Kids who say 'yuck' may be racist

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LONDON, July 7 (UPI) -- Toddlers who say "yuck" when given flavorful foreign food may be exhibiting racist behavior, a British government-sponsored organization says.

The London-based National Children's Bureau released a 366-page guide counseling adults on recognizing racist behavior in young children, The Telegraph reported Monday.

The guide, titled Young Children and Racial Justice, warns adults that babies must also be included in the effort to eliminate racism because they have the ability to "recognize different people in their lives."

The bureau says to be aware of children who "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuck'."

"Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships," the guide says.

Staff members are advised not to ignore racist actions and to condemn them when they occur.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upiUPI-20080707-122008-1071&show_article=1


really? i mean... really?
 
[quote name='chakan']When the world is a uniform gray will these PC turds be happy?[/QUOTE]

no, because then theyll argue over who has better science and which logic is the correct logic ;)
 
To be fair, the article is about what I would call "culinary ethnocentrism" - the act of assuming food is bad/not good because it doesn't conform to a localized cultural diet. Is it racist? Nah. Ethnocentric? You betcha. But the latter is in no way the same sort of social/cultural crime as the former.

'matter of fact, we embrace the former. Especially the Europeans. Watch soccer supporters for one clear example (or read Franklin Foer's highly overrated "How Soccer Explains the World" for other examples - or better yet, Bill Buford's undoubtedly-exaggerated but still entertaining claims in the book "Among the Thugs" for more exciting examples).

But, all that said, I couldn't give a fuck what British people say "yuck" too. Motherfuckers have some of the worst culinary traditions on the face of the shitting planet. Fried eggs with toast, sausages, and pork and beans for breakfast (with a healthy portion of HP sauce on top) = bad taste.

Which means, of course, I'm racist against Britons.
 
I get that for older people? But toddlers saying "yuck" equals ethnocentrism? I can't buy that, they don't even know where the food is from. They're just saying yuck as they don't like it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I get that for older people? [/QUOTE]

How could you "get that" for older people? I'm not a big sushi fan, so does that mean I hate Japan?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I get that for older people? But toddlers saying "yuck" equals ethnocentrism? I can't buy that, they don't even know where the food is from. They're just saying yuck as they don't like it.[/QUOTE]

More the developmental foundations for ethnocentrism.

Like when you see toddlers clearly identifying with gender-targeted toy ads. "I want that!" versus "Ewww, that's for girls/boys!" Not racism/ethnocentrism as a conscious concept, but developmentally subconscious. Like adults. ;)
 
[quote name='Strell']So...are they eating black people over in Europe?[/quote]

Maybe not blacks, but gives the term Mongolian BBQ a WHOLE new meaning.
 
Little kids have developing taste buds. They don't know what the hell is good or bad. If a toddler doesn't like something, that doesn't mean they won't learn to like it later on in life.

It is as if the people that did this study have never actually been around toddlers to see how they actually behave.
 
Y'all are assuming that the rejection comes after tasting, as opposed to prior.

"what the fuck is palek paneer? I'm not eatin' that shit! Gimmie a whopper!"

Or, in the case of a child, "yuck."
 
But I know all sorts of people who do that.

One of my friends - about as vanilla mashed potato (and for Myke only) milk-toast (spelled differently because I don't own that gimmick) as they come - refused to eat a (I only wish I could make this up) a potato cheese casserole because, "It looks weird."

It was THE most un-intimidating dish possible in the entire fucking world, and this guy eats cheese fries like they are going out of business.

I couldn't believe he refused to eat it. It was potato and cheese, I explained to him, softened into a nice delicious artery clogging mash in the oven.

Didn't touch it once. Couldn't believe it.

I can't get the fucker to go to an Asian place either.
 
All I know is next time I see my picky 3 year old nephew refuse to eat anything but macaroni or bread, I'm going to call him a "bigoted culturally incentive little shit", instead of "picky little bastard".

And when my 2 year old niece says "too spicy" I will threaten to send her to latin cultural seminar.
 
