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[quote name='mykevermin']Anyone know when RVD's contract is up?[/QUOTE]
Not soon enough.

(I thought it was February-ish?)
 
[quote name='Brak']Not soon enough.

(I thought it was February-ish?)[/QUOTE]

Not sure, but it's this year sometime.

I think it's pretty obvious he's going to jump, which should be another nice little shot in the arm for TNA that they will surely squander and waste immediately.

Really, I'm all for some "important" guys going to TNA, but until they get Russo the fuck out of there, it will all be for nothing. Bank on it.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Not sure, but it's this year sometime.

I think it's pretty obvious he's going to jump, which should be another nice little shot in the arm for TNA that they will surely squander and waste immediately.

Really, I'm all for some "important" guys going to TNA, but until they get Russo the fuck out of there, it will all be for nothing. Bank on it.[/QUOTE]

Ehh...it's always obvious until the guy signs a new contract. I'm skeptical he'll jump, to be honest.

Didn't watch the Rosie/Donald thing on Monday, but heard about the "TNA" chants. The only worthwhile thing about this clip is the segue to Vince, and his facial expression. He's clearly less enthusiastic than he was when hyping up the showdown between Ace Steel and whoever was Rosie.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czwpn_ADN0s[/media]
 
I just caught the last couple minutes of George Michael's Sports Machine. He did a profile on Angle. I turned it on midway through and they showed a clip of Angle/ Benoit's cage match where Kurt missed the moonsault off the top of the cage. There were giving a brief summary of the last couple of years for him. At about the same time he admitted his pill addiction in early 2005 his sister died of a heroin overdose (quiet, Phrostbyte). Kurt's side was that Vince wouldn't allow him the time off to let his neck heal. Then they talked about how he left WWE and went to TNA, showing footage of Kurt hitting Joe with a German. Kurt also said that he might still want to have one fight in either UFC or MMA. He stated that he had a lot to lose with his Olympic reputation and being "the greatest wrestler of all time" (his words, give or take a preposition). IMO, Kurt's obsessiveness about competition comes through pretty clearly to those who have followed him in pro wrestling. Anyway, anybody on Central time or later should check it out. It was on at midnight on the NBC affiliate but check your local listings.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i wonder when wwe will officially acknowledge tna exists[/QUOTE]

Count on never until (never going to happen) TNA starts to overtake them.
 
Hell, Nightline even did a thing on celebrity feuds and had a clip of the Trump/Rosie thing from RAW. I miss the old Nightline.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Oh fuck yeah!

Christian is the champ again!

Christian (my friends) Is TNA![/QUOTE]
To quote Steven Colbert:

I called it!
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Not sure, but it's this year sometime.

I think it's pretty obvious he's going to jump, which should be another nice little shot in the arm for TNA that they will surely squander and waste immediately.

Really, I'm all for some "important" guys going to TNA, but until they get Russo the fuck out of there, it will all be for nothing. Bank on it.[/QUOTE]
You can't go wrong with Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn.

He'd be a great catch for TNA... but, other than the Jerry Lynn fight, I have no idea how they'll fit him in.
 
Russo is doing SOME stuff right let's give credit where its due. Stuff like the PCS tournament, the whole mystery behind Abyss, and making the Joe vs Angle fued (even if it was rushed) feel important really has helped TNA.

But on the other side of the coin stuff like the VKM (and Hemme right now while at it) only reminds us of how dumb Russo can be. Do we really need this kind of trailer trash WWE-eque crap in TNA? Especially after BG James poking fun at the whole Rosie/Donald match just moments prior to that.

I guess its really 50/50 if you look at it like that. Yeah Russo can do a lot of things right and when he does its great. But he does a lot of things wrong too. That is why ultimately there needs to be someone working alongside Russo much like Vince McMahon did who can filter the good from bad. I feel that person could be Paul Heyman. I'd love to see that happen, but realistically most likely it won't. You never know these days about anything in that regard tho. Especially if those rumors of Cornette and Russo getting along are true.
 
I forgot I had this picture. In August, I had to shave off my beard for a job, and I took a pic of myself with just a Hulk Hogan moustache before shaving it all off. Yeah. Looks terrible, as you'd expect.

