I'm bored, let's talk fighters 15th Anniversary Collection!

I was reading on another forum on a diffrent site, some fans of the DBZ Budokai series say Super DBZ can be difficult to play for people not used to the engine. I guess some DBZ fans have trouble doing a QCF + P instead of just Forward + P.

I read the IGN review and it said the game is based on the Manga not the Anime. Aren't they pretty much the same thing, with the same basic story. I know there might be extra stories for the anime (like Naruto) but I don't understand how it makes any difference?

Remember years ago when Toonami first started showing it (along with Tenchi and Sailor Moon) and blew up big? I knew a couple people that had to get home at like 5 PM everyday just watch DBZ. Since I knew the story years ahead of time I ruined it for em' by by blurting out whats gonna happen. For example: "Freeza doesn't die, he comes back as a half/cyborg but gets killed by Trunks who is Vegeta and Bulma's son from the future." or "Goku never dies, even when he's dead, he's still alive, and that's stupid." That would piss em' off.

Remember to keep your kids away from DBZ. Just say "NO" to DBZ!!!
 
the show just had a funny name to me and my fellow 13 year old buddies... "Dragon balls...lol"
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Nuby's got a Street Fighter Anniversary stick listed on their site now that uses Happ parts... would that be worth looking into for my first stick?[/QUOTE]

Do you know how much they charge for shipping? $89.99 + shipping might equal the cost of getting a stick builder to make you your own custom arcade stick.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Wasn't the original versions of DBZ supposedly quite violent, but Toonami drasticly edited?[/QUOTE]


There was some blood but it wasn't really that violent. Nothing on the level of Berserk or Gantz or Elfen Lied.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Do you know how much they charge for shipping? $89.99 + shipping might equal the cost of getting a stick builder to make you your own custom arcade stick.[/QUOTE]

There's one that's up on Amazon (though I'm not sure if it's the Happ version or the regular version) and the shipping on that is about $20... so at $110 would there be any alternatives I should consider?
 
[quote name='Supreme']Anyone mind givin me their opinion on the Bushido Blade games? Should I pick up 1, 2, or both?[/QUOTE]

I liked number 1 a lot-- the stages were huge and battles took a long time, if you played with someone who knew how to parry and dodge and all that. I couldn't get into Bushido Blade 2, the stages just weren't as good and they simplified it by taking out some key moves, stances, and injuries, iirc.
 
[quote name='Supreme']Anyone mind givin me their opinion on the Bushido Blade games? Should I pick up 1, 2, or both?[/QUOTE]

I just got a Bushido Blade 2 in a trade. I'd pick up the second one. More weapons, characters and modes. Have you ever played them before? It's made to be realistic (except they jump too damn high) so no life bars, if you hit a vital area like the head or heart, they're dead. You should find it pretty cheap also.
 
nah, i havent played them at all, but they look like the type of games ive been lookin for (realistic samurai sword fighting type of game). and yeah, im wathcin a couple of them on ebay, nothin too expensive. Bushido Blade 2 seems to be goin for more though.
 
asainxcore posted the link for the IGN review of Super DBZ above. I was also expecting higher reviews over Budokai, since now it's a real fighter, and not just cineimatics with button mashing.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Tekken: Dark Ressurection reviewed at IGN.

Gave it a 4.7.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/719/719836p1.html[/QUOTE]


I refuse to click the link. *insert generic rant about IGN* Eveyone knows Devil Within mode is what makes Tekken "Tekken" anyway.

okay, I'll be on DoA 4 tonight. I have to practice offline for a while first.
 
[quote name='Apossum']I refuse to click the link. *insert generic rant about IGN* Eveyone knows Devil Within mode is what makes Tekken "Tekken" anyway.

okay, I'll be on DoA 4 tonight. I have to practice offline for a while first.[/QUOTE]

I'll go on tonight then too... but I won't practice offline... hell no. I'll bring my KOF XI fighting style and Dream Cancels to DOA 4 and watch as I get crushed.

Oh... and they didn't give it a 4.7. They gave it a 9.2. I love trickery. If anyone's offended by it, I guess I can change the post to reflect the actual score...
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Oh... and they didn't give it a 4.7. They gave it a 9.2. I love trickery. If anyone's offended by it, I guess I can change the post to reflect the actual score...[/quote]

I decided to see the article before I said anything. No way Namco would drop the ball that much on one of their two flagship titles. :lol:
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I decided to see the article before I said anything. No way Namco would drop the ball that much on one of their two flagship titles. :lol:[/QUOTE]


Good. The intent was to have people actually read the review before reacting... sometimes I'm not sure if people actually do that anymore.
 
