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[quote name='GizmoGC']Its an editorial NOT an interview. There is way to much editorializing going on in there for it to be considered an 'interview'.
In that entire thing, how many quotes from the president of Universal are there? How much else is just stuff the 'interviewer' is just adding in to tout how awesome Blu-ray is? Its a site, funded by Blu-Ray backers. If you actually expect anyone but Blu-Boys to believe half that crap you are nuts.[/QUOTE]

What should I not believe? That Universal is going to continue to support HD-DVD? That they get pretty solid financial incentives to remain HD exclusive? They they turned down approaches from the BDA to release Blu-Ray discs?

:lol:
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Universal owns House but the show is played on Fox... still can never get my heard around that one.[/QUOTE]

Nothing weird about that. Friends was Warner, but was on NBC. Buffy and Angel were Fox, but was on the WB. What's really mind boggling is how Firefly was distributed by Fox, but Serenity is distributed by Uni.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What should I not believe? That Universal is going to continue to support HD-DVD? That they get pretty solid financial incentives to remain HD exclusive? They they turned down approaches from the BDA to release Blu-Ray discs?

:lol:[/QUOTE]

You're right. I should fully believe what a website that is backed by Blu-Ray says, I'm sure they won't take anything out of context or have an interview with 4 quotes :lol: Smurfs
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']You're right. I should fully believe what a website that is backed by Blu-Ray says, I'm sure they won't take anything out of context or have an interview with 4 quotes :lol: Smurfs[/QUOTE]

Well, if you're going to be skeptical of that article, then you should be concerned that Universal is going to jump ship and begin putting out BR movies any day now.

Otherwise, if you think that Universal will remain HD-DVD exclusive for the foreseeable future, then you agree with the article, whether you like it or not.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, if you're going to be skeptical of that article, then you should be concerned that Universal is going to jump ship and begin putting out BR movies any day now.

Otherwise, if you think that Universal will remain HD-DVD exclusive for the foreseeable future, then you agree with the article, whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha. Blu-Ray is so awesome and HD DVD sucks. I should have known. That silly format HD DVD only 1/3 of what the might Blu-Ray sold. Who cares if there is 10x the amount of players on the market...it does not matter. I thought you were not going to respond to my comments anymore? What happened? How about that graph I posted? I enjoy how Blu-Ray was suppose to be 3.5:1 as of March...what happened there?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC'] How about that graph I posted? I enjoy how Blu-Ray was suppose to be 3.5:1 as of March...what happened there?[/QUOTE]
Why does the graph end in the dates /10 and /11.

Makes me think it's for the year 2010 and 2011, not 2007.
 
[quote name='zewone']Why does the graph end in the dates /10 and /11.

Makes me think it's for the year 2010 and 2011, not 2007.[/QUOTE]

Weekly rate

10 & 11 are the months
 
[quote name='zewone']Why does the graph end in the dates /10 and /11.

Makes me think it's for the year 2010 and 2011, not 2007.[/QUOTE]

Not sure what the '10' and '11' mean, but it clearly says March 2007 on the graph and its what Fox presented at the CES for their world domination this year. That was, until of course that Fox stopped releasing titles and quickly canceled everything else to never be heard from again in America. But hey, there coming back sometime! Blu-ray already declared victory at CES so it would be silly to think HD DVD would last till 2010....right? :lol:
 
Kinda funny that Fox chose to end in March as thats when, well, they ended on Blu-Ray as well. Oh, no, they did release Night at the Museum.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC'] I enjoy how Blu-Ray was suppose to be 3.5:1 as of March...what happened there?[/QUOTE]

Oh noez! An analyst was wrong!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Evidently you didn't see the part where what I posted was an *interview* with the president of Universal. RTFM.[/QUOTE]

It's not an interview. Scott Hettrick even admitted so in a post at AVS. It was just an editorial post on a blog that summarized the points he was able to gleam from the conversation he had with Kornblau.

[quote name='ClearVision (aka Scott Hettrick)']This is the "jackass" and "full of crap" Scott Hettrick: My understanding is that a blog is not an "article" or a verbatim Q&A; it is an editorial column, a forum to present an opinion. I did not position this as an "interview, but rather a summary of my conversation with Mr. Kornblau and my take on his comments, with only a handful of direct quotes to emphasize selected points in his own words. You don't need to wonder if anything was paraphrased -- of course much of it was; that's why those comments are not in quotes. The question is, did I mischaracterize anything he said? I just got a thank you e-mail from him this morning, so I'm comfortable that I did not present his comments inaccurately.[/QUOTE]

Post #63 in this thread.

Scott Hettrick Here: "Interview"?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Gotcha. Blu-Ray is so awesome and HD DVD sucks. I should have known. That silly format HD DVD only 1/3 of what the might Blu-Ray sold. Who cares if there is 10x the amount of players on the market...it does not matter. I thought you were not going to respond to my comments anymore? What happened? How about that graph I posted? I enjoy how Blu-Ray was suppose to be 3.5:1 as of March...what happened there?[/QUOTE]

I'm a little confused. You make it seem as if having an extreme advantage in hardware sales and a somewhat significant advantage in software sales as a bad thing. I realize that they did not meet Fox's expectation (which was in a press release, which we already know is usually full of BS), but I'm curious to see what you would consider 'good results' from the format. I imagine they would be somewhat unrealistic, given the fact that the two formats have both been moving extremely well.
 
