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Maybe it's just me, but i liked NXT, what they were doing with Daniels, and Cole's heelish persona. In a way, i feel like WWE is saying "OK smarks, we know what you want, and we're gonna give it to you. Realize that this isn't what we really want, but we'll run with it anyway." Because seriously, before the show aired, you guys were all hype for Jericho vs Daniels. And WWE knows this. At the same time, I'm sure that they'd rather be doing something different than having some scrubs on TV wrestling some of their top names.
 
[quote name='Chronis']Maybe it's just me, but i liked NXT, what they were doing with Daniels, and Cole's heelish persona. In a way, i feel like WWE is saying "OK smarks, we know what you want, and we're gonna give it to you. Realize that this isn't what we really want, but we'll run with it anyway." Because seriously, before the show aired, you guys were all hype for Jericho vs Daniels. And WWE knows this. At the same time, I'm sure that they'd rather be doing something different than having some scrubs on TV wrestling some of their top names.[/QUOTE]


I really enjoyed NXT. I just think Byran has a weird smarmy disposition that would be better as heel after a few months.
 
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STOP CALLING HIM DANIELS.

I disliked the match and hated the show, but you shouldn't be allowed to criticize a guy if you can't get his name right.

(Christopher) Daniels= TNA
Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan= WWE

And I know he's not even trying to be taken seriously, but WrexManor is the worst poster ever.
 
Looking around, the highest rated Raw segment ever was The Rock/Mankind "This is your Life" with 8.4, but the highest show average was 5/10/99 with an 8.1. Main event was Undertaker/Triple H/Shane vs. Rock/Austin/Vince with HBK as the ref
 
I just watched part of NXT, and it blows my mind how much better Michael Cole is as a heel announcer.

Edit: And that's the first time I've seen Jericho do the Lion Tamer in a LONG time, as opposed to that garbage, glorified Boston Crab.
 
I was kind of shocked the announced Bryan is being from Aberdeen, WA and not the gimmicky Las Vegas that his bio says.

I will mark out the first time he puts someone in the Cattle Mutilation. I secretly hope it's Miz.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']The first edition of The Main Event in 1988. It had a 15.2 rating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_The_Main_Event

That's a lot of fucking people watching the same wrestling show. Raw these days struggles to get 25% of that number.[/QUOTE]

Wow I would have never guessed a show back in 1988 would have such a high rating. If I had to guess I was going to say a show during the attitude era would have been the highest.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I was kind of shocked the announced Bryan is being from Aberdeen, WA and not the gimmicky Las Vegas that his bio says.

I will mark out the first time he puts someone in the Cattle Mutilation. I secretly hope it's Miz.[/QUOTE]
I really hope they let him use Cattle Mutilation. It's a great looking submission, and really, WWE is pretty lacking in that. Up until last night, Jericho typically just does a Boston Crab, and Cena's STF looks like absolute shit.
 
Jericho busts out the Liontamer against smaller guys mostly nowadays - Rey is a frequent victim of it, and Jericho needing to resort to it against Danielson does nothing but help AmDrag, who is also featured in a bunch of the PWG Sells Out Vol 1 +2 sets.
 
All it takes to get the Mutilation over is the right guy to sell it. It's a brutal looking move that can pretty much be used on anyone. With them pushing him as a submission artist, it gives me hope we'll see it. Simple, quick, and effective. Miz or Santino screaming and crying while in it would be great.
 
Double post thanks to the mobile browser and lack of edit button, but Bryans Wiki page lists his WWE finisher as a heel hook. Anyone seen his FCW matches to know of he's actually used it or is it something someone edited following last nights match with Jericho?
 
It'll probably be like the diva search in a way. Some will be called up to the main roster, some will be released, and others may go back to developmental.
 
[quote name='Brak']Edit: And that's the first time I've seen Jericho do the Lion Tamer in a LONG time, as opposed to that garbage, glorified Boston Crab.[/QUOTE]

I hadn't thought of that - indeed, he doesn't hold opponents vertically very often anymore.

As for Cattle Mutliation, I'd love to see him use it, however I'm less willing to listen to all the whiny motherfuckers who scream outrage, balderdash and revolution when WWE changes the name for it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']As for Cattle Mutliation, I'd love to see him use it, however I'm less willing to listen to all the whiny motherfuckers who scream outrage, balderdash and revolution when WWE changes the name for it.[/QUOTE]

burger maker = new finisher?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I hadn't thought of that - indeed, he doesn't hold opponents vertically very often anymore.

As for Cattle Mutliation, I'd love to see him use it, however I'm less willing to listen to all the whiny motherfuckers who scream outrage, balderdash and revolution when WWE changes the name for it.[/QUOTE]

Just so long as it's nothing completely stupid. When they stopped calling Christian's finished The Unprettier and changed to The Killswitch, thought that was a really good substitute, and I can use either term interchangeably.
 
