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[quote name='guyver2077']doubtful....i follow all and everything a/v and hi def![/quote]I guess following is the first step. Noob.
 
[quote name='dallow']Yup, dismissing them until Universal comes to their senses.

Besides, just about every movie I really care about is on DVD.
I have an old taste in movies.

I'm also such an AV enthusiast that I enjoy my movies with surround sound. cheapshot I know, sorry ;) I know you'll get a surround set up someday.


Yeah, you wouldn't know the first thing.[/QUOTE]

Just rub salt in those wounds...bastard! :lol:

Soon....Soon. I am looking into getting an HDMI surround sound setup just not sure which brand to get. I am going to re-arrange my apt. so it wouldn't interfere with my neighbors. Any suggestions for a sound system? I am clueless for those and would like to enjoy this 'TrueHD' and 'Lossless' I keep hearing is so great.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']A reasonably advanced 5.1 system.[/quote]

yea.. currently looking into a 7.1 dolby true hd setup..

im more into pq however so im more interested in selling my current tv set to go 1080p and at a bigger size
 
Fair enough. Just wondering, because the typical response is "well, I'm just usin' my SDTV for now and the speakers on my TV, but same thing, right?" It's nice when people know what they're talking about.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Fair enough. Just wondering, because the typical response is "well, I'm just usin' my SDTV for now and the speakers on my TV, but same thing, right?" It's nice when people know what they're talking about.[/quote]


yea fuck that... i prob wouldnt be in this thread if i didnt have an hd tv.....
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']How is that Blu popsicle? Good? Get both formats and THEN maybe you will not sound so much like a fanboy.[/QUOTE]

Owning both formats won't automatically make you unbiased.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Standalones won't. PS3 SHOULD (not proven, but with 20GB HDDs minimum installed it shouldn't be an issue. I doubt Sony would piss off 90%+ of their Blu-Ray audience). Standalone' simply can't handle the 1.1 standard of BD-J. While the movies will play, certain special features will not.[/QUOTE]That's fucking ridiculous, but then again, I don't know why anybody would purchase anything other than a PS3 right now, or atleast have waited until it came out.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Just rub salt in those wounds...bastard! :lol:

Soon....Soon. I am looking into getting an HDMI surround sound setup just not sure which brand to get. I am going to re-arrange my apt. so it wouldn't interfere with my neighbors. Any suggestions for a sound system? I am clueless for those and would like to enjoy this 'TrueHD' and 'Lossless' I keep hearing is so great.[/quote]Actually yeah, I have a few suggestions, I'll get back to you on that as I'm heading off to work.

[quote name='guyver2077']real mature there....[/quote]Haha, you're calling me immature? Rich.

Oooh, 7.1 TrueHD setup, nice phrase you threw out there. :roll:
 
[quote name='guyver2077']well since your nitpicking.. i was referring to one that is 7.1 and also supports the newer dolby formats


http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=180268&WT.mc_n=27686&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=PORTAL&cm_cat=AJC&cm_pla=DATAFEED->PRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=27686

Dont be such an ass hat next time..[/quote]Oh, there was nothing wrong with the phrase you threw out. I know exactly what you mean.

I was just laughing at the irony of you calling me immature, and now an asshat, considering all your past posts here, and in the PS3 board.

As for the receiver, it's good, it's pretty new.
If you can get that, then bad ass, but it's out of my budget.

I got the receiver mentioned a few posts back, which almost does the same thing. That one used to cost $1000 but you can now find for about $500 or less.
 
[quote name='dallow']

I was just laughing at the irony of you calling me immature, and now an asshat, considering all your past posts here, and in the PS3 board.

.[/quote]

:rofl:

have i really made questionable posts? I don't recall saying anything to the extent of "YOUR ALL NOOBZ" .

the receiver is great but i don;'t know if id throw down that cash for it right now..my 5.1 is fine for now
 
[quote name='guyver2077']:rofl:

have i really made questionable posts? I don't recall saying anything to the extent of "YOUR ALL NOOBZ" .

the receiver is great but i don;'t know if id throw down that cash for it right now..my 5.1 is fine for now[/quote]More like "YOU ALL SUCKZ".
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']He is also fanatically against Blu-ray even though it has more studio support, plays 95% hi-def movies out and is clearly beating HD-DVD.[/quote] 95%? Really? I wasn't aware there were 3300 titles available on Blu-Ray. Because there are 165 titles available exclusively on HD DVD, vs. 172 exclusive to Blu-Ray and 107 available on both.