I found this to be pretty funny. Just shows how quickly people are to buy into hype without realizing what exactly they are buying:
40% of American PS3 owners: This thing has Blu-ray?
Reports flies in the face of BD take up boasts

An amusing report from the NPD Group, the "Next Gen Functionality & Usage" study suggests that 40% of PlayStation 3 owners were not aware the console could play Blu-ray discs.

Further research showed that 50% of those that did know about the feature didn't use the console for watching movies.

Adding salt to the HD-capable wound, only 50% of those PS3-ers polled knew that their machine was even capable of high-def graphics.

It might console Sony's marketing department to know that the figure for Xbox 360 owner's knowledge of that console HD-capabilities came in at an even lower 30%.

Other notable results from the report mentioned lack of awareness about downloadable content from both Xbox 360| PS3'>Xbox 360 - but especially - PS3 owners.

The Blu-ray Group suggested earlier this year, with figures to back up the claim, that the PS3's Blu-ray playing abilities was helping them win the format war.
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[quote name='orimental']Nothing weird about that. Friends was Warner, but was on NBC. Buffy and Angel were Fox, but was on the WB. What's really mind boggling is how Firefly was distributed by Fox, but Serenity is distributed by Uni.[/quote]
and movies distriubted abroad are handled by other studios who get distribution rights on another format if they want. why you can get things like Underworld (a sony movie) on HD DVD in europe & play it anywhere (no region coding).
 
[quote name='dallow']November 6th is gonna kick ass.

3 Pixar films released on Blu-Ray.

Ratatouille
Cars
and the Short Films collection

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disney/Pixar/Disc_Announcements/Disney_Serves_Up_Ratatouille_on_Blu-ray_this_November/852


This holiday season is going to be fantastic!

A nice Target endcap filled with 3 Pixar movies, Pirates ot C, and your friendly neighborhood webslinger, Spidey.

That's right moms & dads.
Put down that Toshiba, and pick up the Sony.[/QUOTE]

Yes, because parents will be just oh so happy to spend $500 on a Blu-Ray player to play those movies on their kids 13" Mickey Mouse TV :lol: Considering a lot of parents still have Disney movies on VHS, I can't see them spending $500 on a player and $30 on a movie. If they do, I hope there BD-J 1.0 Unfinished Format Blu-Ray player can play all those special interactive games kids love...

Sorry, the one aspect of this war which will mean very little is kids. While their are adults who enjoy kids movies, I don't see how any parent would spend $500 (or even $300) plus an additional $10 per disc just so their kids can watch a movie with better picture. Kids don't care. DVD is just as good, has games, and no 'rewinding'. Of course if the classic movies came out (Aladdin, Lion King, Sleep Beauty) I might agree with you (and would buy all of them in a heartbeat), these are not 'classics' by any means.

That's not to say this announcement is not good...because it is. Never seen Cars, but that rat movie looks good and the short films is an instant purchase for me.
 
[quote name='dallow']Oh, I guess Disney/Buena Vista/Pixar doesn't matter anymore.
Sorry Giz.[/QUOTE]

They do, but kids movies is not going to sell a $500 to a parent of a 12 year old. I'm sure they are content with their $50 DVD player hooked up via RF or Composite and $16 new release movies then $30 for Cars in a blue case. This is great news for current Blu-Ray owners, but I can't see those Pixar movies moving Blu-Ray players. Now, if it was Toy Story, I would be going nuts right now.

POTC3 will sell, and the Spider-Man trilogy as well (whoever would spend $50 on Spider-Man 3 though is nuts)
 
[quote name='dallow']Toy Story 2008

Believe! (my top film too)[/QUOTE]


That would be fucking awesome! Hell, even Toy Story 2 was great. :drool:
fuck it, give me the whole Toy Story boxset with all those bonus clips from 'ABC Saturday Mornings'. Pixar, feel free to reach into my wallet and take my monies. Please. That includes 'The Brave Little Toaster' as well.
 
[quote name='dallow']I thought no one knew about Brave Little Toaster. Cool.[/QUOTE]

I loved that movie as a kid. It was a Pixar movie (were they called that back then?), right? I usually see 'lampy' at the start of every Pixar movie where their logo is displayed.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I loved that movie as a kid. It was a Pixar movie (were they called that back then?), right? I usually see 'lampy' at the start of every Pixar movie where their logo is displayed.[/quote]Wow, I had no idea about the Toaster/Pixar connection!

