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It appears that the reds might have overpaid for middle relief pitching. I also don't get why they swapped ss, lopez might not be a great ss, but he is hitting roughly the same as clayton, but he has power.

Also the Huff deal was interesting...tampa is getting loaded with more young talent. I wonder if huff will bounce back from his mediocre/poor start of the season.
 
I am so fucking pissed at the Reds. They are alway stabbing me in the heart. Being from Lexington I am pretty upset they got rid of Kearns. This better not play out like the Casey trade. Always trading for hack pitchers and washups.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']This is probably the worst baseball trade in recent memory. Surpassing Kazmir for Zambrano and AJ Pierz for Liriano/Nathan/Bonser.[/quote]

I am not sure its gone that far yet. I'll give you Kazmir/Zambrano now, but Liriano/Nathan/Bonser bad.

Its a shitty trade for the Reds, looking at it now. But like Ship said, if any of these guys are worth a damn in the pen, it'll look smart if the Reds make the playoffs with the bullpen not falling apart.

Royce Clayton for Felipe Lopez though, ouch. Lopez is a threat to steal and also has power. Just dumbfounded on this one.

And I initially thought it was going to involve Soriano when it scrolled across the bottom, but to my surprise it didn't.

And wow speaking of let down bullpens, Tavarez, wow.....
 
[quote name='TheRock88']This is probably the worst baseball trade in recent memory. Surpassing Kazmir for Zambrano and AJ Pierz for Liriano/Nathan/Bonser.[/QUOTE]

please dont remind of that...duquette was in idiot like phillips i cant tell you how much that pissed me off because the mets rotation wouldnt be in shambles as it is now with pedro hurt and no solid 5th starter unless bannister/maine/pelfry can actually take it over..

as for the white sox deal...it was horible but i dont think the sox are crying too much...they won a WS with AJ..and i doubt that rotation wouldnt be any good without him calling games.

you cant forget chris denofria having something to do with this.that guy looks really good which makes kearns expendable. clayton will fill for lopez for a year and even freel can fill in at SS.anyway Royce clayton is hitting .315 compared to lopez's mere .267 wagner was junk anyway...they got guardado,weathers, dave williams, mercker, and hammond. majewski is definitley better than wagner. i think the names are played too much to make it the worst deal ever but infact i think the reds made out. they got a hitting SS in clayton, a better middle man in majewski. and cleared up more room for a possible move at the deadline. kearns couldnt even play a full season anyway so i dont know why some reds fans are crying...just wait for chris denofria to come around and kearns will all be but forgotten.
 
The Liriano/Nathan/Bonser trader was for Pierz going to the Giants. Look where they'd be now with those 3.

Edit: I wasn't sure how strong the Reds system was. Good to hear they have a good guy in the system.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']The Liriano/Nathan/Bonser trader was for Pierz going to the Giants. Look where they'd be now with those 3.

Edit: I wasn't sure how strong the Reds system was. Good to hear they have a good guy in the system.[/QUOTE]

true i do agree with liriano and nathan....i forgot that it was part of the Giants and not the white sox. dont forget about guys like encarnacion, phillips, olemedo, and ross...once those guys come around it will be the tigers NL version. i think thats why Will Mo and Kearns becamse expendable..i would also guess this is to make room for the possible arrival of Barry Zito.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']. clayton will fill for lopez for a year and even freel can fill in at SS.anyway Royce clayton is hitting .315 compared to lopez's mere .267[/quote]

That is not true...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4800

#10 Royce Clayton | SSRoster:
4800.jpg
Proper Name: Royce Spencer Clayton
Born: January 2, 1970 Burbank, CA

Height: 6-0
Weight: 200 lbs.
Age: 36
Pronounced: N/A
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Pos: SS
Experience: 15 years
2006 Salary: $1,000,000
College: Playa del Rey, CA

AVG .269 | HR 0 | RBI 27 | OBP .315 | SLG .348


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6415

#2 Felipe Lopez | SSE.
6415.jpg
Proper Name: Felipe, Jr. Lopez
Born: May 12, 1980 Bayamon, Puerto Rico

Height: 6-1
Weight: 185 lbs.
Age: 26
Pronounced: N/A
Bats: B
Throws: Right
Pos: SS
Experience: 5 years
2006 Salary: $2,700,000
College: Altamonta Springs, FL

AVG .268 | HR 9 | RBI 30 | OBP .355 | SLG .394


also throw in the fact lopez is 10 years younger and has 23 sb, compared to claytons 8sb.

