HD DVD thread - Toshiba: HD DVD DISCONTINUED, REPAIR/SUPPORT CONTINUES, NO BLU PLANS

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[quote name='anomynous']people, stop w/ the blu ray/UMD comparisons. Blu Ray has a LOT more support than UMD did[/QUOTE]
Every single major movie studio supported UMD, Universal included...
 
[quote name='anomynous']people, stop w/ the blu ray/UMD comparisons. Blu Ray has a LOT more support than UMD did[/QUOTE]

Dude every studio supported Blu-Ray, even Universal. It failed. The only UMDs still be produced is Sony...which is typical of them.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']man who owns rights to original tmnt movies.. they need to release those on hd now!!!![/quote]

Warner. which means its comin to HD-DVD in VC-1 glory :D
 
yes, they supported UMD w/ $30 movies, and shitty movies at that. Not to mention Blu Ray is a part of the PS3, which no matter how its selling, it puts blu ray players in homes
 
[quote name='anomynous']yes, they supported UMD w/ $30 movies, and shitty movies at that. Not to mention Blu Ray is a part of the PS3, which no matter how its selling, it puts blu ray players in homes[/QUOTE]

Keep searching. There's more PSPs out there than PS3s and the only studio to release $30 UMD movies was Disney.
 
[quote name='anomynous']yes, they supported UMD w/ $30 movies, and shitty movies at that. Not to mention Blu Ray is a part of the PS3, which no matter how its selling, it puts blu ray players in homes[/QUOTE]

Most UMDs sold for $19.99 - $24.99.
UMD was, well, part of PSP. Blu-Ray is part of PS3. Whats the point here? Quick to forget BetaMax and MiniDisc, eh?
 
So, what on everybody's purchasing wish-list?

Mine is:

Currently out:
Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas
Land Of The Dead
Training Day
The World's Fastest Indian

Imports:
Terminator 2
Total Recall

Upcoming releases:
A Scanner Darkly
Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
Planet Earth: The Complete BBC Series
The Big Lebowski
Lost In Translation
Shaun Of The Dead
Hot Fuzz

ETA:
2001: A Space Odyssey
Band of Brothers
A Clockwork Orange
Dawn of the Dead
The Dirty Harry Collection
Forrest Gump
Friday
Grind House
Psycho
The Shining
Sin City 2

I only own King Kong and the Nine Inch Nails HD-DVD so far.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Most UMDs sold for $19.99 - $24.99.
UMD was, well, part of PSP. Blu-Ray is part of PS3. Whats the point here? Quick to forget BetaMax and MiniDisc, eh?[/QUOTE]

so there are no standalone blu ray players? :roll:



There were no standalone UMD players, so get out of here with the UMD/Blu Ray comparison


Blu Ray is not on the same path as UMD & betamax. If it was, it would be getting outsold by HD DVD. But it's not, it's outselling HD DVD.

And did you forget about the Compact Disk, 3.5" Floppy Disks, & Digital Audio Tapes?

And don't bring up porn, it's allowed on blu ray, and it's not a factor anymore. It was during VHS/Betamax, because the internet was not around.
 
I just bought a 50" Samsung Plasma, and I now see a night and day difference between HD and DVD. On my old CRT tv, the HD DVDs looked great, but now... Damn. They're so much better than DVDs that I really don't want to watch standard DVDs. I only own King Kong and the NIN DVD, but I'm gonna have to pick up a couple more.

I hope to hell they follow through with the LOTR discs.
 
[quote name='anomynous']Blu Ray is not on the same path as UMD & betamax. If it was, it would be getting outsold by HD DVD. But it's not, it's outselling HD DVD.

And did you forget about the Compact Disk, 3.5" Floppy Disks, & Digital Audio Tapes?[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck. No shit. First reasonable post I've read on the subject.

The fact that this needs to even be mentioned in this discussion is fucking riddiculous.

