Killzone 2 - Gen. Discussion & Info

Oh wow. I guess it doesn't go in the order I thought it would for the nay-sayers: Graphics, Gameplay, then Multiplayer. I guess if you eliminate one, choosing any of the above in any order to try knocking on without any info works for them too. Fairly predictable though hahaha.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Wow, that looks brown as fuck.

And it doesn't really look more impressive than Gears, to me.[/quote]Surprise surprise! :D
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Wow, that looks brown as fuck.

And it doesn't really look more impressive than Gears, to me.[/quote] Keep telling youself that. As for me, I was skeptical all along, but holy fucking shit, that trailer is fucking amazing.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Oh wow. I guess it doesn't go in the order I thought it would for the nay-sayers: Graphics, Gameplay, then Multiplayer. I guess if you eliminate one, choosing any of the above in any order to try knocking on without any info works for them too. Fairly predictable though hahaha.[/QUOTE]
hahahaha, way to fellate a game "without any info works for them".
 
Watch the Gears of War on PC footage... then watch the Killzone footage.

How is Gears better?!?!

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[quote name='apokalipze2']Looks nice but not spectacular[/QUOTE]

You're on dope. That shit looks absolutely stunning. If Guerilla can deliver, I'll plunk down the 500 clams faster than you can say RIIIIIDDDDGGEEE RAAAAAACCCEEERRRR.
 
[quote name='dallow']Let's stop the comparisons.

Every should agree that the game looks bad ass.[/QUOTE]


I'm fucking tired of comparisons... if you do that, why don't we compare this to super mario 64...
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']I'm fucking tired of comparisons... if you do that, why don't we compare this to super mario 64...[/quote]

Because Mario kicks Killzone's turtle shell.
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']You're on dope. That shit looks absolutely stunning. If Guerilla can deliver, I'll plunk down the 500 clams faster than you can say RIIIIIDDDDGGEEE RAAAAAACCCEEERRRR.[/quote]

RIIIIIDDDDGGEEE RAAAAAACCCEEERRRR
 
I am surprised and impressed by Killzone! Didn't think they would be able to meet target renders.
 
[quote name='Maynard']
OK just watched the trailer and honestly guys, lets be HONEST, that makes Halo 3 look like a pile of goop. Halo 3 still looks decent but if that can represent the final product in our hands and the whole game is that polished, fuck we have a new halo; nay a new Half Life.[/QUOTE]

Halo, maybe. Half-life, no.

I agree that portions of the trailer are quite stunning, but definately not all of it. Particularly the textures. Once I get my PS3 I'll almost definately be renting. If I like it enough I'll buy it. All boils down to the gameplay as has been stated thousands of times in the past.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']it didn't sound like rico, but he looked alot alike.

thank god for a new character... templar wasn't as good as he could've been.[/QUOTE]
Luger was cool though. Sneaking up behind Helgast and knifing their throats. Good fun.
 
I'll be a sad panda if they dont somehow continue the story from the first. Surely they will tie it in somehow and not just drop it like it never happened. I want to know what happened to the 4 heroes since the last one. Especially Hakha since he seems like he could fit in well to this storyline as s spy or something.

I also just realized I have this emense joy aside from the good news about the trailer, that the series will now get the recognition it deserved the first time around and hopefully will prove to be a franchise that continues for consoles to come.

It's not gears - it doesnt play the same way. It's not halo - halo plays like a fast speed arcade shooter.
This is really in it's own class. Not exactly tactical, but not arcadey like halo.
It shouldnt be compared to them either. The visual style is totally different from each.
I personally think its the best looking fps in existence right now, for the style and detail they took. I will gladly pay 560 plus tax to play it and I know I wont regret it one bit. Even if I have to eat ramen for a month. :p
 
i think the trailer should shut the wii360 fanboys up, you know you only wish and fussing turning while sleeping hoping u could play this sheet soon 'nough
DID KILLZONE TRAILER (with gameplay footage)DELIVER?
Sho'nuff KAKAKA
 
[quote name='zewone']Graphics are nice, but most people buy FPSs for the multiplayer aspect.

Since this game is on PSN it already failed at that.

Unless Sony put's in ass in gear by the time this is released.

And, hopefully it plays well too.[/QUOTE]


by the time this game comes out, Home will be released and that trumps anything on xbox live. PSN for a free service is nice... you go online you play, you go online you play, you go online you play...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']by the time this game comes out, Home will be released and that trumps anything on xbox live. PSN for a free service is nice... you go online you play, you go online you play, you go online you play...[/QUOTE]
I saw more of Home today than I care for.

