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[quote name='guyver2077']ill wait for that review of prestige..if its good i may just make it my first import..

any word how long amazon uk takes to get a movie over here? i have a gift certificate so hopefully i can use it in the uk store[/QUOTE]

I would just go with Xploited Cinema since they are based in America but according to Amazon.co.uk

- Airmail delivery time is 5-7 days, so if you order an item with 24-hour availability you should receive it 6-8 days after placing your order.
- Priority Express delivery time is 1-2 days, so if you order an item with 24-hour availability you should receive it 3-4 days after placing your order.
 
From what I've seen thus of the Terminator discs, disc 1 (the theatrical cut) has significantly better picture quality over the director's cut. Interestingly enough, I think the audio on the director's cut is somehow better than the theatrical cut.

Not being able to remove the French subtitles from the first disc is a bit of a bummer, but the quality more than makes up for it.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']nice pickups Sporadic. I really want that Muholland Dr. HD-DVD, but I want to make sure I pick up Le Pacte De Loups first.

did anyone pickup...

Lost In Translation
The Frighteners
Dragonheart

I really want to pick those up, but I'd be douple-dipping on two of them. I just want to make sure the PQ quality is well worth buying titles over again.

I also should be getting my Complete Matrix HD-DVD collection next week, so I'm super excited about that. :)[/QUOTE]

I got Frighteners, should be in my mailbox early next week.
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']From what I've seen thus of the Terminator discs, disc 1 (the theatrical cut) has significantly better picture quality over the director's cut. Interestingly enough, I think the audio on the director's cut is somehow better than the theatrical cut.

Not being able to remove the French subtitles from the first disc is a bit of a bummer, but the quality more than makes up for it.[/QUOTE]

At least you can mash the subtitles into the black bar.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']At least you can mash the subtitles into the black bar.[/QUOTE]

True, but it would have been better if you just turn them off entirely.
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']True, but it would have been better if you just turn them off entirely.[/QUOTE]

True but the whole reason they had to do that was due to licensing.

I rather have subtitles then no disc 1 at all.
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']From what I've seen thus of the Terminator discs, disc 1 (the theatrical cut) has significantly better picture quality over the director's cut. Interestingly enough, I think the audio on the director's cut is somehow better than the theatrical cut.

Not being able to remove the French subtitles from the first disc is a bit of a bummer, but the quality more than makes up for it.[/QUOTE]


What was that stuff a ways back about the Director's Cut looking better? Is that a different set?
 
[quote name='Deadpool']What was that stuff a ways back about the Director's Cut looking better? Is that a different set?[/QUOTE]

No its the same set.

What the pro reviewers seem to be saying is that the Director's cut looks better because it is a more accurate transfer. If you have an ISF-calibrated set or your set was self-calibrated very well, the Director's cut will look the best.

Reviewers are stating that the Theatrical cut has the colors artifically pumped up and edge enhancement/etc, in an attempt to give it more of a "wow" effect - but at the same time it is inaccurate and on a properly calibrated set the more accurate/neutral director's cut will likely look better. However, some may like the inflated-contrast look of the theatrical cut better.

The Director's Cut was also minted from a newer master meaning it is cleaner as well.

From what I've read, if your gear is all calibrated properly the Director's Cut will look better and more realistic. Also, the Director's Cut is the superior cut of the movie IMO.
 
i was reading the potter uk review.

any word on when warner will release this here and why they havent already? i might as well wait for us release..

also amazon uk also shows prestige still as a preorder..
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i was reading the potter uk review.

any word on when warner will release this here and why they havent already? i might as well wait for us release..

also amazon uk also shows prestige still as a preorder..[/quote]
My guess would be right around when the next movie hits theaters this summer. If not, when the DVD of the new movie hits this Winter.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']My guess would be right around when the next movie hits theaters this summer. If not, when the DVD of the new movie hits this Winter.[/quote]I hope it's soon and it gets some marketing push. The advertising for Matrix was pretty weak, though perhaps being a box set, that kept them from pushing them as much as say, Pirates on Blu-Ray. On the whole, it's been pretty disappointing what little marketing push I've seen for HD-DVD.
 