So in actuality, only 60% of available Hi-def titles are available in either format. And it's the same for BOTH formats. So no matter which format you pick, you're turning your back on 40% of the content.

You really shouldn't criticize people for calling others fanboys, then call them a fanboy yourself. It's also quite hypocritical to rail against someone for using fanboy logic, then turn around and use fanboy logic yourself. Jus' sayin'...
 
[quote name='geko29']95%? Really? I wasn't aware there were 3300 titles available on Blu-Ray. Because there are 165 titles available exclusively on HD DVD, vs. 172 exclusive to Blu-Ray and 107 available on both.

So in actuality, only 60% of available Hi-def titles are available in either format. And it's the same for BOTH formats. So no matter which format you pick, you're turning your back on 40% of the content.

You really shouldn't criticize people for calling others fanboys, then call them a fanboy yourself. It's also quite hypocritical to rail against someone for using fanboy logic, then turn around and use fanboy logic yourself. Jus' sayin'...[/quote]
95% wasn't an exact number, my point was it has EVERY studio except one supports Blu-ray where as HD-DVD doesn't get Sony, Disney, Fox, MGM or Lionsgate. And the reason There are so many exclusives for HD-DVD is because Universal is on a firestorm releasing catalogue title after title where as Blu-ray isn't, for whatever reason. Also, some of those movies are exclusive to HD-DVD becaue they were released before Blu-ray came out (Like Batman Begins).
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Just rub salt in those wounds...bastard! :lol:

Soon....Soon. I am looking into getting an HDMI surround sound setup just not sure which brand to get. I am going to re-arrange my apt. so it wouldn't interfere with my neighbors. Any suggestions for a sound system? I am clueless for those and would like to enjoy this 'TrueHD' and 'Lossless' I keep hearing is so great.[/QUOTE]


That is going to be an expensive set up. Its $1000 plus for a receiver that supports TrueHD. I would just spend that money on some fantastic speakers until the price on the new receivers drops.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']That is going to be an expensive set up. Its $1000 plus for a receiver that supports TrueHD. I would just spend that money on some fantastic speakers until the price on the new receivers drops.[/QUOTE]

That's what I did. I was going to get some cheapo speakers and a receiver that was the Alpha and the Omega, but I realized that that was stupid. So I spent $450 on a receiver (that retailed for like $650) and got some really nice speakers and sub, and I'll probably swap out the receiver with next year's models since those should have all that fun stuff like HDMI 1.3 or whatever the hell they're on now sorted out.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Also, some of those movies are exclusive to HD-DVD becaue they were released before Blu-ray came out (Like Batman Begins).[/quote]
This is patently false. Batman Begins was released on October 10, 2006, whereas the Blu-Ray launch was May 23, 5 months earlier. These titles (I'm assuming you're referring to the Warner ones) are exclusive because they contain interactive features that no Blu-Ray player (except possibly the PS3 via a firmware update that has not been announced) will be able to utilize until 2008. The very first BD-Video 1.1 player (required for said features) to be released will be the $2000 Denon, to be followed in Q1 or Q2 2008 by the fourth-generation Samsung players.

And if you want to include MGM on the list of Blu-Ray exclusive studios, you have to include Weinstein on the HD DVD side, as both have released 11 titles.
 
[quote name='geko29']And if you want to include MGM on the list of Blu-Ray exclusive studios, you have to include Weinstein on the HD DVD side, as both have released 11 titles.[/quote]

You're like the intelligent version of Gizmo geko.

Funny thing about Weinstein which I read somewhere, is that they have the rights to the Hard Boiled action movie by John Woo.
They released a 2 disc DVD version of it that is crappily cropped and formatted to something near full screen.

However, the HD transfer is included in the PS3 Stranglehold game and can only be played in PS3 machines as it's an extra in the game itself.

Just weird.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I want to hear what you guys think of this:

Stolen from HypnosisRising on Gamefaqs.


