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[quote name='darkcrawlspace']I wanted to bump this thread so RedvsBlue could show off his new "Decimation" avatar.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, you noticed, I was going to bump it myself but I figured I'd be modest.

On a side note, I'm getting really psyched about Decimation now. The whole mutants back to being a minority has got me even more interested in their direction than before House of M started. Also, before someone points it out, yes, I am such a tool.
 
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NOW its a crisis :)
EDIT: 5 freakin lanterns. Wow.
Kiliwog
Alan Scott
Kyle
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Guy Garder
 
re: Ifinite Crisis #1

I figured as much... though I hope this decision doesn't bloat and convolute DC continuity (which was the reason for CoIE in the first place) and I'm sure Hypertime will be involved as a plot device.
 
I bought both Infinite Crisis and House of M. I like both, but the scope of IC is far more universal and involves the lives of the entire DC universe. House of M only seems to affect some heroes and not others (I do like the idea of getting rid of most of the mutants).

It is going to be really interesting to see what happens to the big three in the DCU. I hope the deaths in IC are permanent. I don't mind it when another person takes up the mantle of a fallen hero.

I've heard rumors that 2 big heroes will be replaced: Batman and Flash! Nightwing will assume the mantle of the Bat after Bruce Wayne is commited to Arkham Asylum. Wally West is supposed to die a la Barry Allen and Bart (Kid Flash) Allen will take up the Flash moniker. I'll go and find the links for these rumors.
 
Hey, DC historians. I have a question: has Batman ever been forced to protect the Joker's life against someone who wanted him dead?
 
[quote name='jmcc']Hey, DC historians. I have a question: has Batman ever been forced to protect the Joker's life against someone who wanted him dead?[/QUOTE]

I was a bit off...

EDIT: What really happened:

Action Comics #719 the Joker poisoned Lois. The cure, and this was devishly clever of him, could only be obtained by injecting him with a lethal dose of the anti-toxin. To save Lois Superman would have to kill the Joker. For anyone but Superman, this wouldn’t be much of an ethical quandary. Exchanging the life of an innocent woman for the life of a murderous psychopath – the same one who had set this plan into motion, no less – is an easy bit of moral calculus to figure. Superman should certainly find it unpleasant and regrettable that he was forced to kill the Joker, but that should not stop him from discharging his moral obligation to his fiancée. Of course, Big Blue refused to kill the grinning madman. Then he had the audacity to say that he was doing it for Lois’ sake! “If I’d killed the Joker, you would have had to deal with it, too. Knowing I’d killed for you… I knew you wouldn’t want that, you wouldn’t want to… live with it.”

Sure she wouldn’t, Clark. No woman would want her future husband to be forced to kill a human monster just to save her life. That would be so selfish of her. Fortunately for the beleaguered Mrs. Superman, the toxin was designed to only take her to the brink of death. It was little more than an elaborate “prank.”
 
[quote name='jmcc']Hey, DC historians. I have a question: has Batman ever been forced to protect the Joker's life against someone who wanted him dead?[/QUOTE]

In the late 90's DC/Marvel had a Batman Vs. Punisher. Batman saved the life of the Joker from getting whacked by ol' Mr. Castle.

Also, Batman saved Joker from being put in the electric chair for a crime he did not commit. It was a graphic novel, put out by DC sometime ago. The art was by Graham Nolan.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']I've heard rumors that 2 big heroes will be replaced: Batman and Flash! Nightwing will assume the mantle of the Bat after Bruce Wayne is commited to Arkham Asylum. Wally West is supposed to die a la Barry Allen and Bart (Kid Flash) Allen will take up the Flash moniker. I'll go and find the links for these rumors.[/QUOTE]

Well, according to that spoiler link you posted, Nightwing is still going to be an ongoing series. If that's true, then there's only possible explanation considering the CoIE tie-in:

Dick Grayson from Earth-2 (who was already a Batman-like character on that planet) will become the new Batman or take up the mantle of Nightwing. Sure they could hand it (mantle of Nightwing) to Tim Drake but then that leaves Robin blank and I haven't heard any cancellations for it either. Although Earth-2 Grayson supposedly died in CoIE, with everyone else coming back, why not?
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Well, according to that spoiler link you posted, Nightwing is still going to be an ongoing series. If that's true, then there's only possible explanation considering the CoIE tie-in:

