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[quote name='007']Anyway... on the subject of Hall of Fame vs. ROH... go to the Hall of Fame. Is it a big wank ceremony? Sure, but it's also the last time you'll see some of these guys live. Flair's induction is worth it on it's own, and let's be fair... you'll likely never have the chance to be in the same room as The Rock again, if you care about that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]

Again, what's the big deal about seeing Flair/Rock make a speech when some of the best wrestling of the year is going on next door?

With the choices being watching Flair/Rock make a speech in a massive arena or watching one of Ring Of Honor's best show of the year in a gym capable of holding 300, I'd much rather be in the gym watching wrestling...especially since the next night you can actually see Flair wrestle his "final" match.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Again, what's the big deal about seeing Flair/Rock make a speech when some of the best wrestling of the year is going on next door?

With the choices being watching Flair/Rock make a speech in a massive arena or watching one of Ring Of Honor's best show of the year in a gym capable of holding 300, I'd much rather be in the gym watching wrestling...especially since the next night you can actually see Flair wrestle his "final" match.[/quote]

It'll probably hold over a thousand people. Here is an image of the venue.

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They're selling 10 rows worth of reserved seats with 20 seats per row. That's 200 people. Now there are four sections so multiply 200 by 4 and you've got 800 people. Now count in everyone who will be sitting in the bleachers and you've easily got over 1000 people there.

[quote name='guyver2077']hearing the rock make his entrance will be all worth it..[/quote]

All that will happen is that whatever he says is going to get drown out by "you sold out" chants and that's just lame. You want to see the Rock, go rent a movie. Go to Supercard of Honor 3 and stop living in the past. :)

For once just take a blind leap of faith and give something new a chance. You might be surprised and you might just fall in love.
 
I don't even follow ROH and I say go to that over the HOF inductions. Its not like it really means anything, and it'll be on DVD with Wrestlemania.

Also, where are all the Human Tornado vids Zen???
 
All that will happen is that whatever he says is going to get drown out by "you sold out" chants and that's just lame. You want to see the Rock, go rent a movie. Go to Supercard of Honor 3 and stop living in the past. :)

For once just take a blind leap of faith and give something new a chance. You might be surprised and you might just fall in love.[/quote]

The rock is the main one I miss that doesn't wrestle anymore.
 
I'd personally lean more towards going to the ROH show since you know you're in for an awesome show with an awseome card, whereas with the HoF you're just listening to a bunch of acceptance speeches. Honetly, if it weren't for Flair getting inducted, I wouldn't even care about the HoF ceremony this year.
 
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[quote name='guyver2077']hearing the rock make his entrance will be all worth it..[/QUOTE]

just use youtube, I'm sure there is thousands of videos.
 
10-5 for ROH Supercard of Honor 3 Mang!

And here is your entrance!

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I don't post on here too often...I don't have long debates or discussions with anyone...but if Guyver hasn't decided on where to go...I'll throw in my two cents for the simple fact that I have nothing else to do...so here goes...

To me, if you have the chance to see RIC FLAIR inducted into the HoF then it's a freakin' no brainer. I'm not knocking ROH whatsoever, but I mean, it's Ric Flair. How often does a man continue to wrestle, at 59 years of age mind you, on a consistent basis? He can still go...I mean...if you can get a decent match out of Vince McMahon on Raw when there's really nothing to it nor gain from it, then that should speak vividly about him. Flair is one of the all-time greats and the current "most world title" wrestler (until Trips takes that away), and there may very well never be another who can even attempt to follow that. Sure, you could probably make some bank on the HoF tickets...but personally...I'd say Flair is a once in a lifetime moment, and you never know when people can just up and leave wrestling...I vote for Flair's HoF over ROH any time.
 
C'mon, guyver, HoF is for zombie marks. You're better than that, right? Imagine the infamy you'll receive at RoH with Cenastyle! You'll be immortalized! I'm in for $10!
 
[quote name='beane316']I don't post on here too often...I don't have long debates or discussions with anyone...but if Guyver hasn't decided on where to go...I'll throw in my two cents for the simple fact that I have nothing else to do...so here goes...