[quote name='Ruined']No its the same set.

What the pro reviewers seem to be saying is that the Director's cut looks better because it is a more accurate transfer. If you have an ISF-calibrated set or your set was self-calibrated very well, the Director's cut will look the best.

Reviewers are stating that the Theatrical cut has the colors artifically pumped up and edge enhancement/etc, in an attempt to give it more of a "wow" effect - but at the same time it is inaccurate and on a properly calibrated set the more accurate/neutral director's cut will likely look better. However, some may like the inflated-contrast look of the theatrical cut better.

The Director's Cut was also minted from a newer master meaning it is cleaner as well.

From what I've read, if your gear is all calibrated properly the Director's Cut will look better and more realistic. Also, the Director's Cut is the superior cut of the movie IMO.[/QUOTE]


Thank you for that.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i was reading the potter uk review.

any word on when warner will release this here and why they havent already? i might as well wait for us release.[/quote]

Nobody knows, unfortunately. By all accounts, the discs sold in the UK were originally destined for the US market. They have the FBI Anti-piracy warning bumper at the beginning of the disc, which some have reported is actually illegal in the UK. No idea why they pulled the US release and shipped those discs overseas, or when it will actually come out here.
 
[quote name='geko29']Nobody knows, unfortunately. By all accounts, the discs sold in the UK were originally destined for the US market. They have the FBI Anti-piracy warning bumper at the beginning of the disc, which some have reported is actually illegal in the UK. No idea why they pulled the US release and shipped those discs overseas, or when it will actually come out here.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be surprised to see it come out in a boxset later this year.

Now if they would only finally release The Shawshank Redemption.
 
since we have importers in this thread, i was wondering where i can go for import reviews..

It doesnt look like hidefdigest regurlarly does import reviews so where do you guys for the scoop.

Thanks
 
[quote name='guyver2077']since we have importers in this thread, i was wondering where i can go for import reviews..

It doesnt look like hidefdigest regurlarly does import reviews so where do you guys for the scoop.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

DVDTalk is starting to do them a little more frequently.

Also you could always check on the AVS or DVDTalk forums, since a lot of people on both import.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']since we have importers in this thread, i was wondering where i can go for import reviews..

It doesnt look like hidefdigest regurlarly does import reviews so where do you guys for the scoop.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

No idea.

I usually just read up on the movie and if I really think it's worth it, dive right in.
 
Disc rot rears its head on Blu-Ray format (The Prestige)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857067

Looks like several copies of "The Prestige" on Blu-Ray are rotting with little specs on the disc, rendering the disc unplayable. Note that most of these users indicate that the discs looked perfectly fine when they first bought them.

On a related note, while any new optical format may be prone to disc rot, hopefully HD DVD will be less susceptible to it since it is based on the proven DVD manufacturing process.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Disc rot rears its head on Blu-Ray format (The Prestige)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857067

Looks like several copies of "The Prestige" on Blu-Ray are rotting with little specs on the disc, rendering the disc unplayable. Note that most of these users indicate that the discs looked perfectly fine when they first bought them.

On a related note, while any new optical format may be prone to disc rot, hopefully HD DVD will be less susceptible to it since it is based on the proven DVD manufacturing process.[/quote]
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[quote name='Ruined']Disc rot rears its head on Blu-Ray format (The Prestige)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857067

Looks like several copies of "The Prestige" on Blu-Ray are rotting with little specs on the disc, rendering the disc unplayable. Note that most of these users indicate that the discs looked perfectly fine when they first bought them.

