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[quote name='MSUHitman']Wait, the Circuit City ad claims Blood Diamond is coming out on HD-DVD this week. Is that a misprint?[/QUOTE]

Looks like it, IIRC they announced it awhile ago only to later yank it from that release date and with the ads being printed a month or two in advance it ends up a misprint.
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']Wait, the Circuit City ad claims Blood Diamond is coming out on HD-DVD this week. Is that a misprint?[/QUOTE]

It was delayed on HD DVD because Warner wants to release it simultaneously with the Blu-Ray version - but BD-J isnt fully operational yet, therefore both are delayed due to Blu-Ray. :/
 
[quote name='Ruined']It was delayed on HD DVD because Warner wants to release it simultaneously with the Blu-Ray version - but BD-J isnt fully operational yet, therefore both are delayed due to Blu-Ray. :/[/QUOTE]

Yup. HD-DVD gets shafted thanks to Blu-Ray. Not only that, get ready for this to be a TotalHD version with an MSRP of over $40!
 
Do you two actaully have some actual confirmation of this (e.g. something official, not some random forum post)? After googling it for about 15 mins, I never saw anykind of official announcment of it's release date besides retailer postings, let alone anything official for this mysterious Blu-ray is ruining it theory.

I ask because I remember the same thing happening for Black Dahlia on HD-DVD, everyone went on a rumored announcment expecting it to hit same day as SD version was released, yet it had mysteriously vanished from retailers just before that day (and for obvious reasons that had nothing to do with Blu-ray).
 
Also, does anyone have a date for when/if the Digital Video Essentials HD-DVD will be out and whether out not it'll be a combo (this is the one situation I want it to be a combo)? I'm still using the old disc from 2000 or whatever that works well, but with new formats of auido & video content out, a new HD player, a pretty new TV, and a soon to be new receiver at home I'd like to have something more up-to-date.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Do you two actaully have some actual confirmation of this (e.g. something official, not some random forum post)? After googling it for about 15 mins, I never saw anykind of official announcment of it's release date besides retailer postings, let alone anything official for this mysterious Blu-ray is ruining it theory.

I ask because I remember the same thing happening for Black Dahlia on HD-DVD, everyone went on a rumored announcment expecting it to hit same day as SD version was released, yet it had mysteriously vanished from retailers just before that day (and for obvious reasons that had nothing to do with Blu-ray).[/QUOTE]

Check AVS, its been posted a few times directly from Warner that they will only due HD/BR on the same day from now on (until TotalHD hits obviously). Since the Blu-Java is not up to par yet they won't release them, thereby making the HD counterpart delayed.

As for Black Dahlia, it was never officially announced and Best Buy ran that ad as a misprint.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Check AVS, its been posted a few times directly from Warner that they will only due HD/BR on the same day from now on (until TotalHD hits obviously). Since the Blu-Java is not up to par yet they won't release them, thereby making the HD counterpart delayed.

As for Black Dahlia, it was never officially announced and Best Buy ran that ad as a misprint.[/QUOTE]

AVS is great for the ins and outs of how things work, but it's still full of rumors like any other forum. When I specified not a forum that's what I meant. Regardless, I stick to my belief that Warner's just stalling for time and holding back bigger titles (note this situation occured after Blood Diamond garnered a couple Oscar nods) to help propel TotalHD when they launch it this summer. That's just a rumor too, but just don't color me suprised if Blood Diamond or titles like are among one the eariler TotalHD titles. Also after the google search I was curious if there was ever an official date annoucnment from Warner regarding Blood Diamond or just retailer listings/ 3rd party release lists for the 20th?
 
Well, to let you all know if you have a CompUSA in your area that is closing they are clearancing out all of their DVDs including HD-DVD and they are at 20% at the moment.
 
[quote name='cdeener']Well, to let you all know if you have a CompUSA in your area that is closing they are clearancing out all of their DVDs including HD-DVD and they are at 20% at the moment.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, my brother goes to college in Columbus and I know they are closing some over there. Not living near one though I have to ask, what are their normal prices usually, like $25-30 range?
 