This user on gamefaqs thinks that the reason MS is supporting HD-DVD is to ensure that they have a cheap, large storage format, to use for future consoles. And, even though this guy is from Gamefaqs, he definitely knows his stuff. Of course, this is just speculation on his part, so his knowledge doesn't mean that this is true.

Personally, I don't think his post is true. The part about MS supporting HD-DVD makes sense. MS doesn't have much pull in the movie industry, and with blu-ray having the majority of the support, I really doubt MS went into HD-DVD thinking they could 'win' it. Maybe they thought they could from the beginning, but as time progressed, it would've been smarter for MS to jump ship, seeing as how they have little pull in the format war. Sure they are a large company, but this war is based on movies, and, in that field, MS doesn't have too much power.

Anyway, I don't think it would be in their best interest to use HD-DVD as a gaming format in the future. Sure it would save them the trouble of paying royalties to the BDA, but it would alienate a lot of consumers. By the time the next xbox comes out, there will be a lot more demand for Blu-ray, and it will actually be seen as a plus to the consumer, not as the negative that it currently is. Right now, Blu-ray adds way too much to the price of the PS3 for consumers only interested in gaming. But 4-5 years down the line, Blu-ray players will be much cheaper, and there will be much more demand for them, which is why I think it would be stupid if what Hypnosis predicted were true (I just felt like sharing it because I thought it was interesting).[/quote]


for example
Just wait for a big hitter from microsoft movies: Halo and Gears of War
then see if it will be release for bluray...lol
all the people who bought a 360 for halo3 and Gears will probally jump on the hddvd of the movie too...

this is all just spectculation... i love the idea of bluray and having large storage space but if the disc gets scratch, it's :bomb:
the other reason the people have also been buying in to bluray is their burner is out while hddvd burner is mia

the image quality from both format is pretty much the same right now... so unless you cannot wait for a final vertict, just get a hybrid player that plays both bluray and hddvd
 
Here's a nice tidbit about Blu-ray's larger capacity and PS3 games: most of the big games don't even utilize the full 25GB of space.

Taken straight from Hollywood in Hi-Def.com, a Blu-ray Disc Association sponsored pro-Blu-ray site. These figures can be found about 3/4 the way down.

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Blu-ray Disc Gaming Titles
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Company	Title	Resolution	Game Size
Activision	 	 	 
 	Call of Duty 3	720p	8-10GB
 	MARVEL: ULTIMATE ALLIANCE	1080P	8GB
 	Tony Hawk's Project 8	720p (1080i-TBD)	Estimated 5GB
Electronic Arts	 	 	 
 	EA Sports Fight Night Round 3	1080i	7.7GB
 	Madden NFL 07	720p	8GB
 	MotorStorm	720p	18 GB
 	Need for Speed Carbon	720p	8GB
 	Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07	720p	15GB
2K Sports	 	 	 
 	NBA 2K7	1080p	6855MB
 	NHL 2K7	720p	6855MB
Insomniac Games	 	 	 
 	Resistance: Fall of Man	720p	16GB
NAMCO BANDAI Games	 	 	 
 	RIDGE RACER 7	720p	6 –12GB (estimated)
 	Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE	720p	6-10GB
Sega	 	 	 
 	Full Auto 2: Battlelines	720/1080i	7GB
 	Sonic the Hedgehog	720p	25GB (estimated)
 	Virtual Fighter 5	720p	9GB
Sony	 	 	 
 	Formula One Championship Edition	720p/ 60 fps	12GB
 	Genji: Days of the Blade	720p	22-24GB
 	NBA 07	1080p	10GB
 	Untold Legends Dark Kingdom	720p	6GB
Ubisoft	 	 	 
 	Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII	720p	6GB
 	Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas	720p	5GB (estimated)
Vivendi Universal Games	 	 	 
 	F.E.A.R.	720p	5GB (estimated)
 
[quote name='orimental']Here's a nice tidbit about Blu-ray's larger capacity and PS3 games: most of the big games don't even utilize the full 25GB of space.

Taken straight from Hollywood in Hi-Def.com, a Blu-ray Disc Association sponsored pro-Blu-ray site. These figures can be found about 3/4 the way down.[/quote]

Haha, were you expecting games to take up 25GB+?!

No way!

We're barely reaching the peaks of the DVD limits.
I would expect for most games to be over 8GB, and I see that most are.