To me, if you have the chance to see RIC FLAIR inducted into the HoF then it's a freakin' no brainer. I'm not knocking ROH whatsoever, but I mean, it's Ric Flair. How often does a man continue to wrestle, at 59 years of age mind you, on a consistent basis? He can still go...I mean...if you can get a decent match out of Vince McMahon on Raw when there's really nothing to it nor gain from it, then that should speak vividly about him. Flair is one of the all-time greats and the current "most world title" wrestler (until Trips takes that away), and there may very well never be another who can even attempt to follow that. Sure, you could probably make some bank on the HoF tickets...but personally...I'd say Flair is a once in a lifetime moment, and you never know when people can just up and leave wrestling...I vote for Flair's HoF over ROH any time.[/quote]

The HoF isn't a real Hall of Fame.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']
They're selling 10 rows worth of reserved seats with 20 seats per row. That's 200 people. Now there are four sections so multiply 200 by 4 and you've got 800 people. Now count in everyone who will be sitting in the bleachers and you've easily got over 1000 people there.[/QUOTE]

They are selling ten rows? I thought it was only 5 when I bought my tickets.

Guess my 4th row seats to Supercard Of Honor aren't that bad after all.

[quote name='beane316']
To me, if you have the chance to see RIC FLAIR inducted into the HoF then it's a freakin' no brainer. I'm not knocking ROH whatsoever, but I mean, it's Ric Flair. How often does a man continue to wrestle, at 59 years of age mind you, on a consistent basis? He can still go...I mean...if you can get a decent match out of Vince McMahon on Raw when there's really nothing to it nor gain from it, then that should speak vividly about him. Flair is one of the all-time greats and the current "most world title" wrestler (until Trips takes that away), and there may very well never be another who can even attempt to follow that. Sure, you could probably make some bank on the HoF tickets...but personally...I'd say Flair is a once in a lifetime moment, and you never know when people can just up and leave wrestling...I vote for Flair's HoF over ROH any time.[/QUOTE]

Again

[quote name='Sporadic']Again, what's the big deal about seeing Flair/Rock make a speech when some of the best wrestling of the year is going on next door?

With the choices being watching Flair/Rock make a speech in a massive arena or watching one of Ring Of Honor's best show of the year in a gym capable of holding 300 1000, I'd much rather be in the gym watching wrestling...especially since the next night you can actually see Flair wrestle his "final" match.[/QUOTE]

Flair isn't a once in a lifetime moment when he's wrestling Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania the next night.

Why would you choose 3 hours of talking over 4 hours of some of the craziest wrestling you'll probably ever see live?
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']The HoF isn't a real Hall of Fame.[/quote]


Oh well...it's still Flair...AND IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMN IT!
 
[quote name='Sporadic']They are selling ten rows? I thought it was only 5 when I bought my tickets.

Guess my 4th row seats to Supercard Of Honor aren't that bad after all.[/quote]

They're on 10th row right now for both nights on the ROH site. Someone was selling their front row seats for like $40 and I tried to convince Guyver but he wouldn't bite lol.

For the record, I'm taking the Wrestlemania 25 thread. I'm calling it now. :)

[quote name='beane316']Oh well...it's still Flair...AND IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMN IT![/quote]

That's why you go to Wrestlemania and see Flair beat HBK.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']They're on 10th row right now for both nights on the ROH site. Someone was selling their front row seats for like $40 and I tried to convince Guyver but he wouldn't bite lol.

For the record, I'm taking the Wrestlemania 25 thread. I'm calling it now. :)




That's why you go to Wrestlemania and see Flair beat HBK.[/quote]

Damn it, Zen...why must you keep making me try to think of replies :(
 
[quote name='beane316']Damn it, Zen...why must you keep making me try to think of replies :([/quote]

I'm sorry. :(

It's just that when you're a wrestling fan, you should try and pursue good wrestling. If Ring of Honor succeeds, it will force the WWE to try and put on a better product, which it only does right now for Wrestlemania.

The Hall of Fame is no more than a glorified hype show for Wrestlemania and I think everyone who picks it over Supercard of Honor 3 is a sucker, denying themselves everything that means to be a wrestling fan and having fallen for nothing more than a marketing line. They might as well buy a Chia Pet on their way to the Hall of Fame venue.