Unless the reds have a stud ss in the minors, or are expecting to sign a decent ss, there was no need to trade ss. Kearns was more then enough for the middle relief pitching they got.
 
good trade for the reds.

Im a mets fan personally...but we really need to get another starting pitcher...that Lima experience was not a pleasant one...we need to find a way to get Dontrelle Willis...I wont be mad if the Mets give up lastings miledge for him...I know Lastings has all the tools...but we need pitching badly.
 
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Good game the first pic is 1st inning and the last pic is 9th. I was in the nose bleed but my seats were still pretty good. I could read the names of the back of the jerseys.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']That is not true...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4800

#10 Royce Clayton | SSRoster:
4800.jpg
Proper Name: Royce Spencer Clayton
Born: January 2, 1970 Burbank, CA

Height: 6-0
Weight: 200 lbs.
Age: 36
Pronounced: N/A
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Pos: SS
Experience: 15 years
2006 Salary: $1,000,000
College: Playa del Rey, CA

AVG .269 | HR 0 | RBI 27 | OBP .315 | SLG .348


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6415

#2 Felipe Lopez | SSE.
6415.jpg
Proper Name: Felipe, Jr. Lopez
Born: May 12, 1980 Bayamon, Puerto Rico

Height: 6-1
Weight: 185 lbs.
Age: 26
Pronounced: N/A
Bats: B
Throws: Right
Pos: SS
Experience: 5 years
2006 Salary: $2,700,000
College: Altamonta Springs, FL

AVG .268 | HR 9 | RBI 30 | OBP .355 | SLG .394


also throw in the fact lopez is 10 years younger and has 23 sb, compared to claytons 8sb.

Unless the reds have a stud ss in the minors, or are expecting to sign a decent ss, there was no need to trade ss. Kearns was more then enough for the middle relief pitching they got.[/QUOTE]
goddammit me and my bad eyes....thanks ryanbph....hehe now i feel totally stupid :lol:
 
[quote name='Jewelz23']good trade for the reds.

Im a mets fan personally...but we really need to get another starting pitcher...that Lima experience was not a pleasant one...we need to find a way to get Dontrelle Willis...I wont be mad if the Mets give up lastings miledge for him...I know Lastings has all the tools...but we need pitching badly.[/QUOTE]

yeah but minaya loves milledge now after what we saw out of him for his brief stint...if you wipe out the fenway madness than he didnt do that bad up here...i think the asking price for dontrelle would have to include another top prospect like pelfry to even consider the deal...i woulld think livan hernandez or barry zito are easier to acquire...but who knows...minaya surprised me this past offseason i wont mind if he does again.
 
while zitto might cost less, you know whoever the young kids that goes to the A's will more then likely be a stud/above avg player. Beane is like a fucking wizzard
 
So, does this mean Soriano is out in Washington? I wonder who will be buyers. People are speculating the Tigers might be, but I'm not sure what they really need. Pitching has been great. The starters are good. I know they need a few role players or a GOOD LH hitter. Dimitri Young is an option if he gets his shit together.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']This is probably the worst baseball trade in recent memory. Surpassing Kazmir for Zambrano and AJ Pierz for Liriano/Nathan/Bonser.[/QUOTE]

AJ Pierz for Liriano/Nathan/Bonser is definitely the worst trade in recent memory.

At least the Reds got some decent middle relief which is a real weakness for them though granted they overpaid for it.
 
I hope the Reds were trying to make room for Zito, as that would be pretty cool to see him or Arroyo pitch when I am down there at the end of the month.

I ended up getting some sweet seats that are closer to the batter than the pitcher. Here's hoping both teams bring their A games.
 
[quote name='doubledown']So, does this mean Soriano is out in Washington? I wonder who will be buyers. People are speculating the Tigers might be, but I'm not sure what they really need. Pitching has been great. The starters are good. I know they need a few role players or a GOOD LH hitter. Dimitri Young is an option if he gets his shit together.[/QUOTE]

i heard the angels are the team thats most interested in getting soriano. i would think it would involve either low budget good players or prospects...i dunno if i could see them dealing dallas mchperson, chone figgins, or jered weaver.....i dont know much about the angels but it seems they really want soriano.

the tigers have polanco and infante as their 2bs. it would be a nice addition to add him to an already powerful lineup but i would think bowden would want a young talent like granderson or one of their young studs like a rodney or a zumaya.
 
