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[quote name='dallow']You're like the intelligent version of Gizmo geko.[/quote]
I don't know whether that was a compliment or a condemnation.
I just don't like mistruths being propagated. This war is ugly enough as it is without lies getting spread around. I'll cover another misrepresentation (not his fault) from the other side below:
[quote name='guyver2077']tSince Microsoft's $20 pricedrop, Amazon has sold 1,000% more Xbox 360 HD DVD players (today the figure reads 200%, while might even mean double the 1,000% figure). Maybe it was the allure of five free HD DVD movies, or maybe it was the possibility of an extra twenty spot in consumer wallets. Either way, this example proves my ultimate theory on consumer economics.
People like cheaper shit.[/quote]
This figure (the 1000%) is misleading. The addon's sales RANK jumped 1000% on amazon. That does NOT mean that 10x as many units are going out the door, only that it is now selling better than 165 products that it formerly was selling worse than.
It could be selling 1000x as many units as before, 100x as many, 10x as many, or 1.1x as many. The sales rank doesn't tell us that. It only tells us what products it's outselling and what products are outselling it. Sales are up, obviously. We just don't know by how much.
I don't know whether that was a compliment or a condemnation.
I just don't like mistruths being propagated. This war is ugly enough as it is without lies getting spread around. I'll cover another misrepresentation (not his fault) from the other side below:[quote name='guyver2077']tSince Microsoft's $20 pricedrop, Amazon has sold 1,000% more Xbox 360 HD DVD players (today the figure reads 200%, while might even mean double the 1,000% figure). Maybe it was the allure of five free HD DVD movies, or maybe it was the possibility of an extra twenty spot in consumer wallets. Either way, this example proves my ultimate theory on consumer economics.
People like cheaper shit.[/quote]
This figure (the 1000%) is misleading. The addon's sales RANK jumped 1000% on amazon. That does NOT mean that 10x as many units are going out the door, only that it is now selling better than 165 products that it formerly was selling worse than.
It could be selling 1000x as many units as before, 100x as many, 10x as many, or 1.1x as many. The sales rank doesn't tell us that. It only tells us what products it's outselling and what products are outselling it. Sales are up, obviously. We just don't know by how much.
[quote name='dallow']Had to post this here:
Damn, Yamaha and their 11.2 AV receiver!
"stereo" subwoofers, nice.
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/yamaha-rx-z11-first-look
Not as expensive as I thought it'd be at only $5,499.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Denon have a 16 channel receiver a couple of years ago? I seem to recall that it was also in the $5000 range. Not sure what the practical application of that would be, but whatever.
Damn, Yamaha and their 11.2 AV receiver!
"stereo" subwoofers, nice.
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/yamaha-rx-z11-first-look
Not as expensive as I thought it'd be at only $5,499.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Denon have a 16 channel receiver a couple of years ago? I seem to recall that it was also in the $5000 range. Not sure what the practical application of that would be, but whatever.
[quote name='geko29']I don't know whether that was a compliment or a condemnation. I just don't like mistruths being propagated. This war is ugly enough as it is without lies getting spread around. I'll cover another misrepresentation (not his fault) from the other side below:
This figure (the 1000%) is misleading. The addon's sales RANK jumped 1000% on amazon. That does NOT mean that 10x as many units are going out the door, only that it is now selling better than 165 products that it formerly was selling worse than.
It could be selling 1000x as many units as before, 100x as many, 10x as many, or 1.1x as many. The sales rank doesn't tell us that. It only tells us what products it's outselling and what products are outselling it. Sales are up, obviously. We just don't know by how much.[/quote]Probably best I don't compare you to Giz, but it was meant to be a compliment!
As for that Amazon crap, yeah I know how that works.
Kinda like how Lumines' sales jumped into the tens of thousands after the exploit was found 85,000% SOUNDS like a lot right?
Hehe.
I just don't like mistruths being propagated. This war is ugly enough as it is without lies getting spread around. I'll cover another misrepresentation (not his fault) from the other side below:This figure (the 1000%) is misleading. The addon's sales RANK jumped 1000% on amazon. That does NOT mean that 10x as many units are going out the door, only that it is now selling better than 165 products that it formerly was selling worse than.
It could be selling 1000x as many units as before, 100x as many, 10x as many, or 1.1x as many. The sales rank doesn't tell us that. It only tells us what products it's outselling and what products are outselling it. Sales are up, obviously. We just don't know by how much.[/quote]Probably best I don't compare you to Giz, but it was meant to be a compliment!
As for that Amazon crap, yeah I know how that works.
Kinda like how Lumines' sales jumped into the tens of thousands after the exploit was found 85,000% SOUNDS like a lot right?
Hehe.
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']So then why would they then release TMNT and 300 without interactivity on Blu-ray?[/quote]
After the BD-Video 1.1 implementation date was pushed back from July to November, maybe they decided it wasn't worth waiting anymore? The date can always be pushed back AGAIN, after all. There's a lot more impetus (ie potential sales) to release a day-and-date blockbuster than a catalog title, even if it is recent. Perhaps they didn't want to miss out on the over quarter of a million sales that 300 will make on Blu-Ray by the end of the year. Contrast that with the 20k or so copies of Batman Begins they'd move if they released it right now. A completely different picture. They're committed, and they might as well wait it out.
I do expect that there won't be any more WB HD DVD exclusives in the upcoming months, they'll just release them without some of the special features as they've done with Blood Diamond, 300 and TMNT. Next summer, when BD-Video 1.1 compliant players are widely available, they can always re-release with the special features and make even more money. And the fans can't bitch about double-dipping because they got what they asked for.