Dick Grayson from Earth-2 (who was already a Batman-like character on that planet) will become the new Batman or take up the mantle of Nightwing. Sure they could hand it (mantle of Nightwing) to Tim Drake but then that leaves Robin blank and I haven't heard any cancellations for it either. Although Earth-2 Grayson supposedly died in CoIE, with everyone else coming back, why not?[/QUOTE]
The people that have been coming back so far were never "dead" per se. They were just in hiding, or off somewhere. Dick, WW, Huntress, and all the others from E2 died. They were shoved into the ground. The only E2 characters that weren't integrated into the single universe but still alive are Supes and Lois.

On a completely unrelated note, did anyone notice that Dick didn't attend his own burial? I found that kinda weird to tell you the truth... But it's 20 years old, so there's no use complaining.

I've got a feeling by the end of this Bruce is retiring/dead. (EDIT: Just read the spoiler... Like that one better, fits in with the insinuations the league has slipped about his mental health) Probably retiring. Dick will take up the mantle of the bat. I've got a feeling Babs will become the rumored "batwoman" and they'll get married fairly soon after (finally). Whether Tim stays as Robin all depends on what he decides to do with the government offer currently available. He may get a whole new codename, become nightwing, or something completely different.

Oh and jmcc, how about Batman proving Joker was innocent, and saving him from the electric chair. Read Batman: Devil's Advocate.
 
[quote name='Mouse']On a completely unrelated note, did anyone notice that Dick didn't attend his own burial? I found that kinda weird to tell you the truth... But it's 20 years old, so there's no use complaining.[/QUOTE]

Therein lies the answer. I considered that Earth-2 Grayson (Earth-2 Dick sounds like a really bad pr0n star name :lol: ) might be very well be pushing daisies but I also thought about what you were saying as well and hence my reasoning for Earth-2 'Batman' to return. Why would you attend the funeral for someone you know or suspect isn't dead? To keep up appearances? Dick isn't as meticulous or anal as Bruce so I figure that something is afoot. Also considering the appearance and revelation of Red Hood's true identity, I don't think a little misdirectional death is above someone from the Batman family.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']Therein lies the answer. I considered that Earth-2 Grayson (Earth-2 Dick sounds like a really bad pr0n star name :lol: ) might be very well be pushing daisies but I also thought about what you were saying as well and hence my reasoning for Earth-2 'Batman' to return. Why would you attend the funeral for someone you know or suspect isn't dead? To keep up appearances? Dick isn't as meticulous or anal as Bruce so I figure that something is afoot. Also considering the appearance and revelation of Red Hood's true identity, I don't think a little misdirectional death is above someone from the Batman family.[/QUOTE]
Oh no, I think that's insanity. Dick wasn't actually there at the time. He was at Tammaran with Kory. Read the Teen Titans storylines for that era. Nightwing, Korianan'dr and Jericho were all in a different solar system. I can't imagine a conspiracy there. E2D is dead, plain and simple.
 
[quote name='Mouse']Oh no, I think that's insanity. Dick wasn't actually there at the time. He was at Tammaran with Kory. Read the Teen Titans storylines for that era. Nightwing, Korianan'dr and Jericho were all in a different solar system. I can't imagine a conspiracy there. E2D is dead, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

You're forgetting what medium we're reading and anything that happened in the past can be easily retconned. Dying at the hands of the Joker didn't seem to keep Jason down nor making Hal Jordan's or Oliver Queen's death seem that much of a big deal. :lol:
 
They haven't retconned Jason's death. Retcon is where they go back and re-write it. Like for instace, after the initial crisis, Jason was retconned from a Dick Grayson clone into the surly teen we all know and killed. They just revived him. When Ollie Queen was brought back, that wasn't a retcon. Same goes with Hal Jordan and (one from marvel) Jean Grey.

I still wonder how Jason got back to life though. I'd have to assume a Lazureus pit, but there needs to be someone who put him in. Bats thought about it but didn't. So who knew who he was, and cared enough to do it? It had to have been a long time ago, for Jason to be as old as he is now. That's the real mystery.
 