I hope some of these rumors seeing about the Rockies wanting Seanez and/or Tavarez hold some truth, as that'd be nice to dump one or both of them. Two of the rumors is taking a huge chunk of Tavarez's salary or exchanging him for Ray King.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']wow what a deal...i guess the rockies really really want to lose.[/quote]

Yeah, now if they'd only get it done, then it'd be better.
 
Actually, please don't.

First team since the '30 Yanks to score 10 runs in five straight games.
65 runs, 81 hits in 5 games.

6-21 in June. 94 runs.

Wheaties? Dip? HGH? Wha happened?

Andruw is hitting mammoth blasts on one leg, falling down. The worst team in baseball during June is the best thus far in July.

I'm not saying cancel the Mets' NL East championship hats, but let's not wear them just yet.

This has been a very nice couple of weeks, I'll tell you that. Since A-Rod got cheered (yeah, it doesn't happen that much anymore - 6/28) we've gone 11-3 and belted 32 HR. Oh baby.
 
In San Francisco visiting the family and have been able to catch a couple of Giants games, went tonight and going tommorow afternoon. While my biggest hope hinges on Sabean going for Nick Johnson, Sean Casey or Craig Wilson I don't see it happening.

A question for Mets fans, would yall take Jason Schmidt for Milledge? Schmidt has pitched well but hasn't gotten offensive support. Reports from the New York Post have the White Sox interested in Schmidt for Freddy Garcia and two prospects.

And the Reds GM admitted today on Jim Rome's talk show that he did act in a hurried move before the deadline.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']i heard the angels are the team thats most interested in getting soriano. i would think it would involve either low budget good players or prospects...i dunno if i could see them dealing dallas mchperson, chone figgins, or jered weaver.....i dont know much about the angels but it seems they really want soriano.

the tigers have polanco and infante as their 2bs. it would be a nice addition to add him to an already powerful lineup but i would think bowden would want a young talent like granderson or one of their young studs like a rodney or a zumaya.[/QUOTE]

Well, it sounds like the Tigers are becoming more interested in Soriano...although, this is Sports Talk Radio saying this. HOWEVER, it sounds like they want 3-4 of our top prospects. Like Mavin and Huberto (or whatever our stud pitcher in the minors is). I think they should pass for now. Not really sure where he would play....maybe LF and platoon Thames and Monroe at DH.
 
yeah the guys on espn were saying that the tigers would be willing to trade there stud pitcher, as the gm believes this is a special season for the tigers
 
[quote name='ryanbph']yeah the guys on espn were saying that the tigers would be willing to trade there stud pitcher, as the gm believes this is a special season for the tigers[/QUOTE]

I hope they don't though....I don't want them to trade there 3-4 TOP prospects to rent a player for less than half a season. The Nationals want MORE than 1 player from the Tigers. I think the Tigers can be ok. Dimitri Young is ready to come back also....he's batting over .400 in AAA ball.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']In San Francisco visiting the family and have been able to catch a couple of Giants games, went tonight and going tommorow afternoon. While my biggest hope hinges on Sabean going for Nick Johnson, Sean Casey or Craig Wilson I don't see it happening.

A question for Mets fans, would yall take Jason Schmidt for Milledge? Schmidt has pitched well but hasn't gotten offensive support. Reports from the New York Post have the White Sox interested in Schmidt for Freddy Garcia and two prospects.

And the Reds GM admitted today on Jim Rome's talk show that he did act in a hurried move before the deadline.[/QUOTE]

taking schmidty would be steal but for miledge i dont know. the kid has alot of upside plus we know he can come through in the clutch. i think if the mets want to win now..they do it if not than bank on guys like pelfry and maine to get the job done. the only problem i have with trading milledge is the health of of floyd and nady. those two have been banged up this year and there is no telling if they could make it by the playoffs. milledge can fill in nicely. all inall if this deal was proposed minaya would take a long time to decide because we upgrade in one position and downgrade in another.
 
Sadly, I think that Schmidt will end up in Chicago, if the rumors are true. (pull them up here in a few). I know it involved Garcia, Vasquez, or Garland and someone else (I think McCarthy) for Schmidt. If that happens, I think the White Sox could be the team to beat.

I just hope the Red Sox are able to make a stab at a quality SP and not someone like Redman or Lieber. Willis would be awesome, but they probably don't have enough (or willing to dump more prospects) to get him. The worst they should take (hate to say this in the same sentence with this guy) is Greg Maddux. He's been there done that and probably would come a lot cheaper than a younger name.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Actually, please don't.



I'm not saying cancel the Mets' NL East championship hats, but let's not wear them just yet.

