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[quote name='guyver2077']i bet money hes downloading hentai as this very moment![/quote]Hentai has many leading ladies in their films.
Gotta support that.

Hentai on BD.......?
 
[quote name='dallow']Hentai has many leading ladies in their films.
Gotta support that.

Hentai on BD.......?[/QUOTE]

Well, if HDDVD got hentai, I'd buy an HDDVD player, but it doesn't have hentai, so it sucks. Now, you might say that Blu Ray doesn't have hentai, but I have a Blu-Ray player (PS3), so it doesn't suck anyway.
 
I own an HD-A2 and I'm happy with it. People on the BD side act like buying into HD DVD is a lost cause because "in da end, Blue-Rey will w1nzzorrs!!" It's not like HD DVD players and movies will stop working if BD does become the chosen HD format in the end. Studios will still release HD DVD films as long as there is demand for it. Remember that HD DVD is also released in other parts of the world and I'm sure that people will still be buying it there if not here. Heck, I've bought a few European HD DVD releases that are supposed to be BD exclusives due to it being Region Free.

Also, HD DVD players (as are BD players) are mighty fine upscaling DVD players. So it's not like I'll have a $300 paperweight sitting around never to be used again. It's actually one of the reasons why I even jumped in. My DVD player finally died on me and with the current promotions, it was a no-brainer. I'm hardly a J6P. I did my research and in the end, I decided to go with HD DVD due to cost, Universal support, finalized specs, region free playback, the ability to burn HD content onto DVD9's (and be recognized and played as HD DVD's), and the lack of games on the PS3. Why should I be buying a PS3 now just for the BD aspect when I could most likely buy it cheaper next year when all of the big games start to come out?
 
[quote name='orimental']I own an HD-A2 and I'm happy with it. People on the BD side act like buying into HD DVD is a lost cause because "in da end, Blue-Rey will w1nzzorrs!!" It's not like HD DVD players and movies will stop working if BD does become the chosen HD format in the end. Studios will still release HD DVD films as long as there is demand for it. Remember that HD DVD is also released in other parts of the world and I'm sure that people will still be buying it there if not here. Heck, I've bought a few European HD DVD releases that are supposed to be BD exclusives due to it being Region Free.

Also, HD DVD players (as are BD players) are mighty fine upscaling DVD players. So it's not like I'll have a $300 paperweight sitting around never to be used again. It's actually one of the reasons why I even jumped in. My DVD player finally died on me and with the current promotions, it was a no-brainer. I'm hardly a J6P. I did my research and in the end, I decided to go with HD DVD due to cost, Universal support, finalized specs, region free playback, the ability to burn HD content onto DVD9's (and be recognized and played as HD DVD's), and the lack of games on the PS3. Why should I be buying a PS3 now just for the BD aspect when I could most likely buy it cheaper next year when all of the big games start to come out?[/quote]Where'd you come from?
Doesn't take much to write a calm collected (and intelligent) post does it? Thanks.

You should give lessons to Gizmo and guyver over here.
 
[quote name='dallow']Where'd you come from?
Doesn't take much to write a calm collected (and intelligent) post does it? Thanks.

You should give lessons to Gizmo and guyver over here.[/QUOTE]

No point to. You and several others will simply try and spin it to be 'HD DVD sucks and Blu-Ray will win'. Of course, all of you are using your PS3 as a Blu-Ray player and not an actual standalone so if it wasn't for the Trojan PS3 you would not be having this discussion.

But please, enjoy your PS3 and all the wonderful games it has :lol:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']No point to. You and several others will simply try and spin it to be 'HD DVD sucks and Blu-Ray will win'. Of course, all of you are using your PS3 as a Blu-Ray player and not an actual standalone so if it wasn't for the Trojan PS3 you would not be having this discussion.

But please, enjoy your PS3 and all the wonderful games it has :lol:[/QUOTE]

Right, everybody would flock to the HD-DVD players automatically. After all, if someone bestowed with divine logic like GizmoGC likes HD-DVD, we all should!
 