They didn't have many in my area. Four of em' in total. "The Sting", "Phantom Of the Opera", "The Last Samurai" and "The Mummy Returns".
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Interesting, my brother goes to college in Columbus and I know they are closing some over there. Not living near one though I have to ask, what are their normal prices usually, like $25-30 range?[/quote]The CompUSA closing by my work didn't have much of a selection. But I did pick up Phantom of the Opera, which retailed at $19.99, and at 20%, got it for $15.99.
 
Shit, I need to get over to the CompUSAs near me. I've been meaning to see if there's anything left (not HD-DVDs, just stuff I'd want in general). This will probably be the incentive to actually get me over there.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Universal seems like it might drop their HD-DVD/DVD combo discs. :bouncy:


http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disc_Announcements/Universal/Universal_Announces_Mega-Wave_of_HD_DVD_Catalog_for_June/522


The above quote is in reference to their June announced titles.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know there are still some slated to be coming out over the next several months, but they have really reduced the number of combos (especially considering how they were suggesting they would ALL be combos in January). Looks like they are leaning towards phasing them out, which can only be a good thing.

Also, it looks like they are starting to move towards finally taking advantage of the internet connectivity features - see here. I've been waiting for this to start up for a while, and while this is just scratching the surface, there are certainly a million different directions they could go with this concept. It's not going to "win the war" (and i'm so fucking tired of that phrase), but it's definitely a nice perk of the format.
 
How will the ONLINE HD-DVD interact with the 360? Will it work the same since most 360 owners have their 360's connected to the Internet.
 
[quote name='doubledown']How will the ONLINE HD-DVD interact with the 360? Will it work the same since most 360 owners have their 360's connected to the Internet.[/QUOTE]
I'd certainly assume so. They might have to release a firmware update for the player over Live or something, but no big deal.
 
New HD-DVD Newsletter

If you look at some of the press releases flying around lately, you'd think that HD DVD is ready to pack up our tent and go home. Suffice to say, we're not goin' anywhere.

But what about the Nielsen numbers you might ask? What about the "independent" research reports, the subjective customer surveys and the fact that it's the Chinese Year of Pig? What does it all mean?

It's all in how you look at the data. And while you might not believe our marketing spin over someone else's, here's our take on the numbers:

Right now, overall movie sales to date for each format are roughly equal. Some see that as Blu-ray catching up and "winning." But look a bit farther and you will see that Blu-ray has a 5:1 hardware ratio over HD DVD right now due to sales of the PlayStation 3. That means five times as many players on the market. But if that's the case, why aren't their movie sales outpacing HD DVD by a similar ratio?

We'll let you speculate on that one. In fact, it's the opposite - every HD DVD owner out there is buying five times as many movies per player. That's huge! We'll take that kind of devoted consumer any day.

Yes, we know - our anecdotes versus theirs. But the real message here is don't believe everything you read – try it out on your own. Kick the tires. Check the prices. See if we're offering what we say we are. And as always, you can go to www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com for the latest news and updates.

An Article...
Toshiba isn’t too happy about Sony claiming victory in the HD format wars. Deputy General Manager of HD DVD at Toshiba, Olivier Van Wynendaele, has stated the claims made by Blu-Ray backers are “propaganda”. Wynendaele has picked apart each claim and makes a sound argument for each point.

The Blu-Ray Disc Association stated last week that their format was outselling HD 3:1 in the US. Wynendaele argues that PS3 owners are to blame for this and it’s not because they’re purchasing discs. They’re simply redeeming vouchers for free Blu-Ray discs from Sony. He also states that Toshiba has sold 200,000 HD DVD players in the US compared to the 30,000 Blu-Ray players that have been sold. Wynendaele believes PS3 sales shouldn’t be counted in the tally because there is no guarantee that they are purchasing Blu-Ray discs for themselves or that they’re even going to watch Blu-Ray discs at all. In all fairness, neither format can claim victory because HD players don’t have enough market share, less than 1%, and Wynendaele agrees.

What about the price cuts and cheaper Blu-Ray players expected to show up by the end of the year from Sony? Toshiba seems to have an answer for this as well. They’re taking a page from Wal-Mart’s playbook and plan to undercut Sony at all costs. Maybe the war isn’t over yet.

