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[quote name='DiscoDuck8k']What's the best way to go about getting Stomach Upset and Nothing Special? I'm having so much trouble with these.[/quote]
My friend got the stomach upset after she joined us in the very beginning then went idle and came back in time for the finale. Somehow she was able to get the achievement and we weren't...
 
Finally got my Xbox copy, but I have a fair bit of experience from the PC copy, so if there is a group of CAGs looking for another player, please feel free to message me.

On a side note, I can not stand the quick matches, I have not been able to finish a single campaign because the party leader left. That is aggravating.
 
Finally got Safety First a few minutes ago by running through No Mercy on Easy using nothing but melee. The only problem is that I seemed to get an abnormal number of tanks because I was moving so fast, but you can usually just run away and let your AI team kill them. I swear we should have had this achievement a long time ago, but this seems to be the easiest way.
 
[quote name='DiscoDuck8k']What's the best way to go about getting Stomach Upset and Nothing Special? I'm having so much trouble with these.[/QUOTE]

I got "Stomach Upset" without trying, on my first ever playthrough of Blood Harvest on Easy earlier today.
 
I finally got that dead wreckoning achievement or whatever after being kicked out of 20 versus games as soon as I logged into one... that's one of the many reasons why I think Versus is garbage.
 
LOL @ random scum kicking arguably one of the best CAG players here.

I can't say I'll return to Versus anytime soon either. The last couple of matches were frustrating and way off balance. Apparently most teams either pose no challenge whatsoever with members quitting whenever the opportunity arises or we end up matched against a bunch of glitchers who won't stop raping us.

I would like to finish up those achievements however so if anyone wants to hunt for those get at me. I only need a couple more because when Skate 2 comes out next week I probably won't be touching this game for a few weeks.
 
A question on achievements like "Nothing Special": Say you get hurt by a special infected, but then let yourself die and restart from the last safehouse. If you then finish the campaign without taking damage, will you get the achievement?
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']LOL @ random scum kicking arguably one of the best CAG players here.

I can't say I'll return to Versus anytime soon either. The last couple of matches were frustrating and way off balance. Apparently most teams either pose no challenge whatsoever with members quitting whenever the opportunity arises or we end up matched against a bunch of glitchers who won't stop raping us.

I would like to finish up those achievements however so if anyone wants to hunt for those get at me. I only need a couple more because when Skate 2 comes out next week I probably won't be touching this game for a few weeks.[/quote]

haha the best was making it to the saferoom before anyone on my team and they'd bitch and complain that I didn't go back to help and that I "didn't stick together" with them. Seriously? I told them they needed to keep pushing and couldn't stop and sit around waiting to get pounced on, that's why they died and I didn't. I saw three green checks on the screen go up and I was gone, ha.

Anyways, is Skate 2 any good? I'm to lazy to download the demo... I've heard mixed opinions so far.
 
[quote name='cmart05']haha the best was making it to the saferoom before anyone on my team and they'd bitch and complain that I didn't go back to help and that I "didn't stick together" with them. Seriously? I told them they needed to keep pushing and couldn't stop and sit around waiting to get pounced on, that's why they died and I didn't. I saw three green checks on the screen go up and I was gone, ha.

Anyways, is Skate 2 any good? I'm to lazy to download the demo... I've heard mixed opinions so far.[/quote]

...Wow. What a bunch of morons. They deserve each other... clearly.

As for Skate 2... eh. I'd like to say the demo was solid if only because it felt exactly as the original did only with better graphics and more tricks. I will admit the sequel feels more like a video game than the last. It has a very fictional/cartoony feel to it now which will take a little time to get used to for most players. The camera seemed a lot more loose than usual and can get annoying real quick until you've adapted to it. The off board walking however is very very POOR. Surprising poor in fact as you can't even back up while facing forward and you're forced to turn with the right trigger. Moving objects is even worse because you have to rotate it with the right and move with the left making me wonder why anyone approved of this ridiculous control scheme in the first place.

