HD DVD thread - Toshiba: HD DVD DISCONTINUED, REPAIR/SUPPORT CONTINUES, NO BLU PLANS

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[quote name='thrustbucket']I don't think this will be a very big issue. One word: Satellite services.
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That's still problematic. For instance, I can't have a satellite in my condo building. We have no balcony, patio etc. so I have no legal recourse as it would have to be mounted something they own (roof, wall, yard etc.).

[quote name='thrustbucket']
I think once this stuff starts taking off, so will managed copy. You will be able to put your movies on flash drives or discs somehow.
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What I meant is that for something I like enough to own, I like have a case with art on it, a disc with art, an insert etc. Allowing copying doesn't help that.

It's just the way I am. Even though all my music listening outside of the car is done with MP3's these days, I still buy CDs and rip them and have never paid for an MP3. I just like having the disc, case, insert etc.

So for me, a download service would have to just be used as a rental service.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I won't invest in blu-ray until I can get a profile 2.0 player for $150 or less. Hopefully Microsoft provides that. It would be awesome if they start undercutting Sony with an add-on for their own format. If you really think about it, Microsoft has the ability to make Blu-Ray's victory be far more painful for Sony than it already has been.[/QUOTE]

Wow. And here I thought you had scruples.

[quote name='thrustbucket']If toshiba does drop out, I am not adopting Bluray. I will just be giving all the money I would have spent on HD DVD to microsoft for movie rentals. I hope they let you buy them soon through marketplace.

It's just insane to me to spend any more than $150 for a movie player, especially one not 2.0 spec.[/QUOTE]

Hell, at this rate, you'll own a PS3 by Friday! ;)

I'm still very very skeptical that Sony would allow MS to sell a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360. Depending on the logistics of it, they may not get much of a say in the matter - but a cheap add-on certainly makes it more difficult to sell a PS3 (even though the PS3 would use the BD for games, while the add-on would not).
 
So when do the HD-DVD movie firesales start? I wanna load up on some cheap hi-def movies.

And I hope a Blu-Ray add on is released so I don't have to import The Prestige.
 
so what happens to the 360 hd dvd player, does it drop in price, i would assume they would have to? or does microsoft stop producing them and it phases out eventually. i'd love to pick one up on the cheap, but i wouldnt spend more than $100 since it will be obselete eventully
 
So when do the HD-DVD movie firesales start? I wanna load up on some cheap hi-def movies.

In a way, it already has. Amazon has quite a few titles on sale for up to 50% off, as well as different promotions every week. The new releases all seem to be at least seven or eight bucks off MSRP, if not moreso. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure they've got one HD DVD title in stock that hasn't been marked off at least somewhat.

I would expect the B&M madness to commence very, very soon. The way Best Buy treated the format this whole time, I'd like to think they'll be super-anxious to be rid of those annoying little maroon snapcases!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Wow. And here I thought you had scruples.[/quote]
Come on now, don't be so silly, you never thought that... ;)

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Your hyper intelligent witty subtleties that you've worked so hard to cultivate must exceed my abilities to grasp or comprehend...;)

Hell, at this rate, you'll own a PS3 by Friday! ;)
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I still stand by my statement that I am more than happy to use XBLA movies for the time being. I only have a 720 plasma so I'm happy with what it provides me. And the only BD player I can foreseeabley see myself getting is a 360 add-on, since it will likely be in that price range. But I think I will be happy with renting XBLA movies for quite some time.
 
I know they want to "sell, sell, sell" as many Blu-Ray movies as possible, but is Sony really going to play that nice with Microsoft when it comes to allowing an add-on? Wouldn't this at least somewhat diminish the now-blatant advantage the PS3 would have between the two to the average current fence-sitter?

Would there be some sort of agreement in place so that the pricing of the add-on would be just short of prohibitive, i.e. starting in the $179.99-$199.99 price range?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm still very very skeptical that Sony would allow MS to sell a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360. Depending on the logistics of it, they may not get much of a say in the matter[/QUOTE]

Oh, I think they're more than happy to...from the Joystiq article linked in the OP:
"We would welcome Microsoft to the Blu-ray stable," SCE Managing Director Michael Ephraim told Smarthouse. "In fact it is quite logical for them as the PS3 has been very successful in driving consumers to Blu-ray."
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...but like you hinted at, I doubt Sony would be able to stop them as long as MS went through the proper channels.