If you think Xbox Live is dressing up as a Nascar driver and talking to a fat shit named Jack, than I hope you're happy.
 
That looks fucking amazing.

If you can't agree with that your a jaded fanboy.

I love Microsoft and Nintendo with a passion, but this is just pure ownage. You are fucking blind to say otherwise.
 
Wow I have to give them props, they came pretty damn close. Now this game will really need to step up the gameplay with all the hype it's getting.
 
I think the faces look more realistic in the new trailer, but the shoulders seem a bit disjointed in certain positions. Other then that, I think the new trailer is a step up.

I think its cool that they went the extra mile to make the reflex scope actually display real time as opposed to a fixed picture or nothing at all.
 
[quote name='zewone']I saw more of Home today than I care for.

If you think Xbox Live is dressing up as a Nascar driver and talking to a fat shit named Jack, than I hope you're happy.[/QUOTE]


well no.. but you dress up as Master chief, in red, yellow, blue green, and fat shits named jack, people named zewone, and zoomman, and blah blah run around and shoot each other. Online is just to play games with each other. Home at least you can interact with other gamers, outside of games, and text messages. hey, and its free...
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']How do you guys like the "darker" visual to the game? The old trailer was very bright and clean, this one is rather "dirty".[/quote] The darker and grungier the better. It seems to fit more with the setting they've presented. I want to be running around in really dark environments looking to blast some bitches at the first sight of the Helghast orange glow.

Also, I can't get over the blood splatter. So fucking rad.
 
got a question, I saw the Killzone 2 trailer and it looks real good, but having never played the first i looked it up and it got a 73% at gamerankings.com which is pretty pedestrian. I know it looks good but what really do you know about it besides it being a sequel to an average game. Not trying to be a dick just curious.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']got a question, I saw the Killzone 2 trailer and it looks real good, but having never played the first i looked it up and it got a 73% at gamerankings.com which is pretty pedestrian. I know it looks good but what really do you know about it besides it being a sequel to an average game. Not trying to be a dick just curious.[/QUOTE]


the franchise/universe it was set in was solid. everything about it was great, it was just all thrown into a very limited game design.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']got a question, I saw the Killzone 2 trailer and it looks real good, but having never played the first i looked it up and it got a 73% at gamerankings.com which is pretty pedestrian. I know it looks good but what really do you know about it besides it being a sequel to an average game. Not trying to be a dick just curious.[/quote]

I think people were just butthurt that you couldn't jump like every other fps out and it wasn't called halo or halo2.
The feel of the weapons was more realistic then most. The story was very engaging. The world it was set in was cool. The graphics are damn fine for a ps2 game.
Go rent the game. It's not "average" by any means. Its a very solid shooter and one of the best fps for ps2 I think.
 
The main problem to Killzone 1 was not the game, but the system. They were bought by Sony and such it released on the PS2 instead of the PC. Unfortunately, the PS2 by that time was ancient and couldn't handle the kind of game killzone wanted to be. So you see a lot of problems related to lack of processing power. Things such as poor/inconsistent AI, bad framerates, etc...

But despite that, it had a decent story, good characters and acting, good gunplay, great artistic design, and a general feeling that the devs really tried and wanted to make an amazing game, but just couldn't get it on the system.

Since with the PS3 hardware is no longer the limiting factor, they can go to town, which it looks like they have.

Also key to note was that the Guerilla devs have said this is Pre-pre-alpha. Which means nothing shown is actually finished. They didn't even have the texture steaming code in game, which means the final version should add a lot more texture detail.

An example of texture streaming is in Halo 2 and Gears of War, when you first load a level, all the textures appear fuzzy as the basic versions are streamed in, then the high resolution ones get streamed in as you move about and see new areas.

Pre pre alpha even means the modeling and rigging isn't finished, so there's plenty of time to fix up the facial animation.

I'm very interested in the cover aspect and how they plan to make it work without going to third person. It's actually doable with the motion sensors, imagine being able to peek out of cover from a different spot each time by tilting the controller in a different way. Makes cover more useful in MP since people can't line up the crosshairs on where they know your head will pop out.

Also, I think they had no choice but to go with a new character, but I really want to see the old characters return, and hopefully some character time with them. Call me a softy, but I want to see how Luger and Yahn turn out.
 