Just leave the kids alone, i am sure that we when we were young we said "yuck" to some things, that doesn't make all of us racist.

A little bit off topic but, with the BPA issue, we all grew up eating from that, that didn't kill us why bother it now? Cancer happens, you cant change EVERYTHING to not have cancer. But there sure as hell trying.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']All I know is next time I see my picky 3 year old nephew refuse to eat anything but macaroni or bread, I'm going to call him a "bigoted culturally incentive little shit", instead of "picky little bastard".

And when my 2 year old niece says "too spicy" I will threaten to send her to latin cultural seminar.[/QUOTE]

Your intentionally obtuse gimmick is grating today, thrust.

[quote name='Strell']But I know all sorts of people who do that.

One of my friends - about as vanilla mashed potato (and for Myke only) milk-toast (spelled differently because I don't own that gimmick) as they come - refused to eat a (I only wish I could make this up) a potato cheese casserole because, "It looks weird."

It was THE most un-intimidating dish possible in the entire fucking world, and this guy eats cheese fries like they are going out of business.

I couldn't believe he refused to eat it. It was potato and cheese, I explained to him, softened into a nice delicious artery clogging mash in the oven.

Didn't touch it once. Couldn't believe it.[/quote]

Well, you know, anti-suburbian bias can be found in those who refuse to eat casseroles, velveeta-and-salsa-meet-microwave-type dips, and those little water chestnuts wrapped in bacon and baked in bbq sauce.

I can't get the fucker to go to an Asian place either.
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*cough* I'm going to go back and reread the OP, follow the ridicule that followed it, and then come back to this post, read this line, and think "huh. how 'bout that?"
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']How could you "get that" for older people? I'm not a big sushi fan, so does that mean I hate Japan?[/QUOTE]

Some people are just adverse to even trying foreign food as part of the "my country is best" routine. Like the commercial with Terry Bradshaw talking about sushi and saying "where I come from we call that bait."

But no, simply trying and not liking something isn't ethnocentric. So I see your point. Your loss though. Sushi is the bomb. I may well be ethnocentric against my own country as I vastly prefer various types of ethnic food to American food. :D

[quote name='mykevermin']Y'all are assuming that the rejection comes after tasting, as opposed to prior.

"what the fuck is palek paneer? I'm not eatin' that shit! Gimmie a whopper!"

Or, in the case of a child, "yuck."[/QUOTE]

For toddlers I'd assume it comes afterwards. They haven't had enough experience with food to know something is or isn't American. They just don't like the taste or smell. I just have a hard time seeing any ethnocentrism in toddlers not liking food.

See it all the time in adults who won't try something that looks weird, is raw etc.
 
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Well, you know, anti-suburbian bias can be found in those who refuse to eat casseroles, velveeta-and-salsa-meet-microwave-type dips, and those little water chestnuts wrapped in bacon and baked in bbq sauce.

*cough* I'm going to go back and reread the OP, follow the ridicule that followed it, and then come back to this post, read this line, and think "huh. how 'bout that?"[/QUOTE]

Man. You're really on fire today, huh?

I was more expressing concern with something similar to the proposition in this "study," and making fun of it, using some examples from a friend of mine. At no point do I think any sort of honest racism is going on in what he does, nor do I view it as such.

Christ. Sometimes it just flies the fuck over your head.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Your intentionally obtuse gimmick is grating today, thrust.[/quote]
:D



Well, you know, anti-suburbian bias can be found in those who refuse to eat casseroles, velveeta-and-salsa-meet-microwave-type dips, and those little water chestnuts wrapped in bacon and baked in bbq sauce.
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Was that an attempt at intentional hypocrisy? Irony?


What can I say, I don't want to work. If I was allowed to tell you the design doc I was asked to produce today at work, you'd send your condolences and understand.
 
[quote name='Strell']Man. You're really on fire today, huh?

I was more expressing concern with something similar to the proposition in this "study," and making fun of it, using some examples from a friend of mine. At no point do I think any sort of honest racism is going on in what he does, nor do I view it as such.