After the BD-Video 1.1 implementation date was pushed back from July to November, maybe they decided it wasn't worth waiting anymore? The date can always be pushed back AGAIN, after all. There's a lot more impetus (ie potential sales) to release a day-and-date blockbuster than a catalog title, even if it is recent. Perhaps they didn't want to miss out on the over quarter of a million sales that 300 will make on Blu-Ray by the end of the year. Contrast that with the 20k or so copies of Batman Begins they'd move if they released it right now. A completely different picture. They're committed, and they might as well wait it out.
I do expect that there won't be any more WB HD DVD exclusives in the upcoming months, they'll just release them without some of the special features as they've done with Blood Diamond, 300 and TMNT. Next summer, when BD-Video 1.1 compliant players are widely available, they can always re-release with the special features and make even more money. And the fans can't bitch about double-dipping because they got what they asked for.
[quote name='geko29']After the BD-Video 1.1 implementation date was pushed back from July to November, maybe they decided it wasn't worth waiting anymore? The date can always be pushed back AGAIN, after all. There's a lot more impetus (ie potential sales) to release a day-and-date blockbuster than a catalog title, even if it is recent. Perhaps they didn't want to miss out on the over quarter of a million sales that 300 will make on Blu-Ray by the end of the year. Contrast that with the 20k or so copies of Batman Begins they'd move if they released it right now. A completely different picture. They're committed, and they might as well wait it out.
I do expect that there won't be any more WB HD DVD exclusives in the upcoming months, they'll just release them without some of the special features as they've done with Blood Diamond, 300 and TMNT. Next summer, when BD-Video 1.1 compliant players are widely available, they can always re-release with the special features and make even more money. And the fans can't bitch about double-dipping because they got what they asked for.[/quote]And in fact as I posted way back, it's been confirmed by the producers that the PiP features for the new version of 300 on BD are being worked on right now. (and it blows the HD DVD PiP away apparently)
Good thing I didn't buy 300.
I do expect that there won't be any more WB HD DVD exclusives in the upcoming months, they'll just release them without some of the special features as they've done with Blood Diamond, 300 and TMNT. Next summer, when BD-Video 1.1 compliant players are widely available, they can always re-release with the special features and make even more money. And the fans can't bitch about double-dipping because they got what they asked for.
[/quote]And in fact as I posted way back, it's been confirmed by the producers that the PiP features for the new version of 300 on BD are being worked on right now. (and it blows the HD DVD PiP away apparently)Good thing I didn't buy 300.
Dallow and yet strangely enough SONY is offering those Arthouse movies. The movies I and I'm sure some others would rather see then the crap they put on the big screen now mostly.
What are the Funimation titles and will they be offered on Japanese BR or HD DVD? I say this because I think Funimation are wankers who I feel would butcher certain Anime's, including the sub. After all they have the rights to "Dragonball Z" over here as well as perhaps "Dragonball" especially. "One Piece" I definitely won't be buying the American version's for obvious reasons as I've heard it was butchered to appeal to kids. There goes the Monkey Island humor.
As for HD PIP I don't care unless I see skin period or hot chicks showing skin I don't see in the movie. This explains why I'd LOVE to see "Cheer Dance" on HD DVD or BR since it was shot in HD or film. It WAS broadcast over HD in Japan after all.
edit: You can't tell me you wouldn't love to see "Pan's Labryth" or "The Promise" with the cinematography in both. I swear most American's are incompetant or stubborn when it comes to putting up beautiful visuals that can match Wuxia films by Zhang Yimov or others.
Oh guyver that price for Spidey should be $60 or less. That's NOT a good deal seriously. It accepts that Spidey 3 should be $30 for the HD version.
What are the Funimation titles and will they be offered on Japanese BR or HD DVD? I say this because I think Funimation are wankers who I feel would butcher certain Anime's, including the sub. After all they have the rights to "Dragonball Z" over here as well as perhaps "Dragonball" especially. "One Piece" I definitely won't be buying the American version's for obvious reasons as I've heard it was butchered to appeal to kids. There goes the Monkey Island humor.
As for HD PIP I don't care unless I see skin period or hot chicks showing skin I don't see in the movie. This explains why I'd LOVE to see "Cheer Dance" on HD DVD or BR since it was shot in HD or film. It WAS broadcast over HD in Japan after all.
edit: You can't tell me you wouldn't love to see "Pan's Labryth" or "The Promise" with the cinematography in both. I swear most American's are incompetant or stubborn when it comes to putting up beautiful visuals that can match Wuxia films by Zhang Yimov or others.
Oh guyver that price for Spidey should be $60 or less. That's NOT a good deal seriously. It accepts that Spidey 3 should be $30 for the HD version.
[quote name='Sarang01']Dallow and yet strangely enough SONY is offering those Arthouse movies. The movies I and I'm sure some others would rather see then the crap they put on the big screen now mostly.
What are the Funimation titles and will they be offered on Japanese BR or HD DVD? I say this because I think Funimation are wankers who I feel would butcher certain Anime's, including the sub. After all they have the rights to "Dragonball Z" over here as well as perhaps "Dragonball" especially. "One Piece" I definitely won't be buying the American version's for obvious reasons as I've heard it was butchered to appeal to kids. There goes the Monkey Island humor.
As for HD PIP I don't care unless I see skin period or hot chicks showing skin I don't see in the movie. This explains why I'd LOVE to see "Cheer Dance" on HD DVD or BR since it was shot in HD or film. It WAS broadcast over HD in Japan after all.
edit: You can't tell me you wouldn't love to see "Pan's Labryth" or "The Promise" with the cinematography in both. I swear most American's are incompetant or stubborn when it comes to putting up beautiful visuals that can match Wuxia films by Zhang Yimov or others.