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: First Killzone 2 Hands-On
Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:23 AM
By N'Gai Croal

After two years of intense skepticism (see our next post for a more thorough airing of the backstory), Tuesday night's first showings of Sony Computer Entertainment and Guerrilla Games' Killzone 2 to journalists have generally produced extremely positive reactions. But having cleared that first high hurdle, the next question everyone wants to know is: how does it play? We were fortunate enough to be the first to play Killzone outside of the folks at SCE and Guerrilla, so allow us to give you our hands-on impressions of Killzone 2's gameplay elements; our close-up look at the game's visuals, along with some exclusive first details on the title's design choices and story elements, will follow shortly.

Once our intruder landing vehicle hit the ground, it was time to go to work on what we were informed was the third level of Killzone 2. We immediately took refuge behind a berm, hit L1 to drop into a crouch, shouldered our standard-issue ISA assault rifle and started shooting at our Helghast opponents. Pushing in R3 on the right analog stick gave us the iron sight view through the assault rifle's scope--which, when we informed our Sony and Guerrilla hosts was the aspect of the demo which had most impressed us, gave them a bit of pause, followed by minor hilarity, until we explained ourselves further. It's not that there aren't several other impressive aspects of the game. It's just that the focus blur on the outside of the rifle scope, the scope's green tint and curved glass feel, and the green laser dot that indicates where your bursts of ammo should land--all combine for a wonderfully immersive view of the game that sucked us in both as spectators and active participants.

As we cautiously picked our way through the ground combat's opening moments, game director Mathijs de Jonge gave us the first official explanation of the game's cover system, which many of our observant peers picked up on during the Tuesday evening previews. You can always simply crouch behind obstacles, as you would in any other shooter, but Guerrilla has added something extra. When you hit L2 near cover, the game puts you into cover mode. Once you're in cover, you can use the left analog stick to pop up, lean left or lean right to take precise aim at your Helghan enemies. Alternatively, you can blindfire by simply pulling the trigger (R2) on your weapon. You're completely safe behind non-erodable cover as long as the enemy is on the same plane as you; if they've got the high ground, they can hit you if they have the right angle. We didn't ask Guerrilla directly whether the use of cover would be all-but-mandatory, as with Gears of War, or optional; regardless, it adds a tactical element to the game that fits seamlessly with the Killzone mythos. Overall, the cover mechanic works extremely well, without ever having to switch the gamer into a third-person view as does Ubisoft's Rainbow Six Vegas, and we won't be surprised when we see a number of Guerrilla's peers paying homage to borrowing stealing this idea after they get their hands on it.

We also appreciated Guerrilla's decision to go with a minimal amount of screen clutter. Right now, all you'll see onscreen is the aiming reticule and an ammo counter. Don't expect to see the ammo counter in the final product, however. Guerrilla wants to eliminate the HUD entirely by putting the ammo readout on the weapons themselves, as certain other games do with some of their weapons. (One thing we missed from the first Killzone was the visual countdown system that let you see how long your grenade had been "cooked" before you threw it--right now, hitting R1 just throws the grenades with a not-particularly-interesting animation--so we're crossing our fingers hoping that they'll bring the Killzone 1 grenades back.) The health system is similar to games like King Kong and Gears of War: you can take a few shots without any problem, but once you start taking a significant amount of damage, the screen shifts to a striking black and white filter, warning you to take cover. It's simple, it's distinctive, and it works.

The other moment worth highlighting from our hands-on time was our confrontation with the level's mini-boss, an armored Helghan heavy gunner who shares a passing resemblance--and an equally high intimidation factor--with the Big Daddy enemies in Irrational Games' BioShock. Like the mini-bosses of old, there's a trick to killing him, which is to shoot the energy pack on his back until it explodes. You can try to flank him while your AI-controlled squadmate Rico engages him from the front, or you can shoot his visor, which causes him to turn around, briefly exposing his energy pack to the rat-tat-tat of your assault rifle. We couldn't kill him to save our lives, but it was a pulse-quickening enough firefight that we gave it a good ten or so consecutive attempts before finally asking de Jonge to take care of him so that we could continue on with the demo. Unfortunately, we weren't able to get much further than that before our hands-on time came to an end.

