Heavy Rain Discussion Thread

[quote name='Jodou']Question about Mad Jack:
is it possible to still arrest him if you don't succumb to taking triptocaine? It was the first time in the game where it didn't really hint that I shouldn't take it, so I assume this is the one time you're supposed to in order to save your life. My guess is you're fucked if you took a trip both times previously and this would be one of those cause/effect moments.

I only ask because I've never taken a trip up to this point, but wanted to know if you can still not take it and survive. I already know you will make the arrest if you take it, but if I can avoid it I'd like to.

Another funny glitch I found:
when Madison is visiting the doc, you have a choice of searching the house and once you have the Blue Lagoon lead, you can either wait around or leave. The glitch is about timing and I just happen to leave at the exact moment I would have been hit in the face with a bat. So as I'm watching the sequence for walking out the door and riding off, the audio sequence is playing for when he comes back and even causes the screen to shake and go blurry lol. I was relieved to find that it does advance her to the club instead of w/e happens otherwise.
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Mad Jack:
If you don't take it, he puts Norman in his car and goes to drop it into some machine to kill him, which I think winds up in a fist fight in front of a moving crane, like the plane fight in the first Indiana Jones movie. I don't know what the possible outcomes are for that situation since I took the triptocaine and arrested Jack.
 
[quote name='sotc1988']
The butler refers to ARI when he says "don't overdo it" because in the final sequence where Jayden has to assemble all the clues, you can die if you spend too much time in ARI. His eyes start to bleed and the environment becomes chaotic until finally, he seizes. You're supposed to think he's referring to the drugs making this an interesting twist.
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I always thought he was referring to Ari. I figured its what he was talking about earlier in the game when you're in the hotel/motel room. You start tripping and Ari starts bleeding over into real life. If you use the drugs or wait it out, or shower like I did, it goes away.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Mad Jack:
If you don't take it, he puts Norman in his car and goes to drop it into some machine to kill him, which I think winds up in a fist fight in front of a moving crane, like the plane fight in the first Indiana Jones movie. I don't know what the possible outcomes are for that situation since I took the triptocaine and arrested Jack.
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That happened to me.
The tripto got knocked out of my hand and I fell to floor trying to get it, then Mad Jack stomped on my head and I blacked out. I saw the prompt for Tripto right away, but I chose something else, and I didn't get another chance to take it.
 
[quote name='n4styn4t3']I'm about an hour and a half in. Does it pick up at all? Boring as hell thus far.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it gets better. The first couple hours just set the tone and atmosphere.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Well I was playing with the wife last night. I find it funny that some people quote time into the game. Say 2 hours. That is somewhat irrelevant. Maybe its just me from playing oldschoold adventure games as I grew up and even into more recent years with my wife. But we are checking everything as well play. I even
made my way back to the lift in the mechanics shop to see if I needed to take his wrench he left
. At that point I looked at my wife and said well I am thinking this game is like the old Sierra games where you had to take everything you came across, obviously thats not the case.

Now what pisses me off is I
killed Nathanial, by accident. All the talk was going on and my wife was really into it. She was saying what button I should push, to respond how she thought we should, and we talked him down and he put the gun down... Then I seen a prompt come up as he reached into his pocket and my wife says "R1", so I hit it and boom headshot
Now I dont know whether to go back and replay that part or not. To me the way that worked it was almost intentionally done to cause that to happen "by accident". I noticed that I got
a Blunder trophy
for it however. I am just really curious how that is going to effect the game at a later point.[/QUOTE]

Don't go and replay parts to change how things go. If anything, when you're done, play through again and make totally different choices. Going back in your main game to change one part seems like a cop out.
 
Double post...didn't want to throw this in with the other post in case someone quoted.

Just finished up Heavy Rain...wow. I think I wound up with the optimal ending, but I'm not too sure since I didn't read anything about the different story branches online.

I knew that it would wind up being Scott Shelby when there was about an hour or two of gameplay left. Once finding out that it was/is a cop, I was 100%. They tried dangling Blake out there, but it obviously wasnt him.

