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Maria is nice eye candy, true, but I have never been a fan of her in-ring work. Coincidentally, I never took to the 'Hurricane' gimmick, though it did good for Greg Helms and he did well with the gimmick. I would love a return of the name 'Sugar' Shane Helms. 'Greg Helms' would work. I just don't like the name 'Gregory', apparently.

Paul Burchill, well, is not too surprising. With the ECW show closing and new talent being brought up, it makes sense that WWE would have to cut some fat. Hopefully, Paul gets a chance to do things his way when he first debuts in TNA.

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I just watched the TNA promo for March 8 regarding TNA moving to Mondays. Is there a reason why Abyss is teamed with Hogan?
 
Burchill should have been released years ago.

I think he's a very good mat wrestler and I adore the curb stomp as a finisher. But he's been given nothing creatively for what feels like half a decade.
 
[quote name='Chase']
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I just watched the TNA promo for March 8 regarding TNA moving to Mondays. Is there a reason why Abyss is teamed with Hogan?[/QUOTE]

He's getting the Hogan rub.

As for the release, I wonder if they'll drop the Burchill part of Katie Lea's name? Hopefully this also means they'll release that one tag team on ECW that had matching attire(can't even think of their names) & Zack Ryder.
 
Abyss 2010 = Evad Sullivan from 1990-whatever.

EDIT: Oh fo sho those fuckin' ECW jobbers should get shitcanned and go back to whatever bullshit Nebraska Boomer Sooner hee-haw indy promo they came from. Take Tyler Reks and his surfboard with yeh.
 
I'm thinking Helms in TNA is a done deal with Hardy and Moore there. He'd be a solid addition to their roster even if he dumped the Hurricane gimmick. I think that's the biggest thing holding him back - he's been stuck with it so long it's gotten tired.

While I love Burchill as a wrestler, he's been spinning his wheels in WWE with no direction. Wouldn't surprise me to see him in TNA, but I don't see where he fits in.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Cant the WWE keep Maria and get rid of Roidtista and Cripple H?[/QUOTE]
Do you actually think people buy tickets to WWE shows to see Maria?
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']He's getting the Hogan rub.

As for the release, I wonder if they'll drop the Burchill part of Katie Lea's name? Hopefully this also means they'll release that one tag team on ECW that had matching attire(can't even think of their names) & Zack Ryder.[/QUOTE]


Oh. Well, that makes something resembling something, then. :whistle2:k

And yes, the team of Croft and something should be released, as well as Tyler Reks. Oh, and Abraham Washington. Arrgh.

[quote name='mykevermin']Abyss 2010 = Evad Sullivan from 1990-whatever.[/QUOTE]


I agree. I've seen a lot of "modern day Abyss is equivalent to Eugene" posts--and they're right on the money. Modern day Abyss --is-- Evad Sullivan. All Abyss is missing is a WrestleCrap entry.
 
Maria clearly isn't winning CA since she's been released. Considering 3 releases so close together and at this time, I wouldn't be surprised if WWE's fiscal year end on 2/28.

JJSP, did you know you have double posts 27 minutes apart? Weird.
 
*good* review?

yeesh. anybody with a copy of iMovie and the proclivity to use nothing but internet parlance to pepper his reactions can make a review this "good."
 
Helms and Birchill being released isn't surprising, as the latter had to be on thin ice since the arrest and Birchill simply wasn't being used, but Maria's release is unexpected. You'd think they'd at least keep her around until the end of Celebrity Apprentice. Scott's release bums me out a bit because he was an awesome ref and perfectly-used in the Punk angle. Hopefully TNA uses him and replaces the annoying goober who wears shorts and overshadows the wrestlers.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Still hard to believe Luke Gallows and Festus were the same person. Best. Makeover. Ever.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget Fake Kane before that, and the "Freakin Deacon" in FCW. Just goes to show you that getting saddled with several shitty gimmicks ain't the end of your career.

Random thought that just popped into my head - I understand the 'pro/rookie' dichotomy on NXT, but I'd also like to see some interaction from the older dudes on the road. Ricky Steamboat or Dean Malenko overseeing Miz/Danielson.

I'd also like to see something more tangible in a 'reality show' sense. It's a reality show but it's not, since nobody appears to be getting booted off, there are no judges, no challenges, and no real sense of how each person is doing relative to others. In terms of planning/implementation, it strikes me as half-baked and rushed out the door. Par for the WWE course.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Where have you been for the past few weeks?[/QUOTE]

Busy with work/girlfriend/vidya games... but I have been catching up with TNA at least. I've always preferred TNA to WWE... not sure why, maybe it's just cuz they're the underdog.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']*good* review?

yeesh. anybody with a copy of iMovie and the proclivity to use nothing but internet parlance to pepper his reactions can make a review this "good."[/QUOTE]

Then don't watch it and move on.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Random thought that just popped into my head - I understand the 'pro/rookie' dichotomy on NXT, but I'd also like to see some interaction from the older dudes on the road. Ricky Steamboat or Dean Malenko overseeing Miz/Danielson.[/QUOTE]

Grizzled vet/pro/rookie? I can dig it; however, I doubt 90% of WWE's current audience knows what a Dean Malenko is.
 