...my THEORY is that as part of Batmans mind wipe Batman forgot that HE put Jason in the pit. It fits in just about every way...its justexplaining where Jasons been for years
 
You know... That's actually a damn good idea. But where has Jason been all this time. How would he know that Bruce's mind had been wiped? He would have responded differently during the huge Red Hood confrontation.


Plus, the timeframes don't work out. Bruce was mindwiped after Barry's trial, but before his death. Jason didn't die until post-crisis. Great theory, but it doesn't stand the test of time. Unless you can think of another reason Bruce would forget.
 
[quote name='Mouse']They haven't retconned Jason's death. Retcon is where they go back and re-write it. Like for instace, after the initial crisis, Jason was retconned from a Dick Grayson clone into the surly teen we all know and killed. They just revived him. When Ollie Queen was brought back, that wasn't a retcon. Same goes with Hal Jordan and (one from marvel) Jean Grey.

I still wonder how Jason got back to life though. I'd have to assume a Lazureus pit, but there needs to be someone who put him in. Bats thought about it but didn't. So who knew who he was, and cared enough to do it? It had to have been a long time ago, for Jason to be as old as he is now. That's the real mystery.[/QUOTE]

That's just it. Those guys HAVE been retconned. Hal Jordan and Ollie were supposed to stay dead. The fact that someone other than the original author of those arcs wrote them back to life means that the hype for the character was enough for DC to say, 'you know what? The comic guys really want these guys back and we could make a ton o' money doing so.' And as for Jason, you're forgetting about one thing in the latest ish of Batman. Bruce claims that the coffin was never occupied to begin with so Jason was never there. As I said, someone in the Batman family isn't above a little misdirection - it's part and parcel of their tradecraft.
 
[quote name='Mouse']They haven't retconned Jason's death. Retcon is where they go back and re-write it. Like for instace, after the initial crisis, Jason was retconned from a Dick Grayson clone into the surly teen we all know and killed. They just revived him. When Ollie Queen was brought back, that wasn't a retcon. Same goes with Hal Jordan and (one from marvel) Jean Grey.

I still wonder how Jason got back to life though. I'd have to assume a Lazureus pit, but there needs to be someone who put him in. Bats thought about it but didn't. So who knew who he was, and cared enough to do it? It had to have been a long time ago, for Jason to be as old as he is now. That's the real mystery.[/QUOTE]

I always assumed that a villian resurrected Jason. What if it was a hero? Maybe, ol' Green Arrow felt bad for Bruce (because he went through kind of the same thing with Roy's drug addiction) and resurrected Jason and then realized that it was the wrong thing to do. He has been keeping this secret for years. Now its come back to haunt him. Hell, he mindwiped Batman. What won't he do?
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']I always assumed that a villian resurrected Jason. What if it was a hero? Maybe, ol' Green Arrow felt bad for Bruce (because he went through kind of the same thing with Roy's drug addiction) and resurrected Jason and then realized that it was the wrong thing to do. He has been keeping this secret for years. Now its come back to haunt him. Hell, he mindwiped Batman. What won't he do?[/QUOTE]

I like that ALOT. Run with it. :)
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']Well, that smallville bit is what gets me going. Thats very interestnig...of course...whos to say Barry has to die? He'd make a great spectre[/QUOTE]

He might retire and be like Bart Allen's original (Impulse) mentor. I forget his name. He had a blue and white costume.

I also heard a rumor that Bruce Wayne would become the Spectre. I just can't remember where I heard it, otherwise I'd give you the link, but I just don't believe that rumor.

I just went through my copy of Infinite Crisis #1. I just noticed the page where Spectre appears in Gothom City. Look at where the Bat-signal is...hmmm...maybe there is something to that above mentioned rumor.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']He might retire and be like Bart Allen's original (Impulse) mentor. I forget his name. He had a blue and white costume.

I also heard a rumor that Bruce Wayne would become the Spectre. I just can't remember where I heard it, otherwise I'd give you the link, but I just don't believe that rumor.[/QUOTE]

As unlikely as I think the Nightwing as Batman thing is, I think this is even less likely. For one, it would be WAY too much like the Hal as Spectre as a way to kill him but still keep him alive storyline. There's WAY too many Batman fans out there for them to kill him and it would be way too cheesy for him to die with the intention of bringing him back.