My ending had Shelby die, Ethan, Shaun, and Madison all move in together, and the detective left the FBI.

I only have two negative things to say about the game.

- At times, the voice acting is horrendously bad. I don't really understand it. 50% of the time it's great, the other 50% of the time is really corny. Pretty much everyone aside from the main four characters had cheesy voices, although the FBI agent was pretty bad at times as well.

- The end credits give away some branches in the story path. Kind of spoiled some of it for me. I mean, I'll still play through it again, but it kind of sucked seeing the way some of the events could alternately play out.

Aside from those two things, the game was excellent. Go buy it and support Quantic Dream. Way too many developers play it safe with the same tried and true games over and over. It's nice to see a dev actually stick their neck out there and do something completely original (well, they did Indigo Prophecy, which was sort of the same thing, but you get my point).
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Mad Jack:
If you don't take it, he puts Norman in his car and goes to drop it into some machine to kill him, which I think winds up in a fist fight in front of a moving crane, like the plane fight in the first Indiana Jones movie. I don't know what the possible outcomes are for that situation since I took the triptocaine and arrested Jack.
[/QUOTE]Oh duh, I should have remembered that sequence since it was shown in a gameplay video long ago. Unless there's a trophy for resisting completely, I think I'll just stick to the same decision again.

[quote name='SEH']Don't go and replay parts to change how things go. If anything, when you're done, play through again and make totally different choices. Going back in your main game to change one part seems like a cop out.[/QUOTE]
I'd agree if you could fast-forward or even skip dialogue. Since you can't and most of us only want to replay parts for trophies, I don't see the problem.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Oh duh, I should have remembered that sequence since it was shown in a gameplay video long ago. Unless there's a trophy for resisting completely, I think I'll just stick to the same decision again.


I'd agree if you could fast-forward or even skip dialogue. Since you can't and most of us only want to replay parts for trophies, I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]

I can see once you finish your initial play through, going back and playing individual chapters for trophies, but to alter your first play through seems lame to me. Just play it and let things unfold naturally the first time.
 
[quote name='Brownjohn']You missed a fun scene.
If you had been caught, you get some background info on the doctor and a fun, intense button-sequence scene.
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Eh, don't really care since I just want to finish the game. Since I lost my game save last night and had to start over, I could actually do it this time but I'm not going to bother.
 
[quote name='SEH']I can see once you finish your initial play through, going back and playing individual chapters for trophies, but to alter your first play through seems lame to me. Just play it and let things unfold naturally the first time.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, I really feel no connection to any of the characters, just the story itself so it doesn't bother me to alter something if there's a reward in it for me. I honestly don't care which ending I get, so long as I find out whodunit.
 
I have a quick question for those who completed the game.

When you're in ARI analysing your clues for the last time, you have to watch the video from the night club. I found the watch clue, and the sword, however, I'm pretty sure I missed something since I was unable to have Jayden identify the killer like I assume he was supposed to. Am I supposed to stop the video somewhere else in order to find another clue?
 
[quote name='SEH']I have a quick question for those who completed the game.

When you're in ARI analysing your clues for the last time, you have to watch the video from the night club. I found the watch clue, and the sword, however, I'm pretty sure I missed something since I was unable to have Jayden identify the killer like I assume he was supposed to. Am I supposed to stop the video somewhere else in order to find another clue?
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He crossreferences them with the receipts and maybe the gun to get the address, if you picked those items up at the scene of the fight.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']
He crossreferences them with the receipts and maybe the gun to get the address, if you picked those items up at the scene of the fight.
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I had the receipts and checked them, but nothing happened. At the club, I found the two different guns in the room, but he never actually took either of them.
 
[quote name='SEH']Don't go and replay parts to change how things go. If anything, when you're done, play through again and make totally different choices. Going back in your main game to change one part seems like a cop out.[/QUOTE]


Yeah we went on it just sucks as I wouldnt have done that
however given the moment I suppose it could happen even if it wasnt intentional in a similar real life situation, so with that I left it as was and have moved along.
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']My GameStop ran out of preorder codes for the first episode. Grrr.....[/QUOTE]

Are they going to compensate you? I mean the who reason for preordering is to get their bonuses right?