Oh guyver that price for Spidey should be $60 or less. That's NOT a good deal seriously. It accepts that Spidey 3 should be $30 for the HD version.[/quote]The movies I want to see on BD were all made before 1970. I know I'm going to be waiting a long while before I get the ones I really want.
But yes, I do wish I could see Pan's Labrynth and Children of Men in HD.
But I have will power, I can wait.
The funimation title announced recently was both the Brolly movies on 1 disc or something. And yes, they are butchering the aspect ratio, as they always do. It's coming to the States, so no import's necessary. Not that I want it anyway.
Nor any crappy Tartan movies.
There's literally tens of thousands of movies out there, it's going to take while.
What are the Funimation titles and will they be offered on Japanese BR or HD DVD? I say this because I think Funimation are wankers who I feel would butcher certain Anime's, including the sub. After all they have the rights to "Dragonball Z" over here as well as perhaps "Dragonball" especially. "One Piece" I definitely won't be buying the American version's for obvious reasons as I've heard it was butchered to appeal to kids. There goes the Monkey Island humor.
As for HD PIP I don't care unless I see skin period or hot chicks showing skin I don't see in the movie. This explains why I'd LOVE to see "Cheer Dance" on HD DVD or BR since it was shot in HD or film. It WAS broadcast over HD in Japan after all.
edit: You can't tell me you wouldn't love to see "Pan's Labryth" or "The Promise" with the cinematography in both. I swear most American's are incompetant or stubborn when it comes to putting up beautiful visuals that can match Wuxia films by Zhang Yimov or others.
Oh guyver that price for Spidey should be $60 or less. That's NOT a good deal seriously. It accepts that Spidey 3 should be $30 for the HD version.[/quote]The movies I want to see on BD were all made before 1970. I know I'm going to be waiting a long while before I get the ones I really want.
But yes, I do wish I could see Pan's Labrynth and Children of Men in HD.
But I have will power, I can wait.
The funimation title announced recently was both the Brolly movies on 1 disc or something. And yes, they are butchering the aspect ratio, as they always do. It's coming to the States, so no import's necessary. Not that I want it anyway.
Nor any crappy Tartan movies.
There's literally tens of thousands of movies out there, it's going to take while.
[quote name='dallow']And in fact as I posted way back, it's been confirmed by the producers that the PiP features for the new version of 300 on BD are being worked on right now. (and it blows the HD DVD PiP away apparently)
Good thing I didn't buy 300.[/quote]Any info on when that re-released "new" version will come in? I held off on the HD-DVD version. Damn combo discs.
Good thing I didn't buy 300.
[/quote]Any info on when that re-released "new" version will come in? I held off on the HD-DVD version. Damn combo discs.
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Any info on when that re-released "new" version will come in? I held off on the HD-DVD version. Damn combo discs.[/QUOTE]
Has this been confirmed confirmed?
Last I heard, it was the producers wife who mentioned this in passing and there has been no solid information if this is true, or just wishful thinking.
Still sucks if this comes true, as this is a double dip that should have never happened had Blu-Ray launched with a finished code (at launch, and in July when they delayed it till October).
Has this been confirmed confirmed?
Last I heard, it was the producers wife who mentioned this in passing and there has been no solid information if this is true, or just wishful thinking.
Still sucks if this comes true, as this is a double dip that should have never happened had Blu-Ray launched with a finished code (at launch, and in July when they delayed it till October).
[quote name='mykevermin']http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2007/08/blu-ray-continu.html
65% (# of BR discs sold): 162,500 copies
35% (# of HD discs sold): 87,500 copies
Ouch. And y'all had all the extras, too![/QUOTE]
And Blu-Ray had 10x the amount of players old.
And more stores stocked Blu-Ray over HD DVD (with both selling out at many places)
And HD DVD was $5 more expensive.
Yet it still sold twice as many copies of both Pirates films combined which was 'huge news' a few months ago :lol:
The % are just about where most people figured they would be. Blu-Ray will continue to sell 2:1 until HD DVD becomes more mass adopted with lower priced players. If ANYONE thought HD DVD version of 300 would outsell the Blu-Ray version they were nuts. 300 seems to be a typical Blu-Ray owners movies (PS3 gamers).
65% (# of BR discs sold): 162,500 copies
35% (# of HD discs sold): 87,500 copies
Ouch. And y'all had all the extras, too![/QUOTE]
And Blu-Ray had 10x the amount of players old.
And more stores stocked Blu-Ray over HD DVD (with both selling out at many places)
And HD DVD was $5 more expensive.
Yet it still sold twice as many copies of both Pirates films combined which was 'huge news' a few months ago :lol:
The % are just about where most people figured they would be. Blu-Ray will continue to sell 2:1 until HD DVD becomes more mass adopted with lower priced players. If ANYONE thought HD DVD version of 300 would outsell the Blu-Ray version they were nuts. 300 seems to be a typical Blu-Ray owners movies (PS3 gamers).
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you would figure all the comic con nerds would get the hd version
[quote name='guyver2077']you would figure all the comic con nerds would get the hd version[/QUOTE]
...Why?
If they have a PS3 they would get in on Blu-Ray. Makes sense to me. While the HD DVD add-on for 360 sold pretty well, and the recent price drop + 5 free has helped, more people still have a PS3 and would opt for that. The whole PiP functions, while cool, would not make someone go out and buy a $180 add-on.
...Why?
If they have a PS3 they would get in on Blu-Ray. Makes sense to me. While the HD DVD add-on for 360 sold pretty well, and the recent price drop + 5 free has helped, more people still have a PS3 and would opt for that. The whole PiP functions, while cool, would not make someone go out and buy a $180 add-on.
