HD DVD thread - Toshiba: HD DVD DISCONTINUED, REPAIR/SUPPORT CONTINUES, NO BLU PLANS
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benjamouth
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[quote name='Blitz']Hey don't hate me because I'm bi-discual. 
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Yeah sorry, that sounded like I was having a go, the dual format thing pisses me off but what the hell do I know eh ?
Just watched Miami Vice on HD-DVD at the the weekend, if it taught me one thing it's that HD doesn't make films any better, what a steaming turd of a movie that was.
[/quote]Yeah sorry, that sounded like I was having a go, the dual format thing pisses me off but what the hell do I know eh ?
Just watched Miami Vice on HD-DVD at the the weekend, if it taught me one thing it's that HD doesn't make films any better, what a steaming turd of a movie that was.
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[quote name='benjamouth']Yeah sorry, that sounded like I was having a go, the dual format thing pisses me off but what the hell do I know eh ?
Just watched Miami Vice on HD-DVD at the the weekend, if it taught me one thing it's that HD doesn't make films any better, what a steaming turd of a movie that was.[/QUOTE]
Never did see it and after your glowing review, I think I'll pass.
A turd is still a turd no matter how much you try and shine it.
Just watched Miami Vice on HD-DVD at the the weekend, if it taught me one thing it's that HD doesn't make films any better, what a steaming turd of a movie that was.[/QUOTE]
Never did see it and after your glowing review, I think I'll pass.
A turd is still a turd no matter how much you try and shine it.
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[quote name='Sporadic']How would you compare it story-wise to A Scanner Darkly and Total Recall?[/QUOTE]
On par with Scanner Darkley. Not nearly as good as Total Recall.
The story was fine. But the movie felt kind of short. And if you saw any of the trailers, it gave away everything. For some reason it kind of reminded me of Jet Li's "One". I would say if you liked Scanner Darkly you will like it.
On par with Scanner Darkley. Not nearly as good as Total Recall.
The story was fine. But the movie felt kind of short. And if you saw any of the trailers, it gave away everything. For some reason it kind of reminded me of Jet Li's "One". I would say if you liked Scanner Darkly you will like it.
Ive collected some of the response from Blu-Ray.com...Some are just to damn hysterical
Ahhh...only through page 4 of those posts.
goding damn it( I DONT WANT A
THIS P......ES me off!! F..K Paramount. not buying any Paramount movie ANYMORE! they can go die in a F...ing hole!!!!!!
(obviously forgetting so was Fox as well, but I'm sure the poster was only 5 or 6 when Divx was launched)
Ahhh...only through page 4 of those posts.
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That's some funny shit. My favorite is:
Letting consumers make the decision? How can anyone think that is possible with studios divided? Somehow having more studios on BD lets consumers decide which format is best? Amazing.
And I love the double standard shockwave going from bill hunt all the way down the comunity. Somehow it's just fine for Sony to buy support for BDA (which they have never denied) but they get all up in arms about the possibility of HD DVD doing the same (which they do deny).
Letting consumers make the decision? How can anyone think that is possible with studios divided? Somehow having more studios on BD lets consumers decide which format is best? Amazing.
And I love the double standard shockwave going from bill hunt all the way down the comunity. Somehow it's just fine for Sony to buy support for BDA (which they have never denied) but they get all up in arms about the possibility of HD DVD doing the same (which they do deny).
[quote name='GizmoGC']If you support Blu-Ray feel free to start a Blu-Ray software thread in the PS3 forums. This is for HD DVD discussion only. If you want to argue, do it in the VS. thread.[/QUOTE]
K so....do you enjoy being the 360 version of ManaKnight?
K so....do you enjoy being the 360 version of ManaKnight?
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[quote name='thrustbucket']Letting consumers make the decision? How can anyone think that is possible with studios divided? Somehow having more studios on BD lets consumers decide which format is best? Amazing.[/QUOTE]
Come on man, you have to let the consumers decide.
What's that? Sony owns 3 movie studios and put Blu-Ray in the PS3 for no other reason then to push Blu-Ray into homes.
That's no big deal but let's focus of M$ DIRTY MONEY AND GODDAMN UNIVERSAL PROLONGING THE WAR!!!112!!
Come on man, you have to let the consumers decide.
What's that? Sony owns 3 movie studios and put Blu-Ray in the PS3 for no other reason then to push Blu-Ray into homes.
That's no big deal but let's focus of M$ DIRTY MONEY AND GODDAMN UNIVERSAL PROLONGING THE WAR!!!112!!