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So Finlay and Double A are booking ECW? No wonder why it sucks, the sooner Finlay dies of old-age the better SD & apparently ECW will be.

Double A is a shitty booker too, just ask Scott Hall.
 
This is one more reason why Bob Holly will never get elevated to main event status even in ECW, while Test on the otherhand apparently already has:

Before his match with RVD at the 1/6 Smackdown/ECW house show in Terre Haute, Indiana, Hardcore Holly spit a mouthful of water into the face of 'Sign Guy'. Although, he held up a sign that read "I hope you got some talent for Christmas" in front of Holly. 'Sign Guy' is the guy who often appears at WWE shows with some creative signs and always wears a red hat and mechanic's shirt. He was featured on WWE Confidential a few years back, not to mention a recent issue of WWE Magazine.

This wasn't Holly's only incident before the match because apparently, two front-row fans were tossed from the building for touching Holly, even though they only patted him on the back. Holly told security to throw them out after he challenged them to touch him again.

During the same house show, 'Sign Guy' held up a poster in front of Test that read "The best body chemicals can buy", with a large needle being injected into a photo of Test. Test laughed it off.
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It's really too bad Holly didn't have to have his arm amputated, then he could just stay home annoying himself, instead of pissing on some of the few remaining people actually willing to pay to see ecw at this point.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']It's really too bad Holly didn't have to have his arm amputated, then he could just stay home annoying himself, instead of pissing on some of the few remaining people actually willing to pay to see ecw at this point.[/QUOTE]

Do you know the guy who Holly spit on? He's like the WWE-version of the ECW crowd; he's literally at *every* live event, front row.

Spitting water on someone isn't a big deal, IMO, even if it's Holly who did it. Holly should go to church and praise Jesus that someone remembered who he was and wrote a sign about him, truth be told.

Y'know, I was thinking about the booking of the Holly/Punk match, and while I would never argue that Holly is a star, I wonder if we're all biased in saying how "over" Punk is. He's a fun wrestler to watch, sure, and the one true new star in ECW. But if he's such a goddamned star, why are ECW's ratings sinking to TNA Impact! levels? They're half of what they were in June, merely six months ago, and it wouldn't surprise me if TNA would start beating ECW with some consistency, ratings-wise, by March. It's hard to argue someone is a star when nobody's watching the show they're on, in other words.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Do you know the guy who Holly spit on? He's like the WWE-version of the ECW crowd; he's literally at *every* live event, front row.

Spitting water on someone isn't a big deal, IMO, even if it's Holly who did it. Holly should go to church and praise Jesus that someone remembered who he was and wrote a sign about him, truth be told.

Y'know, I was thinking about the booking of the Holly/Punk match, and while I would never argue that Holly is a star, I wonder if we're all biased in saying how "over" Punk is. He's a fun wrestler to watch, sure, and the one true new star in ECW. But if he's such a goddamned star, why are ECW's ratings sinking to TNA Impact! levels? They're half of what they were in June, merely six months ago, and it wouldn't surprise me if TNA would start beating ECW with some consistency, ratings-wise, by March. It's hard to argue someone is a star when nobody's watching the show they're on, in other words.[/quote]

You think the guy getting spit on was a plant? Er I guess not really a plant in this sense as he's have been there already, but pre-informed of what was going down here. Did this make it on TV?

I don't really watch ECW anymore, so I have no clue.

I've always disliked Holly though, never met him, nothing personal, but I've drawn up my own conclusions from all the backstage stories that the guy is probably a dick. Given the choice of injuring someone to advance his own career, I think Holly would do it.

This whole nonsense is, however, starting to help me warm to CM Punk. Now might not be a bad time to turn him heel though, with RVD and Lashley as the top faces, and Testicles the only worthy top heel. How sad.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']You think the guy getting spit on was a plant? Er I guess not really a plant in this sense as he's have been there already, but pre-informed of what was going down here. Did this make it on TV?[/QUOTE]

A plant? No, given the lack of attention it's gotten, and by virtue of the fact that it would be a great idea from a creative standpoint. I'm just saying spitting water in people's face isn't a big deal, even if the guy doing it is a grade-A asshole.

