I worked out for the first time in 2 years and I feel GREAT (33 lbs. down!)

[quote name='javeryh']I'm holding steady at 198-200 for the last month at least. It is going to take some serious adjustment to my diet and routine to lose another 10lbs. I'm not sure what to do because I can't possibly eat less without starving myself and I'm working out for almost 2 hours every day. I am quite toned and I feel great though so that last 10lbs. might be unnecessary. I would like a little more definition in my midsection though - right now you can see my abs if I tighten them but they are not noticable (other than the top 2) when I'm relaxed.

I did just start taking a multi-vitamin and some whey protein (80g/day) and I am shitting a ton more so that has to be good for something, right?[/QUOTE]

Sorry if you already answered this Jav, but how tall are you?
 
I'm 6'-0" tall.

I'm hoping the whey protein doesn't make me gain weight. There are 2g of fat and 120 calories per serving... maybe I'll cut it to 2 servings per day to start.
 
are you trying to build muscle javery? protein will make you gain weight i believe. that's why i'm hoping to hit the 180 range (goal) and then start maybe taking whey to gain some muscle mass.

and i'm with you on the abs, my top 2 are the only ones that are getting definition...i think regular situps work those 2 out the most.

i could be wrong on all of this, and if any of you guys want to share your tips feel free to correct me.
 
Whey protein is the way to go to gain muscle I usually gain about 15 pounds when I begin my cycles. But you also have to work out or else it will turn to fat.
 
Hmmm... I am taking it to recover from workouts quicker. It's supposed to rebuild your muscles faster after tearing them down through working out. I definitely don't want to gain ANY weight though. I'm not even trying to to build muscle as I feel like I have plenty of that too. I'm just wicked tired all the time and I thought the protein might help. If anyone has any better ideas I'd love to hear them - I'm pretty sure the 4-5 no-doz I'm popping every day to stay awake isn't a good idea...
 
Whey is protein (Whey Protein). Taking whey protein will aid in the repair of muscle, so it will correspond to "weight gain", however it will be a good weight gain. Also the weight gain really isn't that much, maybe
 
[quote name='javeryh']Hmmm... I am taking it to recover from workouts quicker.[/QUOTE]

I thought so. I do that, too, but I only take the whey protein one scoop at a time, and only after lifting. Two a day, esp. 2/day on non-lifting days, can be unnecessary and lead to weight gain. As RR said, it's not *bad* weight gain, but it is gain.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Hmmm... I am taking it to recover from workouts quicker. It's supposed to rebuild your muscles faster after tearing them down through working out. I definitely don't want to gain ANY weight though. [/quote]

I'm using Isopure with no carbs, in order to recover better and not gain any weight while doing it. Tastes like shit but it really works.
 
[quote name='Ranger Rick']Make sure do do cardio after a strength training session and never before one.[/quote]

Is there any reason for this? If I've been doing it backwards I'm going to kick myself!!!

What I usually do, and please tell me if I am getting any benefit:

Monday Mornings: 20 Minutes Eliptical followed by Weight Lifting (Chest and Back)
Monday Afternoons: 1 hour Basketball or 40 minutes on the eliptical or 30 minutes treadmill (3 Miles)
Tuesday Mornings: 45 Minutes eliptical
Tuesday Afternoons: 1 hour Basketball or 40 minutes on the eliptical or 30 minutes treadmill (3 Miles)
Wednesday Mornings: 20 Minutes Eliptical followed by Weight Lifting (Biceps & Triceps)
Wednesday Afternoons: 1 hour Basketball or 40 minutes on the eliptical or 30 minutes treadmill (3 Miles)
Thursday Mornings: 20 Minutes Eliptical followed by Weight Lifting (Shoulders)
Thursday Afternoons: 1 hour Basketball or 40 minutes on the eliptical or 30 minutes treadmill (3 Miles)
Friday Mornings: 20 Minutes Eliptical followed by Weight Lifting (Legs)
Friday Afternoons: 1 hour Basketball or 40 minutes on the eliptical or 30 minutes treadmill (3 Miles)

Thanks for the help!
 