I don't mean to say anything negative about Guyver and I'm apologizing for saying it right now in front of everyone, but that's genuinely how I feel.

Either way, I'm going to drop it now because everything that has to be said on the subject has been said.
 
how bout this you go to ROH. IN cena gear. with cena signs I'll toss in a ric flair autograph. HOF would be lame. Free tickets ??? SCALP them you will make a killing!!!!


I'll look for the ric autograph
 
honestly... any old school fan would not turn down the chance to see flair inducted into the hall of fame ..

im not going to be the only one who decides to sell his ticket.. it would prob make the person who hooked it up feel bad

And on top of that it would be impossible to convince most of the group to drop $$ on the "unheard of" roh
 
[quote name='JJSP']Are CIMA and Naruki Doi going to be at the ROH show?[/quote]

Yeah. They are. Here are the cards. Another few matches will be added for each night.


"Dragon Gate Challenge 2
"

Main Event Six Man Tag
CIMA, Go Shiozaki & Erick Stevens vs. FIP World Heavyweight Champion Roderick Strong & ROH World Tag Team Champions Davey Richards & Rocky Romero

ROH vs. Dragon Gate

Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. Dragon Kid & Ryo Saito

ROH vs. Dragon Gate
Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. Naruki Doi & Masato Yoshino

ROH vs. Dragon Gate
Austin Aries vs. Genki Horiguchi

ROH vs. Dragon Gate
Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black vs. BxB Hulk & Shingo

Tammy Sytch will be signing autographs!!!

Plus more to be announced in upcoming weeks!!!



"Supercard of Honor 3"

ROH World Title Match- Rematch From Rising Above PPV
Nigel McGuinness (if still champion) defends vs. Austin Aries

Dragon Gate Six Man Tag
CIMA, Dragon Kid & Ryo Saito vs. Naruki Doi, Masato Yoshino & Genki Horiguchi

World Tag Team Title Match
Davey Richards & Rocky Romero defend vs. Ruckus & Jigsaw

Stipulations To Be Announced
Roderick Strong vs. Erick Stevens

ROH vs. Dragon Gate
Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. Shingo & BxB Hulk

First Time Ever
Delirious vs. Go Shiozaki

Tammy Sytch will be signing autographs!!!

Plus more to be announced in upcoming weeks!!!

[quote name='guyver2077']honestly... any old school fan would not turn down the chance to see flair inducted into the hall of fame ..

im not going to be the only one who decides to sell his ticket.. it would prob make the person who hooked it up feel bad

And on top of that it would be impossible to convince most of the group to drop $$ on the "unheard of" roh[/quote]

First of all, I want to say that I'm sorry for being a douchebag. I'm not going to make any excuses but that's genuinely how I feel and I want to say I'm sorry for any douchebaggery on my part.

As others have already said, including myself, the "Hall of Fame" is nothing more than a glorified hype show for Wrestlemania. It isn't a real hall of fame.

And I understand that you think it would be impossible to convince most of them to drop $$ on a "unheard of" promotion, but that's pretty much why these shows are going to be to be so amazing. The point of these shows is to hook new fans with the absolute best showings Ring of Honor can muster. And the next time Ring of Honor will do this is next Wrestlemania so the dilemma comes up all over again.

Like I said, take your group to the Friday show. You can decide right after if they want to come back for the next night of ROH or hit up the Hall of Fame. The majority of people on this board alone have pointed to Ring of Honor over the Hall of Fame and there's a reason for that. General Admission is only $16 for each night for the Ring of Honor shows.
 
That Dragon Gate 6-man seems to be the generic Dragon Gate match on every card those guys appear on. Nonetheless, there's some potential for greatness in that match (Lightning Spiral, anyone?). Generico/Steen vs SHINGO/BxB is going to be awesome - Steen and SHINGO are stiff as all hell, and Generico and BxB provide some quality comedy.

As stacked as that ROH card is, being there live for Ric Flair's farewell tour is epic. The crowd roar for Ric when he takes the stage and gives his speech is going to be huge, whether or not it's a real HOF or not. You've gotta believe they're going to give him all the time in the world to speak, and it'll be one of those emotional moments you'll always remember as a wrestling fan.