On a related note, while any new optical format may be prone to disc rot, hopefully HD DVD will be less susceptible to it since it is based on the proven DVD manufacturing process.[/quote]That's odd, I was under the impression that Blu-Rays were less prone to any sort of physical problems since, from what I've read, they have an extra layer that makes them less prone to scratching than HD-DVDs.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']That's odd, I was under the impression that Blu-Rays were less prone to any sort of physical problems since, from what I've read, they have an extra layer that makes them less prone to scratching than HD-DVDs.[/QUOTE]

I was also under the impression that Blu-Rays weren't supposed to rot out or anything because it is by far the superior format and thus immune to any defects/errors.* Hmm... :whistle2:k



* according to all the BR/Sony fanboys.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Disc rot rears its head on Blu-Ray format (The Prestige)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857067

Looks like several copies of "The Prestige" on Blu-Ray are rotting with little specs on the disc, rendering the disc unplayable. Note that most of these users indicate that the discs looked perfectly fine when they first bought them.

On a related note, while any new optical format may be prone to disc rot, hopefully HD DVD will be less susceptible to it since it is based on the proven DVD manufacturing process.[/QUOTE]


Hmmm, I thought this thread was about HD-DVD software. This belongs in the VS. thread. (On a side note my copy of The Prestige on BR has no problems, nor has any other of my 51 titles.)
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']I was also under the impression that Blu-Rays weren't supposed to rot out or anything because it is by far the superior format and thus immune to any defects/errors.* Hmm... :whistle2:k



* according to all the BR/Sony fanboys.[/quote]I'm quite certain HD-DVDs are more prone to scratching though aren't they? That's pretty much what I was trying to get across, but I wouldn't know for sure since I only have HD-DVD.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Where did you guys get it from? I'm kind of scared to go through ebay.[/quote]
Hell no, not eBay.

Check out www.xploitedcinema.com

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HD DVD Drives on all Toshiba laptops in 2008
Apparently hoping to counter the "PS3-effect" on Blu-ray sales, HD DVD backer Toshiba says it plans to put HD DVD drives in all of its laptops in 2008.

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Toshiba Senior Vice President Hisatsugu Nonaka said today at a news conference that all Toshiba laptops will come with HD DVD drives next year. "The demand is there; people want to watch their favorite movies in high-definition on the road," explained Nonaka.

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Of course, Sony's decision to embed Blu-ray drives in its PS3 has been great for Blu-ray (adding 3.6 million installed users), but arguably not-so-great for overall sales of the PS3, which as a result carried a higher pricetag, turning off some would-be buyers. Whether or not Toshiba's laptop sales might suffer the same fate remains to be seen.
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http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Toshiba/Hardware/Toshiba_Plans_HD_DVD_Laptop_Counter-Offensive/679
 
I personally don't care about watching HD-DVDs on the go. The screen is too small for me to care that much. If that raises the price of their laptops a good amount I see that as a bad move.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Where did you guys get it from? I'm kind of scared to go through ebay.[/quote]

When it comes to imports, XploitedCinema is hands down one of the best out there.

I get all of my imports from them.

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On a interesting note, I have my HD-DVD attachment hooked up to my computer and I am ripping Mulholland Drive for screenshot purposes.

Anybody have any request? A specific scene?
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I don't think you can post the one we all want to see. :D[/quote]
Never seen the movie but now I want to see the scene rodeojones903 is talking about.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I don't think you can post the one we all want to see. :D[/quote]

True :)

I know one I am going to take is from the helicopter fly-by of the hollywood sign.
 
Damn it...the US mail lost my Frighteners HD DVD...It says it was delivered to me on Saturday but I was here when the mail came and I didn't get it. Emailing Buy.com now to see what can be done...
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Never seen the movie but now I want to see the scene rodeojones903 is talking about.[/quote]He could probably PM us the link to an upload of the image. I've not seen that movie yet.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']I'm quite certain HD-DVDs are more prone to scratching though aren't they? That's pretty much what I was trying to get across, but I wouldn't know for sure since I only have HD-DVD.[/QUOTE]

HD DVDs are more prone to scratching, but since the data layer where the laser focuses on is deep within the disc, generally those scratches do not affect the focus of the laser (think of looking through a pair of glasses that have some minor scratches and focusing on an object ahead of you - you won't see the scratches becuase your focus is past them!). Also, similarly since the data layer is buried deep scratches will not permananently harm the data layer and worse comes to worse the DVD can be resurfaced for like new playback even when heavily scratched up. So while HD DVD may scratch easier, the scratches affect playback far less.