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Toshiba has rejected claims made yesterday at a Blu-ray press conference at CeBIT that its own HD DVD format is failing. Olivier Van Wynendaele, Deputy General manager of HD DVD at Toshiba Ltd said the claims were "propaganda" and then proceeded to dispute them point by point in a call to tech.co.uk

Last Thursday Blu-ray Disc Association chairman Frank Simonis said that Blu-ray discs were now out-selling HD DVDs by 3:1 in the US - a claim Van Wynendaele disputes.

Van Wynendaele argues that the reason for the disparity is that new owners of PlayStation 3 games console are simply redeeming free Blu-ray movie vouchers given to them by Sony that they have to exchange at retail stores - this is distorting genuine sales figures, according to Van Wynendaele.

He counter-claimed by declaring that Toshiba had sold 200,00 HD DVD players in the US, compared to just 30,000 true Blu-ray players. Van Wynendaele said that the two million PS3 sales could not be counted because there was no guarantee that people who were buying the consoles were: a) choosing to buy movies with their own money; or b) actually watching Blu-ray movies at all - the vast majority could be using the PS3 to play games on, for example. The truth is, he said, that neither format could claim victory when high def player sales accounted for less than 1% of regular DVD player sales - in the US at least.
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You drop your prices, we'll drop them lower

Van Wynendaele also said that Toshiba's player pricing strategy would still put its HD DVD format at an advantage when compared to Blu-ray. He said Sony's decision to offer a lower-priced player later in the year would be undercut by Toshiba.

He also said the company's own research had confirmed that even at £450, many people still believe HD format players to be too expensive when compared to the bargain basement prices offered by supermarkets on DVD players. Toshiba launched a £449 1080p HD DVD player - the HD-EP10 - last week. Blu-ray players currently sell for around £1,000.

You can read part 2 of tech.co.uk's interview with Van Wynendaele later today...
 
Starting April 1st the HD-A2 will have a retail of $399.99 (with 5 free mail-away movies). The HD-A20 (1080p) will be $499.99.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Starting April 1st the HD-A2 will have a retail of $399.99 (with 5 free mail-away movies). The HD-A20 (1080p) will be $499.99.[/QUOTE]

$400 with 5 free movies?!?

That's a steal.

Although, I think its kind of funny that Toshiba was complaining about free movies artificially boosting Sony's numbers and now they're giving away a ton of movies.

I'm glad to see Toshiba is in for the long haul and is ready to really put the fight to Sony.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']$400 with 5 free movies?!?

That's a steal.

Although, I think its kind of funny that Toshiba was complaining about free movies artificially boosting Sony's numbers and now they're giving away a ton of movies.

I'm glad to see Toshiba is in for the long haul and is ready to really put the fight to Sony.[/QUOTE]
$400 for a standalone player w/ 5 free movies, I am considering getting that. That's a good deal, plus there are the HD DVD exclusives that I want. (Clerks 2, Mallrats, Scarface, Carlito's Way(eventually), Lucky Number Slevin, and other Weinstein & Universal movies). But there's till the blu ray exclusives that I want. :wall: :wall: The HD DVD player that's going to be $400 has good upscaling, right?
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Interesting, my brother goes to college in Columbus and I know they are closing some over there. Not living near one though I have to ask, what are their normal prices usually, like $25-30 range?[/QUOTE]

You are correct.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']$400 with 5 free movies?!?

That's a steal.

Although, I think its kind of funny that Toshiba was complaining about free movies artificially boosting Sony's numbers and now they're giving away a ton of movies.

I'm glad to see Toshiba is in for the long haul and is ready to really put the fight to Sony.[/QUOTE]

Mail-Away movies do NOT affect sales figures like Sony's do. They count each T. Nights and Casino Royale as a sale (same with Fifth Element inside Sony BR players). Toshiba does NOT count the free movies as it skews the sales figures.
 