Ive always done cardio before and after my weightlifting... I started at 156 about 2 months ago, Im 5'11" and want to get up to 180... Im currently about 164.. ganing weight is difficult as I want it to be good weight, and still have a light layer of fat in the love handle/ab region although I have been able to spot the 6 pack from time to time (generally after workouts)

My schedule (5 day workout followed by day of rest... then repeat)
1: Approx 3 mile run at park or 3 miles on elliptical (mix it up as I have bad knees and am trying to save them)
45-50 minutes leg weights and ab work
Approx 1.5-2 mile elliptical

2: Approx 3 mile run or elliptical
45-50 min upper body weights
Approx 1.5-2 mile elliptical

3: Approx 7-7.5 total miles combined from run/ elliptical or both

4: Repeat day 1

5: Repeat day 2

6 Day off

Have greatly improved the diet as well, although I like pizza or a nice big dessert now and then

Breakfasts: Oatmeal and banana
Snack: Beef Jerky or Cashews
Lunch: Protein Shake and lowfat lasagna meal (sometimes mix in a day of rice and tuna... although I hate tuna)
After workout: Protein Shake w milk
Dinner: Depends, last night we didnt feel like cooking so had wendys ultimate chicken grill, w/side of chili and diet lemonade... 600 calories total, low fat and high protein

Alot of the changes are little changes, such as ordering water when I eat out as opposed to tea, cut down greatly on junk food, particularly candy... if it is not around, I wont eat it

Any changes I should make to this workout or diet to gain weight quicker?
 
[quote name='Number83']Is there any reason for this? If I've been doing it backwards I'm going to kick myself!!![/quote]
Hey! Our work-out schedules are nearly identical, except I usually just do about 20 minutes or so on the eliptical, and no basketball.

I've only heard that working your legs out before you work out helps a work out.

EDIT:

Actually our work out schedules are a bit different, since everyone else is posting them here's mine. Everyday I try to take 1 vitamin and shake w/ water before and after a workout:

Monday:
Eliptical 20 minutes
Workout - Chest & Back
Crunches

Tuesday:
Eliptical 20 Minutes
Workout - Arms & Shoulders
Reverse Crunches

Wednesday:
Short Eliptical run to get the heart moving
Workout - Legs & Back
Crunches

The schedule repeats until Sunday when I rest. I've been drinking strictly water (and the occassional beer) for over 3 years now, but have just recently changed the way I eat. I find it easier if you look for a source of protein instead of a meal when feeling hungry.
 
Well since everyone is posting their workout schedules here's mine:

Monday:
20 minutes of cardio (either on the treadmill or take a quick jog at the beach)
Workout - Arms (Triceps, Biceps and Forearms)
15-20 minutes of cardio again

Tuesday:
20 minutes of cardio
Workout - Shoulders
15-20 minutes of cardio

Wednesday:
20 minutes of cardio
Workout - Chest & Back
15-20 minutes of cardio

Thursday:
20 minutes of cardio
Workout - Legs
15-20 minutes of cardio

The cycle just repeats. Sometimes I switch up what I work on and sometimes I just combine the time of cardio in the morning or at night. Right now I weigh about 180lbs and I'm about 5'10. I'm not sure if my work schedule is great but hopefully I'm be able to continue this for a whole year, I usually tend to slack off in the winter.
 
I guess I should provide an update since it has been a few weeks. I weighed in today (I've been feeling pretty good all week - I think the protein is helping) and much to my surprise I lost another 2lbs.! I'm now down to 198 lbs. from 231 lbs. back in December.

My total weight loss now stands at 33 lbs.!

I think the fact that I haven't had a single drop of alcohol since New Year's Eve is one of the main reasons I feel so good. I'm missing it less and less (although there are times when an ice cold beer would be nice) and I'm wondering if I'll ever drink again. I know I won't go back to getting drunk 3 nights a week for sure but I'll probably have a drink or two every now and then. Football season is going to be tough though especially since the Giants have had a terrible off season and without Tiki the offense is probably doomed.
 
[quote name='daroga']Congrats Javery!