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[quote name='GizmoGC']I, unlike The Mana Knight, own all videogames systems and all movie formats. He does not. Like I said, go start a BR Software thread or GTFO.[/QUOTE]
Owning multiple consoles =/= objectivity.
You're living proof.
Owning multiple consoles =/= objectivity.
You're living proof.
[quote name='GizmoGC']I, unlike The Mana Knight, own all videogames systems and all movie formats. He does not. Like I said, go start a BR Software thread or GTFO.[/quote]
Your signiture says it all man your the walking version of a male penis, but a short and diseased one. Your quite possibly the only member of CAG that I would love to kick in the face.
Your signiture says it all man your the walking version of a male penis, but a short and diseased one. Your quite possibly the only member of CAG that I would love to kick in the face.
Wow, big big news from Paramount! Ever since getting a PS3, I've been slowly moving away from HD-DVD, but now I can continue to provide justification for my HD-DVD drive add-on. Good news, and I hope this facilitates more dual format players in the future so everyone can get the movies they want.
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[quote name='cleaver']Godfather and Raiders of the Lost Ark are my 2 favorite movies, huge news.[/QUOTE]
The very last part of the press release sort of excludes Spielberg movies. He has full control of his movies and so far they aren't going to either format.
The very last part of the press release sort of excludes Spielberg movies. He has full control of his movies and so far they aren't going to either format.
[quote name='Maynard']Your signiture says it all man your the walking version of a male penis, but a short and diseased one. Your quite possibly the only member of CAG that I would love to kick in the face.[/QUOTE]
Awww. Blu-Ray fanboy is down
Don't worry, I heard Sony will be coming out with atleast 1 good game this year for the PS3. Be happy.
Awww. Blu-Ray fanboy is down
Don't worry, I heard Sony will be coming out with atleast 1 good game this year for the PS3. Be happy.
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For a highly amusing read, go check out Bill Cunt's latest column at thedigitalbits.com...his infantile whining and shell-shocked reaction is awesome.
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He's become a total embarrassment now. I used to worship at the house of The Digital Bits, now its complete shit. I'm a little surprised he didn't start saying "M$", though he gets an extra douchebag point for using the term "Moneysoft"
Clever guys.
Edit: He's changed his original article. Its more civil. My favorite Bill comment "Consumers are so confused by the two colors! How will they ever know what to buy?!?!"
Its called research. Its a basic skill learned in high school.
For a highly amusing read, go check out Bill Cunt's latest column at thedigitalbits.com...his infantile whining and shell-shocked reaction is awesome.
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He's become a total embarrassment now. I used to worship at the house of The Digital Bits, now its complete shit. I'm a little surprised he didn't start saying "M$", though he gets an extra douchebag point for using the term "Moneysoft"
Clever guys.
Edit: He's changed his original article. Its more civil. My favorite Bill comment "Consumers are so confused by the two colors! How will they ever know what to buy?!?!"
Its called research. Its a basic skill learned in high school.
[quote name='Sporadic']Why not?
Yeah, GizmoGC is kind of annoying but don't think you aren't right beside him on the opposite side of the fence.[/quote]
Hey hey I just bought my HD DVD player so I am definately not on the opposite side of the fence. Just find it obnoxious everytime something happens to Sony he posts all these silly messages and stupid pictures about SONY IS DOOMED. Sooooooo annoying.
Yeah, GizmoGC is kind of annoying but don't think you aren't right beside him on the opposite side of the fence.[/quote]
Hey hey I just bought my HD DVD player so I am definately not on the opposite side of the fence. Just find it obnoxious everytime something happens to Sony he posts all these silly messages and stupid pictures about SONY IS DOOMED. Sooooooo annoying.
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Wow, didn't think we would see bickering here in the HD DVD/X360 forums...Its awesome news and its hilarious to see the reaction of the Sony fanboys. Now...where's the release date for Transformers on HD DVD? I'll gladly pay full price for that puppy!
[quote name='cleaver']Godfather and Raiders of the Lost Ark are my 2 favorite movies, huge news.[/QUOTE]
Spielberg has final say on if and how his movies are released, not Paramount. But it's still good news and i'm sure Paramount can convince him to release them.
Spielberg has final say on if and how his movies are released, not Paramount. But it's still good news and i'm sure Paramount can convince him to release them.