Go see Ric Flair one last time. His last match may be the following night, but you'll only get one shot to see The Nature Boy join the HOF.
 
ok then who wants old ricky boys autograpgh. Its on a nitro ticket stub from here in atl. Met him and david flair at a bar in atl after nitro one night.
 
ECW was boring as hell. Crowd was dead the whole show. What's up with Shelton? I haven't watched ECW or RAW in months but this new gimmick sucks.
 
Eddie Graham's going into the HoF, and his son Mike, who tried to profit off of his father's suicide with a storyline, will be accepting the award. Well, at least Dusty's speech will be amusing.

Last night's AWA show featured a paunchy, bald, and ungodly old Verne Gagne RUN WILD on Brody, hitting him with punches (that Brody no-sold) go for a backdrop (that Brody deadweighted him on) and hit him with chairshots (that, again, Brody no-sold). I love Brody. Also, Verne hyped up THE MILLS BROTHERS being in the audience of the AWA show, which was hilarious. Lord James Blears casually suggesting that Verne bitchslap his wife when she gets out of line was wrong, but also humorous.
 
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]day, March 22nd, 2008 - FIP Unfinished Business 2008
National Guard Armory
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Doors open at 7:30 pm and show starts at 8 pm
Tickets are $20 Ringside, $15 GA & Kids 13 and under $10 GA
Advance tickets - $12 GA & Kids 13 and under $8 GA
To purchase advance tickets call (352) 422-4582 or click here.

ROH World Title Match: Nigel McGuinness vs. Larry Sweeney
FIP World Title Match: Roderick Strong vs. Austin Aries
Grudge Tag Team Match: The Briscoes vs. Kenny King and Sal Rinauro
Grudge Match: Tyler Black with Lacey vs. Jason Blade of the YRR
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Already signed:
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-ROH World Champion Nigel McGuinness
-The YRR of FIP Florida Heritage Champion Sal Rinauro, FIP Tag Team Champions Jason Blade & Kenny King & Chasyn Rance
-Erick Stevens
-Austin Aries
-Jay & Mark Briscoe
-The Age of the Fall of Tyler Black, Lacey & Rain
-Delirious
-Seth Delay
-Trenesha
-Rex Sterling
-Damien Wayne
-Plus many more to be announced in the upcoming weeks!

ROH VALUTED CLASSICS

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Man, I can't get my DVR to record AWA as a series - and I'm not going to waste the time to record them individually, so I guess I'll catch it when I can.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']The HoF isn't a real Hall of Fame.[/quote]

What other HOF has gotten any kind of traction, let alone mainstream exposure. Meltzer has done a great job compiling names, but the WWE will have the most visible HoF, self-serving or not.

[quote name='guyver2077']honestly... any old school fan would not turn down the chance to see flair inducted into the hall of fame ..[/quote]

Speaking as a guy who's driving to Canton next year to see Shannon Sharpe go in, I agree that anyone that's a big Flair fan (like myself) wouldn't turn down the chance to see him go into the best excuse for a HoF wrestling has.

Back to xwt-classics for more old school NWA.
 
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Wednesday, March 19, 2008


Welcome to the first "ROH Business Notes," which will be periodically featured at ROHwrestling.com. This new feature won't have any hype, but rather a straight forward look at the business happenings of Ring Of Honor. We hope this will be an interesting, informative and fresh look at ROH. Here is the first "ROH Business Notes" at ROHwrestling.com:

-ROH officials have been looking towards the South for new venues. A lot of people were surprised yesterday when ROH announced its first show in Manassas, Virginia on May 9th. ROH will bring a full roster of ROH and NOAH stars to Virginia. A good turnout will lead to future shows. Tickets will go on sale at www.ROHwrestling.com Friday, March 21st, at 10am.

When you add the fact that ROH already has three shows scheduled for Florida (March 28th & 29th in Orlando and October 10th in Coral Springs) it is obvious that ROH is looking for new frontiers. In fact, ROH officials are working on some right now. If there is any news it will be reported first at ROHwrestling.com.