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because these people usually know their stuff and the 300 cast kept talking about the hd dvd extras on the panel interview..
chances are they already have a 360...
yea but who knows
chances are they already have a 360...
yea but who knows
[quote name='dallow']The movies I want to see on BD were all made before 1970. I know I'm going to be waiting a long while before I get the ones I really want.
But yes, I do wish I could see Pan's Labrynth and Children of Men in HD.
But I have will power, I can wait.
The funimation title announced recently was both the Brolly movies on 1 disc or something. And yes, they are butchering the aspect ratio, as they always do. It's coming to the States, so no import's necessary. Not that I want it anyway.
Nor any crappy Tartan movies.
There's literally tens of thousands of movies out there, it's going to take while.[/QUOTE]
Ummm I mentioned importing it to get it NON-butchered. As for Tartan have you NEVER seen "A Tale Of Two Sisters"?! I would highly suggest you give it a chance, it's actually quite good.
You bumped up a notch in my book in terms of your taste when you mentioned your movie love though I'd suggest giving some 80's movies a chance.
But yes, I do wish I could see Pan's Labrynth and Children of Men in HD.
But I have will power, I can wait.
The funimation title announced recently was both the Brolly movies on 1 disc or something. And yes, they are butchering the aspect ratio, as they always do. It's coming to the States, so no import's necessary. Not that I want it anyway.
Nor any crappy Tartan movies.
There's literally tens of thousands of movies out there, it's going to take while.[/QUOTE]
Ummm I mentioned importing it to get it NON-butchered. As for Tartan have you NEVER seen "A Tale Of Two Sisters"?! I would highly suggest you give it a chance, it's actually quite good.
You bumped up a notch in my book in terms of your taste when you mentioned your movie love though I'd suggest giving some 80's movies a chance.
[quote name='guyver2077']because these people usually know their stuff and the 300 cast kept talking about the hd dvd extras on the panel interview..
chances are they already have a 360...
yea but who knows[/QUOTE]
But just because they have a 360 does not mean they have the HD DVD add-on. My thoughts, and always will be, is until games come out for the PS3 that people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because they need to somehow rationalize the $500-$600 they spent on it. Once you start seeing games, on a weekly basis, Blu-Ray sales will die down (and EB/GS will gets tons of used copies in). Just like what happened with UMD Movie sales and the PSP launch. Once games arrived, the UMD Movie sales died off. Now, I don't doubt a certain amount of people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because this thread obviously shows some people will buy both games AND movies, but I do believe you will a big drop in the amount of catalog and non 'huge' releases. I can understand Transformers and such selling really well even IF there are tons of PS3 games coming out, but smaller titles will suffer. Why spend $20-$30 on a 2 Blu-Ray movies when I can get a game instead? Again, MY opinion, but history has already proven it with UMD (yes, I know they had no competition and it could ONLY be played on the PSP, but the basis is still the same)
chances are they already have a 360...
yea but who knows[/QUOTE]
But just because they have a 360 does not mean they have the HD DVD add-on. My thoughts, and always will be, is until games come out for the PS3 that people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because they need to somehow rationalize the $500-$600 they spent on it. Once you start seeing games, on a weekly basis, Blu-Ray sales will die down (and EB/GS will gets tons of used copies in). Just like what happened with UMD Movie sales and the PSP launch. Once games arrived, the UMD Movie sales died off. Now, I don't doubt a certain amount of people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because this thread obviously shows some people will buy both games AND movies, but I do believe you will a big drop in the amount of catalog and non 'huge' releases. I can understand Transformers and such selling really well even IF there are tons of PS3 games coming out, but smaller titles will suffer. Why spend $20-$30 on a 2 Blu-Ray movies when I can get a game instead? Again, MY opinion, but history has already proven it with UMD (yes, I know they had no competition and it could ONLY be played on the PSP, but the basis is still the same)
[quote name='GizmoGC']And Blu-Ray had 10x the amount of players old.
And more stores stocked Blu-Ray over HD DVD (with both selling out at many places)
And HD DVD was $5 more expensive.[/QUOTE]
Yep, Blu-ray seems to have a lot going for it.
[quote name='GizmoGC']The % are just about where most people figured they would be. Blu-Ray will continue to sell 2:1 until HD DVD becomes more mass adopted with lower priced players. If ANYONE thought HD DVD version of 300 would outsell the Blu-Ray version they were nuts. [/QUOTE]
Is it time for the attach ratio argument again? Always seems to follow any release of sales figures.
[quote name='GizmoGC']300 seems to be a typical Blu-Ray owners movies (PS3 gamers).[/QUOTE]
How so?
And more stores stocked Blu-Ray over HD DVD (with both selling out at many places)
And HD DVD was $5 more expensive.[/QUOTE]
Yep, Blu-ray seems to have a lot going for it.
[quote name='GizmoGC']The % are just about where most people figured they would be. Blu-Ray will continue to sell 2:1 until HD DVD becomes more mass adopted with lower priced players. If ANYONE thought HD DVD version of 300 would outsell the Blu-Ray version they were nuts. [/QUOTE]
Is it time for the attach ratio argument again? Always seems to follow any release of sales figures.
[quote name='GizmoGC']300 seems to be a typical Blu-Ray owners movies (PS3 gamers).[/QUOTE]
How so?
[quote name='GizmoGC']But just because they have a 360 does not mean they have the HD DVD add-on.[/QUOTE]
Just because people own a PS3, doesn't mean they own a HDTV and are ready to drop an extra $10-$15 per movie to enjoy it in a higher resolution.
[quote name='GizmoGC']My thoughts, and always will be, is until games come out for the PS3 that people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because they need to somehow rationalize the $500-$600 they spent on it.[/QUOTE]
Very possible. But, when more games come out, PS3 sales will increase and will increase the amount of BD hardware even more. Even those that don't buy a single movie are pushing the hardware by owning hardware and buying BD software (games).