I'm down 18 lbs since the beginning of April. Feels super nice. :)[/quote]

Wow awesome daroga! It does feel great doesn't it? Whenever I lift a 30lb. weight at the gym I can't believe I used to carry it around with me everywhere I went. My wife wants to kill me though because she's gained 20 lbs. over the last 6 months because she's pregnant - she keeps saying I picked the worst possible time to get in shape! :D
 
[quote name='javeryh']Wow awesome daroga! It does feel great doesn't it? Whenever I lift a 30lb. weight at the gym I can't believe I used to carry it around with me everywhere I went. My wife wants to kill me though because she's gained 20 lbs. over the last 6 months because she's pregnant - she keeps saying I picked the worst possible time to get in shape! :D[/quote]hehe, yeah. I need to get back in the swing of working out, though. I haven't done much in the last two weeks as work has kept me plenty busy. Most of my weight loss has come jsut from eating normal amounts of food not GIANT PLATES full of crap. It's been months since I ate a whole restraunt portion. I'll often eat 1/2, almost feel ill, and then think "Good grief, I used to eat ALL of this?!"

Portion control + regular exercise = win
 
Just a suggestion and I am almost positive that its been mentioned.. To everyone who has the exact same schedule throughout the week... i.e. workout on days 1-6 and then take a same day off (i.e. Sunday).

You do realize that your body knows and prepares for that after a while correct?

When I was doing this pretty hard I tried to switch my off day every week or so. No reason to let your body get over the shock of the workout.

Daroga,

You obviously dont have to answer what was your starting weight?
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Just a suggestion and I am almost positive that its been mentioned.. To everyone who has the exact same schedule throughout the week... i.e. workout on days 1-6 and then take a same day off (i.e. Sunday).

You do realize that your body knows and prepares for that after a while correct?[/quote]

yeah but there's nothing I can do about it unfortunately. I work out M-F and take the weekends off. I just can't get away for 2 hours or whatever on a Saturday or Sunday. There's too much to do around the house and I like to spend time with the wife and kid anyway. Oh well.
 
[quote name='Snake2715'] Daroga,

You obviously dont have to answer what was your starting weight?[/quote]I was staring to get cloe to 260 (always above 255 on the scale when I'd get on :p), now I'm down to 241. I've stil lgot a ways to go, but it's coming off slowly and steadily, and more importantly, healthily. My goal is to be under the 200 mark, but for the end of the summer I have under 230 as my goal.

It's great when people start noticing. "Wow, did you lose a lot of weight? You look really good!" Cause it never comes off fast enough for me and I still think I look like a fat slob. Tough, I hide my weight a lot better than a lot of people I think. My gut isn't huge, but I have a decent amount of excess in my hips/thighs as well as my stomach area. Most people assume I'm around 200-210 to look at me. I wish! ;)

EDIT: stupid wireless keyboard spazzing out.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Just a suggestion and I am almost positive that its been mentioned.. To everyone who has the exact same schedule throughout the week... i.e. workout on days 1-6 and then take a same day off (i.e. Sunday).

You do realize that your body knows and prepares for that after a while correct?

When I was doing this pretty hard I tried to switch my off day every week or so. No reason to let your body get over the shock of the workout.

Daroga,

You obviously dont have to answer what was your starting weight?[/QUOTE]


Thats why I take a day off every 6th day... besides that my workouts are never the same, even my jogs at the park, I find different routes or hills over which to run every time I go there... I cant stand monotony, need the variety... its nice to get the honks and whistles as I run down the street as well, I just wish it wasnt so fucking hot when I ran, but its the only time I can

If I could just get a few more pounds on me Ill be really happy... because gaining weight is just as difficult (good weight) as losing it, I tend to lose weight when I dont work out and eat what I want... Im very odd
 
[quote name='zman73']If I could just get a few more pounds on me Ill be really happy... because gaining weight is just as difficult (good weight) as losing it, I tend to lose weight when I dont work out and eat what I want... Im very odd[/quote]Wanna trade places for a bit? ;)
 
I started a light workout schedule today. I'm not really obese, but I could lose about 10-15. Namely thanks to eating college cafeteria food for 3+ years. But my girlfriend is also trying to lose weight, so she's cooking us a lot of healthy food.

Today I did about 30 minutes of stretching/cardio, and then did 30 minutes of Wii Tennis hardcore, worked up a bit of a sweat. Nothing too outrageous, but damn did I feel good walking around today after.
 