People probably clamor to get in HHH's direction when he spits water (probably an apples/oranges comparison, though).

Speaking of plants, I would love to see an angle like that - knowing the way the internet works, why not use that kind of gossip on a storyline? Have two wrestlers arguing loudly in the parking lot before a show; have agents like Dean Malenko and Skinner throw so-and-so out of the building, and his bags after him. You *know* that nerds hang outside of the building looking for a glimpse of anyone or anything, so why not use them to your advantage? Use the messageboards and net sites to further your angle - not only is it more interesting, it's free advertising. "OMG I saw Chris Masters screaming at Jeff Hardy in the parking lot!" or "I saw Torrie Wilson grinding on Chris Masters at the dance club!" (I personally think that the Masters/Carlito feud won't go anywhere until Torrie leaves Carlito for Masters). Add depth to the show; if your wrestlers don't want to play their character in public, or work like that, then they can go work for pennies on the dollar in TNA and the indies. It's just so goddamned common sense, y'know?
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']I'm stunned that Shelley actually won a match in TNA, on PPV no less.[/QUOTE]

That right there was moment of the night for me as well as my friends watching the PPV. We all completely marked out, Christian winning was unexpected, just glad they didn't give the belt back to Sting.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, I was thinking about the booking of the Holly/Punk match, and while I would never argue that Holly is a star, I wonder if we're all biased in saying how "over" Punk is.[/QUOTE]
He's not as over as Cena or The Undertaker or Batista, but he is a PERFECT example of one of the VERY few "new faces/up and coming" guys the crowd cares about that should absolutely be protected. It's fucking disturbing that they didn't learn the lesson they did with Van Dam, who was over like CRAZY when he showed up during the Invasion and was still on the rise, but had his legs cut out from under him by management so he could "adapt the WWE style" and "learn the real way to do business" and other mark-for-yourself/this-is-more-real-than-you-think bullshit.

I couldn't care less if Punk jobs to Kelly Kelly at this point since I stopped watching ECW weeks ago, but it's pathetic that they put the need to "maintain locker room ettiquite" over making money and creating a buzz about someone new that the crowd has taken a liking to.

But if he's such a goddamned star, why are ECW's ratings sinking to TNA Impact! levels?
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Probably because the show sucks and is treated like a second-rate brand. You said it right there - TNA Impact levels. Impact has one of the most recognizable pro wrestlers on the planet main eventing right now and it hasn't done shit for ratings.



FWIW - According to the WO, even though he was pissed about the crowd reaction (and "blamed the fans" for it bombing), Vince loved the Trump-Rosie thing. Jesus fucking Christ, will someone put this deluded, out-of-touch old man out of his misery?
 
I wouldn't say Impact has done shit for ratings. It takes a while to build up a company to the point of where people start watching. You can't just get the new hot star and expect a huge increase right off the bat. They have done well enough where they are close to getting a second hour and are competitive with TUF in terms of ratings (sometimes doing better).

In regards to CM Punk booking, I think he is over and could have been the new face of ECW. They used to constantly show signs for him with the Pepsi symbol and he almost always gets a good sized pop. Ever since the Elimination Chamber match they have been trying to minimize his appeal and instead of booking someone who people like as a title contender they leave him in the mid card. One could say TNA does the same thing with Joe, but Joe was lighting up the X-division where as CM punk ends up fueding with Mike Knox and Holly (and is in line to get the heavyweight title).
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']You said it right there - TNA Impact levels. Impact has one of the most recognizable pro wrestlers on the planet main eventing right now and it hasn't done shit for ratings.[/QUOTE]

That's a good point, but the difference is that Angle has main evented multiple PPVs, been on the shows when ratings were high, was a part of the shows successes. Punk has been on one national TV show for 5 months, and a show that has had steadily declining ratings.

I'm not saying Punk isn't over, but that we may be overestimating how much fan interest there really is. We may be exactly right, though, that he's being held back by petty politics and company idiocy that values some ill-enforced concept of respecting company elders instead of taking into account the things the fans genuinely want to see. It sure seems probable that he'll suffer for being the guy Heyman pushed and pushed to get on the air and make a star.