[quote name='terribledeli']Edit: He's changed his original article. Its more civil. My favorite Bill comment "Consumers are so confused by the two colors! How will they ever know what to buy?!?!"[/QUOTE]
Absolutelying pathetic. If there was ANY doubt whatsoever that this idiot thinks with his heart instead of his brain, that doubt was washed away today. He even replaced "Moneysoft" with "Microsoft."
I never write to people on websites over stuff like that, but once I saw he changed his article, I could not resist.
Absolutely
ing pathetic. If there was ANY doubt whatsoever that this idiot thinks with his heart instead of his brain, that doubt was washed away today. He even replaced "Moneysoft" with "Microsoft."I never write to people on websites over stuff like that, but once I saw he changed his article, I could not resist.
[quote name='KaneRobot']Absolutely ing pathetic. If there was ANY doubt whatsoever that this idiot thinks with his heart instead of his brain, that doubt was washed away today. He even replaced "Moneysoft" with "Microsoft."
I never write to people on websites over stuff like that, but once I saw he changed his article, I could not resist.[/QUOTE]
Atleast his original whine-fest was quoted many times over in various forums.
ing pathetic. If there was ANY doubt whatsoever that this idiot thinks with his heart instead of his brain, that doubt was washed away today. He even replaced "Moneysoft" with "Microsoft."I never write to people on websites over stuff like that, but once I saw he changed his article, I could not resist.[/QUOTE]
Atleast his original whine-fest was quoted many times over in various forums.
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[quote name='anomynous']Good Im most likely getting the HD DVD add on for my birthday soon, Transformers HD DVD exclusive = win
not to mention Indiana Jones & The Godfather[/quote]
If someone is buying the HD DVD add-on for you, I suggest you tell them to get it this week @ Best Buy as you will get 300 HD DVD/DVD for free, this week only!
not to mention Indiana Jones & The Godfather[/quote]
If someone is buying the HD DVD add-on for you, I suggest you tell them to get it this week @ Best Buy as you will get 300 HD DVD/DVD for free, this week only!
[quote name='LinkinPrime']If someone is buying the HD DVD add-on for you, I suggest you tell them to get it this week @ Best Buy as you will get 300 HD DVD/DVD for free, this week only![/QUOTE]
I am holding out as I feel better deals will be coming fairly soon.
I am holding out as I feel better deals will be coming fairly soon.
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noo..buy now!
heck i want them to make a black addon!
heck i want them to make a black addon!
although I own both players I am disappointed by this news. I am hoping for some sort of unified branding here and this news is just making it drag out longer, which is why I dont undertand everyones cheers? This is bad news for the consumer, you guys/gals shouldn't be applauding this at ALL!
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[quote name='Maynard']although I own both players I am disappointed by this news. I am hoping for some sort of unified branding here and this news is just making it drag out longer, which is why I dont undertand everyones cheers? This is bad news for the consumer, you guys/gals shouldn't be applauding this at ALL![/quote]
No they shouldn't, but as with many things this has become a "them or us" thing, and you're usually either them or us.
No they shouldn't, but as with many things this has become a "them or us" thing, and you're usually either them or us.
[quote name='Maynard']although I own both players I am disappointed by this news. I am hoping for some sort of unified branding here and this news is just making it drag out longer, which is why I dont undertand everyones cheers? This is bad news for the consumer, you guys/gals shouldn't be applauding this at ALL![/QUOTE]
Yeah Sporadic, I'm not a Blu-Ray fanboy at all, I'm completely neutral. Look at me, I own both formats! Now let me tell you why Blu-Ray is the best, why HD-DVD staying the course is bad news for the consumer and why Paramount going HD-DVD exclusive is "meh" news.
Sorry, brother, just like I have been telling you since the beginning, both formats are here to stay. Toshiba and Sony have too much money tied up in them just to roll over a year after they've just started.
And that's a fantastic thing. It forces all of the companies to bring their A game to the table, forces the prices to go down much faster than they would have otherwise and eventually combo players will be the standard so it won't even matter in the end.
Yeah Sporadic, I'm not a Blu-Ray fanboy at all, I'm completely neutral. Look at me, I own both formats! Now let me tell you why Blu-Ray is the best, why HD-DVD staying the course is bad news for the consumer and why Paramount going HD-DVD exclusive is "meh" news.
Sorry, brother, just like I have been telling you since the beginning, both formats are here to stay. Toshiba and Sony have too much money tied up in them just to roll over a year after they've just started.
And that's a fantastic thing. It forces all of the companies to bring their A game to the table, forces the prices to go down much faster than they would have otherwise and eventually combo players will be the standard so it won't even matter in the end.