BD has a hardcoat and is harder to scratch, but since the data layer is so close to the surface (0.1mm IIRC), scratches on BD discs are far more problematic for playback as the focus of the laser is right near the surface. Also, since the data layer is so close to the surface, scratching a BD disc could easily destroy the data layer. No amount of resurfacing or error correction can fix that (not that you could resurface a BD disc anyway due to the proximity of the data layer ot the surface). So though BD discs are harder to scratch, when they do scratch they can become coasters quite easily.
 
[quote name='Ruined']HD DVDs are more prone to scratching, but since the data layer where the laser focuses on is deep within the disc, generally those scratches do not affect the focus of the laser (think of looking through a pair of glasses that have some minor scratches and focusing on an object ahead of you - you won't see the scratches becuase your focus is past them!). Also, similarly since the data layer is buried deep scratches will not permananently harm the data layer and worse comes to worse the DVD can be resurfaced for like new playback even when heavily scratched up. So while HD DVD may scratch easier, the scratches affect playback far less.

BD has a hardcoat and is harder to scratch, but since the data layer is so close to the surface (0.1mm IIRC), scratches on BD discs are far more problematic for playback as the focus of the laser is right near the surface. Also, since the data layer is so close to the surface, scratching a BD disc could easily destroy the data layer. No amount of resurfacing or error correction can fix that (not that you could resurface a BD disc anyway due to the proximity of the data layer ot the surface). So though BD discs are harder to scratch, when they do scratch they can become coasters quite easily.[/quote]See, it's information like that which needs to get out to the masses. I'd like to think I'm more informed than the rest, but I wasn't aware of the sticking point with BDs. Just from media coverage, it seemed like BDs were the tougher of the two medias.

Even sales talk that I've been hearing from various podcasts seem to be inferring, if not saying outright, that Blu-Ray has an insurmountable lead and is likely to be the winner. True or not, Joe Blow hears that and thinks, "Hell, if I'm going next-gen, I'll go with Blu-Ray."

Seems like marketing and upspeak for the HD-DVD side is catered primarily to the tech-savvy and A/V crowd whereas Blu-Ray goes after the rest of the market, either through a more aggressive marketing push (PoTC advertising, new movie release advertisements), or just pushing the bullet points of their products while ignoring less than flattering points (like the one you mentioned about scratchability of their discs).
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']See, it's information like that which needs to get out to the masses. I'd like to think I'm more informed than the rest, but I wasn't aware of the sticking point with BDs. Just from media coverage, it seemed like BDs were the tougher of the two medias.

Even sales talk that I've been hearing from various podcasts seem to be inferring, if not saying outright, that Blu-Ray has an insurmountable lead and is likely to be the winner. True or not, Joe Blow hears that and thinks, "Hell, if I'm going next-gen, I'll go with Blu-Ray."

Seems like marketing and upspeak for the HD-DVD side is catered primarily to the tech-savvy and A/V crowd whereas Blu-Ray goes after the rest of the market, either through a more aggressive marketing push (PoTC advertising, new movie release advertisements), or just pushing the bullet points of their products while ignoring less than flattering points (like the one you mentioned about scratchability of their discs).[/QUOTE]

Actually the issue of disc scratches was covered extensively in the early days of the format war (Bd was even initally in hard cases like Minidiscs to protect scratching, after many concerns TDK created a solution they made for protecting CDs, which have a similar durability), but since the hard coating came about you don't really hear about it now. As for highlighting the bullet points and ignoring the less flattering ones, that's what most corporations call marketing.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']As for highlighting the bullet points and ignoring the less flattering ones, that's what most corporations call marketing.[/quote]Sony's doing a hell of a job with it, unfortunately, coming from an HD-DVD supporter. I wanna see the format get as much push as Blu-Ray.
 