And don't forget Compact Cassette and DVD.
 
no, BR PROPRIETARY like UMD, MiniDisc and BetaMax. on CD/DVD/floppy sony was only a small part in LARGE cooperations (almost always involving the same companies which were behind HD-DVD as well). its when sony made their own propietary format & tried to control it when it failed. its evident to this day where they require region coding, AACS (soon to also BD+) & are using heavy handed tactics to get studios to lean away from VC-1. Warner's the only one who's having none of it. This is evident by many dual format releases that appear in VC-1 on HD-DVD and MPEG-2 on BR.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']no, BR PROPRIETARY like UMD, MiniDisc and BetaMax. on CD/DVD/floppy sony was only a small part in LARGE cooperations (almost always involving the same companies which were behind HD-DVD as well). its when sony made their own propietary format & tried to control it when it failed. its evident to this day where they require region coding, AACS (soon to also BD+) & are using heavy handed tactics to get studios to lean away from VC-1. Warner's the only one who's having none of it. This is evident by many dual format releases that appear in VC-1 on HD-DVD and MPEG-2 on BR.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. It seems alot of people above fail to recognize MiniDisc was a Sony, as well as BetaMax.
 
[quote name='anomynous']so there are no standalone blu ray players? :roll:
There were no standalone UMD players, so get out of here with the UMD/Blu Ray comparison.[/QUOTE]

Yes, there is. They are $800 MSRP. UMD was still selling VERY VERY well when PSP launched due to lack of games, much like the PS3. Once games arrived UMDs slipped and died. I expect this to happen with Blu-Ray to some extent. Blu-Ray will not die like UMD did, but it will not retain such high sales when games are available.

Blu Ray is not on the same path as UMD & betamax. If it was, it would be getting outsold by HD DVD. But it's not, it's outselling HD DVD..

In the past 2 months it has. Not the 6-8 months prior. Frequent Buy 1 Get 1 Free and Amazons sale has helped.

And did you forget about the Compact Disk, 3.5" Floppy Disks, & Digital Audio Tapes?.

Sony was not alone with the inception of these formats. This was supported by many different companys.


And don't bring up porn, it's allowed on blu ray, and it's not a factor anymore. It was during VHS/Betamax, because the internet was not around.

I agree with that. However HD porn will be nice. Girls Gone Wild HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.....mmmmmm.....

Can we start a seperate thread somewhere if we are going to do a BR VS. HD discussion? This is for HD software discussion only. I am using the current BR thread in the PS3 forums since it seems directed for this type of discussion.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']
Can we start a seperate thread somewhere if we are going to do a BR VS. HD discussion? This is for HD software discussion only. I am using the current BR thread in the PS3 forums since it seems directed for this type of discussion.[/QUOTE]

Its pretty obvious that anonymous came in here just to "stir the pot" and troll a little bit :roll: so I don't think a seperate thread would have made any difference.

I mean just like at how his argument has changed. First it was that blu ray had more support than UMD, we debunked that, then it was that they were selling more and offered stand-alone players, blah blah blah, the guy's just looking for an argument.
 
[quote name='gizmogic']Sony was not alone with the inception of these formats. [/QUOTE] thank you for proving my point. Sony isnt alone on the inception of blu ray. They didnt even have the first blu ray player out. Blu Ray wasnt ever a Sony only format. They had help from other companies. Blu Ray is hardly proprietary. A lot of companies make blu ray movies, and a lot make blu ray players. BTW Im not a troll, Im stating facts, and my opinions.
 
I'm so goddamn sick of coming into HD-DVD threads and having it turned into a pissing match between losers that take shit too seriously.
 