Really, the PS3 has been Blu-Ray's bitch since day 1, it's pretty clear Sony is putting the format's importance ahead of the game console. Now that HD DVD is on the way out, they need to start worrying about DVD. They'll need as many weapons as they can get for that fight.




This is a bit random, but does this read like an Obama endorsement to anyone? Not that non-HD geeks would notice, but....

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[quote name='thrustbucket']Come on now, don't be so silly, you never thought that... ;)[/QUOTE]

Untrue. I thought you had scruples - I thought they were silly, but I still thought they were real.

EDIT: Heh, you're right, Kane.
 
lmfao at the fanboys (thrustbucket) here:
If MS makes a $150 BR player, not only are they losing money, but Sony gets all royalties from them. If MS wants to be suicidal, it's up to them :lol:

And besides, Profile 2.0 is pointless. All BR players can play BRs in 1080p, with the best A/V quality out there, something HD-DVD can't give.
 
[quote name='staplerwow']lmfao at the fanboys (thrustbucket) here:
If MS makes a $150 BR player, not only are they losing money, but Sony gets all royalties from them. If MS wants to be suicidal, it's up to them :lol:[/quote]

But what do Sony make more on, the sale of a Blu-Ray add on to the 360, or the sale of a PS3?

I'm guessing they'd rather sell the PS3.
 
[quote name='staplerwow']All BR players can play BRs in 1080p, with the best A/V quality out there, something HD-DVD can't give.[/QUOTE]
Oh, Christ. Keep the fanboy rhetoric and shitflinging to a minimum please, it has been remarkably civil so far. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're saying that because the A2/A3 only go up to 1080i and not that Blu-Ray's picture and audio quality is noticably and constantly better on dual-format releases, but sometimes I give people too much credit.

...not that the 1080i limitation means anything on any decent 1080p TV anyway.

Thanks. Now, next person to suggest Blu-Ray has offered superior picture quality to HD DVD needs to be tossed off the top of the format war tower and sent back for reeducation on the basics of the two formats.

And besides, Profile 2.0 is pointless.
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That remains to be seen.
 
[quote name='staplerwow']lmfao at the fanboys (thrustbucket) here:
If MS makes a $150 BR player, not only are they losing money, but Sony gets all royalties from them. If MS wants to be suicidal, it's up to them :lol:
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A small price to pay if Microsoft ships and sells another couple million alone on the promise of Blu-ray playback.

Furthermore, Sony doesn't get all the royalties. The BDA does. I'm sure Sony's piece of pie is larger than Hitachi's piece, but still.

When it's adopted as the standard format, Sony's face will slowly fade away from it's sheen.

After all, how many folks look at a DVD and say "Thank goodness for Toshiba, Time Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC. Without them, I wouldn't have any DVDs!"?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Please keep the retarded fanboy shit out of this thread.[/quote]

Then you may leave...

I have both but i can see the light.
 
Toshiba: Still Backing HD DVD -- For Now

Toshiba is denying weekend press reports that it has decided to drop its HD DVD support, saying that the company is "currently assessing its business strategies," but that no final decisions have been made.
In an official statement issued this morning, Toshiba said, "The media [has] reported that Toshiba will discontinue its HD DVD business. Toshiba has not made any announcement concerning this. Although Toshiba is currently assessing its business strategies, no decision has been made at this moment."



Put up 3 minutes ago. HD will tread water a little longer.
 
[quote name='Lice']Then you may leave...

I have both but i can see the light.[/QUOTE]

No, you are posting (massive) shitty photoshops you saw somewhere else on the internet.

Notice how nobody else (even BR diehards like dallow/myke) is posting crap like that?

If you want to gloat, take that shit to the format wars thread.
 