[quote name='anomynous']$400 for a standalone player w/ 5 free movies, I am considering getting that. That's a good deal, plus there are the HD DVD exclusives that I want. (Clerks 2, Mallrats, Scarface, Carlito's Way(eventually), Lucky Number Slevin, and other Weinstein & Universal movies). But there's till the blu ray exclusives that I want. :wall: :wall: The HD DVD player that's going to be $400 has good upscaling, right?[/QUOTE]

For $400 its a steal. Valueelectronics.com has the SAME price RIGHT now with an ADDITIONAL 2 FREE movies of your choice, FREE HDMI Cable, FREE Shipping, and NO TAX (depending where you live). I got my A2 last month with 7 free HD-DVDs for $400 shipped...damn good deal!

Its also one of the best upscaling players you can buy (very close if not better then some $300+ Oppo's).
 
[quote name='gizmogc']For $400 its a steal. Valueelectronics.com has the SAME price RIGHT now with an ADDITIONAL 2 FREE movies of your choice, FREE HDMI Cable, FREE Shipping, and NO TAX (depending where you live). I got my A2 last month with 7 free HD-DVDs for $400 shipped...damn good deal!

Its also one of the best upscaling players you can buy (very close if not better then some $300+ Oppo's).[/QUOTE]
so is the 5 free movies through a mail in rebate?
 
[quote name='anomynous']so is the 5 free movies through a mail in rebate?[/QUOTE]

Correct. You get 5 out of 15 choices. They are not the best by any means, but if you don't like them you can resell them/trade them.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']I'd certainly assume so. They might have to release a firmware update for the player over Live or something, but no big deal.[/QUOTE]

Egh, let's hope not, from evertyhing we've heard so far getting Live content past MS has been a pain in the ass for any third party involved. However, them seemingly being pretty tight with Toshiba should make it easier I'd think.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Say hello to the new Venturer Chinese HD-DVD Player. MSRP and release date is unknown, but expect it to be under $300.

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Any word yet on how the chinese players will react to US features (online updates and content for example)? If they're fully functional and made readily available here in the states that would help HD-DVD immensly I'd think.



Also, does anyone know exactly what the 15 choices are? Amazon's PDF link is failing me somehow. I already bought an HD-A1 from a friend fairly recently but it has a PRP from Best Buy and if I can get a brand new HD-A2 as the replacement my guess is the rebate would be in the box still.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Any word yet on how the chinese players will react to US features (online updates and content for example)? If they're fully functional and made readily available here in the states that would help HD-DVD immensly I'd think.



Also, does anyone know exactly what the 15 choices are? Amazon's PDF link is failing me somehow. I already bought an HD-A1 from a friend fairly recently but it has a PRP from Best Buy and if I can get a brand new HD-A2 as the replacement my guess is the rebate would be in the box still.[/QUOTE]

There is no rebate in the box. Its a mailaway one. I have yet to see any stores with slips for the 5 free, but if you find the one for 3 free its the exact same choices.

http://valueelectronics.com/images/pdf/Toshiba_OnlineRebate.pdf

Warning...thats a PDF file.

I would return the A1 and get the A2 when it drops next week...You should get some cash back and a better, faster machine.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']There is no rebate in the box. Its a mailaway one. I have yet to see any stores with slips for the 5 free, but if you find the one for 3 free its the exact same choices.

http://valueelectronics.com/images/pdf/Toshiba_OnlineRebate.pdf

Warning...thats a PDF file.

I would return the A1 and get the A2 when it drops next week...You should get some cash back and a better, faster machine.[/QUOTE]

Thanks that one worked fine, Amazon's hates me for some reason. Choices are little scarce, category B is gonna be a thorn in my side though as I bought Casablanca and I got Constantine as part of the deal and IMO Duks of Hazard sucked noodles. Ah well.

And the hangups of the A1 haven't bothered me, the start times and such take some getting used to but I like it. However I wonder if they'll honor the rebate though as I'm technically not "purchasing" it in the specified dates? Can't hurt to try though I suppose.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Thanks that one worked fine, Amazon's hates me for some reason. Choices are little scarce, category B is gonna be a thorn in my side though as I bought Casablanca and I got Constantine as part of the deal and IMO Duks of Hazard sucked noodles. Ah well.

And the hangups of the A1 haven't bothered me, the start times and such take some getting used to but I like it. However I wonder if they'll honor the rebate though as I'm technically not "purchasing" it in the specified dates? Can't hurt to try though I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Movie choices are hit and miss...good trade bait I suppose.