[quote name='Rodimus Donut']asainxcore posted the link for the IGN review of Super DBZ above. I was also expecting higher reviews over Budokai, since now it's a real fighter, and not just cineimatics with button mashing.[/quote]

well, how many game review sites and magazines do you trust enough to know how to play fighters?

for me? zero.

=P
 
[quote name='kainzero']well, how many game review sites and magazines do you trust enough to know how to play fighters?

for me? zero.

=P[/QUOTE]

I know a couple, but they're devoted just to fighting games.
 
I was kidding about not clicking the link...I hope you guys knew that :oops:
 
[quote name='Apossum']I refuse to click the link. *insert generic rant about IGN* Eveyone knows Devil Within mode is what makes Tekken "Tekken" anyway.

okay, I'll be on DoA 4 tonight. I have to practice offline for a while first.[/QUOTE]

Shoot me a request tonight sometime, I won't be on for a couple of hours though.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Shoot me a request tonight sometime, I won't be on for a couple of hours though.[/QUOTE]

Bah... we're playing now... I'll try and get on later though.
 
Castle Crusher looks okay... I fucking hate the designs of everything though and it doesn't look cool -- it looks like an ameteurish Flash game.

On a side note, I played some DOA 4 today (still really struggling to play it because I'm used to 2D fighting) and yeah... I'm doing alright. I played a few matches with 'Possum and I think I have a few more wins now. Roufuss was not difficult to win against, but I have a bit of an unfair advantage I suppose. Anyway, once you get a 360, Rolento, we can have somewhat ghetto CAG DOA tournaments which would be interesting.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Castle Crusher looks okay... I fucking hate the designs of everything though and it doesn't look cool -- it looks like an ameteurish Flash game.

[/QUOTE]


same thing here, but any news of a brawler to me will perk me up, even though it's usually disapointing... still waiting for Final Fight Streetwise to drop in price jus tso I can get back into Final Fight and get nausiated.

oh and more yakuza stuff... still is going from gold to shit pretty quickly: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/720/720044p1.html
 
[quote name='Chacrana']There's one that's up on Amazon (though I'm not sure if it's the Happ version or the regular version) and the shipping on that is about $20... so at $110 would there be any alternatives I should consider?[/QUOTE]

The only reason why I mentioned getting a custom stick was because of the price. At the price you would be paying for the SFA stick mod + shipping you have a bunch of alternatives. I would say the only reason to get the SFA stick was if you love the artwork (it's great) or if you needed that PS2/Xbox functionality. Maybe someone can elaborate on these sticks and help Chacrana out? :)

Hori Real Arcade Pro Stick:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-2-49-en-15-arcade+stick-70-5w3.html

Hori Real Arcade Pro Stick 2:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-7-49-en-15-arcade+stick-70-10up.html

Tekken 5 Bundle Stick:
http://www.dignews.com/admin/screenshoot/tekken_5_arcade_stick.jpg

Also if I am not mistaken, most if not all custom stick builders use quality parts such as Happ or Sanwa. I'm sure you can check the http://shoryuken.com/ forums for either stick builders or already made custom sticks for sale.
 
While I'm getting a better idea of what I need to look for in a stick I still feel somewhat clueless and a little bit like an idiot. Anyway, my (hopefully last) question is: If I'm playing a ton of Guilty Gear and sNK fighters, would it be beneficial to have the buttons that are placed at an angle (a la the Hori stick) or would I be fine with the SF stick where the buttons are all in a straight line?
 
GGs as always Chacrana, except for the matches I lost of course. Roufuss-- had to bounce, but I'll be on more this weekend.

hopefully I'll figure out why my connection suddenly sucks though. i've turned off windows firewall, and there's an "xbox" port setting on my router that I have switched on. my wireless stuff hasn't moved a bit either.
 
[quote name='Apossum']GGs as always Chacrana, except for the matches I lost of course. Roufuss-- had to bounce, but I'll be on more this weekend.

hopefully I'll figure out why my connection suddenly sucks though. i've turned off windows firewall, and there's an "xbox" port setting on my router that I have switched on. my wireless stuff hasn't moved a bit either.[/QUOTE]

No, my connection went shitty too.. Chacrana and I were playing games at 5 FPS. He still beat my ass, though... everytime I get on to practice I just play Frogger and Uno :(

I don't think it's your router though... it cleared up after 10 minutes or so. I got my mic working too!!