I'm with you guys. Ive finally been back at the weight lifting after my damn broken wrist took 4 months of healing. I feel fantastic. Luckily I didn't get too out of shape in the four months, as I still did cardio, and muscle memory is a thing of beauty. My maxes are pretty much back to normal in only 3 or 4 weeks.

I have a diet and workout routine I created on my laptop. Ill post that later.

Also, don't be rediculous about the protein making you fat. Protein is essential, and it is really hard to get the correct amount each day in lean meat and such, so a supplement is usually a must. You should have 1.5 to 2 grams times your lean muscle mass each day in protein. In a normal day, I take 8 scoops of protein, I don't see any fat gain, but I am also very active and hit the gym pretty hard.

As for how my diet is going, I started out wanted to cut, but thats not really going so well. My muscles are coming back so fast its impossible for me to not gain weight. Ive gained about 8 lbs so far, while eating about 85% optimal diet (ya ya some cheating in there). But I feel great and look a hell of a lot better, in fact just got back from the beach. I'm 5'10 (maybe 5'11 on a good day), 197lbs, about 12% BF.
 
[quote name='afedock']I'm with you guys. Ive finally been back at the weight lifting after my damn broken wrist took 4 months of healing. I feel fantastic. Luckily I didn't get too out of shape in the four months, as I still did cardio, and muscle memory is a thing of beauty. My maxes are pretty much back to normal in only 3 or 4 weeks.

I have a diet and workout routine I created on my laptop. Ill post that later.

Also, don't be rediculous about the protein making you fat. Protein is essential, and it is really hard to get the correct amount each day in lean meat and such, so a supplement is usually a must. You should have 1.5 to 2 grams times your lean muscle mass each day in protein. In a normal day, I take 8 scoops of protein, I don't see any fat gain, but I am also very active and hit the gym pretty hard.

As for how my diet is going, I started out wanted to cut, but thats not really going so well. My muscles are coming back so fast its impossible for me to not gain weight. Ive gained about 8 lbs so far, while eating about 85% optimal diet (ya ya some cheating in there). But I feel great and look a hell of a lot better, in fact just got back from the beach. I'm 5'10 (maybe 5'11 on a good day), 197lbs, about 12% BF.[/QUOTE]

Im definantly NOT paranoid about the protein making ME fat, my protien levels were too low a few weeks into my workouts before I upped the protein intake... I take roughly about 4 scoops a day, plus a mid-morning snack of beef jerky (thank you Dollar tree for providing me handy 1.5 oz bags for a buck)... Im holding off on more protien because I still am trying to lower my body fat percentage (probably in the 11-12% range... Id like it about at the 7-8% I was at a few years ago :)
 
Just did a more detailed Fat Percentage calculator online and I have to say I'm surprised. I come in at about 17%, or average (or high-average depending on the chart). I was really thinking it was going to be through the roof.
 
[quote name='daroga']Just did a more detailed Fat Percentage calculator online and I have to say I'm surprised. I come in at about 17%, or average (or high-average depending on the chart). I was really thinking it was going to be through the roof.[/quote]

Could you link me to that site?

I've been working out pretty hard since the beginning of the year and am in great shape. I'm about 5'11" 165 pounds (down from about 180) and am trying to lose a little weight in my stomach while bulking at the same time (kinda tough to do both at once). Anyway, I think I'm going to start looking into taking creatine (I've been taking protein supplements here and there), anyone have any comments about it?
 
I'm thinking about working out this summer too, im like 5 feet 7 inches and weight 170 at the moment, yeah fatass ;_;, but people say i don't look fat so, whatever. I just don't feel healthy. I'm cutting out fast food and sugar out of my diet the best i can but I need to exercise too. I keep getting told to do cardiovascular exercises to get rid of my semi-belly, but not sure where to start since I don't have any equipment and am too hairy to wear shorts and run outside..
 
Yo, I have been back in the gym lately trying to get back into shape; I am doing both cardio and weight training. I used to take both creatine and protein supplements and am thinking about going back on something. I took a walk around GNC and noticed a lot of NO2 and creatine mix supplements and I was wondering if anyone has experience with them. I had no problems with creatine before but the NO2 stuff is new and I just want to know if anyone has experiences with this stuff.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Could you link me to that site?