PRP should allow you to return it, and rebut the A2...it will still show as a new sale.
 
Check out this email from the official HD-DVD newsletter:

[FONT=Lucida Grande, Tahoma, sans-serif] If you look at some of the press releases flying around lately, you'd think that HD DVD is ready to pack up our tent and go home. Suffice to say, we're not goin' anywhere.[/FONT] [FONT=Lucida Grande, Tahoma, sans-serif]But what about the Nielsen numbers you might ask? What about the "independent" research reports, the subjective customer surveys and the fact that it's the Chinese Year of Pig? What does it all mean? [/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande, Tahoma, sans-serif]It's all in how you look at the data. And while you might not believe our marketing spin over someone else's, here's our take on the numbers: [/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande, Tahoma, sans-serif]Right now, overall movie sales to date for each format are roughly equal. Some see that as Blu-ray catching up and "winning." But look a bit farther and you will see that Blu-ray has a 5:1 hardware ratio over HD DVD right now due to sales of the PlayStation 3. That means five times as many players on the market. But if that's the case, why aren't their movie sales outpacing HD DVD by a similar ratio?[/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande, Tahoma, sans-serif]We'll let you speculate on that one. In fact, it's the opposite - every HD DVD owner out there is buying five times as many movies per player. That's huge! We'll take that kind of devoted consumer any day. [/FONT]
[FONT=Lucida Grande, Tahoma, sans-serif]Yes, we know - our anecdotes versus theirs. But the real message here is don't believe everything you read – try it out on your own. Kick the tires. Check the prices. See if we're offering what we say we are. And as always, you can go to www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com for the latest news and updates.
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I like how they're not cocky like Sony.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I like how they're not cocky like Sony.[/QUOTE]

Its BDA! We can't say Sony even though they are the biggest backers according to dpatel.
 
Obviously you'll have to take the thoughts of "the official HD-DVD newsletter" with the source in mind, but even having said that...

They're not really wrong. Yeah, the PS3 is a boost to Blu-Ray, but as most level-headed HD-DVD supporters have said, it's not "already over," and it isn't close to "already over."

I couldn't care less what Blu-Ray is doing. I'll buy a standalone player when they are reasonably priced. I could buy one, but it's just not worth 500-1000 dollars to me to be able to watch movies I can get on DVD in slightly higher resolution. If the 360 add-on was like 400 bucks I wouldn't have bought it. The best thing people "concerned" about HD-DVD could do at this point is just stop whining, continue to buy the movies they want, and tell their friends about it.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']$400 with 5 free movies?!?

That's a steal.

Although, I think its kind of funny that Toshiba was complaining about free movies artificially boosting Sony's numbers and now they're giving away a ton of movies.

I'm glad to see Toshiba is in for the long haul and is ready to really put the fight to Sony.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Blurry']Yes, but Toshiba sends those directly so they don't get counted as sales through the traditional mechanisms and therefore don't affect the statistics. Well, actually they affect the statistics in the sense that they are five less discs that the HD DVD owners are less likely to buy with the result that HD DVD is under-reported.[/QUOTE]


I heart High-Def Digest
 
Today is a good day.

Paramount Home Entertainment has announced four catalog titles that will be released simultaneously on Blu-ray and HD DVD this summer.

'Freedom Writers' starring Scott Glenn and Hilary Swank will be available May 22, 'Hustle & Flow' on June 26, and 'The Untouchables (Special Collector's Edition)' and 'The Warriors (Ultimate Director's Cut)' on July 3. Specifics for each release are not yet available though you can safely assume extras found on the standard DVDs will all be ported over.

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-newsview.php?id=511

Nice to see The Untouchables and The Warriors get the HD treatment.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Mail-Away movies do NOT affect sales figures like Sony's do. They count each T. Nights and Casino Royale as a sale (same with Fifth Element inside Sony BR players). Toshiba does NOT count the free movies as it skews the sales figures.[/QUOTE]

Is there any links or sources to show that they do not count them as movies sold, or are you just assuming?