So yes, most games are using the space.

Damn, makes me want an BD burner so badly now....
 
[quote name='geko29']This is patently false. Batman Begins was released on October 10, 2006, whereas the Blu-Ray launch was May 23, 5 months earlier. These titles (I'm assuming you're referring to the Warner ones) are exclusive because they contain interactive features that no Blu-Ray player (except possibly the PS3 via a firmware update that has not been announced) will be able to utilize until 2008. The very first BD-Video 1.1 player (required for said features) to be released will be the $2000 Denon, to be followed in Q1 or Q2 2008 by the fourth-generation Samsung players.

And if you want to include MGM on the list of Blu-Ray exclusive studios, you have to include Weinstein on the HD DVD side, as both have released 11 titles.[/quote]
So then why would they then release TMNT and 300 without interactivity on Blu-ray?

And both Weinstein movies and Warner Bro's have some sort of right with the TMNT movie, so that's why I didn't include them.


And I can't trust a list that shows Motorstorm under Electronic Arts.
 
Seems like Sony's blurbs of "Blockbuster chooses Blu-Ray...", "Target chooses Blu-Ray..." has a really big effect on the idiot community...

I overheard a stupid brother of mine who I don't speak to, having a conversation with my other brother over HD DVD vs Blu-Ray and he was telling him that Blu-Ray already won, Blockbuster and Target already stopped carrying HD DVD's and are only going to offer Blu-Rays, and that HD DVD dropped its price to clearance them out...bla blah blah....fucking dumbass :roll:

HD DVD should step it up and assure these dumbasses that they are not backing down and that Sony is misleading the consumers.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Seems like Sony's blurbs of "Blockbuster chooses Blu-Ray...", "Target chooses Blu-Ray..." has a really big effect on the idiot community...

I overheard a stupid brother of mine who I don't speak to, having a conversation with my other brother over HD DVD vs Blu-Ray and he was telling him that Blu-Ray already won, Blockbuster and Target already stopped carrying HD DVD's and are only going to offer Blu-Rays, and that HD DVD dropped its price to clearance them out...bla blah blah....fucking dumbass :roll:

HD DVD should step it up and assure these dumbasses that they are not backing down and that Sony is misleading the consumers.[/quote]Yeah, that's exactly what I meant by Average Joe out there really just being excited about BD.

Hehe, it works!

However I don't see how Sony, (or do you mean the BDA) is misleading consumers...
 
[quote name='dallow']Haha, were you expecting games to take up 25GB+?!

No way!

We're barely reaching the peaks of the DVD limits.
I would expect for most games to be over 8GB, and I see that most are.

So yes, most games are using the space.

Damn, makes me want an BD burner so badly now....[/QUOTE]

Hardly. But Phil Harrison was the one who was quoted as saying that they were already nearing the 25GB capacity on the launch games.

From Eurogamer.net

[quote name='Phil Harrison']"Already, at our launch titles, we're getting up close to the 25GB limit that we have on our Blu-Ray discs this year," he claimed. "Next year we'll raise that to 50GB, and I'd expect that we'll be getting close to that in the fairly near future as well."[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, that's exactly what I meant by Average Joe out there really just being excited about BD.

Hehe, it works!

However I don't see how Sony, (or do you mean the BDA) is misleading consumers...[/quote]
They said Target chose Blu Ray and that Blockbuster chose Blu Ray as well, when in reality, Target carries the HD DVD add-on and HD DVD movies and I'm sure that by this holiday/winter '08 will carry the new 3rd Generation Toshiba HD DVD players.
Also Blockbuster choose to expand their DVD library by adding Blu-Ray to other stores but the ones that already carry HD DVD still do.

Its misleading to the average idiot because of their choice of words.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']They said Target chose Blu Ray and that Blockbuster chose Blu Ray as well, when in reality, Target carries the HD DVD add-on and HD DVD movies and I'm sure that by this holiday/winter '08 will carry the new 3rd Generation Toshiba HD DVD players.

Also Blockbuster choose to expand their DVD library by adding Blu-Ray to other stores but the ones that already carry HD DVD still do.

Its misleading to the average idiot because of their choice of words.[/quote]It's not that misleading.