If we have a single reservation right now, it's about the level of recoil that Guerrilla has implemented on the weapons. We know that Guerrilla has months to go before they have to bear down and properly tune the game; still, we found ourselves babying the aiming reticule in order to compensate for the amount of drift from each burst of fire. We know from the time that we've spent with the folks from Guerrilla in the past that they're interested in a sense of heightened realism when it comes to their weapons--that's why there aren't any laser guns or energy blades--and we're certainly willing to attribute this to our poor aim or easily panicked demeanor when confronted by waves of armed Helghast. But we suspect that Halo-weaned masses will want to be able to hold down their triggers just a wee bit longer before the reticule starts rising. Nevertheless, we were thoroughly impressed with our single-player hands-on time with Killzone, particularly the first-person cover mechanic, which we provides an excellent tactical option for more deliberate gamers like ourselves, who prefer to hang back rather than rush ahead. If the company continues to design enemy encounters around the optional use of cover, it bodes well for Killzone 2's future depth and replayability.

See our follow-up post about the game's visuals, design and story here.
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WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Expanded Details on Killzone 2
Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:28 AM
By N'Gai Croal

Has any young franchise ever labored under so many freighted expectations? Long before Guerrilla Games' completed Killzone in 2004, back when word was slowly was starting to leak about a mysterious first-person shooter from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe named Kin, that same grapevine carried word that Sony was calling this shooter its "Halo killer." Sony credibly denied this, saying that the frenzy was being whipped up instead by gossipy game journalists, yet the damn-near-impossible-to-live-up-to label stuck, as much from the desires of shooter-bereft PlayStation 2 owners as from the derision of Halo fanatics. And while the end result had several compelling attributes--its riveting opening movie; its muted, blown out color palette; its painterly art direction; and its deliberate evocation of major wars and conflicts of the twentieth century within a futuristic setting--the first Killzone was ultimately much too ambitious for the PS2 to handle, resulting in one of the best mediocre games we've ever had fun playing.

Next, when Killzone 2's mind-blowing E3 2005 trailer turned out to be a computer-generated movie, the hearts of all but the stoutest of Sony fanboys hardened, with many predicting that Guerrilla would never be able to live up to its own hype. In the wake of that perceived betrayal, neither 2006's well-received PSP installment (Killzone: Liberation) nor an intriguingly promising but not-quite-there-yet technical demonstration of Killzone 2 multiplayer's physics system did much to sway journalists' opinion. But through it all, SCE and Guerrilla kept pushing for what they firmly believed they were capable of achieving. And when the "Killzone 2: Mission Accomplished" slide came up at the end of the 20-minute demo, followed by loud, sustained applause from the skeptical crowd of journalists, the gesture transformed itself from a "F--- you" to a statement of fact: for the moment, Guerrilla's promise had been realized.

When we arrived at SCE's Santa Monica studios for our world exclusive first hands-on session (see here for our report), we were escorted into a conference room to sit down with Guerrilla managing director Hermen Hulst, producer Steven ter Heide, and game director Mathijs de Jonge. We began with another playthrough of the level with de Jonge at the controls and ter Heide manning a keyboard plugged into the PS3 development kit, periodically slowing down or pausing the action so that we could discuss a particular detail.

First, Hulst wanted to show us not only that everything from the level's introductory cinematic to the actual ground combat was in-engine, but also to note the amount of detail in the level. So we paused the game with the intruder landing vehicle still airborne so that de Jonge could move the camera through the clouds and all the way down to the city square below--seamlessly. There were no tricks, the entire level was there, already loaded into memory so that we could eventually enjoy a seamless transition from the cinematic to live gameplay. As we zoomed back out to the clouds to resume the demo, we asked de Jonge about the three tower-like ships hovering above the cloud cover at the beginning of both the trailer and the demo. He informed us that those were the Vektan cruisers, from which the ISA is launching its invasion of Helghan. He added that the game itself will begin in media res, with the invasion of Helghan already in progress. The majority of the Helghan citizenry will have already fled their homes--a convenient explanation for the generally empty cityscapes many shooters generally feature, de Jonge acknowledged--but the game's opening will provide further details on that particular story element.

As he pointed out the game's Mohawk-sporting main character--stressing that there are more polygons in a single character model in Killzone 2 than in an entire level from Killzone 1--it finally clicked that we would no longer be playing as Jan Templar, the hero of both Killzone and Killzone: Liberation. The new lead's name is Sev, a veteran of the Legion, which are the ISA's equivalent of Special Forces. Only Rico returns from the first two games for a major role. Hakha is nowhere to be found, but Lugar will make a small appearance, while Evelyn from Liberation will serve as you point of contact on the cruiser. Gamers will periodically return to one of the cruisers between missions, which will serve as a hub of sorts.