But that's not to say that he's anywhere in Angle's league at this point in his career in terms of fan interest. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
 
You eat breakfast? Really into the apples and oranges thing today...

Anyhow, I definitely agree with the Carlito/Masters bit. Unfortunately, it probably isn't going to happen. Remember when Trish turned on Jericho at WM, costing him his "brother vs brother" match or whatever it was with Christian (Heh, remember when Edge & Christian were billed as brothers?) THAT was good booking. Not gonna happen now though. I'd love to see Torrie spit an apple in Carlito's face at WM, but I seriously doubt these two are given a singles match in Detroit. Probably be apart of some clusterfuck MITB type match that neither has any legitimate shot of winning.

I've always thought that the writers should create fake controversial situations backstage and feed the "spies" bullshit information so people would stop believing everything the wrestling dirt sites report.

Speaking of... what happened to Monty Brown coming to WWE? Waiting for the Rumble? Might not hurt to have that guy on Raw now with the H's out.
 
Part of me believes that this news is an attempt of getting heat on Holly. You never know what WWE will do.

My main problem with the company is that they refuse to do what's good for business and support their fans. The ignore the fans that want to watch wrestling and try to do things that amuse themselves. RVD could have been amazing for ratings, but they cut him off. Tajiri had exciting ring presence when he first got to the WWE and they buried him. They had the most amazing roster for forever and they just squandered it to make themselves laugh (Katie Vick).

The product isn't as bad as when Evolution was around, but at this point I refuse to watch WWE. If Vince is only going to book for Vince, then Vince can have his RAW, Smackdown, and ECW brands. I'll stick to TNA and the other indies.
 
I mostly just idle in #wrestlingdb on EFnet because there's a bot in there that announces news posts from wwe.com, tnawrestling.com, pwtorch.com, slam.canoe.ca, wrestlingobserver.com, and pwinsider.com (maybe another site or two).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That's a good point, but the difference is that Angle has main evented multiple PPVs, been on the shows when ratings were high, was a part of the shows successes. Punk has been on one national TV show for 5 months, and a show that has had steadily declining ratings.[/QUOTE]

I guess it's pretty hard to tell if it matters, since Punk has been nowhere near main event on ECW outside of the Elimination Chamber. He gets main event (for ECW, anyway) reactions, but is on the Holly/Knox level on the card. That's another "apples to oranges" element of comparing him to Angle, obviously. We've seen what happens when Angle is the main attraction, we don't know with Punk because they won't let him be any closer than arm's length from a top spot.

So yeah - hard to tell if it matters, but it certainly wouldn't have HURT to have taken advantage of his popularity.

My main problem with the company is that they refuse to do what's good for business and support their fans. The ignore the fans that want to watch wrestling and try to do things that amuse themselves.
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I agree, and that's why I really enjoy the rare occasions when they are FORCED to go off-script because the fans won't accept anything else (turning Hogan face after his match against The Rock, semi-acknowledging Goldberg and Lesnar leaving after their match, hiring back Matt Hardy, etc).

I really wish I knew what it would take to wise Vince up. It's hard to tell where it went wrong. I find it hard to believe Stephanie by herself could drag the product down as far as it is, but maybe that really is the case.

We're not quite at 2000 WCW levels as far as nonsensical storylines/dead ends go yet. Having said that, even in its dying years, WCW usually put on a few outstanding matches on the undercard. WWE often doesn't even deliver THAT. Jeff Hardy vs. Johnny Nitro loses some of the appeal after you see it for the 6th time in 2 months, you know?


Call me nuts, but I can't WAIT for Wrestling Society X. To quote someone I saw on another board "it looks like every indy promotion ever puked in a bucket labeled WSX, and that is definitely awesome."

Sure, it could be awful, but the promo on MTV's website looked like a lot of fun. As long as they tone down the special effects for the pyros/explosions, and make it look a little bit less "polished" like TNA in the future, who knows? Maybe it'll turn out ok.