[quote name='GizmoGC']Once you start seeing games, on a weekly basis, Blu-Ray sales will die down (and EB/GS will gets tons of used copies in).[/QUOTE]
Disagree. Some will, some won't. But you forget that hardware will continue to increase. More PS3 games most likely means more PS3 hardware out there, which equates to more potential customers. And, keep in mind that there are plenty of PS3 owners who have yet to buy a single BD movie. Those may make the jump later on when the cost of movies and HDTVs decrease. So, I find the above statement very hard to believe.
Difference is, UMD was a terrible format. It offered less than the current format (DVD), was not that much cheaper, and was limited in where it could be played (only was available to PSP owners). BD, on the other hand, offeres more than DVD, is supported by more hardware manufacturers than just Sony.
On an individual basis, I can see you being right in some cases. But, hardware sales will not remain the same. Sales are still going (albeit slowly), and if games pick up and price decreases, I can see hardware moving even faster. Certain individuals, as you said, may show a decrease in BD purchases, but there will be many more individuals to potentially sell to. So, overall, sales will continue to climb.
Again, your argument completely negates the fact that there will be many more potential customers to sell to.
Just because people own a PS3, doesn't mean they own a HDTV and are ready to drop an extra $10-$15 per movie to enjoy it in a higher resolution.
[quote name='GizmoGC']My thoughts, and always will be, is until games come out for the PS3 that people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because they need to somehow rationalize the $500-$600 they spent on it.[/QUOTE]
Very possible. But, when more games come out, PS3 sales will increase and will increase the amount of BD hardware even more. Even those that don't buy a single movie are pushing the hardware by owning hardware and buying BD software (games).
[quote name='GizmoGC']Once you start seeing games, on a weekly basis, Blu-Ray sales will die down (and EB/GS will gets tons of used copies in).[/QUOTE]
Disagree. Some will, some won't. But you forget that hardware will continue to increase. More PS3 games most likely means more PS3 hardware out there, which equates to more potential customers. And, keep in mind that there are plenty of PS3 owners who have yet to buy a single BD movie. Those may make the jump later on when the cost of movies and HDTVs decrease. So, I find the above statement very hard to believe.
Difference is, UMD was a terrible format. It offered less than the current format (DVD), was not that much cheaper, and was limited in where it could be played (only was available to PSP owners). BD, on the other hand, offeres more than DVD, is supported by more hardware manufacturers than just Sony.
On an individual basis, I can see you being right in some cases. But, hardware sales will not remain the same. Sales are still going (albeit slowly), and if games pick up and price decreases, I can see hardware moving even faster. Certain individuals, as you said, may show a decrease in BD purchases, but there will be many more individuals to potentially sell to. So, overall, sales will continue to climb.
Again, your argument completely negates the fact that there will be many more potential customers to sell to.
[quote name='GizmoGC']But just because they have a 360 does not mean they have the HD DVD add-on. My thoughts, and always will be, is until games come out for the PS3 that people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because they need to somehow rationalize the $500-$600 they spent on it. Once you start seeing games, on a weekly basis, Blu-Ray sales will die down (and EB/GS will gets tons of used copies in). Just like what happened with UMD Movie sales and the PSP launch. Once games arrived, the UMD Movie sales died off. Now, I don't doubt a certain amount of people will continue to buy into Blu-Ray because this thread obviously shows some people will buy both games AND movies, but I do believe you will a big drop in the amount of catalog and non 'huge' releases. I can understand Transformers and such selling really well even IF there are tons of PS3 games coming out, but smaller titles will suffer. Why spend $20-$30 on a 2 Blu-Ray movies when I can get a game instead? Again, MY opinion, but history has already proven it with UMD (yes, I know they had no competition and it could ONLY be played on the PSP, but the basis is still the same)[/QUOTE]
Your argument completely negates a couple of things:
1) More movies, as well as games will be available. Personally, I think the BD movie selection is pretty crap right now. I find myself buying certain movies just for the sake of owning some in Hi-def.
2) While, as you say, some individuals may budget their money on games as opposed to movies (some won't), PS3 hardware sales will increase which will increase the amount of potential BD consumers overall.
Your argument completely negates a couple of things:
1) More movies, as well as games will be available. Personally, I think the BD movie selection is pretty crap right now. I find myself buying certain movies just for the sake of owning some in Hi-def.
2) While, as you say, some individuals may budget their money on games as opposed to movies (some won't), PS3 hardware sales will increase which will increase the amount of potential BD consumers overall.
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[quote name='KingDox']What the blue ray people should realise that even at 35% HD-dvd is far from dead. If it was 10% or less, now that is dead. HD-dvd just needs to stay alive long enough for the combo players to come out and the war will be a draw.[/quote]
But if your Universal, do you want to miss out on 65% of the user base?
And Dpatel, couldn't have said it better myself.
But if your Universal, do you want to miss out on 65% of the user base?
And Dpatel, couldn't have said it better myself.
[quote name='KingDox']What the blue ray people should realise that even at 35% HD-dvd is far from dead. If it was 10% or less, now that is dead. HD-dvd just needs to stay alive long enough for the combo players to come out and the war will be a draw.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, combo players are coming into the market too quickly, and I can't see either format dying by then, so, it will most likely be a two format war. Bleh...
Unfortunately, combo players are coming into the market too quickly, and I can't see either format dying by then, so, it will most likely be a two format war. Bleh...
[quote name='dpatel']Yep, Blu-ray seems to have a lot going for it.
Is it time for the attach ratio argument again? Always seems to follow any release of sales figures.
How so?[/QUOTE]
Eh.