-"Man Up" looks to be the most watched ROH show of 2007. Right now, it is the top selling DVD and PPV of 2007. ROH's PPVs have shown a slight increase in buys with each passing one. ROH's current PPV, "Rising Above," has one more showing in prime-time on iN DEMAND. It will be this Thursday, March 20th, at 8pm. The final two showings on The DISH Network's All Day Ticket are March 22nd & 25th.

-ROH and Koch Vision are set to release "Bloodstained Honor" and "Stars Of Honor" in stores everywhere on April 1st. You local FYE should have both titles in stock. However, your local Best Buy might not be carrying these titles. If you want to see ROH DVDs in Best Buy please call your local store and tell them to carry "Bloodstained Honor" and "Stars Of Honor" from Koch Vision.

-ROH has introduced the "Vaulted Classics" series. It will showcase top matches from out of stock DVDs. Homicide vs. CM Punk from "ROH Gold" is now on www.ROHvideos.com as the first edition of the "Vaulted Classics" series. You can watch this match in two parts on rohvideos.com at:
http://www.rohvideos.com/watch?v=P4Mu6-zuIRM
http://www.rohvideos.com/watch?v=bYBeQ2XQM-8

-ROH's creative side is always looking for new mediums to promote its personalities and happenings. It has found recent success with Myspace.com blogs. Jimmy Jacobs and Alex Shelley recently challenged each other in their blog to a tag match on April 18th in Detroit. Their writing increased fan interest in the match and gained the attention of the internet. Now April 18th has become one of ROHwrestling.com's hottest selling tickets. Other attempts at this kind of marketing has seen an exclusive website for one of ROH's top faction (www.AgeOfTheFall.com) and a hotline for the "office" of super agent Larry Sweeney (the number is available on a business card Sweeney flings out to the crowd at shows). You can read the Shelley and Jacobs' blogs at:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=2505822
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=189083

-Several ROH wrestlers will appear in the upcoming movie "The Wrestler" by Darren Aronofsky. The movie filmed several scenes in the ROH ring over four days last week. Several ROH talents received speaking roles. It is unknown who will make it into the movie right now, but ROH will be prominently featured in the final cut. "The Wrestler" stars Mickey Rourke and Oscar winner Marisa Tomei, who both shared the locker room with the ROH wrestlers. Aronofsky was very happy with the cooperation and response of the ROH fans, who appear on camera and will be in the movie.

-Thank you for reading the first "ROH Business Notes" at ROHwrestling.com. It is unknown right now how often this feature will run.
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Botchamania 42 is up. Mostly WCW & TNA Destination X botches.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QEbeznC628[/media]

I love how the commentator acts at 2:20. :rofl:
 
Purple Flames already posted that, but thanks.

That commentator is one of the Insane Clown Posse from their "Juggalo Championshit Wrestling" videos.
 
Again ICP brings the humor. It's not as good as the "spinning hornwheel" comment but man, for idiots they're pretty clever.

Anyhow, I'd go to the HoF ceremony over a RoH show. While WWE may be somewhat biased in who they induct from year to year, I can't really argue with any of their inductions thus far. Time will tell if they ever give Randy Savage his spot in the HoF but like the Virtual Console, I don't think it's reasonable to expect Vince to dump everyone into the HoF at once. The bottom line is that it's pretty much the best the industry has at the moment and until WWE is long-gone, it's going to stay that way.
 
I'll reluctantly vote for ROH. This year's HOF just isn't all that impressive, IMO, aside from Flair. That makes it a very, very hard choice, but I'm going to lean in favor of selling your HOF tickets for a mint and going to ROH.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']No point in voting. I think it's already been insinuated by Guyver that he is going to the HoF.[/QUOTE]

The thing that kills the HOF for me and why I decided to skip it (despite it being on my original plan) was the fact that the event moved from upscale venues in Chicago and Detroit to the SAME ARENA RAW WILL BE IN ON MONDAY. You went from being in a cozy venue to the same arena the Magic play in. Totally kills it for me.

My trip:
Thursday: Braves-Mets Preseason, Paramore at Hard Rock (for the wife)
Friday: ROH
Saturday: TNA, ROH
Sunday: Mania, other "stuff"
 
[quote name='MrNEWZ']The thing that kills the HOF for me and why I decided to skip it (despite it being on my original plan) was the fact that the event moved from upscale venues in Chicago and Detroit to the SAME ARENA RAW WILL BE IN ON MONDAY. You went from being in a cozy venue to the same arena the Magic play in. Totally kills it for me.