[quote name='Lice']Toshiba: Still Backing HD DVD -- For Now

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that's from this morning, so they're just delaying the inevitable. Everybody's expecting the execution announcement tomorrow, after they meet.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
Those issues will be conquered in a matter of months, not years. And contrary to what a lot of people believe, the bottleneck is not necessarily broadband speeds. The tech is already here, it's just a matter of a company getting studio licenses at this point.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but I really don't envision ISPs offering up their consumers 100gb / month downloads at any kind of reasonable speed for any kind of reasonable cost at any time in the near future. It may be technologically viable for a select few, but not at all a mainstream option. The broadband penetration figures in the U.S. are low enough already (especially compared to other countries), there's no way we're going to get some kind of downloadable media revolution. You strike me as a smart dude, to dismiss the technological components and say "they're already there" is a ridiculous oversight.

A PS3/BR player + a TV is a WAY WAY more viable alternative for the majority of Americans right now, digital downloading will not catch on until the infrastructure is in place (if at all).

Are people forgetting about the benefits associated with physically owning your media? I let my friends borrow / I borrow my friends' movies and DVDs all the time. What if your friend has a crappy internet connection? Isn't a subscriber to the same service? There goes that.

Also, a hard drive is much more likely to fail (in which case you lose everything) as opposed to a disc (in which case you lose just one thing and it's easily replaceable).

Finally there's the whole obnoxious issue of potential quality loss, compression, and download times.

Anyone campaigning for Digital Distribution right now is just in denial that Blu-Ray (at the moment) is clearly the best investment, and will be for quite some time (years, not months), if you want to watch HD movies of the highest quality. Regardless of whether you backed HD-DVD and thought it was superior, there's NO denying that BR is the next best thing, unless you're just blinding yourself out of hate.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Oh, Christ. Keep the fanboy rhetoric and shitflinging to a minimum please, it has been remarkably civil so far. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're saying that because the A2/A3 only go up to 1080i and not that Blu-Ray's picture and audio quality is noticably and constantly better on dual-format releases, but sometimes I give people too much credit.

...not that the 1080i limitation means anything on any decent 1080p TV anyway.

Thanks. Now, next person to suggest Blu-Ray has offered superior picture quality to HD DVD needs to be tossed off the top of the format war tower and sent back for reeducation on the basics of the two formats.


That remains to be seen.[/quote]HD-DVD has often seen better PQ on dual-format releases. Fair. And I was referring to 1080i for A2/A3.

HOWEVER, audio is half the picture, and HD-DVD has proven time and time again that it does not have the chops to match Blu-Ray in terms of audio.
 
[quote name='staplerwow']HD-DVD has often seen better PQ on dual-format releases. Fair. And I was referring to 1080i for A2/A3.

HOWEVER, audio is half the picture, and HD-DVD has proven time and time again that it does not have the chops to match Blu-Ray in terms of audio.[/QUOTE]

While I sort of agree with you (I think you're making a pretty serious generalization there that isn't necessarily always true), I think the majority of people don't have hardware that sufficiently realizes maximum audio potential just yet. It's a lot easier (and cheaper) to buy a 1080p t.v. than it is to buy an HDMI 1.3 receiver and a reference sound system. That's the only reason I held off on buying the HD-DVD 360 addon, because it couldn't handle truly lossless sound.

Once you hear the difference between uncompressed and compressed sound, though, you will forever appreciate it (and want it on discs!)
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']Sorry but I really don't envision ISPs offering up their consumers 100gb / month downloads at any kind of reasonable speed for any kind of reasonable cost at any time in the near future. It may be technologically viable for a select few, but not at all a mainstream option. The broadband penetration figures in the U.S. are low enough already (especially compared to other countries), there's no way we're going to get some kind of downloadable media revolution. You strike me as a smart dude, to dismiss the technological components and say "they're already there" is a ridiculous oversight.

A PS3/BR player + a TV is a WAY WAY more viable alternative for the majority of Americans right now, digital downloading will not catch on until the infrastructure is in place (if at all).

Are people forgetting about the benefits associated with physically owning your media? I let my friends borrow / I borrow my friends' movies and DVDs all the time. What if your friend has a crappy internet connection? Isn't a subscriber to the same service? There goes that.

Also, a hard drive is much more likely to fail (in which case you lose everything) as opposed to a disc (in which case you lose just one thing and it's easily replaceable).

Finally there's the whole obnoxious issue of potential quality loss, compression, and download times.