I don't see how that even happens without them snatching up the codes for themselves.
 
my stores got about 10 at the most. obviously if more than 10 people preordered it, there will be some they don't get one.

its while supplies last. no guarentee
 
[quote name='kurrptsenate']my stores got about 10 at the most. obviously if more than 10 people preordered it, there will be some they don't get one.

its while supplies last. no guarentee[/QUOTE]

Oh ok that make sense. Still, a bit crazy so many people are missing out on these.
 
[quote name='SEH']
I had the receipts and checked them, but nothing happened. At the club, I found the two different guns in the room, but he never actually took either of them.
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Check the receipts with the map. Also, analyzing the video in a certain part gives the same results as analyzing one of the guns.
 
After hearing about all the glitches and bugs, I feel a little better about myself being a chepass and refusing to pay $55 for a 10 hour game at launch. I hope they fix the bugs soon, or else no buy even with a price drop. This guy on Neo GAF said the auto-save bugged up for him and erased his save RIGHT BEFORE THE ENDING. Poor bastard. I want to experience this game, but I'm not going to risk it if bugs like that exist at $60 MSRP/$55 Amazon.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']This guy on Neo GAF said the auto-save bugged up for him and erased his save RIGHT BEFORE THE ENDING.[/QUOTE]
I swear if I lose another save right before the ending, I will lose it. While the first one I lost wasn't at the ending, it was getting pretty damn close. I'm just going to play straight through the second half tonight to make sure I can't lose the save like I did for a dinner break yesterday.
 
I really love this game. But for some crazy reason I just can't do the up motions a lot of the time. My controller responds to everything else very good. I don't feel like I am doing anything out of the ordinary either. Anybody else having issues with the up motions on the sixaxis?

Sometimes I feel like just throwing the controller up in the air and see if that works... ;)

A glitch that's happening is getting trophies after the fact. I loaded a game and got a trophy for something I did a few scenes ago. Wild.
 
[quote name='Jodou']I swear if I lose another save right before the ending, I will lose it. While the first one I lost wasn't at the ending, it was getting pretty damn close. I'm just going to play straight through the second half tonight to make sure I can't lose the save like I did for a dinner break yesterday.[/QUOTE]


I was just about to say that it might be Jodou from here.. crazy. Guess I am not stopping when I get close to the end.

Does the rainfall have anything to do with how close you are to the ending, as in percentage complete? I mean if I see say 1.15 incehs is that 11% or anything related?

Just curious as I figured it must tie in to a percentage complete aspect, but not sure.
I do realize that its supposedly 6 inches and the child being held is drowned

If someone replies to me dont be an ass and ruin anything.
 
You who have finished the game, do you feel that you'll be willing to pay for the DLC prequel episodes (rumored to be $4.99 on the PSN)?
 
[quote name='Snake2715']I was just about to say that it might be Jodou from here.. crazy. Guess I am not stopping when I get close to the end.

Does the rainfall have anything to do with how close you are to the ending, as in percentage complete? I mean if I see say 1.15 incehs is that 11% or anything related?

Just curious as I figured it must tie in to a percentage complete aspect, but not sure.
I do realize that its supposedly 6 inches and the child being held is drowned

If someone replies to me dont be an ass and ruin anything.[/QUOTE]
If you know 6 is the end, then divide 1.15 by 6 to get your progression. Simple math. ;)
 
[quote name='Se7en69']I really love this game. But for some crazy reason I just can't do the up motions a lot of the time. My controller responds to everything else very good. I don't feel like I am doing anything out of the ordinary either. Anybody else having issues with the up motions on the sixaxis?