Christ. Sometimes it just flies the fuck over your head.[/QUOTE]

I have definitions of "racism" that are remarkably different than this sort of intentional avoidance. That said, joking or not, avoiding a place under the premise of what the food offered is is akin to the problem presented in the OP (though I'd be reluctant to call this a study, but more a bell hooks-quality musing by selected armchair philosophers who have no need for hypotheses or data, but just conclusions).

Now, you ask me to try something new and I refuse, that's silly and, indeed, potentially ethnocentric. Ask me to eat, for example a durian, and when I tell you to fuck right off, it's not.
 
I'm saying that for someone as markedly skilled in the arts of argument, irony, parody, and satire, who then goes on to pronounce his little song and dance about how so much more invasively observant he is, that you might be able to pick up on those same things when they are presented to you.

So if I went up to a painter with two buckets of paint, one of them being black and the other being orange, he might be able to tell the difference between them, especially because he also runs a Halloween store on the side in October every year.

Parallel situation? My friend expressing concern over food, even though he knew exactly what is was. Satire. Does that means he's racist against his own kind? Irony levels off the fucking charts - the bulb is breaking on the thermometer.

Put two and two together, son.
 
Where the hell are peas (the mushy round ones, not the elongated crunchy ones, those are good) from? I want to maim someone over having to eat those a lot as a kid.
 
So if I consume foreign food, but then shit 4 colors into the toilet 20 minutes later, is that racist?

Seriously, I'm all for killing racism, but do it through not giving a flying fuck, not by forcing everyone in the world to conform with this alarmist crap.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='HotShotX']So if I consume foreign food, but then shit 4 colors into the toilet 20 minutes later, is that racist?

~HotShotX[/QUOTE]


yes, because you shit should cover all colors, not just some.
 
You knew Myke would come in here and, if I may use a JR-ism, kill a mosquito with an axe. Just because kids don't eat something because it's different doesn't mean that "different" = "not from my culinary ethnic group". As a kid myself, I was almost force-fed fishticks from my babysitter. I grew accustomed to it, so when it was time to try her god awful tater tot hot dish, I refused. Not because it was ethnically different, in fact, if anything, I SHOULD have liked it, since Minnesotans luv dem sum hotdish, right?

Just another case of a bunch of people overanalyzing something as simple as "kids develop favorites".
 
[quote name='Strell']I'm saying that for someone as markedly skilled in the arts of argument, irony, parody, and satire, who then goes on to pronounce his little song and dance about how so much more invasively observant he is, that you might be able to pick up on those same things when they are presented to you.

So if I went up to a painter with two buckets of paint, one of them being black and the other being orange, he might be able to tell the difference between them, especially because he also runs a Halloween store on the side in October every year.

Parallel situation? My friend expressing concern over food, even though he knew exactly what is was. Satire. Does that means he's racist against his own kind? Irony levels off the fucking charts - the bulb is breaking on the thermometer.

Put two and two together, son.[/QUOTE]

Yes, yes, yes, I was aware of all that the first time I read it. I was pointing not to the fear of tater-n-cheese casserole, but the "I can't get the fucker to go to an Asian place either" point. I'm plenty dense on occasion, but not so dense as to think that, when I make a point following one quote, it doesn't refer to that specific embedded quote, but the previous one in the same post.

;)
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']yes, because you shit should cover all colors, not just some.[/QUOTE]
This pretty much sums it up. LOL

Strell pretty much sums up my view in this thread. Bravo
 
Dude, this over anti hate/racism/prejudice/injustice shit goes against Orwellian government, not for it.

It doesn't surprise me at all that young kids who are turned off by a food being different would be turned off by a people for being different. I love sushi too dmaul. It is the bomb. I doubt any red-neck confederate flag flying racists eat sushi.
 
[quote name='pittpizza'] I doubt any red-neck confederate flag flying racists eat sushi.[/QUOTE]

....and so the cycle of generalizing, stereo-typing, and bigotry rolls on....
 