My trip:
Thursday: Braves-Mets Preseason, Paramore at Hard Rock (for the wife)
Friday: ROH
Saturday: TNA, ROH
Sunday: Mania, other "stuff"[/quote]

Let us know how your weekend goes after you get back.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Let us know how your weekend goes after you get back.[/QUOTE]


Sure. Unless you're being sarcastic. ;-)

The build for Mania has hurt it, imho. I'm less interested in that than I am the Braves game and I hate baseball. ;-)

If any other CAGers are heading out to any of the above, feel free to let me know.
 
[quote name='MrNEWZ']Sure. Unless you're being sarcastic. ;-)

The build for Mania has hurt it, imho. I'm less interested in that than I am the Braves game and I hate baseball. ;-)

If any other CAGers are heading out to any of the above, feel free to let me know.[/quote]

No sarcasm on my part man.
 
The story behind splitting the WWE Championship into separate Raw, SmackDown titles

By the time I joined the creative team in July 2002, they already kinda knew that having one world title that went back and forth between the two shows wasn't working. There had been some hesitation to splitting the titles, more out of tradition than anything else I think. But as we developed the Stephanie/Bischoff general manager thing and really started giving each show its own identity and feel, we debated it and finally resolved that for the longterm success of the brand extension, it was probably the best thing.

So we sought to come up with a plan as to how to create a whole new title that had the instant feel and legitimacy of a world championship.

We threw a bunch of ideas out there for how to crown this new champion, and eventually came up with a plan playing off the fact that the Intercontinental Championship has been seen as the No. 2 title in the promotion, so perhaps we could crown someone a No. 1 contender for the current world title, and then have them face the IC Champion for this new title. Seemed that like that would give it some weight.

We knew we had 16-time World Champion Ric Flair in our back pocket as an early win for whoever this new champion would be to give the title even more pop. I also suggested we use the big gold belt for the new title (it hadn't been seen since around the time that Triple H won the unified title at WrestleMania in Toronto that year), since that belt has so much history and instant recognition.

Brock Lesnar was slated to win the Undisputed Title from The Rock at SummerSlam (at Nassau Coliseum!) soon after, with Raw emanating from Madison Square Garden the following night. We figured the MSG hook could only add to the prestige and get the ball rolling, and I think it was either Vince or Paul Heyman's idea for Brock to leave MSG with the title, defecting to SmackDown at the World's Most Famous Arena, really making an impact.

Chris Benoit was Intercontinental Champion when we came up with the plan, and he had just left Raw for SmackDown, which was a problem, since the IC title needed to be on Raw for this plan to work. So we came up with some back story about Raw having a contract for an IC Title match, so the title could be moved over to Rob Van Dam at SummerSlam.

The MSG Raw also called for a No. 1 contenders match, which would see Triple H beat the Undertaker to claim a future title shot, just moments before Brock was to jump to SmackDown only.

Then, with Brock gone and defected, our plan called for Bischoff to announce the creation of the World Heavyweight Championship, with the No. 1 contender (Triple H) facing the IC Champion (Rob Van Dam) to crown the first champion at Unforgiven.

Van Dam would then win the World Title, and our plan called for both he and Brock to hold onto their championships until the following WrestleMania -- there had been so much turmoil and craziness with the Invasion storyline and the brand extension that we resolved it would be a good thing to get one guy driving each show for the better part of the year. Having Brock and Van Dam be the guys felt new and fresh, especially after a year when you had Austin, Hogan, Rock, Triple H and Undertaker on top -- all huge stars obviously, but the fans (and most of us on creative) were screaming for something new.

We figure it was a no-lose situation -- either we would have branded a new World Championship, or, if things didn't work out, we could just get a payday out of re-uniting the titles if need be. And the early talk was to do Brock vs. RVD at WrestleMania XIX.

Of course, things didn't quite work out this way ... more details to come later this week

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/specialevent/wrestling/2008/03/the_story_behind_splitting_the.html

Wow, that would have been cool.
 
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