Thanks for the friend add too, I knew I missed someone from CAG. I've been thinking about getting a DoA 4 stick...
 
[quote name='Chacrana'] Roufuss was not difficult to win against, but I have a bit of an unfair advantage I suppose. .[/QUOTE]

I hate you.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']While I'm getting a better idea of what I need to look for in a stick I still feel somewhat clueless and a little bit like an idiot. Anyway, my (hopefully last) question is: If I'm playing a ton of Guilty Gear and sNK fighters, would it be beneficial to have the buttons that are placed at an angle (a la the Hori stick) or would I be fine with the SF stick where the buttons are all in a straight line?[/quote]

Buttons come down to preference. If you're used to ABCD being next to each other, the angle would definitely help seeing as it's hard to stretch your fingers across the straight line... but the newer games that use five buttons, it shouldn't matter if you use a setup like

BCD
AE

The major issue between Hori and the SF stick is the actual stick itself... IMO, American sticks tend to be a lot tighter than Japanese sticks... which I think is worse for games like GG which require constant airdashes using double taps.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']No, my connection went shitty too.. Chacrana and I were playing games at 5 FPS. He still beat my ass, though... everytime I get on to practice I just play Frogger and Uno :(

I don't think it's your router though... it cleared up after 10 minutes or so. I got my mic working too!!

Thanks for the friend add too, I knew I missed someone from CAG. I've been thinking about getting a DoA 4 stick...[/QUOTE]


it's something on my end, because I hardly get matches with 3 green bars when I search for games nowadays. before, Chacrana and I used to play with almost no lag since we live about 2 hours away from each other.

the weird thing was that our last few matches went into "turbo, anti-lag mode" and we were playing faster than the game goes offline :lol:
 
[quote name='kainzero']Buttons come down to preference. If you're used to ABCD being next to each other, the angle would definitely help seeing as it's hard to stretch your fingers across the straight line... but the newer games that use five buttons, it shouldn't matter if you use a setup like

BCD
AE

The major issue between Hori and the SF stick is the actual stick itself... IMO, American sticks tend to be a lot tighter than Japanese sticks... which I think is worse for games like GG which require constant airdashes using double taps.[/QUOTE]

Would the same thing apply to Happ's parts? The new SF stick has all Happ stuff, but if it's going to be a bit of a detriment to playing GG, I'll have to reconsider.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Would the same thing apply to Happ's parts? The new SF stick has all Happ stuff, but if it's going to be a bit of a detriment to playing GG, I'll have to reconsider.[/quote]

I wouldn't necessarily call it a detriment...

However, when I did go to a GGXX slash meet in SD, almost everyone had HRAPs or custom sticks with Sanwas. there was a really good player playing on a MAS (uses a happ-stick) though. I don't know if you know Sextaro from 3S vids but that was him playing on the MAS... but he also played Potemkin, and I don't think he moves very much =P When he played T5, he switched to the T5 stick though.
 
Hmm... right now it's between the Happ SF Stick, the HRAP, and the T5 stick (I saw one at my Gamestop earlier this morning for $70.

From what I can tell, the advantage that the SF stick would have is that scrubs could use it and not break it while the Hori sticks are more accurate... so it really makes the Japanese options seem a lot more enticing. Is there a major difference between the Tekken 5 stick and the HRAP and which one do ya'll suggest out of those two?

Edit: Actually, would it be wise to just get a Tekken stick for now since it's cheapest and still very functional rather than go all out and get the HRAP? I was thinking that it might not be a bad idea to get the Tekken stick now and then get a custom stick down the road when I get better at using a joystick.
 
We'll I'm not kain zero but the main difference between the tekken stick and the hrap is the actual stick. Hrap uses sanwa and tekken I dunno. I personally have both and I'll say that the tekken stick feels hella loose compared to the hrap. But if your looking to save the tekken stick is fine imo. I like playing 3s on it
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Hmm... right now it's between the Happ SF Stick, the HRAP, and the T5 stick (I saw one at my Gamestop earlier this morning for $70.

From what I can tell, the advantage that the SF stick would have is that scrubs could use it and not break it while the Hori sticks are more accurate... so it really makes the Japanese options seem a lot more enticing. Is there a major difference between the Tekken 5 stick and the HRAP and which one do ya'll suggest out of those two?

Edit: Actually, would it be wise to just get a Tekken stick for now since it's cheapest and still very functional rather than go all out and get the HRAP? I was thinking that it might not be a bad idea to get the Tekken stick now and then get a custom stick down the road when I get better at using a joystick.[/quote]
apok is right; the HRAP uses a Sanwa stick, whereas the T5 stick is a Hori stick.