[quote name='Pure Apathy']Wow I would have never guessed a show back in 1988 would have such a high rating. If I had to guess I was going to say a show during the attitude era would have been the highest.[/QUOTE]

Not to crap on what was a huge number for them and not to get into a lengthy post about how a 15.2 share then is different from a 15.2 now, but it was easier to get a 15.2 back then. If a WWE network show got a 15.2 share now, it would easily be the most impressive thing they've ever done.

[quote name='pimpster4183']NXT scored a 1.7 for the debut episode.. wonder how much of a drop in ratings for next weeks show?[/QUOTE]

Share/score ≠ number of viewers. The score was closer to a 1.3, which is slightly better than ECW was doing. The 1.7 (million) is the number of viewers.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Not to crap on what was a huge number for them and not to get into a lengthy post about how a 15.2 share then is different from a 15.2 now, but it was easier to get a 15.2 back then. If a WWE network show got a 15.2 share now, it would easily be the most impressive thing they've ever done.[/QUOTE]

Even so, that 15.2 wouldn't translate down to an 8.x (which I think was the highest rating during the Monday Night Wars).
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Even so, that 15.2 wouldn't translate down to an 8.x (which I think was the highest rating during the Monday Night Wars).[/QUOTE]

hooked on mathematical phonics did not apparently work on you...

oh hohohohohoho.. do you see what I did there?

i took a hooked on phonics joke and made it about math! you got pwned, good sir! sorry to ruin your day.

i think about the ratings, vince should take a break. maybe go fishing with shane. then when he comes back - he will be super refreshed and come up new storylines. his brain is too hard wired right now and needs a soft reset.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']taste is taste and you're certainly entitled to that - but allow me to pry and ask why this is the case?

(granted, I feel the same way about that Al Jolson lookin' motherfucker that CM Punk is saddlebagged with.)[/QUOTE]
Unlike a lot of yall, I've never seen the guy before. And I didn't want to because I wanted unbiased eyes.

The guy I saw didn't look like a wrestler. That matters. You gotta look the part. I'm not saying dude needs to get a 12 pack or anything drastic...but he looked like a part time wrestler who probably has a profession of professional WOW player. A CAW

He didn't sound like a wrestler. He was just unappealing. That's the difference between the Miz and ol buddy. Miz makes you want to react. This guy....nah.

Now, his wrestling was short, but I like how the WWE had the world champ wrestle ol buddy and there wasn't any sparks flying through the short match. The best spot was Jericho slamming him into the table!


Overall, I wouldn't spend time looking for him honestly. Some people look it/some people don't. It's just like Evan Bourne to me. Yea, I know he can wrestle. And that's beautiful how he can do all those high spots. But....he just doesn't impress me! If in a few months he became IC/US champion, I'd be mad. Just like the current SD champ. That Drew guy doesn't impress me neither.....looks like HHH 2.0!

Maybe ol buddy will grow on me and I'll go "Oh, I'm impressed". Right now though, I could care less
 
Interesting perspective.

I've always thought there aren't many folks who don't "look like" wrestlers. You have so many heights, weights, shapes and sizes. Dan Spiveys to Dusty Rhodes to Ivan Putskis to Sal E Grazianos to Road Warriors to Playboy Buddy Roses, Goldbergs, Giants, and Rey Mysterios.

I don't think Mysterio could bodyslam Big Show, but that doesn't make him not look like a wrestler.

Now, if your point is that his appearance is generic (generic tights, generic physique, haircut, relatively bland promo style), I can give you that. Again, your taste is your taste. I've always hoped for a few folks to come into wrestling to make it look like a *sport* again. I know it's not, but I'm ready to suspend my disbelief. Not everyone needs pyro, or shit all over their tights, or "HOW D'YA LIKE ME NOW!" rockin' entrance themes. If Danielson's character is "I'm here, I'm a wrestler and I wrestle," that makes him stand out compared to catchphrases and whatnot. Danielson's major weakness on NXT was during his promo, as he lacked the projection needed to engage with a crowd of 10,000 or so. That's an acting thing, not a wrestling thing. But still vital in this era of wrestling.

I see different in him. And I like it. I see him on one side of the spectrum of "You need charisma, and a look, and a character, and whatever else" to be a wrestler. And I see Darren Young waaaaayyy on the other side of the spectrum, going so far in one direction so as to be a magnificent bastardization of what a 'sportz entertainer' should be.