[quote name='Sporadic']Yeah Sporadic, I'm not a Blu-Ray fanboy at all, I'm completely neutral. Look at me, I own both formats! Now let me tell you why Blu-Ray is the best, why HD-DVD staying the course is bad news for the consumer and why Paramount going HD-DVD exclusive is "meh" news.
Sorry, brother, just like I have been telling you since the beginning, both formats are here to stay. Toshiba and Sony have too much money tied up in them just to roll over a year after they've just started.
And that's a fantastic thing. It forces all of the companies to bring their A game to the table, forces the prices to go down much faster than they would have otherwise and eventually combo players will be the standard so it won't even matter in the end.[/quote]
Sorry Sista eventually it will go one way or another, and I predict the two of them merging someday. I never said Blu-ray was the best in any of my posts did I? This is bad news for the consumer, spin it anyway you want this is still just bad news.
Sorry, brother, just like I have been telling you since the beginning, both formats are here to stay. Toshiba and Sony have too much money tied up in them just to roll over a year after they've just started.
And that's a fantastic thing. It forces all of the companies to bring their A game to the table, forces the prices to go down much faster than they would have otherwise and eventually combo players will be the standard so it won't even matter in the end.[/quote]
Sorry Sista
eventually it will go one way or another, and I predict the two of them merging someday. I never said Blu-ray was the best in any of my posts did I? This is bad news for the consumer, spin it anyway you want this is still just bad news.[quote name='Maynard']Sorry Sista eventually it will go one way or another, and I predict the two of them merging someday.[/QUOTE]
They won't.
They had the chance to come together before launch but Sony wants it all and just wants Toshiba to off.
Honestly, I don't ever see them bending about this issue. Even if combo players become the standard and every movie company goes HD-DVD to cut production cost, I can still see Sony releasing only on Blu-Ray.
[quote name='Maynard']I never said Blu-ray was the best in any of my posts did I? [/QUOTE]
You imply it pretty heavily since you are completely negative in all of your posts when it regards anything about HD-DVD.
[quote name='Maynard']This is bad news for the consumer, spin it anyway you want this is still just bad news.[/QUOTE]
Why?
There is no spin, competition is good for the consumer. Always. I can't think of a time when competition isn't good.
eventually it will go one way or another, and I predict the two of them merging someday.[/QUOTE]They won't.
They had the chance to come together before launch but Sony wants it all and just wants Toshiba to
off. Honestly, I don't ever see them bending about this issue. Even if combo players become the standard and every movie company goes HD-DVD to cut production cost, I can still see Sony releasing only on Blu-Ray.
[quote name='Maynard']I never said Blu-ray was the best in any of my posts did I? [/QUOTE]
You imply it pretty heavily since you are completely negative in all of your posts when it regards anything about HD-DVD.
[quote name='Maynard']This is bad news for the consumer, spin it anyway you want this is still just bad news.[/QUOTE]
Why?
There is no spin, competition is good for the consumer. Always. I can't think of a time when competition isn't good.
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[quote name='LinkinPrime']If someone is buying the HD DVD add-on for you, I suggest you tell them to get it this week @ Best Buy as you will get 300 HD DVD/DVD for free, this week only![/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I already did, that's where I told them to buy because of that deal...........
Don't worry, I already did, that's where I told them to buy because of that deal...........
Blu-Ray boys will tell you its bad news because Blu-Ray SHOULD have won and now, apparently, the evil M$ (need the money sign of course) will push digital downloads.
Apparently, Blu-Ray is a better format because today they have 50GB discs and more studio support. What they fail to mention is the fact that all HD DVD players have a built-in ethernet port, and the players can play all current and future discs unlike Blu-Ray players. If a 45GB or 51GB HD DVD disc comes out...guess what? You're launch HD-A1 can play it. If Finding Nemo comes with a bonus game...guess what? Your $500 Blu-Ray you just bought may not be able to use it. But pfff, who cares.
THAT'S the problem. Blu-Ray is a format that is not finished. 300 clearly shows this. Blood Diamond does. Heroes does. Neither format will win and Dual Players will be the norm in the coming months. I don't expect WB to become HD DVD exclusive, but Newline may change their mind.
Apparently, Blu-Ray is a better format because today they have 50GB discs and more studio support. What they fail to mention is the fact that all HD DVD players have a built-in ethernet port, and the players can play all current and future discs unlike Blu-Ray players. If a 45GB or 51GB HD DVD disc comes out...guess what? You're launch HD-A1 can play it. If Finding Nemo comes with a bonus game...guess what? Your $500 Blu-Ray you just bought may not be able to use it. But pfff, who cares.