It never said they didn't carry HD DVD movies, and no one really thinks of the 360 HD DVD add on as being a viable player. (except gamers, which I mentioned before)

We'll see if they carry the third generation Toshibas though. They don't carry A2 and that's cheap enough.

As for Blockbuster.
I see them as adding BD to the majority of their stores, and not HD DVD, based on the test stores as them choosing BD.
Yeah, the few stores that had both BD and HD DVD in the test days will continue to carry them, but you are lucky if you have one in your area.

I'll be able to go into any Blockbuster and pick up a BD if I needed to.
And the more exposure of BD to the general public, the better.

Hardly. But Phil Harrison was the one who was quoted as saying that they were already nearing the 25GB capacity on the launch games.
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Phil be crazy, even I don't listen that strongly to him.
 
[quote name='rsigley']BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Today Warner Home Video (WHV) announced that it has the fastest and highest-selling high definition title in the market with the epic action-adventure, “300.” Since July 31, 2007, “300” has sold more than 250,000 copies to consumers on HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc.

“300” provides another high definition milestone for Warner Home Video which was the first studio to break the 100K sold mark with “The Departed.” Overall WHV has six of the top 10 selling high definition titles with “300,” “The Departed,” “Superman Returns,” “Planet Earth - The Complete Collection,” “Batman Begins,” and “Happy Feet.” Warner also has the highest grossing high definition title with the dual-format release of “Planet Earth.”[/QUOTE]

http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2007/08/blu-ray-continu.html

The stylistic Spartan battle film 300 has charged to the fastest sales start of any high-def video disc release yet, according to Warner Home Video. Consumers have purchased more than 250,000 copies of the film in the competing Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats since its release July 31. That far surpasses the previous hot seller, also from Warner, The Departed, which took three months to sell 100,000 copies.

So far, the Blu-ray Disc version of 300 is outselling the HD DVD version, 65% to 35%. According to Home Media Research, that mirrors the overall sales pattern this year (Jan-June), with Blu-ray accounting for 67% and 33% for HD DVD,.

Warner releases movies on both of the competing formats. Sony, Disney and Fox only support Blu-ray, while Universal exclusively supports HD DVD.

The Spider-Man films (Oct. 30) and Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End (Dec. 4) are coming to Blu-ray later this year. Overall, released titles on Blu-ray outnumber HD DVD roughly 2-to-1. "Blu-ray tips the scales in its favor this holiday season," says Peter Bracke, editor-in-chief, High Def Digest. "It's going to be tough for HD DVD to keep pace."
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65% (# of BR discs sold): 162,500 copies
35% (# of HD discs sold): 87,500 copies

Ouch. And y'all had all the extras, too!
 
One major studio doesn't warrant an entire format. HD DVD is losing, and I say just let it die. Universal on Blu-ray. Help get one format with all movies, Blu-ray. Push HD even closer to being the standard. Unless Toshiba gives out HD DVD players for free, I will not be supporting it an any way.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']And the DVD side...:roll: Wonder what kind of difference it would have been if they HD DVD/DVD was only HD DVD and priced the same as the Blu-Ray.[/QUOTE]

Are combo disks a deterrent to buying an HD DVD? Just for you, or for many HD DVD owners? If so, that's fascinating, as it runs contrary to the logic that brought about combo discs in the first place.

Now, to be entirely fair, as more and more adopt either hi-def format, these records will topple like Hank Aaron's. But, for the moment, I'm gonna go hunt down how many bajillion 300 DVDs were sold in this first week.
 
that $5 difference sure does make a difference....

in other news..

Since Microsoft's $20 pricedrop, Amazon has sold 1,000% more Xbox 360 HD DVD players (today the figure reads 200%, while might even mean double the 1,000% figure). Maybe it was the allure of five free HD DVD movies, or maybe it was the possibility of an extra twenty spot in consumer wallets. Either way, this example proves my ultimate theory on consumer economics.
People like cheaper shit.
 
i think the reason most ps3 games are 9 gigs and under is because they're just 360 ports

the ones that are ps3 exclusive tend to be much bigger
 
[quote name='guyver2077']that $5 difference sure does make a difference....

in other news..