They also dicked around with the physics engine which will undoubtedly garner mixed feelings. Flip tricks and manuals are a league easier to perform and land clean in/out of... but crouching for an ollie seems to cut your speed in half even after a 3-push forcing you to step your timing game up tremendously. Not a big deal, but WILL piss off a few until they've adjusted which thankfully doesn't take long. I've also noticed powersliding takes precedence over your feet stopping the board. After a few runs of the demo I still haven't found out how to stop to a halt now without sliding. Very annoying and one of the main reasons I'm not looking forward to racing downhill until I've figured it out.

All and all it's a definite buy for me. Just make sure you download the demo soon because I heard tomorrow is the last day to grab it.

P.S. - Because of the ollie issue and increased sensitivity for performing manuals going up vert ramps and getting any decent air was a huge problem for me. Pushing up usually meant an automatic nose manual so beware. I seriously hope I can get my bearings straight before the game's release.
 
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I really want to get those versus achievements and never touch versus again, at least until Valve releases a patch. I'm down for boosting most nights this week.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']God damn it, 4 straight nights trying to get Nothing Special and I swear it cant be done.[/quote]

I know five people that have gotten it including my wife.
 
I beat Dead Air and Blood Harvest by myself and Death Toll online to get the achievements for completing all 4 campaigns (already finished No Mercy with another friend weeks ago). I love this game.

For nothing special, must you beat all 4 campaigns in one sitting, or just beat all 4 at least once on Expert?
 
So if you ever get hit by a special infected, even if you die and restart from the last safehouse, you can't get the achievement? That's ridiculously hard. I think I would break my 360 if I ever made it all the way and then got hurt by the 2nd tank in the finale...
 
Patch coming soon, glad they made the Smoker a little more better.

January 14, 2009 - Left 4 Dead Update Released


Left 4 Dead has been updated with a host of fixes, tweaks and new features, including enhancements to Versus mode for improved competitive play. The full change list is below. For PC users the update will be applied automatically via Steam. Meanwhile, the update will be made available to Xbox 360 players in the coming weeks.

General


  • Fixed Survivors being able to climb surfaces marked for versus infected only
  • Fixed a class of SurvivorBot bugs dealing with rescuing downed players
  • Players can no longer grab ladders while flying through the air after a Tank punch
  • Shooting near a car with an alarm that has already fired the alarm will no longer make chirping noises
  • Improved loading time
  • Fixed mini-gun physics exploit
  • Fixed propane tanks (and other physics objects) causing players to fall through elevators
  • Fixed rare achievement bug issues
  • Fixed several map exploits
  • Fixed various match making issues
  • Fixed NAT traversal issues

Versus Changes

  • Added HUD elements to show status of other infected players
  • Changed color of infected player name in chat to red
  • Fixed exploit where players could spawn infected bots
  • Fixed instance where a Survivor changing to the infected team would be attacked by infected bots
  • Normalized special infected melee damage
  • Made the following client commands cheat protected: "Kill" and "explode"
  • Fixed exploit where infected players could run away and teleport back to gain health
  • Players can only change teams once per map
  • Players can't change teams while other players are still loading
  • Tank spawns at the same % through the map for both teams in versus mode
  • Made the Tank and Witch spawn directly on the escape route
  • Increased chance of getting the Tank or Witch
  • Fixed team swap issue

Hunter

  • Easier to pounce a Survivor who is meleeing
  • Increased Minimum damage a Hunter pounce does

Smoker

  • Fixed Smoker tongue tolerance
  • Smoker now has to be killed or the tongue destroyed for the tongue to break
  • Survivors cannot bash someone off the tongue until the Survivor being pulled is paralyzed or hanging
  • Tongue attacks that fail to paralyze or hang a Survivor will use the shorter ability delay timer
  • Fixed cases where the ability timer was not using the correct time
  • Fixed case where you could point at a Survivor but not register a tongue hit
  • Fixed Smoker tongue not targeting and landing properly through PZ ghosts
  • Smoker tongue does damage every second while dragging paralyzed Survivors

Tank

  • Bashable objects now appear with a red glow
  • Tanks hitting a car with an alarm disables the alarm permanently
  • Tank frustration timer is only reset by hitting Survivors with rocks or fists
  • Reduced autoshotgun damage against Tanks

Witch

  • Witch spawns at the same % through the map for both teams
  • Avoids spawning within a certain % of the tank
  • Fixed an exploit where the Witch could be woken up and tricked into attacking Survivors
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The second Left 4 Dead television commercial starts its run on network and cable television tomorrow — Tuesday, November 18 — the same day Valve's zombie thriller launches worldwide on Steam. The commercial is part of a $10 million marketing campaign for the highly-anticipated title, which is available for a special pre-order price until the time of launch at participating retail outlets and via Steam.