THAT'S the problem. Blu-Ray is a format that is not finished. 300 clearly shows this. Blood Diamond does. Heroes does. Neither format will win and Dual Players will be the norm in the coming months. I don't expect WB to become HD DVD exclusive, but Newline may change their mind.
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[quote name='Sporadic']competition is good for the consumer. Always. I can't think of a time when competition isn't good.[/QUOTE]
Y'know, I bristle at this. Not because I disagree, and not because the competition has brought HDTV sets and HD/BR players dropped in price at an unexpected rate (and they aren't done yet), but because Paramount going HD is not "competition." In fact, IMO, it is the precise *opposite* of competition.
Now, you can point out that I support BR and disregard anything I have to say, and that's fine. If that's you, go ahead and skip on to the next post now.
*elevator music*
Alright, now that that's out of the way, the reason I say it is not competition is because Paramount's decision to go HD DVD exclusive was not dictated by the consumer. The decision was made by the HD DVD association (whatever their actual group name is). The consumers were saying "Blu-Ray all the way" via their choices, so, on by itself, being HD-exclusive is akin to saying "we want to make 67% less profit than the format-neutral groups, or 50% less (half of 67%) than BR-exclusive groups." The same argument can be made of BR-exclusive groups as well: "we want to make 33% less profit than format neutral groups." Just to be fair.
So, a massive financial incentive was given to Paramount. To paraphrase the now HD-exclusive Godfatherlol, it was an offer they couldn't refuse. Up front, $150 million is a hell of a lot more money than they would earn from 67% of the Hidef video market at this point. At $20 a movie, they'd have to sell 7.5 million discs to make that kind of cash (not counting all the costs of producing said 7.5m discs). 7.5 million discs? To put that in perspective, that's 2.5 times the number of *total* hidef discs (irrespective of format) sold thus far. Again, this offer to Paramount was something they'd be damned foolish to turn down.
In the end, though, I do bristle that this can be considered "competition," at least in the laissez-faire sense; it goes against the grain of the consumers dictating what the market looks like. The consumer had no say in this decision, simply put.
Full disclosure for those who don't follow the "format war" thread: I own a PS3, and am a de facto BR supporter. Feel free to reread my post and interpret as a braying fanatic BR fanboy if you so choose. After that, I encourage you to join the format war thread, as I'd like to continue the conversation over there: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132555&page=36
Y'know, I bristle at this. Not because I disagree, and not because the competition has brought HDTV sets and HD/BR players dropped in price at an unexpected rate (and they aren't done yet), but because Paramount going HD is not "competition." In fact, IMO, it is the precise *opposite* of competition.
Now, you can point out that I support BR and disregard anything I have to say, and that's fine. If that's you, go ahead and skip on to the next post now.
*elevator music*
Alright, now that that's out of the way, the reason I say it is not competition is because Paramount's decision to go HD DVD exclusive was not dictated by the consumer. The decision was made by the HD DVD association (whatever their actual group name is). The consumers were saying "Blu-Ray all the way" via their choices, so, on by itself, being HD-exclusive is akin to saying "we want to make 67% less profit than the format-neutral groups, or 50% less (half of 67%) than BR-exclusive groups." The same argument can be made of BR-exclusive groups as well: "we want to make 33% less profit than format neutral groups." Just to be fair.
So, a massive financial incentive was given to Paramount. To paraphrase the now HD-exclusive Godfather
lol, it was an offer they couldn't refuse. Up front, $150 million is a hell of a lot more money than they would earn from 67% of the Hidef video market at this point. At $20 a movie, they'd have to sell 7.5 million discs to make that kind of cash (not counting all the costs of producing said 7.5m discs). 7.5 million discs? To put that in perspective, that's 2.5 times the number of *total* hidef discs (irrespective of format) sold thus far. Again, this offer to Paramount was something they'd be damned foolish to turn down.In the end, though, I do bristle that this can be considered "competition," at least in the laissez-faire sense; it goes against the grain of the consumers dictating what the market looks like. The consumer had no say in this decision, simply put.
Full disclosure for those who don't follow the "format war" thread: I own a PS3, and am a de facto BR supporter. Feel free to reread my post and interpret as a braying fanatic BR fanboy if you so choose. After that, I encourage you to join the format war thread, as I'd like to continue the conversation over there: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132555&page=36
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