But I'm old-timey like that. I wish for more in-ring stuff every week. I hate 15-minute segments with full entrances, lines forced out like play-doh through the fun factory, stipulations for main events that never have full resolutions, villainous managers/owners (especially this: Austin/McMahon made some sense, but 10 years of vengeful/manipulative GMs and McMahons is redundant and boring, and the whole premise - I'm deliberately sabotaging the career of my biggest company cash cow - is absolutely preposterous). I want to see a no-commercial 8-10 minute match that tells a story. I rarely ever get that on Raw.

Truth be told I sometimes think Rob Van Dam ruined *everything* about modern wrestling matches. But I'll save that spiel for another day.
 
I'll take a guy like Danielson who comes off as "bland" over a guy like Cena spouting lines like "I'm not a dentist, but I'll fix that smile for you" every day of the fucking week.
 
The Miz was getting ribbed on backstage a lot by his co-workers about being picked to mentor Daniel Bryan on NXT. Sources say that after this week's NXT premiere, Vince McMahon felt that they had already made Bryan into a star in one night with the Miz interaction and the main event with Chris Jericho.
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Take that for what it is, dirt sheet rumors.
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']I'll take a guy like Danielson who comes off as "bland" over a guy like Cena spouting lines like "TEH CHAMP IZ HERE!!!11!1" every day of the fucking week.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a mod, but I'll edit that post for you.
 
[quote name='HydroX']I'm not a mod, but I'll edit that post for you.[/QUOTE]
Haha, thanks. Yeah, that's exactly my point. Not every single wrestler has to be completely over the top. Not every promo has to be completely full of cliches and stupid ass catchphrases.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Take that for what it is, dirt sheet rumors.[/QUOTE]

I hope that they're just working the dirt sheet crowd, building up tension b/w Miz/Danielson such that we think it extends beyond "Tee-Vee" and thus suspend our disbelief.

The next boom period of wrestling will require that the wall separating dirt sheets and programs be busted down like a motherfucker. right now WWE and TNA's tv offerings are too corny and two dimensional and lack the drama that you get from dirt sheets.
 
So I was sitting around bored and decided to catch up on some episodes of Psych... totally forgot John Cena was in one of the more recent ones -- which got me thinking, does anyone remember HHH on Pacific Blue? This was the only clip I could find on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKlHxEwXyYw

HBK was also in an episode, which there are several youtube results for.

Ninja edit: and yes, the DX theme was playing in the actual episode. I remember watching it back in the day. It was not added by the poster of the video.
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']I don't even remember Pacific Blue.[/QUOTE]

It was one of USA Network's cheesy shows during the Attitude Era. Thankfully they have a lot better quality shows on nowadays, but some of them are still pretty cheesy. :cold:
 
I do remember USA having a lot of pretty awful shows back in the late 90's. They do have some pretty decent shows on now though. Psych isn't bad, and I like Burn Notice pretty well. I've heard good things about White Collar, but I've never watched it.
 
Matt Morgan just cut an excellent promo. Very basic stuff, but done well and done in a short period of time. Wrestling needs more of this and less in-ring time-dragging garbage.
 
I'm not watching TNA at the moment but something just sprang to mind.

Where did the in-ring promo start? Off the top of my head I'd guess with the nWo and their huge gatherings but I'm not positive.

Actually, I guess Hall kind of started it with the whole coming out of the crowd in WCW and grabbing a mic. The only place he could cut a promo (because he wasn't "employed" by WCW) was in the ring.
 
I think that sounds about right. nWo really pushed it into overdrive and then it seems like these days no wrestling show dare start off with a wrestling match.

It's not that they're worse, but they're such time-wasters with full-entrances, long pauses for crowd responses, more entrances when more people come out, and they just tend to be written in a way where they consistently take three times longer than necessary to get a point across.

I feel the same way about 'contract signing' segments - they're useful every now and then, but they only work in very specific contexts.

On that note, it's 9:57 on my cable box and Eric Bischoff just walked out to his own theme song and video for an in-ring promo. Let's check the time again when this segment ends.
 
Myke I'm rather disappointed you aren't cheering UK on against the only team that they've lost to this season.
 
i greatly prefer college ball to nba, but i'm more football and hockey.

and to be fair, it's more that I despise UK fans. i have a longwinded reason why, but i'll leave it at that for now.

but i am a cincy grad, so i'm a bearcat fan when it gets down to it. a small sliver of space where everyone to my south is a wildcat fan and everyone to my north a buckeye fan. makes me wanna puke. ;)

EDIT: Man, the backstage promos have been on fire tonight. Tara did an admirable job during the Daffney/ODB match, Morgan was great w/ Hernandez in the D-Von role of just pitching out a catchphrase, and now Abyss was just excellent as well. Strangely enough, for as much as people say he's all talk and not much in the ring, Ken Anderson's promo was an entertaining as a bed-wetting.
 
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