Anyone besides me find it funny that Gizmo is calling other people fanboy's? Lets analyze the word "fan" short for the word "Fanatic." And Gizmo is fanatically against the PS3 for some stupid reason and claims it has no good games coming out yet it has more exclusives this year than any other system. He is also fanatically against Blu-ray even though it has more studio support, plays 95% hi-def movies out and is clearly beating HD-DVD.
Boy = he is a dude.
 
As can be seen from the Wii and 360, an exclusive game doesn't necessarily equate to being a good game.

Blu-ray still has to prove that it can thrive when there is a flow of major titles (exclusive or not) that many are waiting for.

The majority of BD players out there are PS3's. That's about 1.74 million in the US (~4.05 million total). If you include standalones, that's maybe another 100,000. In the US, there are about 300,000 HD DVD standalones (including the 360 add-on) and about 500,000 players worldwide. That's what? A nearly 5:1 lead in the US.

All of the following figures come from Home Media Magazine (07/29)

But what do disc sales tell us? Nielsen's VideoScan figures report only a 3:1 lead (week ending 07/22), only 2:1 (year-to-date 2007), and only 3:2 (since inception). Why is it that BD players have a 5:1 lead in the US, but only, at best, a 3:1 lead in software sales? We can account for 100,000 (standalones) buying films for sure. What's worth noting here is that not all PS3 owners are buying Blu-ray films. So why can we assume that it's automatically going to win just because of the "trojan horse"? With the exception of spikes from big releases like Spider-Man 3 and PotC: AWE, I honestly can't see Blu-ray being the major winner here, at least not until after we see how it does when the most-wanted titles for the PS3 come out. It's hard to see BD sales picking up enough once those games come out to cover the gap in the hardware to software ratio.
 
I'm going with Blu-ray for two reasons:

1. Why get a $500 PS3 and a $300 HD-DVD player for $800 when I could get a $300 Blu-ray player and a $200 PS3 for $500? A price worth paying! I'm going to get a PS3 for the games (what few they are) eventually, so why not combine the purchase?
2. Far more studio support on Blu-ray

It sucks balls that movies like Children of Men are exclusive to HD-DVD (for now). Now, I'm not saying that HD-DVD sucks, technically it's a great format. I'm saying that format wars suck. It's wrong to put consumers in this position. I don't want to wait for great movies to come to my chosen format. It's not fair.

It's these two reasons above that HD-DVD will probably fail. Lots of gamers like myself are going to go with the PS3 by itself because it's cheaper in the end instead of buying an HD-DVD player and a PS3. Studio support will eventually kill off HD-DVD. From what I can tell, studios are jumping ship pretty quick.

Again, I'm not "biased" towards a particular format. I'm just trying to save some money and not get fucked.
 
You have to trust the word of a man with a Blood Brothers avatar. :D

[quote name='orimental']As can be seen from the Wii and 360, an exclusive game doesn't necessarily equate to being a good game.

Blu-ray still has to prove that it can thrive when there is a flow of major titles (exclusive or not) that many are waiting for.

The majority of BD players out there are PS3's. That's about 1.74 million in the US (~4.05 million total). If you include standalones, that's maybe another 100,000. In the US, there are about 300,000 HD DVD standalones (including the 360 add-on) and about 500,000 players worldwide. That's what? A nearly 5:1 lead in the US.

All of the following figures come from Home Media Magazine (07/29)

But what do disc sales tell us? Nielsen's VideoScan figures report only a 3:1 lead (week ending 07/22), only 2:1 (year-to-date 2007), and only 3:2 (since inception). Why is it that BD players have a 5:1 lead in the US, but only, at best, a 3:1 lead in software sales? We can account for 100,000 (standalones) buying films for sure. What's worth noting here is that not all PS3 owners are buying Blu-ray films. So why can we assume that it's automatically going to assume just because of the "trojan horse"? With the exception of spikes from big releases like Spider-Man 3 and PotC: AWE, I honestly can't see Blu-ray being the major winner here, at least not until after we see how it does when the most-wanted titles for the PS3 come out. It's hard to see BD sales picking up enough once those games come out to cover the gap in the hardware to software ratio.[/QUOTE]