Since Microsoft's $20 pricedrop, Amazon has sold 1,000% more Xbox 360 HD DVD players (today the figure reads 200%, while might even mean double the 1,000% figure). Maybe it was the allure of five free HD DVD movies, or maybe it was the possibility of an extra twenty spot in consumer wallets. Either way, this example proves my ultimate theory on consumer economics.
People like cheaper shit.[/quote]

Word. On both!
 
[quote name='guyver2077']that $5 difference sure does make a difference[/QUOTE]

Not to nitpick, but the 300 HD DVD is $4 more over at Amazon than the BR.

Additionally, what kind of a difference does it make? You do own the 300 HD DVD, don't you? I can't imagine a HD/BR owner buying the DVD version of a movie available on those formats (though I did see "Sideways" for $4 on DVD at BB the other day - a great movie if you haven't seen it).

So, do you (1) buy the HD version reluctantly, (2) buy the DVD, or (3) buy neither? Does it depend on how badly you want the movie?

I know the price difference makes some HD owners bristle, but does it keep you from buying an HD DVD that you really, really want?

EDIT: Tried to bite on that Spiderman set, but Amazon didn't give my the typical 10% BR discount (which would have made it $63 for the set). What gives?
 
correct.. it is $4...

I never plan on buying a dvd again. I havent even bought a wrestling dvd in ages.

so id easily pick up a hd or bd version over dvd anyday
 
In a world where I had both an HD DVD player and a BD player and was 'format neutral':roll:

$4.00 isn't going to stop me from getting the most out of my HD experience.
I'd buy the HD DVD.

I want to meet the HD DVD/BD owner that bought the BD version instead because of price alone.
 
[quote name='dallow']

I want to meet the HD DVD/BD owner that bought the BD version instead because of price alone.[/quote]

i think this happens more than you think....and its usually a 5 diff at big name stores...
 
And I haven't even started to talk about the DVD owners who buy the combo because they're going to buy an HD DVD player in the future.

The 300 battle was lost, quickly.
This isn't news though, it was expected.
 
[quote name='dallow']In a world where I had both an HD DVD player and a BD player and was 'format neutral':roll:

$4.00 isn't going to stop me from getting the most out of my HD experience.
I'd buy the HD DVD.

I want to meet the HD DVD/BD owner that bought the BD version instead because of price alone.[/quote]

They are a ton of people out there that do it based off price regardless of extras. This is CheapAssGamer.com after all. If I ever do get a PS3 sometime this summer (still debating)...I'll still buy HD DVD over Blu-Ray just to support the better format....hee hee jk, just to support the "underdog"
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']One major studio doesn't warrant an entire format. HD DVD is losing, and I say just let it die. Universal on Blu-ray. Help get one format with all movies, Blu-ray. Push HD even closer to being the standard. Unless Toshiba gives out HD DVD players for free, I will not be supporting it an any way.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and where are those studios pledging their exclusive support really putting out gold catalog titles or their arthouse stuff? Oh yeah I forgot, TWO big studios mainly. To be a little fair Universal has definitely offered some good stuff on catalog. Overall however Warner has been good in offering some of the really old stuff like "Casablanca", "Enter the Dragon", "Forbidden Planet" and "The Adventures Of Robin Hood. Now for Arthouse Sony has been offering all variety of contemporary titles on HD disc in the US for a big studio and has pretty much been the ONLY one. Warner just releasing the Murrow film only and Universal just releasing "Fearless" and possibly "The Contract" here don't account for much.
Oh and Tartan was suppose to be exclusive to BR right? Where's "A Tale Of Two Sisters" for me? Have you heard anything about "Ju-On" coming? Oh that's right, nothing. Funimation? Where are the titles?
This is purely a posturing move by Sony designed and paid for to try to kill any success HD DVD may get over the holidays in standalone #'s and to kill the war before it really starts. Ask yourself if you think we will get some good titles from Funimation or Tartan this Christmas and if so, see if any release dates are listed AFTER Christmas.
Regardless Toshiba needs to act and shut this down or minimize it as well as counter.
 
Funimation just recently announced titles and due dates. October I believe.

These arthouse movies you speak of, took years to get onto DVD.
 
Had to post this here:

Damn, Yamaha and their 11.2 AV receiver!
"stereo" subwoofers, nice.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/yamaha-rx-z11-first-look

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Not as expensive as I thought it'd be at only $5,499.
 
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