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?vid=127565

Make no mistake, Human Tornado is goofy enough and has just enough of a "cult following" online to become really popular if featured correctly. Teddy Hart could also break out here, and goddamn I loved the Jack Evans INHALER spot. Oh, and New Jack is in it too, so I'm sure they'll do something with him as well.

As long as MTV doesn't flush it immediately, I would NOT be surprised to see this thing outdraw ECW running head-to-head within a few weeks if it doesn't suck. This may be what "ECW II" should have been. I hope so.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']
Make no mistake, Human Tornado is goofy enough and has just enough of a "cult following" online to become really popular if featured correctly. Teddy Hart could also break out here, and goddamn I loved the Jack Evans INHALER spot. Oh, and New Jack is in it too, so I'm sure they'll do something with him as well.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of Tornado, he won the PWG World Championship Saturday night. He's fucking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAA6dc9GAFI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5FJM9igcUs
 
Another excellent PPV.

Rhino/AJ - great match. Rhino picks up the win but makes AJ look like a better heel in the process. Second favorite match of the night.
X-Division 3 way - decent. Lynn looked ok in the ring. He's in pretty good shape but his ring work was somewhat toned down. Daniels looked as good as always, Sabin comes out of the match getting good heel heat, much like AJ.
PCS finals - not only a great match but hilarious skits as well. Another bowling trophy and both guys come out not only looking very strong but further the story line as well. Favorite match of the card.
Williams/Storm - pretty good match wrestling-wise but seemed to lack something, passion? Ring chemistry? I don't know... I guess the constrast in body type and ring styles ruined it for me.
VKM segment - best promo to date I think. Said some very relevant things that I (as well as many of you) have been thinking all along. Hemme was overacting a bit.. but she had some relevant points as well.
Team 3D/LAX - I wasn't expecting much and didn't receive much. I like Hernandez at all, but Homicide isn't exactly the best at dealing with 300 lb. guys. The AMW/LAX fights were a lot better. I guess it was as good as it could have been.
Joe/Angle - pretty damn good match. I admit I got kind of bored of it.. but the last few minutes were exciting. I'm glad that Angle won even though I predicted Joe getting the better of him. At least Joe came out looking strong, that's all that matters, since we all know Joe is the one that's going to take Angle's title in about 6 months.
3 way NWA title match - surprisingly good. Glad Christian won even though I wanted Abyss to retain, at least the story line's been furthered. I hope they use RVD right if he ever jumps. I'd like to see him in both the main event and in X-Division matches.

and cisco? That sucks about Angle's sister... I think we can all agree people need to learn to party safer. :)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']where the fuck is monty fucking brown[/QUOTE]

PWInsider.com reported today in fact that....

[quote name='PWInsider.com']Steven Fernandes sent these items. ... WWE.com has updated their lineups for the New Zealand tour next month. Now, they only advertised 2-3 matches for each show and the rest are scheduled to appear. Anyway, Monty Brown is mentioned with the ECW talent scheduled to appear. They removed Great Khali and Daivari (for obvious reasons) as well as Mike Knoxx from the original lineups. They also included Sylvester Terkay, Elijah Burke and Trinity in the updated lineups. Meanwhile Test was never in the original lineup nor in the updated lineup. Also, WWE.com has a poll for a new Edge T-shirt. They all have the "R" logo, and a couple of new (at least new to me) slogans "Crude, Lude and Tattoo'd" and "I am not your damn role model".[/quote]
 
[quote name='Demo man']WWE.com has a poll for a new Edge T-shirt. They all have the "R" logo, and a couple of new (at least new to me) slogans "Crude, Lude and Tattoo'd" and "I am not your damn role model".[/QUOTE]


Awesome, I love/have all the Rated R merchandise. I'd buy all four if they printed them.
 
Hey guys. It's been a while. IMO WWE will stay the same old shitty shows week in week out and Vince will stay on top unless someone is ballsy enough to start another ratings war. By ballsy I mean look at the type of shit Bischoff did back in the day. Until then, we will be bitching about the same things. Even though I didn't like Bischoff, he is the one that fueled Vince's fire. There is no fire now, and won't be for a while. Someone needs to step up to the plate. Does anyone care to agree/disagree with me?
 