No point. Its like talking to a Blue wall. I'm gonna go watch Hot Fuzz on HD DVD, enjoy your DVD.
Is it time for the attach ratio argument again? Always seems to follow any release of sales figures.
How so?[/QUOTE]
Eh.
No point. Its like talking to a Blue wall. I'm gonna go watch Hot Fuzz on HD DVD, enjoy your DVD.
*cries at lack of Hot Fuzz on BD*
At first, I wasn't going to buy any comedy movies in hi-def, but now I can't bring myself to buy a standard DVD. I'd rather wait until I, or Universal goes dual, even though watching a comedy in hi-def doesn't really make too much of a difference (at least not for me).
And, if you don't have anything to retort with, just say so. No need to resort to petty remarks (although I'll admit the blu-wall thing gave me a chuckle). Although, I'm curious as to why you would say that. Is there something, in the past, that I have said that lead you to believe that I am incapable of holding an argument that consists of facts and logic? Maybe you can point me to one of these instances.
At first, I wasn't going to buy any comedy movies in hi-def, but now I can't bring myself to buy a standard DVD. I'd rather wait until I, or Universal goes dual, even though watching a comedy in hi-def doesn't really make too much of a difference (at least not for me).
And, if you don't have anything to retort with, just say so. No need to resort to petty remarks (although I'll admit the blu-wall thing gave me a chuckle). Although, I'm curious as to why you would say that. Is there something, in the past, that I have said that lead you to believe that I am incapable of holding an argument that consists of facts and logic? Maybe you can point me to one of these instances.
[quote name='dpatel']*cries at lack of Hot Fuzz on BD*
At first, I wasn't going to buy any comedy movies in hi-def, but now I can't bring myself to buy a standard DVD. I'd rather wait until I, or Universal goes dual, even though watching a comedy in hi-def doesn't really make too much of a difference (at least not for me).
And, if you don't have anything to retort with, just say so. No need to resort to petty remarks (although I'll admit the blu-wall thing gave me a chuckle).[/QUOTE]
The sad thing is, its like talking to a blue-wall most of the time. Anything I say you will simply try and defend your chosen format...so whats the point?. I am neutral with a strong preference to HD DVD. I have both Blue and Red cases in my collection. As for Universal going neutral, don't plan on it anytime soon. If anything I imagine MS would keep it alive long enough to make it a standard in their next console instead of developing their own, or going Blu-Ray. Then again maybe we won't have games on discs anymore....
As for Hot Fuzz...its apparently a Tier 0 title and being called the best PQ on HD DVD at the moment. Kinda messed up for a friggin' comedy movie.
At first, I wasn't going to buy any comedy movies in hi-def, but now I can't bring myself to buy a standard DVD. I'd rather wait until I, or Universal goes dual, even though watching a comedy in hi-def doesn't really make too much of a difference (at least not for me).
And, if you don't have anything to retort with, just say so. No need to resort to petty remarks (although I'll admit the blu-wall thing gave me a chuckle).[/QUOTE]
The sad thing is, its like talking to a blue-wall most of the time. Anything I say you will simply try and defend your chosen format...so whats the point?. I am neutral with a strong preference to HD DVD. I have both Blue and Red cases in my collection. As for Universal going neutral, don't plan on it anytime soon. If anything I imagine MS would keep it alive long enough to make it a standard in their next console instead of developing their own, or going Blu-Ray. Then again maybe we won't have games on discs anymore....
As for Hot Fuzz...its apparently a Tier 0 title and being called the best PQ on HD DVD at the moment. Kinda messed up for a friggin' comedy movie.
[quote name='GizmoGC']The sad thing is, its like talking to a blue-wall most of the time. Anything I say you will simply try and defend your chosen format...so whats the point?.[/QUOTE]
I do take the side of BD the majority of the time, but, for the most part, our arguments have consisted of me questioning your facts or the logic behind some of your posts. The point is to justify your reasoning. I'd like to think of myself as being open to both formats. I've never needlessly bashed the competition, but I've noticed a lot of hypocrisy in your posts and that's what I am really pointing out.
[quote name='GizmoGC']I am neutral with a strong preference to HD DVD. I have both Blue and Red cases in my collection. As for Universal going neutral, don't plan on it anytime soon. If anything I imagine MS would keep it alive long enough to make it a standard in their next console instead of developing their own, or going Blu-Ray.[/QUOTE]
I know Universal will be the last to go, but I'm willing to wait. If it does look like it will be a one format gen (with blu-ray succeeding), I won't bother investing in HD-DVD. However, if nothing drastic happens within the next year, I see it being a two format gen, so, most likely, I'll get a combo player sometime down the line.
[quote name='GizmoGC']Then again maybe we won't have games on discs anymore.... [/QUOTE]
Personally, I don't see physical mediums disappearing anytime soon. Just like the music industry, digital and physical mediums will coexist for quite some time.
[quote name='GizmoGC']As for Hot Fuzz...its apparently a Tier 0 title and being called the best PQ on HD DVD at the moment. Kinda messed up for a friggin' comedy movie.[/QUOTE]
While I will eventually own it (either on BD or HD), it's sorta of a waste of PQ if you ask me. Would prefer a more visually appealing movie to be getting those sort of quality. Ah well, can't complain, the movie kicks ass.
I do take the side of BD the majority of the time, but, for the most part, our arguments have consisted of me questioning your facts or the logic behind some of your posts. The point is to justify your reasoning. I'd like to think of myself as being open to both formats. I've never needlessly bashed the competition, but I've noticed a lot of hypocrisy in your posts and that's what I am really pointing out.