When de Jonge hit the ground and began playing the game, Hulst said that they added the brief checkpoint-style pause at that point specifically for the demo so that journalists could see for themselves that the game is real. The final game will have a seamless transition from cinematics to combat. As de Jong continued to lay waste to the Helghast, Hulst and ter Heide explained the game's extensive post-processing system, which allows for a more subtle film grain effect than the one in the first game, along with blur and depth of field. What was most striking was when they turned the post-processing effects off: the level looked almost completely different, as if it were taking place in the mid-afternoon. It's clear that while Guerilla's painterly art style is still very much in effect, it's not just the PS3 that makes the planet of Helghan look different from that of Vecta; the designers have art directed them differently as well.

When ter Heide turned the post-processing effects back on, we finally understood the uneasy feeling that the level evoked within us; their careful real-time calibration of the game's light, shadow and color--"we replace the sunnier colors with darker, grittier colors," says ter Heide--combined with the art direction and level design to create the oppressive gloom that they wanted. "The planet is meant to be hostile," said de Jonge. "The desaturated colors suit it." We hope that SCE and Guerrilla eventually release some video footage showing the difference that their post-processing effects make, because you have to see it to believe it. And from what sources in the know tell us, it's a similar special sauce that has Activision and Infinity Ward's Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare looking similarly hot.

The cover system that we praised in our hands-on post was coded by the same programmer who handled the cover mechanics in the PSP game Killzone: Liberation, showing that the franchise's detour to handhelds provided some additional benefits. They switched to a third-person perspective (that's just a developer trick; the final game will be first-person only) so that we could see all of the cover animations, by way of explaining that the cover system was designed by first animating Sev from a third-person view, then tweaking the look of it from a first-person perspective. "We expected it to be complicated," said Hulst, "but our programmer took care of it pretty quickly."

One of the things that made us believe in Guerrilla's potential, even when it hadn't yet been fully realized, was the company's attention to detail. Looking up above, we see cables that look like power lines or telephone lines, swaying in the wind. (There's practically not a jagged line to be found on the power lines, or any other lines, for that matter; we're told it's because Killzone 2 is using the Cell's SPUs and the RSX graphics chip to achieve 4x full-screen anti-aliasing.) There's a glow decal that happens when bullets make contact; right now it's applied to all weapons, but they're planning to dial it back and only have it apply to certain weapons. Even the tracer fire seems specific to Killzone 2, as if it has a slight upward arc the further it gets from the muzzle. When you kill a Helghast, a red pool of blood not only forms to indicate that he's dead, but it also turns yellowish over time. The dramatic light and shadow in the previous screenshot of the Helghast vaulting over a rail, which has been the subject of much chatter online, comes from the game's multiple dynamic lights. There's even a complete Helghan alphabet, seen on signage throughout the level, which was created by the game's concept designers. And while we don't think it will replace Klingon anytime soon, it's still evidence of how much specificity the people at Guerrilla want to bring to the Killzone universe now that the console they're working on finally matches their ambition.
From the time that we've spent with the folks at Guerrilla following Tuesday night's media preview and yesterday's exclusive hands-on session, the impression that we've gotten is that they're proud of their achievement, while recognizing that they still have many miles to go. But what Guerrilla managing director Hulst, ter Heide and de Jonge seemed happiest about is the excitement that the extraordinarily positive reaction has created among the rest of the team back home. We're happy that they're happy, but we'll be even happier when they finish the game--so that we can judge the finished product for ourselves.
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One of the things that made us believe in Guerrilla's potential, even when it hadn't yet been fully realized, was the company's attention to detail. Looking up above, we see cables that look like power lines or telephone lines, swaying in the wind. (There's practically not a jagged line to be found on the power lines, or any other lines, for that matter; we're told it's because Killzone 2 is using the Cell's SPUs and the RSX graphics chip to achieve 4x full-screen anti-aliasing.)
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So we paused the game with the intruder landing vehicle still airborne so that de Jonge could move the camera through the clouds and all the way down to the city square below--seamlessly. There were no tricks, the entire level was there, already loaded into memory so that we could eventually enjoy a seamless transition from the cinematic to live gameplay
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I hope they keep the recoil the way it is. It's one of the few games that actually bother to try and make the rifles realistic feeling.

It sucks about not continuing the story from the first one though. I hope they have a good explanation as to why certain people come back and others dont. Sucks that they left out Hakha too :(
 
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