Anyone campaigning for Digital Distribution right now is just in denial that Blu-Ray (at the moment) is clearly the best investment, and will be for quite some time (years, not months), if you want to watch HD movies of the highest quality. Regardless of whether you backed HD-DVD and thought it was superior, there's NO denying that BR is the next best thing, unless you're just blinding yourself out of hate.[/quote]

QFT. and lets not forget how much of a bigger "door" these digital downloads (if they become mainstream) will leave when it comes to theft. DD will never be endorsed totally for that reason alone. As for thrustbucket's comment on later maybe being able to back up these movies on a personal hdd and/or disc (blu-ray or hd-dvd?), wouldn't that be defeating a purpose? isn't one of the main purposes of DD to cut back on costs and become an easy alternative for the customer? you actually might be spending more money that way. the idea just screams failure to me.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']Sorry but I really don't envision ISPs offering up their consumers 100gb / month downloads at any kind of reasonable speed for any kind of reasonable cost at any time in the near future. It may be technologically viable for a select few, but not at all a mainstream option. The broadband penetration figures in the U.S. are low enough already (especially compared to other countries), there's no way we're going to get some kind of downloadable media revolution. You strike me as a smart dude, to dismiss the technological components and say "they're already there" is a ridiculous oversight.[/quote]
You are totally ignoring Satalite based announcements such as XtremeHD. They intend to be launching somewhere around Q4 this year or Q1 next.
They have goals of lossless sound and 80 mb/s bitrate digital delivery services. These technologies DO exist right now. The main issue, by their admission, is getting the studios to sign on.

You can attempt to say it's a pipe dream, or we won't see it, or call it vaporware and dismiss it. Time will tell. But there are some major money guys behind this company, and I am sure there are many other company's with similar technology/ambitions.

Again, try to think beyond what your cable modem is giving you today.

A PS3/BR player + a TV is a WAY WAY more viable alternative for the majority of Americans right now, digital downloading will not catch on until the infrastructure is in place (if at all).
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As long as current broadband infrastructure remain the only possible source of digital delivery for movies, this is true.

Are people forgetting about the benefits associated with physically owning your media? I let my friends borrow / I borrow my friends' movies and DVDs all the time. What if your friend has a crappy internet connection? Isn't a subscriber to the same service? There goes that.
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So bring your external hard drive over to his house and plug it into his player? (just one option).
Really though, if/when something like XtremeHD is available, offering 2x the bitrate through DD, will you still be happy buying an inferior product because it's physical and you can lend it to friends?

Also, a hard drive is much more likely to fail (in which case you lose everything) as opposed to a disc (in which case you lose just one thing and it's easily replaceable).
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Hm. Hard drives are pretty cheap. And in the standard drm world, once I've bought it I can/should be fine downloading it again once the drive is replaced.
Break/scratch/lose a few Blu-Ray discs and see how expensive those get to replace.

Finally there's the whole obnoxious issue of potential quality loss,
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Not really a reason for this any more than on current discs. Possibly more so on discs when dd bitrate exceeds bluray.
compression,
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See above.
and download times.
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Not in a queuing scenario.

Anyone campaigning for Digital Distribution right now is just in denial that Blu-Ray (at the moment) is clearly the best investment, and will be for quite some time (years, not months), if you want to watch HD movies of the highest quality. Regardless of whether you backed HD-DVD and thought it was superior, there's NO denying that BR is the next best thing, unless you're just blinding yourself out of hate.
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I totally agree, for the moment.

The problem is, that "moment" is going to be much much shorter than the moment between VHS and DVD and even much shorter than the moment between DVD and HDM.
 
I hope you were never one of the HD DVD guys that said bitrates above 30mbps didn't matter and diminishing returns showed no improvement, Thrustbucket whenever BD guys would talk about higher possible video bitrates on BD.

The bitrates achieved now are more than enough for 1080p video.
80mbps? Get out of here!

None of us have 30 foot screens.
 
[quote name='Vitality X']QFT. and lets not forget how much of a bigger "door" these digital downloads (if they become mainstream) will leave when it comes to theft. DD will never be endorsed totally for that reason alone. As for thrustbucket's comment on later maybe being able to back up these movies on a personal hdd and/or disc (blu-ray or hd-dvd?), wouldn't that be defeating a purpose? isn't one of the main purposes of DD to cut back on costs and become an easy alternative for the customer? you actually might be spending more money that way. the idea just screams failure to me.[/QUOTE]

I really fail to see how dd will be harder to enforce copy protection than discs. Google around and see how easy/possible it is to pirate an XBL rented movie. As far as I know, the only real way to do it is to intercept the signal from your component cables with a video capture device, and re-encoding.