The Brave Little Toaster is an animated film from 1987, directed by Jerry Rees, written by Thomas M. Disch, and produced by Hyperion Pictures. The story followed five household appliances—Lampy (a lamp), Blanky (an electric blanket), Radio (a radio), Kirby (a vacuum cleaner), and the Toaster (a toaster)—on their quest to find their owner, Rob (also referred to as "The Master").
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Many members of Pixar Studios were involved with this film, including John Lasseter, whose trademark A113 appears on Master's door, and Joe Ranft. Lampy is the predecessor to the desk lamps found in Luxo Jr..
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[quote name='dallow']Sweet!

Pan's Labrynth scheduled for release on both formats in the UK this November.

Another import for me.[/QUOTE]

I thought HD DVD already had like a 5 disc import set for this available somewhere overseas?
I don't follow imports too much and didn't care too much for this movie.
 
I kids movies are only VHS tapes I ever see in stores.

I really don't expect kids movies to push a new format. I'm sure they will sell alot of copies but again I don't think kids movies will widen the base of HD movies.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I thought HD DVD already had like a 5 disc import set for this available somewhere overseas?
I don't follow imports too much and didn't care too much for this movie.[/QUOTE]

It didn't have English subtitles.
 
[quote name='KingDox']I kids movies are only VHS tapes I ever see in stores.

I really don't expect kids movies to push a new format. I'm sure they will sell alot of copies but again I don't think kids movies will widen the base of HD movies.[/quote]Yeah, Pixar movies are just for kids, I need to grow up.

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[quote name='Sporadic']I thought Europe Blu-Rays were outside of America's region code?[/quote]Few BDs are actually region coded. Or single region.

I suppose there's a chance it will be only for Europe, but since it's coming out on HD DVD as well there, the chances are even slimmer.
Should import fine.

EDIT:Ooooh, that's a nice little set!
But probably too much for me. I didn't love the movie THAT much.
 
More on that Pan's Labrynth for BD thing.

Optimum Announces Blu-ray Support
Posted July 27, 2007 by Josh

Optimum Home Entertainment has announced that they will be releasing 'Wolf Creek', 'Pan's Labyrinth', and 'The Host' for Blu-ray on November 12th in the UK. Previously, Optimum only supported HD DVD, but with their recent Blu-ray announcements, it's clear that they recognize the markets are turning in Blu-ray's favor. No specs were announced at this time.

An interesting side note: Optimum is owned by StudioCanal, who releases on HD DVD in Europe. Could they be next to turn?
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Please please me Studio Canal! I want you.
 
[quote name='dallow']More on that Pan's Labrynth for BD thing.



Please please me Studio Canal! I want you.[/QUOTE]

Interesting to see they are even releasing Wolf Creek as apparently its only sold 600 or so copies on HD DVD. I can't imagine it would have a huge fanbase on Blu-Ray.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Interesting to see they are even releasing Wolf Creek as apparently its only sold 600 or so copies on HD DVD. I can't imagine it would have a huge fanbase on Blu-Ray.[/quote]Probably only going to print a 1000 of em.
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, Pixar movies are just for kids, I need to grow up.

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Where the hell in my post did I say Pixar movies are just for kids ? Don't go twisting my words.
 
[quote name='KingDox']Where the hell in my post did I say Pixar movies are just for kids ? Don't go twisting my words.[/quote]More implied really.
Pixar is big, and it's nice to see them finally putting some dates in 'stone'.

(i say stone because i've seen scans of coupons showing cross promotion, and a cool pin set if you buy the movie and the short films set together)
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Hmm, I wonder if the Rock is region coded...[/quote]Region free!
Enjoy!

BD is pretty liberal with their discs. Very few are actually locked to a single region.
Most are free, or multi region.

AVS members usually find out pretty quickly whether it is or not.
 
wait...i thought that blue ray movies were region coded..? exept they use 3 regions i know they didnt put any region on HD DVD but not sure on blue ray
 
[quote name='xeno']wait...i thought that blue ray movies were region coded..? exept they use 3 regions i know they didnt put any region on HD DVD but not sure on blue ray[/QUOTE]

Yeah, there's 3 regions - A, B, and C. A is USA, Europe, and Japan (IIRC), and B and C cover all those third world countries ;)
 
Rather than making a new topic I figured I'd ask this here.

Fifth Element is one of my favorite movies, but I hear the blu-ray version wasn't printed right, or something like that, and they replaced it. I'm wondering if it's safe to buy it now. Will I get the fixed version?
 
[quote name='propeller_head']http://www.dailytech.com/Confessions+of+an+HD+DVD+Owner/article8386.htm

:applause:[/quote]What the heck? How boring! What's with the clapping?

He supports HD DVD because of the lower cost of the player.
As if the BD players aren't going to go down or something.
I keep hearing rumors that Sony's latest player will drop to 299, and it supports 1080P and DTS-MA.

Still, a lower cost player for right now is a dumb reason to support a losing medium.

In fact, I really don't know why people support HD DVD at all.
I can see why in the early days, when there were PQ issues, but that point is moot now.
Now BD has bigger space, and BD-RWs for our computers will get cheaper.

Man, can you imagine backing up your stuff on a couple of 50GB discs?
 
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