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As much as i hate stereotypes, there's usually a grain of truth to them. I haven't met many "rednecks" willing to even try sushi, fried catfish sure, but not sushi. My father almost gagged when i told him I'd tried sushi. Hell, I've talked to people here who seriously believe that Chinese restaurants cook stray cats.

Honestly, some people won't eat things because they're foreign. As I've learned though, you miss a lot of great food when you base your tastes in food on ethnic stereotypes.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']I doubt any red-neck confederate flag flying racists eat sushi.[/quote]

Drop by Kyoto Sushi on College Main St. in College Station TX for a counter-example.
 
How's about a "guide counseling adults on recognizing" moronic researchers and their snot results? When a baby says yuck to food, who cares. If a baby says yuck or anything negative to one from a different race, then casually intervene.

"To be fair, the article is about what I would call "culinary ethnocentrism" - the act of assuming food is bad/not good because it doesn't conform to a localized cultural diet."

Too bad *and I mean good) babies can't assume things like that. Some cultures eat bugs. I say yuck. Am I a racist? Being ethnocentric? Or am I just disgusted by anyone eating bugs, even if in the USA? Hint. The last one.
 
[quote name='pittpizza'] I doubt any red-neck confederate flag flying racists eat sushi.[/QUOTE]

Ummm....I eat sushi. But to be fair, I don't fly the confederate flag above the American one anymore.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']Wow Britain, you really are going towards the Children of Men, V for Vendetta, 1984 thing nicely.[/quote]

First of all, alot of these hyper-cynical, one-liner responses that permeate the "vs" thread are really starting to get on my nerves. Though they come off as clever in my opinion, there are times i wish you all would elaborate just a bit further. Believe it or not, I do care what you have to say.

Anyways, my belief is this. I do believe there is a new type of scientifically crafted socialism being ushered into the UK. A tyranny of the mind and body, where the end game will result in an open declaration that the 'family is a disease.' And that 'allegiance to the family' must be exchanged for 'allegiance to the social or global community.' Possibly, possibly, in the name of saving mother earth or fighting terror.

If I would've told you ten years ago, that one day parents in the UK would need to be licensed or be vetted before coming in contact with their own children, you'd think I was crazy. I wanted to post this last week, but I figured i'd get the typical response.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2194359/A-quarter-of-adults-to-face-%27anti-paedophile%27-tests.html

Here's something else I've come across that happened in the UK:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=68785
 
[quote name='mykevermin']"I can't get the fucker to go to an Asian place either" point. [/QUOTE]

I have a hard time seeing racism/ethnocentrism there. I'd assume strell's friend has eaten asian food and just doesn't care for it. Particularly if he's not in a city and all they have is crappy, Americanized Chinese take out restaurants around. That's all that was in my home town growing up. Two crappy, americanized chinese take out places/lunch buffets. No Japanese, Thai, Korean, Vietnamese etc. restaurants around.

Now if they're in the city and he just refused to try any asian food ever, then yes that's ethnocentric. There's a ton of different asian foods (just like any nationality) and there's going to be stuff everyone likes if they try it.

[quote name='JolietJake']As much as i hate stereotypes, there's usually a grain of truth to them. I haven't met many "rednecks" willing to even try sushi, fried catfish sure, but not sushi. My father almost gagged when i told him I'd tried sushi. Hell, I've talked to people here who seriously believe that Chinese restaurants cook stray cats.

Honestly, some people won't eat things because they're foreign. As I've learned though, you miss a lot of great food when you base your tastes in food on ethnic stereotypes.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I grew up in WV and most everyone there has those attitudes about sushi. I always thought it was gross and wouldn't try it growing up as well. Went to college, got more adventurous in trying it and now absolutely love it (especially since I'm in a city and have lots of options for good sushi).

Not everyone in WV and other "redneck" states is that way, but definitely the majority in the poor rural areas.
 
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Here's something else I've come across that happened in the UK:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=68785[/quote]
[FONT=palatino, times new roman, georgia, times]"I am not racist, I've been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I've also been to a Muslim wedding where it was explained to me that alcohol would not be served and I respected that. But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."

"I have a black friend, I'm not racist!":roll:
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