I've been working out pretty hard since the beginning of the year and am in great shape. I'm about 5'11" 165 pounds (down from about 180) and am trying to lose a little weight in my stomach while bulking at the same time (kinda tough to do both at once). Anyway, I think I'm going to start looking into taking creatine (I've been taking protein supplements here and there), anyone have any comments about it?[/quote]

I took creatine a while back (10 years maybe) and it definitely works. I was maxing out at about 185 on the bench and I shot up to 275 in a few short weeks. It definitely bloats you and IMO it makes you look fat so that's why I quit.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I took creatine a while back (10 years maybe) and it definitely works. I was maxing out at about 185 on the bench and I shot up to 275 in a few short weeks. It definitely bloats you and IMO it makes you look fat so that's why I quit.[/quote]

Thanks for the info. I might try it for a little while, but I definitely don't want to get all bloated. It's also fairly expensive too, right?
 
Just give a search in Google to "Body Fat Calculator" and get more options than you could possibly ever use. But always good to have a few different options and average the results :)
 
[quote name='2Fast']Thanks for the info. I might try it for a little while, but I definitely don't want to get all bloated. It's also fairly expensive too, right?[/quote]


Part of the benefit of creatine is the water retention this is to lessen protein break down in the muscle. Most of the newer stuff (creatine ethyl esters, creatine citrate) cause some water retention in the muscle and less bloating overall. They are generally more expensive than monohydrate but if you look around you can find good deals. If someone took it 10 years ago they were using creatine monohydrate which is infamous for the bloating and looking swollen when on it and pissing all of that out when off. When I took it in the past I think I was able to workout harder, more often which is why I personally saw gains.
 
I started taking creatine about 3 weeks ago.

Let me put it this way. I used to run 10 minutes and get tired before the creatine...the past 5 days I ran on the beach for an hour straight every day.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Bought some creatine and more protein today. Is taking both at the same time going to be overkill?[/QUOTE]

From what I've looked into, you don't even have to bother with the loading phase. Just take a teaspoon a hour before you workout, and you'll be fine. Don't bother taking it unless you're working out.

After 2 months of use, take a month off for a break.

As for the protein, it's just a supplement in your diet. I eat a ton of chicken and tuna, so I don't bother taking powder protein anymore.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Bought some creatine and more protein today. Is taking both at the same time going to be overkill?[/QUOTE]

No offense to Seanr1221, but definitely go through a loading phase or the creatine doesn't work. Did you buy just a tub of creatine monohydrate? If so, take 5 grams, 5 times a day, for 5 days. Try to split out the dosages around 3 to 4 hours apart, and try to time your workout right so you have to take a dose right when you are done working out.

After you load, maintaining is easy. 5 grams when you wake up, 5-10 grams right after you are done working out. Reload every 6-8 weeks. Some people like taking breaks in between loads (like a week break) but there isn't any proof that this has any benefit, so experiment and see what works best for you.
 
[quote name='afedock']No offense to Seanr1221, but definitely go through a loading phase or the creatine doesn't work. Did you buy just a tub of creatine monohydrate? If so, take 5 grams, 5 times a day, for 5 days. Try to split out the dosages around 3 to 4 hours apart, and try to time your workout right so you have to take a dose right when you are done working out.

After you load, maintaining is easy. 5 grams when you wake up, 5-10 grams right after you are done working out. Reload every 6-8 weeks. Some people like taking breaks in between loads (like a week break) but there isn't any proof that this has any benefit, so experiment and see what works best for you.[/QUOTE]

I can ask my brother for the page next time he's online, but it went through the facts and myths of creatine, and called the loading phase a myth (which I'm inclined to believe since I didn't do it and I already run for 50 minutes longer) and over 20 grams a day can be damaging to your kidneys.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']I can ask my brother for the page next time he's online, but it went through the facts and myths of creatine, and called the loading phase a myth (which I'm inclined to believe since I didn't do it and I already run for 50 minutes longer) and over 20 grams a day can be damaging to your kidneys.[/quote]

I've heard the same things from numerous people (especially about damaging kidneys).
 