[quote name='neocisco']Grizzled vet/pro/rookie? I can dig it; however, I doubt 90% of WWE's current audience knows what a Dean Malenko is.[/QUOTE]


"Bert, you watched sports entertainment for several years. Who is that guy? He's real small. He probably can't do half the moves Randy Orton can do in the ring. He must be an old-time Hornswoggle."

"Ernie, I have watched a lot of sports entertainment and even some old WWE DVDs back when they called it 'pro wrestling'. I have watched WWE since 2003--and even I don't know who this guy is. I do know that every time a superstar dies, he's on the entrance ramp crying, like when Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero died. He must have wrestled their fathers."
 
[quote name='Chase']"Bert, you watched sports entertainment for several years. Who is that guy? He's real small. He probably can't do half the moves Randy Orton can do in the ring. He must be an old-time Hornswoggle."

"Ernie, I have watched a lot of sports entertainment and even some old WWE DVDs back when they called it 'pro wrestling'. I have watched WWE since 2003--and even I don't know who this guy is. I do know that every time a superstar dies, he's on the entrance ramp crying, like when Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero died. He must have wrestled their fathers."[/QUOTE]
Pathetically, you're almost completely accurate on that.
 
I'm going to admit I used to watch wrestling and try out the moves on my friends and little sister when I was younger. The Texas Cloverleaf was one she did not take too kindly to. :oops:
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']Pathetically, you're almost completely accurate on that.[/QUOTE]


Yes, sir. I wish WWE allowed continuity. There is so much history they could tap.

[quote name='PhrostByte']I'm going to admit I used to watch wrestling and try out the moves on my friends and little sister when I was younger. The Texas Cloverleaf was one she did not take too kindly to. :oops:[/QUOTE]


Didn't we all do that? I hope so. :oops:

The Diamond Cutter was popular in middle school. In earlier years, it was the Sharpshooter and Perfect-Plex. :oops: :oops:
 
Yeah, that kid is very annoying. After he spoke-down the Undertaker-Michaels video package, which was a solid presentation, I had to close the tab with his video review. The kid doesn't have enough years as a fan to speak so poorly of the product.
 
So I finally went through the entire Rise and Fall of WCW set. The first disc with the history behind WCW was pretty good. My biggest problem is that they only interviewed people who were already involved in WWE, like Bischoff and Dusty. This was the biggest problem on the match discs also. I wish there were more "WCW guys" presented, not just "WWE guys who worked for WCW." Seriously, would it really kill Vince to find Tony Schivone and JoJo Dillon and have them give some of their eperience with WCW? Hell, I wouldn't mind if they threw in Mean Gene and Michael Buffer just for some other prespectives.

Disc 2 had a lot of good older matches. This whole disc was before my time as a wrestling fan, so it was a little weird and even boring for me to watch these matches I had no connection to. At least most of the wrestlers are some name brand guys though. That didn't make Dusty versus Barry Windham easier to watch though. There was a good 5+ minutes of nothing but Barry with the claw on Dusty.

Disc 3 is was all about the nostalgia for me. Though the match selection in this disc is strange. There are a lot of short random matches here. Matches that aren't really special but stood for something at the time. Like the openning match of Flair versus The Giant. It was only a few minutes long and wasn't all that great. But it signified the world title finally moving on to younger guys. It was actually weird to hear Schivone say Big Show was only 24 during this match, especially since he looked older back then than he looks now. There was also the Fall Brawl double ring cage match between team WCW and team nWo. The match was fine, despite the fact that it seemed bad fundmentally. But it really made me miss the days of the double and triple ring. Jericho versus Quasijuice Guerrera for the mask was there. I completely forgot what Juvi's mask looked like. After that was Steiners versus Outsiders. Another of those "significant" matches, as basically it was Scott turning his back on Rick and joining the red and black. Page & Malone versus Hogan and Rodman was.... interesting. Rodman did not seem interested at all. Hell, he wouldn't even stay in the ring after he got a tag. He'd do a team move with Hogan, then go back on the apron. Malone, on the other hand, got into it, but he stuttered on some of his moves. Especially nowadays, seeing Orton RKO in a flash, Malone's hesitation to hit several Diamon Cutters really showed. There was also Lance Storn rocking 3 now-Canadian belts versus Booker T. I'm not exactly sure why this match was there, aside from the hilarity of seeing the triple Canada champ.

Overall, like I said for disc 1, I just wish they featured matches with more WCW guys. Like Sting. There were a few Sting matches on disc 1, but the only one on disc 2 was the Team WCW/nWo match. There was no Crow Sting at all, despite him being prominent on the cover. Also, there is a disturbing lack of Macho Man on this collection, despite him fueding with Hogan during the early nWo days. Hell, there was no Wolfpac versus white and black either. Oh, and there is only 1 Goldberg match, and it is against DDP. For a guy that was undefeated for over 150 matches, I think he deserved some more spotlight. actually really wanted his match with Saturn to be in here, since that was hyped up pretty big a Goldberg match during the middle of the streak.
 