[quote name='getmeoutofjoliet']Awesome, I love/have all the Rated R merchandise. I'd buy all four if they printed them.[/QUOTE]

While, as a grammarian, I resent the "lude" mishap, I think I resent the "tattooed" part more. He has a generic-ass sun on his shoulder, which is probably less ink than most sorority chix (with their stupid "asshat" lowerback tattoos) have.

He's about as tattooed as Chris Masters is organic.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']While, as a grammarian, I resent the "lude" mishap, I think I resent the "tattooed" part more. He has a generic-ass sun on his shoulder, which is probably less ink than most sorority chix (with their stupid "asshat" lowerback tattoos) have.
[/QUOTE]

Didn't he just get a new tattoo?

Something like a giant black star?
 
I must have not noticed it because it was so tiny. :lol:

Edit: You sure you aren't thinking about the fact that his left shoulder has a coverup piece on it? I know it's a couple years old by now, but it still looks a bit different.

Seriously, though, compared to nobodies like Shannon Moore and CM Punk, as well as somebodies like Batista and Rey Mysterio, Edge can't claim the "tattooed" moniker, IMO.

I'm probably forgetting a few other people; not to mention around 75% of all the OVW trainees at the show (identified by their tans, OVW shirts, and the fact that they were the dudes setting up and taking down the ring) were covered in various states, from white trash Phil Anselmo/Henry Rollins style to the more detailed AFI-esque sleevework.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Off topic but getmeoutofjoliet don't I know you from another forum?

Bestbuysux.org that is.
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Wha?!? another GMOOJ?!?!


I just shopped at best buy today! For the first time in like 5 years lol!

[quote name='mykevermin']
While, as a grammarian, I resent the "lude" mishap, I think I resent the "tattooed" part more. He has a generic-ass sun on his shoulder, which is probably less ink than most sorority chix (with their stupid "asshat" lowerback tattoos) have.

He's about as tattooed as Chris Masters is organic.[/QUOTE]


I really just like the overall design of t-shirts and stuff, what is "lude"?
I really like that all my friends think Rated-R superstar is just a designer brand. :lol:




ohh... Lewd.
 
I'll bet WWE is *thrilled* that THQ picked up the UFC license.

This is another gesture that indicates they'll end up with EA sooner later.

[quote name='getmeoutofjoliet']ohh... Lewd.[/QUOTE]

Indeed.
 
[quote name='kmartbum001']brock lesnar will be back[/QUOTE]
Probably not.

At least, not in the WWE.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I must have not noticed it because it was so tiny. :lol:

Edit: You sure you aren't thinking about the fact that his left shoulder has a coverup piece on it? I know it's a couple years old by now, but it still looks a bit different.

Seriously, though, compared to nobodies like Shannon Moore and CM Punk, as well as somebodies like Batista and Rey Mysterio, Edge can't claim the "tattooed" moniker, IMO.

I'm probably forgetting a few other people; not to mention around 75% of all the OVW trainees at the show (identified by their tans, OVW shirts, and the fact that they were the dudes setting up and taking down the ring) were covered in various states, from white trash Phil Anselmo/Henry Rollins style to the more detailed AFI-esque sleevework.[/QUOTE]

No, this one is a star on his right arm.

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Edge - at least for me - will be forever metaphysically tattooed with "WHO CARES?". Right on his forehead.
 
[quote name='Brak']Edge - at least for me - will be forever metaphysically tattooed with "WHO CARES?". Right on his forehead.[/quote]

got dat right
 
Kurt Angle was injured during last night’s Iron Match against Samoa Joe, suffering a concussion after being kicked in the head at TNA’s Final Resolution PPV. Angle was in a considerable amount of pain after the match and spent a good amount of time on the ring apron before being helped backstage. Angle told his colleagues that there are parts of the match that he doesn’t even remember, although he was feeling better later in the evening.
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Kurt turned 38 last month. I hate to say it but I don't see him making it to 50.

Also, Monty Brown hasn't appeared because WWE wants him to rehab his injured knee. He's also supposed to debut as a heel for whatever that's worth. Ask and ye shall receive!
 
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