The JPN sticks aren't necessarily more accurate... it's just more loose, which makes it easier to do double taps and such. While a lot of GG Slash players use HRAPs, it seems like a lot of Marvel players use MAS or other Happ-sticks, although to be fair you don't do a lot of double taps to dash.

From my experience, the HRAP's Sanwa joystick feels much lighter than the T5's Hori stick. The HRAP is also easily modifiable if you want to swap out buttons and sticks... like if something breaks. The T5 stick however, really has cost going for it, and personally I wouldn't pick the HRAP for $50 more unless I was a huge gaming enthusiast... which I am =P

The SF stick, modded with Happ is also good too, and might even be preferable for slower paced games. Chun's SA2 hit confirm, I think, would be easier on the SF stick because I tend to do the motions too fast on the HRAP because of the smaller gate...

I dunno, they're all good, the HRAPs and Happ counterparts are better than the T5 stick and more versatile, but the T5 stick is still good... it's kinda like buying basketball shoes. The best basketball shoes won't make you a lot better than the other guy, but it might be more comfortable and might make you play just a tad better.
But crappy basketball shoes aren't very good for anyone =P
 
Wow... that's a lotta info and a surprisingly good analogy. I think I'm going to go ahead and get the Tekken stick for now. I'm just trying to learn how to use a stick efficiently and when I get good with it, I'll move up to a custom stick or a HRAP. Considering that the Tekken stick is quite a bit cheaper, it seems like the best option at this point and I won't have to wait for shipping either which is nice. I decided against the Happ stick because I know that I'm going to want the Japanese style one at one point because I like what that style has to offer... so anyway, thanks to everyone who had input on this (lotta well informed people on here) and unless there's anything I'm really missing, I'll be getting the stick tomorrow morning (and maybe the DOA 4 one for the 360 if it's as cheap as some people have found it to be at Gamestop.)

Edit: Oh, forgot I'm a cheapass... any clearances or wicked deals I should know about?
 
Good luck Chacrana :) I hope you find an arcade stick that works out for you.

The custom stick that I'm currently having built is actually my first arcade stick since the SNES days. I was looking at all the different joysticks you could order, either here in the states or outside. Most if not all of the sticks I read up on, mentioned that it would be good to mod them with better parts to improve them. I decided then it would be worth it to just get a custom stick, since I don't know anything about modding. Also I thought the cost might equal to the same as getting one made for me.

http://www.draculax.de/gfx/superfamicom/capcom_fighter_power_stick1.jpg
That is the last arcade stick I bought :) I remember when SF first came out for SNES, I just had to have that joystick.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Good luck Chacrana :) I hope you find an arcade stick that works out for you.

The custom stick that I'm currently having built is actually my first arcade stick since the SNES days. I was looking at all the different joysticks you could order, either here in the states or outside. Most if not all of the sticks I read up on, mentioned that it would be good to mod them with better parts to improve them. I decided then it would be worth it to just get a custom stick, since I don't know anything about modding. Also I thought the cost might equal to the same as getting one made for me.

http://www.draculax.de/gfx/superfamicom/capcom_fighter_power_stick1.jpg
That is the last arcade stick I bought :) I remember when SF first came out for SNES, I just had to have that joystick.[/QUOTE]

So is there an image you're plastering on the front of your stick? That's always the most interesting part.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Wow... that's a lotta info and a surprisingly good analogy. I think I'm going to go ahead and get the Tekken stick for now. I'm just trying to learn how to use a stick efficiently and when I get good with it, I'll move up to a custom stick or a HRAP. Considering that the Tekken stick is quite a bit cheaper, it seems like the best option at this point and I won't have to wait for shipping either which is nice. I decided against the Happ stick because I know that I'm going to want the Japanese style one at one point because I like what that style has to offer... so anyway, thanks to everyone who had input on this (lotta well informed people on here) and unless there's anything I'm really missing, I'll be getting the stick tomorrow morning (and maybe the DOA 4 one for the 360 if it's as cheap as some people have found it to be at Gamestop.)

Edit: Oh, forgot I'm a cheapass... any clearances or wicked deals I should know about?[/QUOTE]

The DOA4 stick is cheap as Gamestop? How cheap? I think my G-stop still has 1...
 