Just fyi, managed copy (the ability to back up your movies) was built into the specification for HD DVD but never implemented. It could be argued that HD DVD would have faired better if it had it working from the beginning (backing up movies to a media server). The DRM is complicated to do so, but already designed.

But to answer your question, you don't have to used managed copy, that would/should just be an option if you want it (probably with a small cost associated with it). Just for people who are nazi's about wanting physical media. Although people that love to stare at disc/cover artwork will indeed be SOL.
 
[quote name='dallow']I hope you were never one of the HD DVD guys that said bitrates above 30mbps didn't matter and diminishing returns showed no improvement, Thrustbucket whenever BD guys would talk about higher possible video bitrates on BD.

The bitrates achieved now are more than enough for 1080p video.
80mbps? Get out of here!

None of us have 30 foot screens.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. But you only need to look a couple posts up to see there are indeed people out there that feel bitrate matters, especially for their hallowed lossless sound.

In all honesty, from what I've seen, I think on 95% of people's equipment, and 95% of scenes in movies, 10mbps is plenty. Unfortunately Sony's marketing department has convinced a critical mass that bitrate is super important, which is why people use it to argue so vehemently against digital distribution first and formost.
 
10mbps is NOT enough.

Crap man, that's around what most of the 1080p trailers I download are running and there's TONS of color banding.

It's not even good enough for HD DVD.
27-30 is the sweetspot for 1080p.
 
Just thought I'd post this here too.

Gamestop is apparently only accepting trade ins on the 360 attachment until Thursday.

Also, Toshiba's official announcement is coming at 5pm Tokyo time.

12 AM PST/3 AM EST
 
All this talk of DD not only assumes that the US will overcome its technological shortcomings, nationally, in due time, but also assumes that, unlike the music market (where iTunes and CD coexist somewhat peacefully), DD in this form will absolutely kill off BD.

I'm not particularly convinced of either.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
Really though, if/when something like XtremeHD is available, offering 2x the bitrate through DD, will you still be happy buying an inferior product because it's physical and you can lend it to friends?
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Personally, yes. Both the lendability option, and that I like having a case with artwork etc. as noted.

And as I've said repeatedly, I'm not an A/V guy. HD looks great, but I don't care much about lossless audio and that kind of stuff. I'm fine with my DD5.1/DTS home theater in the box I've had for 8 years or so.

I'd take convenience and having a physical product over a higher A/V quality download anyday.

Again, I could be interested in downloads, but only to replace netflix, not as my method of purchasing movies.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']All this talk of DD not only assumes that the US will overcome its technological shortcomings, nationally, in due time, but also assumes that, unlike the music market (where iTunes and CD coexist somewhat peacefully), DD in this form will absolutely kill off BD.

I'm not particularly convinced of either.[/QUOTE]

Neither am I (especially since the latter requires the former).

To clarify I have nothing against DD persay, and if it really does deliver a superior product (and I'll admit that my definition of superior includes a lot of intangibles that aren't necessarily related to strictly PQ / AQ) for me I'll be happy to adopt. But that's going to be a tough, because it's going to have to be as easy and convenient as using my PS3 + Display is right now.

I just don't like the idea of one content distributor (or several) controlling content - I'm a CAP (Cheap Ass Person) and I enjoy picking everything I buy for less than MSRP. Big box competition / the physical logistics of clearing items to preserve shelf space makes this possible. With DD, we're at the mercy of the providers to compete amongst themselves (and this might not even be that achievable if someone swallows up all the major studios, if this latest battle has taught me anything it's that developing a content monopoly over the movie industry is pretty damn easy).

Finally there's the nostalgia factor - I just like touching the disc cases, ripping off the plastic, and staring at my miniscule (about 8 movies, all purchased for under $10 apiece) collection. I'm sure I'm not the only nerd out there :)
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']Neither am I (especially since the latter requires the former).