[quote name='seanr1221']I can ask my brother for the page next time he's online, but it went through the facts and myths of creatine, and called the loading phase a myth (which I'm inclined to believe since I didn't do it and I already run for 50 minutes longer) and over 20 grams a day can be damaging to your kidneys.[/QUOTE]

HEALTH RELATED CONCERNS/SAFETY

The most-documented adverse effect of creatine supplementation is an increase in body mass caused by increased water retention within the muscle. As previously mentioned, creatine is an osmotically active substance; thus increasing in intracellular creatine concentration may induce water into the cell (Wyss 2000). This increase in body mass can range from 1 to 3 kg following a 100g acute creatine loading (Greenhaff 1994, Balsom 1995, Rossiter 1996, Yquel 2002).

Anecdotally, creatine supplementation has been associated with an increased occurrence of heat illness, muscle cramping and a detrimental effect on renal function. However, these reports have only been anecdotal and in the examination of the literature presented in this review, no studies reported negative effects of creatine supplementation (aside from increases in body mass).

In fact recently, creatine supplementation’s effect on Cramping and Injury Incidence has been examined in Collegiate Football Players. Thirty-eight of 72 athletes participating in the 1999 Division IA collegiate football season from the same university volunteered to take creatine in a research study in the Journal of Athletic Training. The subjects utilized an acute loading period standardized to body mass for 5 days followed by a maintenance loading dose each day thereafter. Subjects trained, practiced, or played in environmental conditions ranging from 15 to 37 degrees celcius and 46.0% to 91.0% relative humidity. Injuries treated by the team’s athletic training staff were recorded and categorized as cramping, heat illness or dehydration, muscle tightness, muscle strains, non-contact joint injuries, contact injuries, and illness. The number of missed practices due to injury and illness was also recorded. The research found that the incidence of cramping or injury in these creatine using Division IA football players was significantly lower or proportional when compared with their non-creatine supplementing counterparts.

Kreider 2003 reported the effects of creatine monohydrate supplementation over a 21-month period on plasma markers of health and on urinary measures of renal function in a large sample size (n=98). Following the monitoring period subjects were classed into four categories, those who did not supplement with creatine, those who did so for 0-6 months, 6-12 months and 12-21 months. There were no differences in the blood and urine variables between groups with the exception of sodium, chloride and hematocrit levels which still remained with normal ranges. The authors deemed these changes to be of no physiological or health related significance. The study indicates that creatine supplementation for durations of up to 21 months does not acutely affect markers of health status and renal function in healthy athletes.

It appears then, that creatine supplementation, either through acute high-dose feeding for 5-7 days or through continuous low-dose feeding for 21-28 days has no proven serious health implications.

link http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/creatineresearch12final.php

here a myth and fact article on creatine http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/creatine myths and_facts.php
 
[quote name='afedock']The most-documented adverse effect of creatine supplementation is an increase in body mass caused by increased water retention within the muscle.[/quote]

A friend of mine said, "You might as well be using a needle," when I asked him about creatine.
 
[quote name='Lobsterjohnson']A friend of mine said, "You might as well be using a needle," when I asked him about creatine.[/QUOTE]

I don't understand. Is he calling creatine a steroid? If so, don't listen to your friend about workout stuff.
 
[quote name='afedock']I don't understand. Is he calling creatine a steroid? If so, don't listen to your friend about workout stuff.[/quote]

No, he was just saying it's pretty bad for you.
 
I'm thinking getting a few dumbells for bicep/tricep training. Not so much to get massively ripped but just to tone up my arms a bit. I've been hunting around Amazon and such, but anyone know any good places with good prices?

A set that lets youy adjust the weight with plates would be really nice (and probably really pricey), but a set of weights between 15lbs and 35/40lbs would be good. It's probably not real cost effective fr em to get right now, but maybe in the not-too-distant future.
 
Sports Authority has an instore brand weight set, 100lbs in plates (from 2.5lbs to 10), 2 dumbell bars, and one longbar. Its goes for about $60-70, usually on sale. I picked one up last year along with a bench that set me back another $130. Its a nice basic set and the plates actually have handles on them too. Just head over and look for a something similar. The prices are fairly decent.
 
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