[quote name='GizmoGC']I am neutral with a strong preference to HD DVD. I have both Blue and Red cases in my collection. As for Universal going neutral, don't plan on it anytime soon. If anything I imagine MS would keep it alive long enough to make it a standard in their next console instead of developing their own, or going Blu-Ray.[/QUOTE]
I know Universal will be the last to go, but I'm willing to wait. If it does look like it will be a one format gen (with blu-ray succeeding), I won't bother investing in HD-DVD. However, if nothing drastic happens within the next year, I see it being a two format gen, so, most likely, I'll get a combo player sometime down the line.
[quote name='GizmoGC']Then again maybe we won't have games on discs anymore....
[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't see physical mediums disappearing anytime soon. Just like the music industry, digital and physical mediums will coexist for quite some time.
[quote name='GizmoGC']As for Hot Fuzz...its apparently a Tier 0 title and being called the best PQ on HD DVD at the moment. Kinda messed up for a friggin' comedy movie.[/QUOTE]
While I will eventually own it (either on BD or HD), it's sorta of a waste of PQ if you ask me. Would prefer a more visually appealing movie to be getting those sort of quality. Ah well, can't complain, the movie kicks ass.
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I'm going to Universal Studios this weekend, where can I get a Blu-ray shirt to wear?
[quote name='Chris in Cali']I'm going to Universal Studios this weekend, where can I get a Blu-ray shirt to wear? [/QUOTE]
I'd like to get the shirt off one of the busty babes at the party Blu-Ray threw for The Digital Bits a few weeks ago. Those were some nice shirts...
[/QUOTE]I'd like to get the shirt off one of the busty babes at the party Blu-Ray threw for The Digital Bits a few weeks ago. Those were some nice shirts...
[quote name='dpatel']While I will eventually own it (either on BD or HD), it's sorta of a waste of PQ if you ask me. Would prefer a more visually appealing movie to be getting those sort of quality. Ah well, can't complain, the movie kicks ass.[/QUOTE]
Beats me. I'm to lazy to actually press start so I will just watch it this weekend instead. I have yet to see it, but re-watched Shaun of the Dead on HD DVD and am REALLY looking forward to it.
Beats me. I'm to lazy to actually press start so I will just watch it this weekend instead. I have yet to see it, but re-watched Shaun of the Dead on HD DVD and am REALLY looking forward to it.
[quote name='GizmoGC']The sad thing is, its like talking to a blue-wall most of the time. Anything I say you will simply try and defend your chosen format...so whats the point?. I am neutral with a strong preference to HD DVD.[/QUOTE]
So, would this make you a red-wall?
So, would this make you a red-wall?
[quote name='dpatel']So, would this make you a red-wall?[/QUOTE]
Could be, but I also own Blu-Ray movies. More like Purple then I guess...but with more red on it. Ok. A Purple wall where someone was just murdered and blood was all over the place. Ok, no more drinking for me :lol:
Could be, but I also own Blu-Ray movies. More like Purple then I guess...but with more red on it. Ok. A Purple wall where someone was just murdered and blood was all over the place. Ok, no more drinking for me :lol:
Barely see any blue on your wall, just my opinion though. Nothing wrong with supporting a certain format, just find it amusing that you find it necessary to call other people out on their biases (which I never really denied) when you, yourself, have one.
Just curious why you think this, since we're talking:
Just curious why you think this, since we're talking:
I could see that being the case. Although, with the difference in hardware sales, software, in general, showing a trend in favor of BD, and the fact that the movie sold pretty well on HD-DVD (considering the hardware sales) it's a pretty loose conclusion to come to.
[quote name='dpatel']Barely see any blue on your wall, just my opinion though. Nothing wrong with supporting a certain format, just find it amusing that you find it necessary to call other people out on their biases (which I never really denied) when you, yourself, have one.
Just curious why you think this, since we're talking:[/QUOTE]
Its an action movie with blood, gore, warriors, and slow-mo. Kids nowadays love slow-mo. They love rockin' the picture on their fantastic K-Mart 27" SDTV with composite connection as they post on GameFaqs how 'blue-ray is awesOMe!!!!!11. :lol:
Just curious why you think this, since we're talking:[/QUOTE]
Its an action movie with blood, gore, warriors, and slow-mo. Kids nowadays love slow-mo. They love rockin' the picture on their fantastic K-Mart 27" SDTV with composite connection as they post on GameFaqs how 'blue-ray is awesOMe!!!!!11. :lol:
That's really the chant of the casual crowd, and, as much as I hate to admit it, they are the ones that dictate the market (and the reason we get crap games and movies each year).
But, I don't really see this being exclusive to 300. If this was the only movie that sold better on BD, I could see your point, but I don't believe that is the case.
But, I don't really see this being exclusive to 300. If this was the only movie that sold better on BD, I could see your point, but I don't believe that is the case.
[quote name='dpatel']I know Universal will be the last to go, but I'm willing to wait. If it does look like it will be a one format gen (with blu-ray succeeding), I won't bother investing in HD-DVD. However, if nothing drastic happens within the next year, I see it being a two format gen, so, most likely, I'll get a combo player sometime down the line.[/quote] I don't think you'll have to wait that long (a year). I think this holiday season will tell the story. By CES in January, there should be almost no doubt what the conclusion of the war will be. Depending on what happens, that's when I'll be deciding whether to replace my HD-A1 with a higher-end G3 HD player (HD-A35 or XA3), or wait for a BD-Video 1.1 compliant combo player.
It'll be interesting to watch no matter what the results are.
[quote name='GizmoGC']They love rockin' the picture on their fantastic K-Mart 27" SDTV with composite connection as they post on GameFaqs how 'blue-ray is awesOMe!!!!!11. :lol:[/quote]
This is one of my pet peeves on both sides of the war. On the one hand, you've got the PS3 that comes with the same stupid composite video cable that shipped with the PS1, as opposed to including a component and/or HDMI cable, like MS does. On the other hand, I was setting up my Father-in-Law's new HD-A2 this week and was appalled to find composite cables in the box. Either include something WORTHWHILE, or leave it out of the box entirely.