Now, as for Nightwing as Batman, I don't think that's very likely either. The reason I don't think its likely is simply because you hear so many rumors/rumblings about it. That and the fact that I think it would be a crappy way to resolve Batman's sin of OMAC. I think it would be a far better plot-device to have him somehow go through a hell and high water to try and save the day and thus redeeming himself.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']As unlikely as I think the Nightwing as Batman thing is, I think this is even less likely. For one, it would be WAY too much like the Hal as Spectre as a way to kill him but still keep him alive storyline. There's WAY too many Batman fans out there for them to kill him and it would be way too cheesy for him to die with the intention of bringing him back.

Now, as for Nightwing as Batman, I don't think that's very likely either. The reason I don't think its likely is simply because you hear so many rumors/rumblings about it. That and the fact that I think it would be a crappy way to resolve Batman's sin of OMAC. I think it would be a far better plot-device to have him somehow go through a hell and high water to try and save the day and thus redeeming himself.[/QUOTE]

I love Batman. I really think that people have been giving him way too much shit with the "not trusting" anyone. Hell, who could blame the guy. His own so called "friends" mind-wiped him. They took something that many of us hold as very sacred. I do hope that Batman redeems himself, but in a way many members of the Justice League must redeem themselves as well.
 
Wow, I haven't been reading this Infinite Crisis, just waiting for the trade, but it looks like even then I won't be able to figure this all out. I've only been collecting Batman here and there, especially when Jim Lee came on board for that year story arc. I don't know if I can afford all the issues to get up to speed on this and the whole infinite Crisis story.

My Series:
Y: the last man
Preacher
Transmet
Sandman
X-men (and it's many variations)

Any other well done series/collections like 1602, etc. Going to start reading V for Vendetta next.
 
[quote name='SithFran'] I don't know if I can afford all the issues to get up to speed on this and the whole infinite Crisis story. [/QUOTE]

Issue 2 will catch everyone up, both readers and hero's
 
Im looking forward to the bookend issues anounced for the DC Crisis Mini series. Like a wrap up "7th" issue of Rann thanagar, Omac, Villians United. Anyone have a time for their release? They weren't in Dec previews pre orders.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']I love Batman. I really think that people have been giving him way too much shit with the "not trusting" anyone. Hell, who could blame the guy. His own so called "friends" mind-wiped him. They took something that many of us hold as very sacred. I do hope that Batman redeems himself, but in a way many members of the Justice League must redeem themselves as well.[/QUOTE]


Yes, that's very true. They set up each of the respective Big 3's fall from grace very well in that, sure what they did was wrong but under the circumstances seemed justified.

On the other hand, Superman is definetly being the biggest hypocrit about things. Wonder Woman had to kill Max because he was brainwashing Superman. Where my problem comes in is that Superman was killing people in his vision out of retribution for (what he believed) the deaths of those closest to him. If anyone should look the most tarnished it should be Superman, he was killing villians (as he thought) out of spite, not necessity.
 
[quote name='cag1000']Im looking forward to the bookend issues anounced for the DC Crisis Mini series. Like a wrap up "7th" issue of Rann thanagar, Omac, Villians United. Anyone have a time for their release? They weren't in Dec previews pre orders.[/QUOTE]

Day of vengeance will be out in January (same month as Infinite Crisis #4).

Also, Jan. Catwoman cover:
http://www.newsarama.com/imagepop.htm?imageURL=http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan06/CatwomanCv51.jpg

HOT

EDIT: note the Lost #'s on the sign :)
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Yes, that's very true. They set up each of the respective Big 3's fall from grace very well in that, sure what they did was wrong but under the circumstances seemed justified.

On the other hand, Superman is definetly being the biggest hypocrit about things. Wonder Woman had to kill Max because he was brainwashing Superman. Where my problem comes in is that Superman was killing people in his vision out of retribution for (what he believed) the deaths of those closest to him. If anyone should look the most tarnished it should be Superman, he was killing villians (as he thought) out of spite, not necessity.[/QUOTE]

To add fuel to the fire, Superman supposedly worked all this internal monologue stuff out while that British villain (whose name escapes me) who worked for Luthor (when he was President) who had the ability to alter reality or perceptions of reality.
 
I just found 2 issues of Wanted. Pretty fucking good.
I want to get the trade paperback. Do Borders coupons work on comic paperbacks? Are they considered real books?
 