[quote name='gizmogc']Say hello to the new Venturer Chinese HD-DVD Player. MSRP and release date is unknown, but expect it to be under $300.
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Who? I am not one to buy a product from some no name manufacturer. I think the key will be getting the name brand players that low (which with the amazon sale the A2 is damn close).
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']
Who? I am not one to buy a product from some no name manufacturer. I think the key will be getting the name brand players that low (which with the amazon sale the A2 is damn close).[/QUOTE]

You'd think, but at the same time it makes me think of what I do everyday at work. Trying to talk people out of buying no name consumer electronics simply because they are cheaper. And for some reason most people have their heart set on buying absolute junk just to save a few dollars and you almost can never talk them out of it.
 
Also, in that HD-DVD newsletter they are saying that you pretty much can not count PS3's sold as a sold blu-ray player. That makes me wonder if Toshiba is including the sold 360 HD-DVD drives as part of their numbers. If not that would add quite a bit to their sold numbers, and bring down their theory that HD-DVD owners buy 5 times as many movies as Blu-ray owners.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I'm sticking to my prediction. Toshiba's lowest end player will hit $250 by Christmas.[/quote]

They're gonna need a price drop before that to stay competitive especially with all the "Blu-Ray outsells HD-DVD" news we've been hearing because of the Playstation 3.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']You'd think, but at the same time it makes me think of what I do everyday at work. Trying to talk people out of buying no name consumer electronics simply because they are cheaper. And for some reason most people have their heart set on buying absolute junk just to save a few dollars and you almost can never talk them out of it.[/QUOTE]

This is mostly because consumers have been trained that most brand names will really stick it to them. Sure, they also realize that buying no-name appliances is riskier as far as reliability, but so many people have been burned by paying 2-3x more for a name brand that they quickly learn to take their chances with the cheap.

That combined with the fact that places that often sell a lot of no-name brand stuff have very liberal return policies (walmart). So if it does break, you simply go exchange it.

It also greatly depends on the Consumer Electronics device you are talking about . If it's something generally considered a luxary item, most low-income people can't justify paying extra for brand name, because they already feel guilty buying something they really don't need.
 
Should I not even bother trying to get HD-DVD releases at B&M stores. Should I just try Ebay or other online outlets?

I picked up my HD-DVD 360 Drive today and wanted to get some additional movies out for it.

Target had great prices ($5-10 less than other places I went to) but they had a poor selection. CompUSA had next to nothing on HD-DVD. When I stopped by Best Buy they had an ok selection of HD-DVD stuff but had a TON of stuff on the other side for Blu-Ray. If I was a random consumer I would say to myself..."Gee there are a lot more movies for Blu-Ray, HD-DVD must stink".
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Should I not even bother trying to get HD-DVD releases at B&M stores. Should I just try Ebay or other online outlets?

[/QUOTE]

Have yet to find a very good deal on any HD DVD at BM stores. But then, same goes for DVD.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Should I not even bother trying to get HD-DVD releases at B&M stores. Should I just try Ebay or other online outlets?[/quote]

Definitely stick to online right now. You can get older HD-DVD releases for about $11 shipped on Buy.com using Google Checkout. You can get new releases for around $18 shipped.

The only HD-DVD I purchased at a B&M store was Cinderella Man when it was clearanced at Target and I didn't have any other HD-DVDs.
 
i brought the HD-DVD drive for the 360 a few months ago, i used it maybe 4 times and honestly wasnt greatly impressed and am about to put it back in its box and sell it along with the HD-DVDs since i came across a deal on a PS3.

I decided i will change to blu-ray even though i truly did want to support HD-DVD but it seems that Blu-Ray is getting their act together with the transfers and sound quality...i watched Casino Royale, Ice Age, and Open Season and after that i was very much impressed, now i look forward to Rocky Balboa this week and if that looks as good as i expect it then it will seal the deal for me along with the fact the HD-DVD has NO releases it seems:roll:

Basically i have the PS3 just for Blu-ray (since after i sell my HD-dvd drive and with the already discounted price i will have ended up spending around $150 for it) and since my time that i have for gaming is used up by my 360 it made the desicion to switch from HD to BR that much harder*

*im tired so this may or may not make sense;)
 
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