To clarify I have nothing against DD persay, and if it really does deliver a superior product (and I'll admit that my definition of superior includes a lot of intangibles that aren't necessarily related to strictly PQ / AQ) for me I'll be happy to adopt. But that's going to be a tough, because it's going to have to be as easy and convenient as using my PS3 + Display is right now.

I just don't like the idea of one content distributor (or several) controlling content - I'm a CAP (Cheap Ass Person) and I enjoy picking everything I buy for less than MSRP. Big box competition / the physical logistics of clearing items to preserve shelf space makes this possible. With DD, we're at the mercy of the providers to compete amongst themselves (and this might not even be that achievable if someone swallows up all the major studios, if this latest battle has taught me anything it's that developing a content monopoly over the movie industry is pretty damn easy).

Finally there's the nostalgia factor - I just like touching the disc cases, ripping off the plastic, and staring at my miniscule (about 8 movies, all purchased for under $10 apiece) collection. I'm sure I'm not the only nerd out there :)[/quote]

youre not a nerd for that. i also like having my collection to look at ( over 700 movies and games). physical media FTW. thank god the DD infrastructure isn't reasonable enough to become mainstream.
 
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWfmRdOmJ0[/MEDIA]

Oh. my. god. This isn't the first time I've seen this scene re-titled, but it is definitely the most hilarious and well done. Even HD-DVD fans have to laugh at this. edit: didn't look at date posted, likely this is a repost but worth it for those who haven't seen it.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']Neither am I (especially since the latter requires the former).

To clarify I have nothing against DD persay, and if it really does deliver a superior product (and I'll admit that my definition of superior includes a lot of intangibles that aren't necessarily related to strictly PQ / AQ) for me I'll be happy to adopt. But that's going to be a tough, because it's going to have to be as easy and convenient as using my PS3 + Display is right now.

I just don't like the idea of one content distributor (or several) controlling content - I'm a CAP (Cheap Ass Person) and I enjoy picking everything I buy for less than MSRP. Big box competition / the physical logistics of clearing items to preserve shelf space makes this possible. With DD, we're at the mercy of the providers to compete amongst themselves (and this might not even be that achievable if someone swallows up all the major studios, if this latest battle has taught me anything it's that developing a content monopoly over the movie industry is pretty damn easy).

Finally there's the nostalgia factor - I just like touching the disc cases, ripping off the plastic, and staring at my miniscule (about 8 movies, all purchased for under $10 apiece) collection. I'm sure I'm not the only nerd out there :)[/QUOTE]

From a "CAG" perspective, the greatest fear to be seen in DD is the absolute lack of sales. The paltry price shifts we've seen on XBLA/PSN (and none whatsoever on the Wii) don't compare in the slightest to the ability to get BOGOs on Amazon, $40 Time Crisis PS3 (not that I bought it, though), $40 COD4, and all the other myriad sales that vary from week to week.

The Xstream dock sounds nice on the surface ($400 for a 2TB drive, so you'll have room for roughly 35-50 movies, fewer if the bitrate is as high as thrustbucket is suggesting) - but at that price, like HD/BD players - they're taking an upfront loss, so the cost of movies is going to be appalling.

Moreover, the DRM restrictions on DD rentals (w/ XBLM and iTunes having the same guidelines - 30 days from purchase to play it, and 24 hours after clicking 'play' for the first time, it no longer works or autodeletes) prevent me from wanting to get into that market at all for the time being.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWfmRdOmJ0

Oh. my. god. This isn't the first time I've seen this scene re-titled, but it is definitely the most hilarious and well done. Even HD-DVD fans have to laugh at this. edit: didn't look at date posted, likely this is a repost but worth it for those who haven't seen it.[/QUOTE]

Jesus fucking christ, can we get a mod to clean up this thread or just lock it?

HURF DURF HERE'S SOMETHING I SAW ON BLU-RAY.COM LOL FUNNIEST THING EVAR!!!1!!1!!

Cut it out. Crappy photoshops/videos weren't funny months ago when they were first posted and they aren't any better now.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Jesus fucking christ, can we get a mod to clean up this thread or just lock it?

HURF DURF HERE'S SOMETHING I SAW ON BLU-RAY.COM LOL FUNNIEST THING EVAR!!!1!!1!!