The second TV spot is available in 720p and 1080p formats as well as downloadable versions for your iPod and iPhone.
 
LOL! It seems they've fixed our favorite glitch. ;(

I suggest y'all hop on board the cheat train while you can for No Mercy and Death Toll as well.
 
Son of a bitch with that new smoker I have to get nothing special quick.


But nothing is said with the movable objects in verses? That generator really needs to be fixed.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Son of a bitch with that new smoker I have to get nothing special quick.


But nothing is said with the movable objects in verses? That generator really needs to be fixed.[/quote]


I'm hoping that's what they were referring to when they said "map exploits".
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']I'm hoping that's what they were referring to when they said "map exploits".[/quote]

No joke. They're starting to really piss me off.

Had to deal with the forklift blocking the door in the warehouse and the dumpster blocking the manhole opening going up to the hospital on No Mercy - Sewers. Got through the forklift, but the dumpster is impossible to move, since you can't do a thing on the ladder. :bomb:
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Son of a bitch with that new smoker I have to get nothing special quick.


But nothing is said with the movable objects in verses? That generator really needs to be fixed.[/QUOTE]

I would expect it to be included, as that was fixed back in the beginning of December on the PC.

December 5, 2008 - Left 4 Dead Update Released

Left 4 Dead


Fixed Infected Players melee pushing large objects to block the survivors path

Fixed +lobby exploit

Fixed exploit of "hugging" the Witch from behind where she can't hit you

Fixed players not being kicked from a vote by changing their name before it succeeds

Disabled difficulty change votes from the console in versus mode
 
[quote name='IvanHood']"Fixed mini-gun physics exploit"

Uh-oh. If anyone wants to get Dead Air on Expert quickly, do it soon![/QUOTE]

Wha wha what?! Tell me more!
 
[quote name='Deadpool']Wha wha what?! Tell me more![/quote]
At the mounted mini-gun at the finale of Dead Air go and melee the shit out of it and jump on top of it where it'll send you flying. It'll take a lot of trial and error to get it to send you flying vertically instead of horizontally. Once you've got it to where you you can jump vertically, jump on top of the wing of the plane and just wait until they say it's okay for you to board the plane. From here the horde can't get you and only thing you should take caution of is smokers, since Tanks won't even know where you are so they'll disappear almost as soon as they arrive.
 
The Dead Air glitch is pretty damn easy once you get used to it. I'd say between 50 - 100 melee smacks is good enough to get you on top of the plane. The trick is to add more if the bounce isn't right and to jump as close to the right side of the sand bags as possible so you end up directly on top of the gun.

You know you've done it right if you've only had to jump once because the glitch does the rest of the work. It's supposed to bounce you up the rest of the way. Also... camping on the wing isn't a great idea because Smokers are more likely to grab you there than anywhere else. The ideal spot is in the middle of the plane. Just use crouch melee and when the plane opens run to the tail. You'll immediately fall through it and land on the ground without taking damage.
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']The Dead Air glitch is pretty damn easy once you get used to it. I'd say between 50 - 100 melee smacks is good enough to get you on top of the plane. The trick is to add more if the bounce isn't right and to jump as close to the right side of the sand bags as possible so you end up directly on top of the gun.

You know you've done it right if you've only had to jump once because the glitch does the rest of the work. It's supposed to bounce you up the rest of the way. Also... camping on the wing isn't a great idea because Smokers are more likely to grab you there than anywhere else. The ideal spot is in the middle of the plane. Just use crouch melee and when the plane opens run to the tail. You'll immediately fall through it and land on the ground without taking damage.[/quote]


I never got why people did that one. It much much easier to stand in the corner under those pillars. The horde has to run 100 yards before they even get to you making them easy to pick off.

The only thing you have to worry about is coming out for tanks, and if you walk behind the plane to the left the tank will try to climb it giving you like a full 30 seconds of shooting him for an easy kill.