Well I've been hearing $40 and one guy said $20 but he thought it could've been a wierd glitch. If it's $40, I'm going to think about getting one myself... at $20 I'll buy however many the store has.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']So is there an image you're plastering on the front of your stick? That's always the most interesting part.[/QUOTE]

Yup. The finished artwork was just sent to me a day or so ago.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k64/koi_stick/frank_stick.jpg

It's going to have a blue happ joystick and white happ buttons. All of that will be housed in a white box, with the start/select buttons mounted on the side.

Also does anyone know if there a difference between SF: 3rd Strike on PS2 and Dreamcast? Is one better than the other?
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Castle Crusher looks okay... I fucking hate the designs of everything though and it doesn't look cool -- it looks like an ameteurish Flash game.[/quote]
So you've never played Alien Hominid? ;)

[quote name='Rodimus Donut']
I was reading on another forum on a diffrent site, some fans of the DBZ Budokai series say Super DBZ can be difficult to play for people not used to the engine. I guess some DBZ fans have trouble doing a QCF + P instead of just Forward + P.

I read the IGN review and it said the game is based on the Manga not the Anime. Aren't they pretty much the same thing, with the same basic story. I know there might be extra stories for the anime (like Naruto) but I don't understand how it makes any difference?

Remember years ago when Toonami first started showing it (along with Tenchi and Sailor Moon) and blew up big? I knew a couple people that had to get home at like 5 PM everyday just watch DBZ. Since I knew the story years ahead of time I ruined it for em' by by blurting out whats gonna happen. For example: "Freeza doesn't die, he comes back as a half/cyborg but gets killed by Trunks who is Vegeta and Bulma's son from the future." or "Goku never dies, even when he's dead, he's still alive, and that's stupid." That would piss em' off.

Remember to keep your kids away from DBZ. Just say "NO" to DBZ!!!
[/QUOTE]
I think the manga references are due to the graphical look being more related to the manga than the show (sound effects literally appearing on screen and the look of the characters). It's pretty much that the game doesn't do anything outstanding in any department, but is overall a solid game for those not looking for BT2-level graphics or features. I might pick it up depending on sales since I know plenty of people that like the Budokai series, but want more to appeal to them as hardcore fighting fans. It'll take me some time to get used to the gameplay shift since I haven't played much 2D stuff since Street Fighter 2 on the SNES over 10 years ago. :lol:
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']So you've never played Alien Hominid? ;)


I think the manga references are due to the graphical look being more related to the manga than the show (sound effects literally appearing on screen and the look of the characters). It's pretty much that the game doesn't do anything outstanding in any department, but is overall a solid game for those not looking for BT2-level graphics or features. I might pick it up depending on sales since I know plenty of people that like the Budokai series, but want more to appeal to them as hardcore fighting fans. It'll take me some time to get used to the gameplay shift since I haven't played much 2D stuff since Street Fighter 2 on the SNES over 10 years ago. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I guess that makes some sense. If they do the comic style box framing then that'll also make more sense. Like JoJo's Bizzare Adventure and Jump Superstars. I did take a peek in the strategy guide for Super DBZ. I was expecting more moves for each character, but that really doesn't mean anything about how the game plays.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Yup. The finished artwork was just sent to me a day or so ago.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k64/koi_stick/frank_stick.jpg

It's going to have a blue happ joystick and white happ buttons. All of that will be housed in a white box, with the start/select buttons mounted on the side.

Also does anyone know if there a difference between SF: 3rd Strike on PS2 and Dreamcast? Is one better than the other?[/QUOTE]

the dreamcast version has some bugs and slowdowns. The Ps2 version is more arcade prefect.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Wow... that's a lotta info and a surprisingly good analogy. I think I'm going to go ahead and get the Tekken stick for now. I'm just trying to learn how to use a stick efficiently and when I get good with it, I'll move up to a custom stick or a HRAP. Considering that the Tekken stick is quite a bit cheaper, it seems like the best option at this point and I won't have to wait for shipping either which is nice. I decided against the Happ stick because I know that I'm going to want the Japanese style one at one point because I like what that style has to offer... so anyway, thanks to everyone who had input on this (lotta well informed people on here) and unless there's anything I'm really missing, I'll be getting the stick tomorrow morning (and maybe the DOA 4 one for the 360 if it's as cheap as some people have found it to be at Gamestop.)

Edit: Oh, forgot I'm a cheapass... any clearances or wicked deals I should know about?[/quote]
outpost.com has the t5 package w/ stick for $50 before shipping, since you guys don't have fry's and can't pick it up b&m.

but since it's kinda heavy, i don't know if it'll be cheaper than that GS deal.
 
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