[quote name='anomynous']But its ok when Gizmogic comes into threads in the PS3 forum trolling?[/QUOTE]

Where did I say that I condone all of his posts? There's one key difference, though, he's criticizing a format which he has purchased and is trying to support whereas you made it very clear in another thread that you have no interest in HD-DVD hence no reason to even view this thread.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Yes, there is. They are $800 MSRP. UMD was still selling VERY VERY well when PSP launched due to lack of games, much like the PS3. Once games arrived UMDs slipped and died. I expect this to happen with Blu-Ray to some extent. Blu-Ray will not die like UMD did, but it will not retain such high sales when games are available.[/quote]
EXACTLY

its like Tom Sawyer & Ben Rogers. Sony's Tom Sawyer, they got you to buy the PS3 at $600 when there were almost no decent games for it. combined w/ 50% off or 2 for 1 sales for BR discs non-stop.

http://www.pbs.org/marktwain/learnmore/writings_tom.html
  • Sony hypes up how much fun it is to whitewash the fence.
  • Gamers whitewash the fence for Sony (buy PS3 @ $600)
  • Gamers need some reinforcing reason to their early purchase. they buy movies because of sales. Limiting Freedom principle (any1 in psych/marketing will know what im talking about)
"for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." - Ken Kutaragi

Sony touts BR sales & says "The war's over" (even though all players out now barely account for 1% of the amount that will be out when standalone players reach the $200 mark)
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'] you made it very clear in another thread that you have no interest in HD-DVD hence no reason to even view this thread.[/QUOTE]
But I do have interest in HD DVD. The first HD format player I buy will be the one that has the most movies that interest me, which is Blu Ray. I will buy the 360 add on when theres a good sale on it. And what thread did I say this in?
 
[quote name='anomynous']thank you for proving my point. Sony isnt alone on the inception of blu ray. They didnt even have the first blu ray player out. Blu Ray wasnt ever a Sony only format. They had help from other companies. Blu Ray is hardly proprietary. A lot of companies make blu ray movies, and a lot make blu ray players. BTW Im not a troll, Im stating facts, and my opinions.[/QUOTE]

Fun fact - Sony's own BR player was delayed from launch due to 'issues'. Many think its because of the PS3.

Sony is the BIGGEST supporter of Blu-Ray, and you might as well just call it Sony vs. Universal.

You have nothing really to add since its pretty tough for you to even make full sentences. "alot of companties make blu-ray movies', Yes, congrats. Alot of STUDIOS make Blu-Ray movies...can you name some of them? Or are you just going by what the weekly Best Buy ad told you?
 
Stop with the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD bullshit. This thread is about HD-DVD software discussion.

anomynous, stop posting in this thread. It's very clear that you are interested in doing nothing but creating arguments in this thread.
 
[quote name='anomynous']But its ok when Gizmogic comes into threads in the PS3 forum trolling?[/QUOTE]

"Trolling"? I own a PS3. I own 20 Blu-Ray movies. I have every right to come into the PS3 forum and state my opinion on the subject. You don't even OWN a PS3, nor a Blu-Ray player or an HD-Player. You, actually, would be the troll on both counts.

Look at the current thread about Blu-Ray on the PS3 Forum:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130694

This is in the OP
"Alison Casey, who analyzes consumer trends for London-based Understanding & Solutions, predicts that retailers will pull the plug on HD DVD sometime next year."

I didn't go into that thread going 'Blu-Ray sucks! All the movies suck! Sony blows. Its so gay and lame". I went in their with my opinion, some facts on both BR/HD sides, and am actually have a discussion with several members there. YOUR posts are nothing but a fanboy who doesn't even own either format.
 
How am I a fanboy? Because out of the 2 Blu Ray interests me more? And I know HD DVD does some stuff better than blu ray. And BTW I own The Departed on HD DVD.
 
this constant bs is gay....

i own both and still prefer hd over br....hope they can make a comeback..if not o well....its not the end of the world
 
[quote name='guyver2077']this constant bs is gay....

i own both and still prefer hd over br....hope they can make a comeback..if not o well....its not the end of the world[/QUOTE]

Even if that does happen my HD player will still work and there will be some AWESOME Clearance sales! :cool:

Sad thing is, there is nothing until March 27th. Its gonna be a SLOW month for me, on all 3 formats!
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Even if that does happen my HD player will still work and there will be some AWESOME Clearance sales! :cool:

Sad thing is, there is nothing until March 27th. Its gonna be a SLOW month for me, on all 3 formats![/QUOTE]
I agree w/ you there, for whatever format ends up losing, there will be AWESOME clearance deals. And I will be supporting both BR & HD.
 