Sometimes I feel like just throwing the controller up in the air and see if that works... ;)

A glitch that's happening is getting trophies after the fact. I loaded a game and got a trophy for something I did a few scenes ago. Wild.[/QUOTE]


Dunno what your issue could be... but just make sure you are going up to the face of the controller... which the way I hold my controller usually means pulling it to me instead of going up... it isn't necessarily "up."

NamPaehc, If the content is sizable enough. $5 is not bad and I did enjoy the experience a lot. So if the reviews are good and it is more than 15 minutes of game... probably. Getting the first for free will certainly help, if they are good.
 
This is obviosuly going to come back out this fall with all the DLC and be a special edition at the retail cost of 59.99 or whatever.

Like the games before it.
 
Update/info on the patch and issues with the game.

As we reported earlier in the week, Heavy Rain is having some problems with freezing, locking up, and glitches. In the comments section of that article, you'll find many who experienced some kind of problem. At first, it was thought to be due to the 230MB patch, but it appears that may not be the case after-all. The issue has finally been addressed by a Sony developer on the PlayStation forums. He reassures everyone that this problem is only occurring in a low population of machines, Sony is working on a solution to release to the public so everyone can enjoy the game without a problem.

One thing he does make note of, is do not shutoff the system if the screen goes black. Wait 5 minutes before acting on this black screen and then make a decision from there. It doesn't mean the game crashed.

He posts:
Hi folks, this is just to let you know that the issues reported in this thread and elsewhere are being looked into. We're currently trying to establish any common factors for people who are experiencing game freezing so if you are having trouble please be as thorough as possible with regards to your PS3 setup - are you using a launch version of the console or a brand new slim, playing in standard or high definition (I'm not suggesting that these are potential causes, just making the point)... any information you can give may help to find where the issue lies.

One word of advice we've had already is to avoid switching off your PlayStation while the game is in black screen as this may be affecting your save game. There have been a few reports of incidents where game saves have taken longer than would normally be expected - and with a black screen present it may leave the assumption that the game has crashed. In these circumstances we recommend you wait at least 5 minutes before rebooting - while it's highly unlikely a save will take this long, it's better to be safe than sorry.

While incidents of problems with the game are very low we're working to ensure that everyone gets the Heavy Rain experience they expect. As soon as there is any further information we'll update further.

The same developer then left this response on the forums offering a possible fix. Remove all peripherals from the system. It may not fix the problem, but it's worth giving it a try.

Thanks for the responses so for, I'll pass these on to the right people to help in establishing potential causes for these issues. Obviously I'll keep you up to date with all further information that comes along, and please do continue to post any findings you have and I'll make sure the team are informed.

One other thing to try, that I mention purely because I've seen it happen in another game, is to try removing any peripherals to have assigned to your PS3 - Blu-ray remotes, Buzz! controllers, guitar controllers etc - while it's unlikely that this is the cause I'm keen to rule out the obvious to begin with.

Let us know if you are still experiencing any problems. With Sony now working on a solution, we should see some kind of patch, hopefully, within a week's time. Once an official solution if released, we'll let you know.
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>>>So it is a hardward issue???
 
Dammit. I'm going to start playing tomorrow, and now I won't be able to get the idea that my game could glitch out of my head.

But at least I have an old PS3, which supposedly has less problems. Of course, believing that would mean that I believe a random statement off the internet (where any statement passes as an explanation).
 
[quote name='Snake2715']I was just about to say that it might be Jodou from here.. crazy. Guess I am not stopping when I get close to the end.[/QUOTE]
Nah, wasn't me. At least I know it's not just me losing saves when the game loads. This is the first game I've played that has actually lost save games on me, though. That's pretty sad.
 
Don't shutoff your PS3 right away if you get a black screen or you will lose your saves. http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...y2010m2d25-Sony-addresses-Heavy-Rain-problems

Hi folks, this is just to let you know that the issues reported in this thread and elsewhere are being looked into. We're currently trying to establish any common factors for people who are experiencing game freezing so if you are having trouble please be as thorough as possible with regards to your PS3 setup - are you using a launch version of the console or a brand new slim, playing in standard or high definition (I'm not suggesting that these are potential causes, just making the point)... any information you can give may help to find where the issue lies.