[quote name='Chronis']Seriously, would it really kill Vince to find Tony Schivone and JoJo Dillon and have them give some of their eperience with WCW? Hell, I wouldn't mind if they threw in Mean Gene and Michael Buffer just for some other prespectives.[/QUOTE]

Of course it would. Aside from the fact that it's cheaper to just film the dudes who are already in the arena/studio for a DVD release, remember the tunnel vision WWE operates under. I don't really think WWE consciously decides to make a "WWE version of history" in their releases. In reality, it's more like WWE believes they provide comprehensive narratives that accurately reflect how the business was.

Short version: they don't do it because they believe their own bullshit is factual history.
 
[quote name='Chase']"Bert, you watched sports entertainment for several years. Who is that guy? He's real small. He probably can't do half the moves Randy Orton can do in the ring. He must be an old-time Hornswoggle."

"Ernie, I have watched a lot of sports entertainment and even some old WWE DVDs back when they called it 'pro wrestling'. I have watched WWE since 2003--and even I don't know who this guy is. I do know that every time a superstar dies, he's on the entrance ramp crying, like when Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero died. He must have wrestled their fathers."[/QUOTE]

:lol: Well put. I actually lol'd at the last line.
 
The most they will know of Dean Malenko is that he tried to nail Lita once.


On that kid's review - I shut the video off as soon as he said Jericho wasn't "entertaining like he used to be"
 
[quote name='neocisco']:lol: Well put. I actually lol'd at the last line.[/QUOTE]


*bows* ;)

[quote name='diddy310']The most they will know of Dean Malenko is that he tried to nail Lita once.


On that kid's review - I shut the video off as soon as he said Jericho wasn't "entertaining like he used to be"[/QUOTE]


Yeah, that line also did not sit well with me. Mega-heel Jericho is great character development and one of the best things to happen to pro wrestling in the last decade.

'Watching SmackDown. The Miz has talent--but not as much charisma as he thinks he has. I wish he made his character a bit lighter. I think the Miz is too serious right now.

CM Punk, Matt Striker, Big Show, and Chris Jericho: The best parts of modern day WWE.

And, after watching the Michaels-'Taker video package on SmackDown, is anyone else excited about their match at WrestleMania? I am actually hyped.
 
Big Show is hilarious. CM Punk is incredible as a heel. Seeing how well he played the heel in ROH, WWE did a really good job of taking it to a whole new level. Matt Striker is a really, really good announcer and I wish he was on RAW instead of Cole. Jericho is and always has been an incredible talent.
 
[quote name='gareman']That was awful. That kid has the cocky nerd line delivery like ever word that comes out of his mouth is comedic gold.[/QUOTE]

Somehow I just now noticed I forgot to put the ;) at the end of the "good review" sentence. I meant it in a sarcastic tone that the review is good. :lol:
 
I just watched Ready to Rumble for the first time since I seen it in theaters when it came out. I truly forgot how terrible that movie was. To be fair though, when it was in theaters I was like 13-14 years old. Only real good part was seeing Sting "punch" David Arquette in the face.
 
I doubt if they brought Malenko in for the show anyone would remember the Lita storyline. That was what, 9 or 10 years ago?
 
I do remember him having a great match with Scotty 2 Hotty of all people at Backlash 2000, ended with a pretty nasty looking top rope DDT from Malenko. Other than the Lita storyline, pretty much the only thing that still sticks out in my mind from his last few years as an in-ring performer.

There's' highlights of it in this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a8kUy41Z6s
 
Fom gerweck.net , not sure about its authenticity, but there's one of a crazed looking Rey as well.

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Davey Richards defeated Kenny Omega to capture the PWG Championship tonight and CAG Wrestling Thread Alumni The Human Tornado made his retirement speech to the PWG crowd.
 
Malenko was so damned quiet, I honestly don't remember much of his WWF work at all. The last thing I remember of him wrestling-wise was the feud with Jericho in WCW in 98.
 
I had a weird dream last night. I dreamed I was watching Wrestlemania and after the Cena/Batista match, Macho Man ran down with the MITB briefcase, nailed a top rope elbow drop on Cena, and won the title.

As far as Malenko goes, not a lot of his work in WWF sticks out to me, but I loved watching the guy in WCW. The Jericho feud was awesome. I wish WWE would do something with Danielson around a Malenko-type gimmick, emphasizing him knowing a ton of different submission holds. I don't see that happening though. Vince'll get sick of having a mat-based wrestler, and Danielson will end with 1) a new gimmick or 2) on Superstars.
 
Danielson will be ROH champion by Thanksgiving.

EDIT: I suppose it is peculiar that WWE has always been allergic to mat-based wrestling. I wonder why that is? You would think a company who (1) believes it can train the fans or tell them what to cheer for (e.g, WWE taking credit for the ECW chants) as well as a company who (2) wants to mitigate the risk they put their athletes through would be ecstatic to try a ground-based match where guys aren't being dropped on their heads and necks nonstop. Mat-based wrestling certainly appears safer on the surface - if Busta still lurks here maybe he can offer an opinion or two on that with insight.

I still blame RVD for the downfall of wrestling.
 
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