I think the reason that the numbers are so close is many people buying into the HD era of movies are enthusiasts that own both formats. There are many people (even here) that own both and don't care one bit what format the movie comes out for. Myself I just want to watch my favorite films in high def, so I will support both formats until one goes belly up.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']You have to trust the word of a man with a Blood Brothers avatar. :D[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I knew it would get me some credibility.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']No point to. You and several others will simply try and spin it to be 'HD DVD sucks and Blu-Ray will win'. Of course, all of you are using your PS3 as a Blu-Ray player and not an actual standalone so if it wasn't for the Trojan PS3 you would not be having this discussion.

But please, enjoy your PS3 and all the wonderful games it has :lol:[/quote]As I've said before, please show me where I've ever said HD DVD sucks.

I say BD will win yes, and you say HD DVD will win.

I use my PS3 as a BD player, and so do you.

Only differences are that.

1)I play games on my PS3, and with friends too.
2)I don't troll CAG, or AVS forums as you do.

Though did you get banned from AVS, or were some or your posts just deleted by mods?
 
[quote name='dallow']Though did you get banned from AVS, or were some or your posts just deleted by mods?[/QUOTE]

Tee-hee! I gotta hear about this.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I think the reason that the numbers are so close is many people buying into the HD era of movies are enthusiasts that own both formats. There are many people (even here) that own both and don't care one bit what format the movie comes out for. Myself I just want to watch my favorite films in high def, so I will support both formats until one goes belly up.[/quote]

That sums it for me in a nutshell as well. I consider myself lucky to have both formats, so it's just a matter of getting the titles that appeal to me in the format it's exclusive to.

In the event that both formats are supported, I'll go with the one that users and critics believe is superior. In event both are equal in PQ or whatever, though, I'd swing Blu-Ray, just because there aren't many games for PS3 right now. :p
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Tee-hee! I gotta hear about this.[/QUOTE]

Deleted.

AVS is way to fun just to troll.

People over their will literally kill themselves if you state Blu-Ray is crap. Those people are SICK SICK SICK people and its just funny to mock them. Take a look at my history of there, I could careless. I get posts deleted because I say 'I got it on HD DVD instead of Blu-Ray since I prefer the Combo'. Yep, someone reported me and it got deleted. They are NUTS over there and if they could, they would each lick the sweat from Bill from TheDigitalBits as well. They all seem to worship beatboy who is the biggest FUD spreader I haver ever seen. He will post something like 'in 10 days Fox will announce new titles' and then 10 days later he will say 'they couldnt do it. wait 8 more days'.....This has been going on for months. He also stated LOTR would be released on both formats, on a certain day, but Blu-Ray would be superior. Its sick.

Its amazing how much a $20 drop helped the HD DVD add-on. All my Best Buys are now sold-out, and they each had 8+ before the announcement. Atleast those players are for MOVIES, unlike the PS3.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']A disc wouldn't help. The PiP functions and other features needs storage...something Blu-Ray players don't have. PS3 does, which is great, but thats a gaming machine. I figured the Sony fanboy's would spin this so go for it. All those 100,000 that myke just made up will have to re-purchase Blu-Ray players to be able to enjoy new movies. THAT sucks any way you look at it. But hey, thats what happens when you buy into an unfinished format with unfulfilled promises.[/QUOTE]


it must take some honed precision to fail so hard with every post. OMG, a disc with an update on it, that's totally fanboy talk!!111

Are you like this in real life? Like as soon as someone says something to you, you turn it back on them like they're attacking your well being? Because you sure as hell can't hold a conversation on a discussion board...which should be a pretty simple task really. See...most people here can lace subtle jabs in and that's fun, but you're just sad, really.


ahh, that felt good. Carry on everyone!
 