[quote name='bobo2k4']I just found 2 issues of Wanted. Pretty fucking good.
I want to get the trade paperback. Do Borders coupons work on comic paperbacks? Are they considered real books?[/QUOTE]

You can use them on the trade papers but not the "regular", weekly comics.
 
This week seems so empty compared to last week's new comics. Don't get me wrong, there's some books I'm looking forward to like Batman 646, Justice 2 (if it doesn't get better this is my last issue), and Ultimate Spider-man (I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't like the current storyline).
 
...im not even reading Ult. Spidey. Switched back to Ult. X-men for Magnetic North. About to head up to work to do the New release wall. SOOO glad its a light week...sooo tired..
 
[quote name='neocisco']It's that time of week again, Nigel, so here goes...

Did Secret War 5 come in this week? (Commence laughing.)[/QUOTE]

My sides hurt! (nope, not yet)
 
It was originally 75.00

I'd say yes :)

BTW, if you like Ben Templesmith (the artist) he has a new book with Warren Ellis called "Fell". Amazingly good read
 
Ok well this ended up being a surprisingly good comic week. Anyway I think I'll just mini review it in Newsarama style wrapup:

(SPOILERS IMPLIED)

Batman 646- Definetly my favorite book of the week. I've gotta admit that when the Black Mask first revealed himself in War Games I was really disappointed but now I'm actually starting to like him. Basically this starts out as another Red Hood issue but it ends up becoming something much, much more. I'm actually surprised that they didn't have a Villians United tie-in listed on the cover because the implications at the end of this issue could prove to be far reaching, and quite interesting as well. On a side note, how come more of Gotham's villians haven't been signed up for the society yet?

Superman 222- Originally I wasn't planning on picking this up but after I flipped through it and saw Lois fighting an OMAC I had to have it. Definetly my second favorite book of the week, plenty of action and revelations. In fact, it answers one of the major questions left after OMAC project, how did all those people get infected as omacs? Great read, definetly.

Ultimate Spider-man 84- Wow, just wow. This issue really pulled me back into Ultimate Spider-man and the current storyline. Great action, even better comedy. This issue had me laughing more than the average issue of Cable Deadpool. The story is finally starting to pick up steam, despite the fact that looking back, not a whole lot happened in this particular issue.

X-men 176- Yet another disappointing issue of X-men. What makes it even worse is that sooo much happened in the Black Panther crossover (which is impossible to find...) so that your gonna be lost if you read just X-men. The stupid recap at the beginning of the issue didn't even cover what happened with the Black Panther issue. If it wasn't for Havok being the leader of the team I think I would have quit reading X-men about 10 issues ago. It seems like its just one convoluted, boring storyline after another. I think I'm mostly just pissed because this entire crossover just seems like nothing more than an excuse to help boost Black Panther's issue sales, just like the House of M crossover too (which in all fairness was a decent BP issue).

Justice 2- I think I may just stick with this maxi-series now. I told myself after the first issue that I would only pick up issue 2 cause it focused on Batman (why would you start a storyline with Aquaman? Yeah I know Ross is an Aquaman fan but still) and then quit reading the storyline after that. I've changed my opinion now cause this series seems like it might be kind of interesting. Alex Ross's artwork never disappoints and this issue definetly shows it.

Marvel Knight Spider-man 19- Ok I'm getting a little concerned about this "The Others" storyline now. Two issues into this crossover and NOTHING has happened. They've used the same cliffhanger twice now!!!! We get it, there's something seriously worng with Spider-man, reveal something already. This second issue was pretty much told entirely from MJ's point of view, which was really disappointing. One theme in this issue was a strain in their relationship and I couldn't help but think, good, dump the bitch, she's getting tired. Ultimate Spidey got the clue and dumped her ass why can't the regular one get with the program? (I just know someone's gonna reply and get pissed about me slammin MJ...)

X-men: Colossus Bloodline 2- So Mr. Sinister has something to do with Colossus's history now too. This guy's all over the place all of a sudden. First it was revealed that he was Gambit's pseudo-daddy (then again, is "X-Men: The End" considered cannon?) and now it looks like Colossus has something to do with him too. This should be kind of interesting.

Overall I'd say this week's books were quite surprising. I wasn't expecting much going into it but there was some real surprises in there.
 
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