Alright, I'm sold. But, I have some questions about upscaling, the elite and 1080p. Should I ask them here or is there another HD forum here that would be more appropriate?

For example,
We just moved from PGH, PA to Austin, TX and I couldn't take my old WEGA so I bought a new 1080p set. If, I pick up a 360E will it display all the games in 1080p and HD DVDs as well? Coming from a pure 720p resolution to a native 1080p, I'm disappointed in the crispness of the picture when the source material is upscaled from 720p to 1080p through my set. So would an Xbox 360 E help me and my library of games and dvds? And does the HD DVD output at 1080p natively as well? Or is it 720p upscaled. I just don't want to waste the cash.

I guess I just asked all of my questions. Sorry, lol.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']Alright, I'm sold. But, I have some questions about upscaling, the elite and 1080p. Should I ask them here or is there another HD forum here that would be more appropriate?

For example,
We just moved from PGH, PA to Austin, TX and I couldn't take my old WEGA so I bought a new 1080p set. If, I pick up a 360E will it display all the games in 1080p and HD DVDs as well? Coming from a pure 720p resolution to a native 1080p, I'm disappointed in the crispness of the picture when the source material is upscaled from 720p to 1080p through my set. So would an Xbox 360 E help me and my library of games and dvds? And does the HD DVD output at 1080p natively as well? Or is it 720p upscaled. I just don't want to waste the cash.

I guess I just asked all of my questions. Sorry, lol.[/quote]


The HD DVD movies vary in resolution...some don't have 1080p (older HD DVD) and therfore would be upscaled. Most now a days do come in 1080p and you should have no problems with those. The Elite will upscale everything to 1080p and if you don't like the resolution on some games/dvd's, you can always change the settings temporarily for those games/dvd's. Also, there's some newer games that support 1080p, keep an eye out for those.

Remeber, DVD's were never HD, so it will be upscaled from 480i (IIRC) to 1080p, games vary in resolution so check the back of the case.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']The HD DVD movies vary in resolution...some don't have 1080p (older HD DVD) and therfore would be upscaled. Most now a days do come in 1080p and you should have no problems with those. The Elite will upscale everything to 1080p and if you don't like the resolution on some games/dvd's, you can always change the settings temporarily for those games/dvd's. Also, there's some newer games that support 1080p, keep an eye out for those.

Remeber, DVD's were never HD, so it will be upscaled from 480i (IIRC) to 1080p, games vary in resolution so check the back of the case.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, that's what I was wondering. Now I just have to actually find an E.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']The HD DVD movies vary in resolution...some don't have 1080p (older HD DVD) and therfore would be upscaled. [/quote]

I'm not aware of ANY HD DVD movies in a resolution other than 1080p. All 6 launch titles were, and every release I've seen since has been. Every single one of my ~70 movies (about a third of all that have been released) is 1080p as well. Can you list some titles?
 
[quote name='geko29']I'm not aware of ANY HD DVD movies in a resolution other than 1080p. All 6 launch titles were, and every release I've seen since has been. Every single one of my ~70 movies (about a third of all that have been released) is 1080p as well. Can you list some titles?[/quote]

I don't have 1080p but I could have sworn some of the earlier ones didn't...I guess I was wrong. Sorry for the misinformation there.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I don't have 1080p but I could have sworn some of the earlier ones didn't...I guess I was wrong. Sorry for the misinformation there.[/QUOTE]

The poster was correct, all major titles released on HD DVD have been 1080p. This includes Chronos which was incorrectly listed as 1080i in the booklet but is actually 1080p24 on the disc.
 
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