[quote name='Apossum']it must take some honed precision to fail so hard with every post. OMG, a disc with an update on it, that's totally fanboy talk!!111

Are you like this in real life? Like as soon as someone says something to you, you turn it back on them like they're attacking your well being? Because you sure as hell can't hold a conversation on a discussion board...which should be a pretty simple task really. See...most people here can lace subtle jabs in and that's fun, but you're just sad, really.


ahh, that felt good. Carry on everyone![/QUOTE]

The obvious answer is 'Yes'.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']The obvious answer is 'Yes'.[/QUOTE]


well, I hope that works out for you. You should consider working as a smear campaign manager for a political candidate ;)
 
[quote name='Apossum']well, I hope that works out for you. You should consider working as a smear campaign manager for a political candidate ;)[/QUOTE]

Interestingly enough, I DID in High School. That was pretty fun.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']AVS is way to fun just to troll.[/QUOTE]

Well, then, at least I can sleep at night knowing you're intentionally trying to be obnoxious, and not really as dumb as you come off. Like many folks on the internet, you're contrary merely for the sake of being contrary.

I'll keep that in when I decide to ever respond to your posts again. I hope I don't.
 
[quote name='redgopher'] Studio support will eventually kill off HD-DVD. From what I can tell, studios are jumping ship pretty quick.

[/QUOTE]

what studios have jumped shipped from HD DVD to Blu Ray

the only studio i know of was fox and they jumped off the blu ray ship to let's just release DVDs instead

maybe every studio should just take the warner approach

make a lot of good movies and release them on both formats

BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Today Warner Home Video (WHV) announced that it has the fastest and highest-selling high definition title in the market with the epic action-adventure, “300.” Since July 31, 2007, “300” has sold more than 250,000 copies to consumers on HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc.

“300” provides another high definition milestone for Warner Home Video which was the first studio to break the 100K sold mark with “The Departed.” Overall WHV has six of the top 10 selling high definition titles with “300,” “The Departed,” “Superman Returns,” “Planet Earth - The Complete Collection,” “Batman Begins,” and “Happy Feet.” Warner also has the highest grossing high definition title with the dual-format release of “Planet Earth.”
 
Fox is back.
Not sure what slowed them down but they finally started to give some release dates around the world for various BDs again.
 
[quote name='dallow']Fox is back.
Not sure what slowed them down but they finally started to give some release dates around the world for various BDs again.[/QUOTE]

AACS being cracked is the most likely scenario, since they started rereleasing films the same time BR started using BD+J encryption.
 
c'mon simpsons and futurama on blu-ray. though I guess animated shows wouldn't benefit as much from HD.

whatever, I just want seasons on one or two discs. I like being able to leave the disc in and not have to shuffle through a box set.
 
[quote name='Apossum']c'mon simpsons and futurama on blu-ray. though I guess animated shows wouldn't benefit as much from HD.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if it's still available, but XBLM offered a free episode of South Park in HD. It looked pretty nice (noticeably better), but there certainly is a limit to how good some animated shows will look in HD. Stuff like Corpse Bride, OTOH, looks incredible. Final Fantasy: TSW got incredible reviews for the PQ, but the review mentioned, time and time again, how fucking awful the actual movie is.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't know if it's still available, but XBLM offered a free episode of South Park in HD. It looked pretty nice (noticeably better), but there certainly is a limit to how good some animated shows will look in HD. Stuff like Corpse Bride, OTOH, looks incredible. Final Fantasy: TSW got incredible reviews for the PQ, but the review mentioned, time and time again, how fucking awful the actual movie is.[/quote]I'm still gonna get FF:TSW..... :(

Hehe. I'm a sucker for it.

Picture and audio quality for that title is through the roof, perfect picture, and near perfect sound. Lots of use in the surround speakers.

I watched Unforgiven and was surprised at how much the surround speakers were used as usually older movies tend to leave them pretty silent.
 