I can't fathom any scenario in which HD DVD just stops getting any releases and is declared dead like UMD. Not in the next 5 years anyway. And by that time, combo players should be cheap.

Even in the worst case scenario, and HD DVD manages to spin into a fiery death, mark my words: You will see HD DVD players become the defacto piracy device in demand. Because of a little known thing called 3X. It's only a matter of time before Bluray disks are getting ripped en masse and transcoded to smaller manageable file sizes, and guess which player pirates will prefer?

My point is, there is life forever in HD DVD format. One might say, if one were so inclined, that even if HD DVD tanks, they'll still enjoy the shit out of their pirated/transcoded bluray movies :) I actually fantasize that 3X was included in the HD DVD standard as a last "fuck YOU!" to Sony and their assholish ways if they win.
 
That Planet Earth show.... is that the one I keep seeing mass advertising for on Discovery and even in the movie theater? That looks really good (I am buying the Discovery Atlas, they are awesome). If it is that one, how in the hell are they releasing it so soon when it hasn't even aired on TV yet?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']That Planet Earth show.... is that the one I keep seeing mass advertising for on Discovery and even in the movie theater? That looks really good (I am buying the Discovery Atlas, they are awesome). If it is that one, how in the hell are they releasing it so soon when it hasn't even aired on TV yet?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

It's coming out on DVD already because it was created by the BBC and was aired March-December 2006 over in the UK.

The American verison is going to be played in a different order and was redubbed by Sigourney Weaver.

Thankfully, the DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray will be the uncut original UK episodes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(TV_series)
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I can't fathom any scenario in which HD DVD just stops getting any releases and is declared dead like UMD. Not in the next 5 years anyway. And by that time, combo players should be cheap.

Even in the worst case scenario, and HD DVD manages to spin into a fiery death, mark my words: You will see HD DVD players become the defacto piracy device in demand. Because of a little known thing called 3X. It's only a matter of time before Bluray disks are getting ripped en masse and transcoded to smaller manageable file sizes, and guess which player pirates will prefer?

My point is, there is life forever in HD DVD format. One might say, if one were so inclined, that even if HD DVD tanks, they'll still enjoy the shit out of their pirated/transcoded bluray movies :) I actually fantasize that 3X was included in the HD DVD standard as a last "fuck YOU!" to Sony and their assholish ways if they win.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why someone would RIP a Blu-Ray movie and reduce the quality. Isn't the whole reason to have Blu-Ray is FOR the quality. If you want to rip a movie, just get the DVD. I know the Blu-Ray rip would still be better...but kinda defeats the purpose.

I still cannot see HD-DVD succeding, unless they get some more studio backing.
 
[quote name='doubledown']I don't know why someone would RIP a Blu-Ray movie and reduce the quality. Isn't the whole reason to have Blu-Ray is FOR the quality. If you want to rip a movie, just get the DVD. I know the Blu-Ray rip would still be better...but kinda defeats the purpose.

I still cannot see HD-DVD succeding, unless they get some more studio backing.[/QUOTE]

By reduced quality I mean 720p instead of 1080p. Essentially what you have on Xbox Video marketplace quality. Which is fine by me. (Most of us are watching our HD and Bluray movies in 720p/1080i anyway)

As far as studio support, we are really only missing Disney, Sony, and Fox exclusive support IN AMERICA. A lot of movies (except for Disney) are released on HD DVD elsewhere in the world. The US market isn't the only one that counts.

I also think HD DVD's cheaper production costs will support indie film making for some time to come.