One word of advice we've had already is to avoid switching off your PlayStation while the game is in black screen as this may be affecting your save game. There have been a few reports of incidents where game saves have taken longer than would normally be expected - and with a black screen present it may leave the assumption that the game has crashed. In these circumstances we recommend you wait at least 5 minutes before rebooting - while it's highly unlikely a save will take this long, it's better to be safe than sorry.

While incidents of problems with the game are very low we're working to ensure that everyone gets the Heavy Rain experience they expect. As soon as there is any further information we'll update further.

Thanks for the responses so for, I'll pass these on to the right people to help in establishing potential causes for these issues. Obviously I'll keep you up to date with all further information that comes along, and please do continue to post any findings you have and I'll make sure the team are informed.

One other thing to try, that I mention purely because I've seen it happen in another game, is to try removing any peripherals to have assigned to your PS3 - Blu-ray remotes, Buzz! controllers, guitar controllers etc - while it's unlikely that this is the cause I'm keen to rule out the obvious to begin with.
 
so does this game have any replay value? sounds like this is a game you could knock out in a day or 2. im debating to pick this up or just save the cash for FF13
 
[quote name='hypertek']so does this game have any replay value? sounds like this is a game you could knock out in a day or 2. im debating to pick this up or just save the cash for FF13[/QUOTE]

I can't speak for you and I am not a FF series fan... but this game is pretty great. Replay wise, there are multiple ways many scenarios can play out, so if you want to see it all, you would have to play it more than just once through.

I definitely recommend it and there isn't really anything else out there like it.
 
I'm so incredibly let down with this game. I'd been looking forward to it for the past year and the issues basically boil down to:

1) Mediocre gameplay (which wouldn't be a big deal if it weren't for #2)
2) Mediocre story

I didn't come in expecting quality gameplay especially knowing Quantic Dream's style and after playing Indigo Prophecy, but I was truly expecting to be blown away with the story and the characters. I'm about 7 hours in so far and so far the writing, acting and directing just aren't very good. If Heavy Rain was a film and not a game I feel like no one would even consider it worth discussing due to how generally bland the writing feels and how generic most of the characters feel to me so far. If you're thinking of picking this up, do yourself a favor and rent it first. Better yet: do yourself a favor and play the demo three times back to back. The experience would be akin to playing the game for a couple of hours.

Just my $0.02.

EDIT:

Regarding the glitchiness: I've only had the game freeze on me once and that was about 5 hours in during one of Ethan's loading screens. So far I haven't had any save data corrupted and the gameplay has been smooth.
 
Damn people beat it already!? You guys must've been putting in 5 hour sessions. I finally got my copy today and will be delaying to play it until after the Olympics and will probably only play it about an hour or two a day.
 
J7, I put in a lot of time yesterday, which was my first day with it. Then about 2 or 3 hours today to finish.

[quote name='tenma'] If Heavy Rain was a film and not a game I feel like no one would even consider it worth discussing due to how generally bland the writing feels and how generic most of the characters feel to me so far. [/QUOTE]

I disagree with this quite a bit. The story isn't knock you down amazing, but it is very solid. Better than most things you could compare it directly to in film or gaming (some exceptions of course). I feel the character work is not bad and fairly engaging. Also, as I work in film, an extremely mediocre work known as Avatar has dominated the headlines for months. So, don't try to say terrible/bland/generic things in film don't get more than their fair share of coverage and discussion.
 
[quote name='J7.']Damn people beat it already!? You guys must've been putting in 5 hour sessions. I finally got my copy today and will be delaying to play it until after the Olympics and will probably only play it about an hour or two a day.[/QUOTE]

I personally feel like putting in shorter sessions takes you out of the game, which is why I played for 3-4 hour bursts.
 
Im NOT giving any spoilers.