[quote name='dallow']Fox is back.
Not sure what slowed them down but they finally started to give some release dates around the world for various BDs again.[/QUOTE]

Until they announce titles for America who really cares?
Its been months since they released a title.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Until they announce titles for America who really cares?
Its been months since they released a title.[/quote]AV enthusiasts such as myself.

Sorry, didn't mean you.


In other news, got my new receiver!
Sony STR-DG1000.

PCM audio and analog->HDMI output here I come!
 
[quote name='Apossum']c'mon simpsons and futurama on blu-ray. though I guess animated shows wouldn't benefit as much from HD.

whatever, I just want seasons on one or two discs. I like being able to leave the disc in and not have to shuffle through a box set.[/quote]

I know! I been tapping my foot impatiently waiting for full seasons on one disc on BluRay.

Still not here! That would be so amazing.
 
See, there was a time i was searching for the damn Simpson episode to prove a point and i couldn't do it easily due to number of discs...
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']I believe in the near future there will be No Limit discs. With infinite amount of space on the disc.

I do believe it will happen.[/quote]
Ok darknessbear....... let's just keep this to yourself for now. ;)
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']I believe in the near future there will be No Limit discs. With infinite amount of space on the disc.

I do believe it will happen.[/QUOTE]
I believe in cars that will fly without the use of gasoline.

I can believe.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']See, there was a time i was searching for the damn Simpson episode to prove a point and i couldn't do it easily due to number of discs...[/QUOTE]

which ep was it?
 
Mmmm, Starship Troopers on BD is available in the UK nice and uncut.

US version got delayed until who knows. :(
Region free so I'll pick it up.

 
[quote name='dallow']Ok darknessbear....... let's just keep this to yourself for now. ;)[/quote]

It will happen! AND you are gonna be SOO jealous that I figured it out!

:bomb:
 
[quote name='dallow']They could only be on one disc if they were all encoded at SD level quality.

They won't be, so expect multiple discs.[/QUOTE]


weeds season 1 was like this-- 10 episodes on one disc. I do have complaints about the quality, but for the most part it looked better than a broadcast or DVD.

then season 2 is on 2 discs, so I think they wanted to make it look better. I could deal with two discs as well, no problem. It's 3, 4, and 5 discs that bothers me.
 
what about 7 disks for most hour long t vshows

too much

forced me to buy a dvd player that can hold 6 disks at once

i got smallville on HD DVD but i think they're only 15 gig disks not 30 i'll have to check them

there's 5 of them
 
[quote name='dallow']AV enthusiasts such as myself.

Sorry, didn't mean you.


In other news, got my new receiver!
Sony STR-DG1000.

PCM audio and analog->HDMI output here I come![/QUOTE]

Gotcha. For such an AV enthusiasts you sure seem to be dismissing the HD DVD with 100+ exclusive titles. But thats why I have both formats, to watch all movies possible.
 
[quote name='Apossum']weeds season 1 was like this-- 10 episodes on one disc. I do have complaints about the quality, but for the most part it looked better than a broadcast or DVD.

then season 2 is on 2 discs, so I think they wanted to make it look better. I could deal with two discs as well, no problem. It's 3, 4, and 5 discs that bothers me.[/QUOTE]

Weeds Season 1 also had the correct OAR, unlike the DVD boxset with cropped all episodes in full frame, bleh.

Not sure why Season 2 had 2 discs and the episodes don't look any better then Season 1. Both are using the same disc size too and about the same amount of extras.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Gotcha. For such an AV enthusiasts you sure seem to be dismissing the HD DVD with 100+ exclusive titles. But thats why I have both formats, to watch all movies possible.[/quote]Yup, dismissing them until Universal comes to their senses.

Besides, just about every movie I really care about is on DVD.
I have an old taste in movies.

I'm also such an AV enthusiast that I enjoy my movies with surround sound. cheapshot I know, sorry ;) I know you'll get a surround set up someday.

[quote name='guyver2077']lol @ av enthusiast

liar!

:)[/quote]
Yeah, you wouldn't know the first thing.
 
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