Edit: Another thing hurting bluray more and more is their use of region encoding. Which pisses off most of the world. Hd DVD, so far, are all region-less releases.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']By reduced quality I mean 720p instead of 1080p. Essentially what you have on Xbox Video marketplace quality. Which is fine by me. (Most of us are watching our HD and Bluray movies in 720p/1080i anyway)

As far as studio support, we are really only missing Disney, Sony, and Fox exclusive support IN AMERICA. A lot of movies (except for Disney) are released on HD DVD elsewhere in the world. The US market isn't the only one that counts.

I also think HD DVD's cheaper production costs will support indie film making for some time to come.

Edit: Another thing hurting bluray more and more is their use of region encoding. Which pisses off most of the world. Hd DVD, so far, are all region-less releases.[/QUOTE]

In Europe I believe this will start to become more of an issue with Blu-Ray since they're in a different region then us. With BR here this is less of an issue since we share regions with most of Asia including Hong Kong. Europe however is region 2 and as much as some BR people try to argue that the issue is mute because Sony's existing catalog releases will be region free and most BR's will be region free I would argue otherwise. Consider Sony says after a year when said movie comes out it will be region free but tell me would you rather buy the movie in 5 months from when it's released in it's home territory or 10-11 months in your own after they release it later there then it hits BR. Consider for Europe this is usually the case unless the movie is released simultaneously worldwide. When I say this is the case I mean for American movies.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']In Europe I believe this will start to become more of an issue with Blu-Ray since they're in a different region then us. With BR here this is less of an issue since we share regions with most of Asia including Hong Kong. Europe however is region 2 and as much as some BR people try to argue that the issue is mute because Sony's existing catalog releases will be region free and most BR's will be region free I would argue otherwise. Consider Sony says after a year when said movie comes out it will be region free but tell me would you rather buy the movie in 5 months from when it's released in it's home territory or 10-11 months in your own after they release it later there then it hits BR. Consider for Europe this is usually the case unless the movie is released simultaneously worldwide. When I say this is the case I mean for American movies.[/QUOTE]

Well right. That's what I meant. Americans could give two shits about region coding on BD for the most part. But the rest of the world, from what I'm reading, is not too happy about BD's region tactics when HD DVD doesn't have any.

I'm merely saying this is a factor often not discussed when people say bluray is doing so well.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Well right. That's what I meant. Americans could give two shits about region coding on BD for the most part. But the rest of the world, from what I'm reading, is not too happy about BD's region tactics when HD DVD doesn't have any.

I'm merely saying this is a factor often not discussed when people say bluray is doing so well.[/QUOTE]

I can't wait till I get my import copy of 'The Graduate' in a few weeks.
 
Finally got around to checking the release list on the hidef digest forum and at least there are a couple of new titles in there I didn't see with release dates before. Will be getting Scanner Darkly, but the rest don't interest me enough to buy...even the newer stuff like Dreamgirls and Alpha Dog. Seeing such a sparse crop of titles is certainly discouraging when Blu-Ray movies are shooting out left and right. Oh well, I figure I'll end up getting a PS3 some day, so I'll just take what I can get for now.
 
[quote name='gunm']Finally got around to checking the release list on the hidef digest forum and at least there are a couple of new titles in there I didn't see with release dates before. Will be getting Scanner Darkly, but the rest don't interest me enough to buy...even the newer stuff like Dreamgirls and Alpha Dog. Seeing such a sparse crop of titles is certainly discouraging when Blu-Ray movies are shooting out left and right. Oh well, I figure I'll end up getting a PS3 some day, so I'll just take what I can get for now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it seems like every day I check it there's more release dates announced.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Yeah, it seems like every day I check it there's more release dates announced.[/QUOTE]

Really.

I'm just glad that most of the announcements are of actual good movies instead of shovel crap.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']A Scanner Darkly = good or shit?[/QUOTE]

Amazing visually, pretty good story wise but it's kind of drags in the middle.