Just finished the game and that was a satisfying ending. It wasnt over in 11 seconds, it explained everything and they didnt pull the fucking "to be continued card" like most games do. And usually bad, cliche, short endings are what ruin games for me. Even batman arkahm asylum I really enjoyed but its crappy ending left a bad taste in my mouth, like I just had a nice steak meal, with a salad, bake potato, a beer and some ice tea and for desert I was giving a hot brownie with ice creme on it but the brownie was really a piece of shit.

I really enjoyed the game. Going to play something else but Im coming back to it soon to play it through again so I can see the other versions of the game when I make different choices. Judging by how it went when I played it you could play it maybe 3 times and get a fairly different game each time depending on what you did.

After beating it I can say this game was definitely worth my money and its got replay value.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']
I disagree with this quite a bit. The story isn't knock you down amazing, but it is very solid. Better than most things you could compare it directly to in film or gaming (some exceptions of course). I feel the character work is not bad and fairly engaging. Also, as I work in film, an extremely mediocre work known as Avatar has dominated the headlines for months. So, don't try to say terrible/bland/generic things in film don't get more than their fair share of coverage and discussion.[/QUOTE]

I respect your opinion, but we're obviously seeing things quite differently. To me, yes, the story is solid. But that's kind of like saying "Well, at least it wasn't terrible". For a game like Heavy Rain, which both David Cage and others have been ushering in as a quality cinematic experience having a merely cohesive story isn't enough. For me the problem doesn't rest in me not knowing what they're going for, but me being unable to become engrossed in it due to merely passable writing, merely passable acting and a story that doesn't even exceed the quality of most made-for-TV films. I don't say that as a put down, I say that as an indicator of simply how unimpressive the non-gameplay elements of this game are for me.

You're comparing Avatar - a film basically made for the same audience as Independence Day and GI Joe - to Heavy Rain. I apologize for expecting more out of a game like Heavy Rain, story-wise. No one is talking about Avatar for the deep, moving story but for its box office receipts and the pure spectacle of it all. If someone was to say Avatar had one of the most profound stories for its medium I'd call them out for it. But that's basically what people seem to be suggesting for Heavy Rain: that for the medium it presents an uncanny experience that's rarely seen. Rarely seen? Yes. Uncanny? Not by a long shot.

I want to like this game. Hell, I wouldn't have paid $60 for it on its release date if I didn't. But the repetitive gameplay, mundane and often unnecessary tasks (does shaving really require a QTE?) and merely tolerable story and characterizations just prevent me from being able to say that I've enjoyed the experience.

Obviously, we all have different tastes and will react to the story and experience differently. I've just been thoroughly unimpressed so far with just about everything but the graphics and mo-cap so far.
 
I'm sorry, but the story wasn't well told. The situational choices that I had to make with certain time limits were in fact the highlights of the game.

Oh, and if anyone really needs the preorder codes, couldn't you just make a new PSN account, then redeem the code, then share it? I'm sure there's enough to go around.
 
[quote name='anathema728']Oh, and if anyone really needs the preorder codes, couldn't you just make a new PSN account, then redeem the code, then share it? I'm sure there's enough to go around.[/QUOTE]

Not really. Its a code to download the DLC, so you don't have to pay for it. It would be just like gamesharing the DLC, which means only four other people could get in on it.
 
[quote name='Brownjohn']only four other people could get in on it.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I'm sure there's more than enough codes. Just depends on how generous people are.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Just don't download the patch and then you'll have no issues.[/QUOTE]

It's seriously because of the patch? WTF was the point of the patch then?
 
[quote name='tenma']a story that doesn't even exceed the quality of most made-for-TV films. [/QUOTE]

I know where you are coming from... except on this... have you ever watched a made for TV movie? Especially a cable channel's version? Holy cow. SyFy, Hallmark, Spike, Lifetime, almost anyone has stuff that you can't watch for more than 5 minutes! :lol:

They confirmed it was not the patch... supposedly.
 
Holy Crap does any one agree
that the part where you are the private detective and smash your car though the house of that rich guy and your pistol is blazzing you couldnt help but feel BADASS :D
 
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