It'll be interesting to watch no matter what the results are.
[quote name='GizmoGC']They love rockin' the picture on their fantastic K-Mart 27" SDTV with composite connection as they post on GameFaqs how 'blue-ray is awesOMe!!!!!11. :lol:[/quote]
This is one of my pet peeves on both sides of the war. On the one hand, you've got the PS3 that comes with the same stupid composite video cable that shipped with the PS1, as opposed to including a component and/or HDMI cable, like MS does. On the other hand, I was setting up my Father-in-Law's new HD-A2 this week and was appalled to find composite cables in the box. Either include something WORTHWHILE, or leave it out of the box entirely.
I'd be surprised if BD or HD comes out the winner. I've pretty much convinced myself that, sadly, this will be a two format gen. Hi-def is still a bit expensive for me, so it will be a while before I invest in a combo player. Only got into blu-ray because I was sorta forced into it. I think I can manage missing out on some titles for the next few years while prices of combo players drop. No must haves on either format, so I don't mind the wait.
[quote name='geko29']This is one of my pet peeves on both sides of the war. On the one hand, you've got the PS3 that comes with the same stupid composite video cable that shipped with the PS1, as opposed to including a component and/or HDMI cable, like MS does. On the other hand, I was setting up my Father-in-Law's new HD-A2 this week and was appalled to find composite cables in the box. Either include something WORTHWHILE, or leave it out of the box entirely.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, everyone is going to have different needs, which can't all be catered to. Which results in companies supporting the lowest common denominator. I was shocked to find that the premium PS3 only shipped with composite, but when I later found out their plan was to drop the 20GB, it made more sense (still sucks though).
I'm really surprised to hear that the HD-A2 only shipped with composite, as its whole purpose is to be used on a HDTV.
Unfortunately, everyone is going to have different needs, which can't all be catered to. Which results in companies supporting the lowest common denominator. I was shocked to find that the premium PS3 only shipped with composite, but when I later found out their plan was to drop the 20GB, it made more sense (still sucks though).
I'm really surprised to hear that the HD-A2 only shipped with composite, as its whole purpose is to be used on a HDTV.
Gizmogc, just curious as to when you think the decline in BD sales will occur (as a result of an increase in games). PS3 has a somewhat decent lineup for this year, or do you think it might take as long as Fall 2008 (a much better line up by then) to see the decline of BD sales?
Patel hopefully we'll end up getting the worthwhile foreign titles soon enough. Me? I'm hoping HD disc's take off in Korea and China so I can get the Asian stuff I really want in HD. I was willing to buy the Japanese HD DVD of "My Sassy Girl" when it was canceled or delayed.
Patel you have a 360 right? I'd like to add you since I think you're a fellow J-RPG fan and we're rare enough on the 360 over in America.
edit: Oh and I gotta ask you D. Why did you buy an American PS3 instead of a Japanese one? Foreign is worth it for the import bc. I mean what Western developed games are worth it except a handful?
Patel you have a 360 right? I'd like to add you since I think you're a fellow J-RPG fan and we're rare enough on the 360 over in America.
edit: Oh and I gotta ask you D. Why did you buy an American PS3 instead of a Japanese one? Foreign is worth it for the import bc. I mean what Western developed games are worth it except a handful?
[quote name='Sarang01']Patel hopefully we'll end up getting the worthwhile foreign titles soon enough.[/QUOTE]
Heh, you realize we've been saying this for months now.
[quote name='Sarang01']Me? I'm hoping HD disc's take off in Korea and China so I can get the Asian stuff I really want in HD. I was willing to buy the Japanese HD DVD of "My Sassy Girl" when it was canceled or delayed.
Patel you have a 360 right? I'd like to add you since I think you're a fellow J-RPG fan and we're rare enough on the 360 over in America.
edit: Oh and I gotta ask you D. Why did you buy an American PS3 instead of a Japanese one? Foreign is worth it for the import bc. I mean what Western developed games are worth it except a handful?[/QUOTE]
And, unfortunately, don't have a 360, just a PS3. I'm not really much of a JRPG fan. I probably would be if I had the time and motivation to devote to a single game. Lately, I've been sticking to shorter games (less time needed to get 'hooked', and you're satisfied much sooner without having to invest 30+ hours). This will also answer your question as to why I have an American PS3. I think I've given up on RPGs completely. I have so many good PS2 rpgs just sitting in my backlog that don't get played because of a lack of time and motivation.
Heh, you realize we've been saying this for months now.
[quote name='Sarang01']Me? I'm hoping HD disc's take off in Korea and China so I can get the Asian stuff I really want in HD. I was willing to buy the Japanese HD DVD of "My Sassy Girl" when it was canceled or delayed.
Patel you have a 360 right? I'd like to add you since I think you're a fellow J-RPG fan and we're rare enough on the 360 over in America.
edit: Oh and I gotta ask you D. Why did you buy an American PS3 instead of a Japanese one? Foreign is worth it for the import bc. I mean what Western developed games are worth it except a handful?[/QUOTE]
And, unfortunately, don't have a 360, just a PS3. I'm not really much of a JRPG fan. I probably would be if I had the time and motivation to devote to a single game. Lately, I've been sticking to shorter games (less time needed to get 'hooked', and you're satisfied much sooner without having to invest 30+ hours). This will also answer your question as to why I have an American PS3. I think I've given up on RPGs completely. I have so many good PS2 rpgs just sitting in my backlog that don't get played because of a lack of time and motivation.
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