Worth a rental alone for the picture and the ending.

The upscaled DVD looked like a painting. I can only imagine how awesome the HD-DVD version will look.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Amazing visually, pretty good story wise but it's kind of drags in the middle.

Worth a rental alone for the picture and the ending.

The upscaled DVD looked like a painting. I can only imagine how awesome the HD-DVD version will look.[/QUOTE]

I loved this movie. I'm definitely picking it up when it releases. Great story, great visuals and great acting by the 'probably' stoned cast (Keanu, Woody, Winona and Downey Jr?)
 
Some more news, that correlates with what I was saying before about Europe (and the rest of the world) having a much different experience than the US with HD formats.

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjQ1MTgsLCxobmV3cywsLDE=

HD-DVD Leads Blu-ray In Europe

In the continuing next-gen DVD format war, it looks as though HD-DVD leads Blu-ray in Europe by a whopping 85% - 15%. The PS3 is set to launch at the end of the month over there which should help the Blu-ray format, depending on how well the console sells.

Toshiba, mainly through its US$499 HD-E1 HD DVD player, accounted for an 85% market share of next-generation blue-laser optical disc drives/players/recorders sold in Europe in January of this year, according to industry sources in Taiwan.

The reports on next-gen DVD formats is getting a bit ridiculous. Last month we heard how, according to Nielsen VideoScan numbers, Blu-ray was beating HD-DVD in the next-gen DVD war. Buried in the report was the fact that, in January, the only HD movies released that month were on Blu-ray. The month before, HD-DVD was the clear “winner.”
 
it is awfully expensive to buy in europe, I wonder how the ps3 will do there. IMO it won't really change the format war in europe in the near future
 
Wait a second. What the hell happened to Blood Diamond? I was SO looking forward to buying that on HD DVD.

I went to go look for preorders and it appears it isn't coming out on the 20th with the DVD and nobody seems to know when it is coming out. Anyone know what's going on?
 
Looks like it's import time

French HD DVD Releases

Warner Home Video (France) has announced Le Prestige (The Prestige) on HD DVD, June 6. The HD DVD will contain Dolby Digital-Plus audio tracks. The bonus materials are expected to be presented in high-definition. English [SDH], French, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Spanish, Finnish, German [SDH] & Dutch subtitles are provided.

http://hddvdformat.blogspot.com/
 
I posted this in the dvd forum, but I'd figure I post it here too cause it might be good for us with HD DVD

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/

Warner continued to promote its Total HD Blu-ray/HD DVD combo format at this week's IRMA Forum, indicating that initial limited-capacity discs could be ready for market as early as this June.


Unveiled back in January at CES, Warner's Total HD format is the studio's proposed solution to the ongoing next-gen format war, offering a Blu-ray version on one side of the disc, and an HD DVD versionnon the other. The studio has said that the combo discs would be compatible with all Blu-ray and HD DVD players, and would retail for little more than current single-format releases.


At IRMA, representatives from Cinram, one of the manufacturers co-developing Total HD with Warner, outlined capacities and proposed ready-to-market dates for the highly-anticipated combo format.
The reps said that discs with a 15GB HD DVD on one side and a 25GB Blu-ray on the other will be ready to ship by June. They said that that initial release would be followed by a higher-capacity HD DVD 30GB/Blu-ray 25GB in August.


The group offered no timetable for a full-capacity HD DVD 30GB/Blu-ray 50GB version. This could prove to be a short-term liability for Blu-ray and/or Warner, limiting all Total HD-supporting distributors to 25GB Blu-ray releases only.


At press time, Warner has not yet announced titles or street dates for its first Total HD releases, which were previously expected to hit stores in early fall.


No other studios (besides Warner and its subsidiaries) have yet announced plans to support Total HD.


The 37th Annual International Recording Media Association (IRMA) Forum was held yesterday in Los Angeles, California.
 
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