Cut it out. Crappy photoshops/videos weren't funny months ago when they were first posted and they aren't any better now.[/quote]

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Someone is a sad panda.
 
[quote name='dallow']10mbps is NOT enough.

Crap man, that's around what most of the 1080p trailers I download are running and there's TONS of color banding.

It's not even good enough for HD DVD.
27-30 is the sweetspot for 1080p.[/QUOTE]

I guess you must not realize that the AVERAGE bitrate (according to HD DVD insiders) that an HD DVD runs at is 12-15 mbs? It often hovers around 7 mbs for static scenes (Such as conversation). It really only goes higher than 20 in very complex scenes.

Insiders (and no I am not just referring to Amir, for you Amir haters) have stated that 20 mbps is plenty for a fantastic experience in almost all scenes and cases, with the latest version of codecs.

Your trailers you download are most likely not authored with the same tools and precision the movies are. Advances are made all the time in advance codecs dropping it lower and lower.

XBLA movies, to most people, look fantastic and often indistinguishable from HD DVD's even though they are 720p running between 8-15 mb/s most of the time. I would wager very few people could tell the difference in a taste test, even with it's 1080p disc version.
 
[quote name='Lice']Breaking: Toshiba Schedules Press Conference, HD DVD Announcement Expected


Toshiba has scheduled a press conference for later today, at which it is widely expected to announce that it is officially ceasing support of the HD DVD format.

Rest:http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...Conference,_HD_DVD_Announcement_Expected/1479[/quote]

I thought it was weird that the announcement hits at midnight PST but then realized that its 5pm in Tokyo...I'll be up anyways, I'll see what happens.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I guess you must not realize that the AVERAGE bitrate (according to HD DVD insiders) that an HD DVD runs at is 12-15 mbs? It often hovers around 7 mbs for static scenes (Such as conversation). It really only goes higher than 20 in very complex scenes.

Insiders (and no I am not just referring to Amir, for you Amir haters) have stated that 20 mbps is plenty for a fantastic experience in almost all scenes and cases, with the latest version of codecs.

Your trailers you download are most likely not authored with the same tools and precision the movies are. Advances are made all the time in advance codecs dropping it lower and lower.

XBLA movies, to most people, look fantastic and often indistinguishable from HD DVD's even though they are 720p running between 8-15 mb/s most of the time. I would wager very few people could tell the difference in a taste test, even with it's 1080p disc version.[/quote]I'm glad I'm not most people.

I only know of a couple BDs with average bitrates in the range you're talking about, coincidently, they have visual problems that aren't source related.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']seriously.. we would be fools to expect anything positive from this conference...[/quote]

I know...but I want to see what they say. I'm just hoping that if they call it quits, that if/when they start making Blu-Ray harware, they consider the option of doing a couple dual HD players to support their HD DVD base.
 
Well, I took a nap after work that wound up being a lot longer than I expected...the result of that is I'm up now, and the presser starts in 15 minutes. There was one story up that I was just reading saying Tosh was not abandoning it completely, but at this point I'm not going to even bother linking it since the real news is right around the corner.
 
音響機器メーカーのオンキヨーが、北米と欧州で販売している高画質ＤＶＤ規格「ＨＤ　ＤＶＤ」のプレーヤー（再生専用機）の販売中止を検討していることが１９日 、わかった。

　オンキヨーは「ＨＤ　ＤＶＤ」規格を主導してきた東芝から部品などを調達してきたが、東芝が「ＨＤ　ＤＶＤ」事業からの撤退を１９日午後に正式発表する ことに なり、今後の製造や販売が困難になると判断した模様だ。販売を中止する時期などは今後、決める。購入者へのアフターサービスは継続する見通しだ。

　オンキヨーは、自社の主力製品のアンプやスピーカーなどの音響機器の販売拡大につながるとして、昨年１１月から北米と欧州向けに「ＨＤ　ＤＶＤ」プレー ヤー１ 機種の販売を始めた。日本では販売していない。
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Announced full stop of HD-DVD production. Service and repair continue for the time being, however repair parts will cease to be available after eight years.



Later guys.


Watch it unfold here:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/live-from-toshibas-hd-dvd-press-conference-in-tokyo/
 
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