I got untouchables with all bots on Dead Air.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I never got why people did that one. It much much easier to stand in the corner under those pillars. The horde has to run 100 yards before they even get to you making them easy to pick off.

The only thing you have to worry about is coming out for tanks, and if you walk behind the plane to the left the tank will try to climb it giving you like a full 30 seconds of shooting him for an easy kill.

I got untouchables with all bots on Dead Air.[/quote]

if you got untouchables how did you not get nothing special
 
[quote name='cmart05']if you got untouchables how did you not get nothing special[/quote]

Cause untouchables is only the finale and nothing special is an entire campaign?
 
[quote name='cmart05']if you got untouchables how did you not get nothing special[/quote]

?? Because they are totally unrelated?

One is dont take any damage after calling for the rescue and the other is not taking any damage from special infected for an entire campaign.


The real problem is the game keeps screwing us over. When we are going through the levels the AI director spawns the fucking tanks right on top of us.

Seriously one time I walked around a corner and it spawned on directly behind me that punched me before I even heard the music. Another time I walked into a room and literally saw the tank appear out of thin air and attack us.

Why dont you help a brother out if you got it so easy?
 
[quote name='bs000']Cause untouchables is only the finale and nothing special is an entire campaign?[/quote]

naaa get out of here?!
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']?? Because they are totally unrelated?

One is dont take any damage after calling for the rescue and the other is not taking any damage from special infected for an entire campaign.


The real problem is the game keeps screwing us over. When we are going through the levels the AI director spawns the fucking tanks right on top of us.

Seriously one time I walked around a corner and it spawned on directly behind me that punched me before I even heard the music. Another time I walked into a room and literally saw the tank appear out of thin air and attack us.

Why dont you help a brother out if you got it so easy?[/quote]

cuz you never asked for help.
 
Ugh. There's no point in being dicks senselessly. Everyone has their own way of doing things I'm just glad I need a couple more achievements to lay this game to rest for a long while.
 
TheRock88, thanks for the update post, but that TV spot aired a while ago. Was the first one I saw actually right around when the game came out. Unless it's being released more nationally?

edit: also, I can't believe you guys have so much trouble with Versus :/
with everyone on here you think you'd be able to get 6-8 people and eliminated the need for pubbies or at least outnumber them enough to boot them if they exploit glitches. I love Versus. Pretty much all I play.
 
I had a decent group of random players with me. The opposing team placed a generator in front of the elevator, but we still managed to dominate them. Good times.
 
[quote name='ubernes']TheRock88, thanks for the update post, but that TV spot aired a while ago. Was the first one I saw actually right around when the game came out. Unless it's being released more nationally?[/quote]

NP

I thought I edited out the tv spot info. It was from one of the older updates back in Dec.
 
[quote name='cmart05']I don't give a fuck about that update... give me some goddamn new maps.[/quote]The game being playable with a free update is much better to me than paying money for more content for a broken game. I look forward to the update. If you don't play versus, then I can see why the update doesn't help you much, though.

The autoshotgun being less effective against the tank is something that's great to see. The tank has been really fun to play against survivors with the normal weapons, but I can't even get hits in when the entire other team has the auto shotgun.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']
Seriously one time I walked around a corner and it spawned on directly behind me that punched me before I even heard the music. Another time I walked into a room and literally saw the tank appear out of thin air and attack us.
[/QUOTE]


LOL. One time during No Mercy, we had lost two people around the lift section by the gas station. I managed to get myself and another survivor to that first room through the hole (the one with the med station on the wall) and grabbed the other two survivors from that closet. While they all got situated, I checked the little narrow hall closet in that room and found the director had spawned a fucking tank.

Well, I need to abuse the Dead Air glitch before the patch. Damn homework! Maybe late tonight.
 
you'd think the 360 Elite models with the falcon chip were immune to the RRoD... yeah right.... see you guys in 2 weeks, lol.
 
[quote name='cmart05']you'd think the 360 Elite models with the falcon chip were immune to the RRoD... yeah right.... see you guys in 2 weeks, lol.[/QUOTE]

Whaaaa? :( Damn, sorry bro.
 
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Thats so damn creepy.
 
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