This has been a very nice couple of weeks, I'll tell you that. Since A-Rod got cheered (yeah, it doesn't happen that much anymore - 6/28) we've gone 11-3 and belted 32 HR. Oh baby.[/QUOTE]

i dunno about that. if they take the reds today and sweep them out of NY..than its a good chance they can run with it. I want to make that judgement adter the deadline occurs because if the mets get a 3rd starter or a another solid bat...than they might as well run with it.

when your hot your hot and thats what the braves are..(they are down 4-1 to carpenter) but i dont think this small streak will break them out of the bottom barrell because the mets have won just enough to keep the lead in double digits. again IMO the deadline could have a good chance to dictate how the NL east will be decided.

haha i was at the Yanks game monday night since my cuz got free tix from her company and i was there when he struck out in the 6 and the whole stadium was in a uproar. it was very funny...
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Sadly, I think that Schmidt will end up in Chicago, if the rumors are true. (pull them up here in a few). I know it involved Garcia, Vasquez, or Garland and someone else (I think McCarthy) for Schmidt. If that happens, I think the White Sox could be the team to beat.

I just hope the Red Sox are able to make a stab at a quality SP and not someone like Redman or Lieber. Willis would be awesome, but they probably don't have enough (or willing to dump more prospects) to get him. The worst they should take (hate to say this in the same sentence with this guy) is Greg Maddux. He's been there done that and probably would come a lot cheaper than a younger name.[/QUOTE]

totally agreed if that happens...either way the white sox can deal without one of them...and contreras has been lights out for them so if they get schmidty than their playoff lineupp would be so hard to beat...

if the sox get willis than its WS or bust for them.
 
If the White Sox were willing to deal Garcia or Garland + McCarthy and other top prospect for Schmidt i'd do that in a second.

Went to the Giants game today, awesome, Bonds starts off rally with single. Hopefully it will lead to a 4-game sweep of the Padres.

And anyone else find this messed up? The Blue Jays are releasing Shea Hillenbrand who is a .320 hitter because he didn't want to play. Shea says the reason is because the Jays were immature in the way they handled his adoption of a child and that's what led to the release. If so, that's messed up on the Jays part to do that.

Also in other news the Giants have looked into Ryan Shealy, how I hope they get him.
 
We'll see how all these trades turn out.....the Tigers making a move scares me, since they have been shaky in moves made the last few years. Not sure if I want them giving up lots of prospects for Soriano....now it sounds like Abreyu rumors are STILL floating around. Interesting, we'll see how it shakes out.

They could add another pitcher, although the starters have been solid....even Zach Minor and Maroth seems to be on a comeback trail.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']If the White Sox were willing to deal Garcia or Garland + McCarthy and other top prospect for Schmidt i'd do that in a second.

Went to the Giants game today, awesome, Bonds starts off rally with single. Hopefully it will lead to a 4-game sweep of the Padres.

And anyone else find this messed up? The Blue Jays are releasing Shea Hillenbrand who is a .320 hitter because he didn't want to play. Shea says the reason is because the Jays were immature in the way they handled his adoption of a child and that's what led to the release. If so, that's messed up on the Jays part to do that.

Also in other news the Giants have looked into Ryan Shealy, how I hope they get him.[/QUOTE]

yeah the jays treated the hillenbrand situation terribly. he was such a solid hitter for them but i think with the arrival of Troy Glaus they thought that he was just dead weight..hell i dont know why they just didnt trade him and get something back for him...that would have made it a little better..now he is stuck in limbo..but he will be picked up real fast.
 
Wow. I knew the Tribe had no reason to keep Wickman around with how shitty they've been doing, but a single-A catcher? What a joke.

Hopefully the Braves know that Wickman generally needs a two run lead to get the job done comfortably, or there could be a lot of pissed off fans.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']Wow. I knew the Tribe had no reason to keep Wickman around with how shitty they've been doing, but a single-A catcher? What a joke.

Hopefully the Braves know that Wickman generally needs a two run lead to get the job done comfortably, or there could be a lot of pissed off fans.[/QUOTE]

Our pen blows 5-run leads routinely. Anything is an upgrade, even a closer that's probably going to retire this winter.
 
Back To Back To Back dingers for the Giants.

What gets me is Jim Bowden GM of the Nats' says he's got around 12 teams interested in Soriano but won't name any. As a Giants fan I wouldn't want Soriano knowing he'd ditch after the year, and it's not like hes young either, he's I believe 32.
 
Rumor about sox trading Mike Lowell. The Padres are interested in picking him up, as they don't have a 3b. The redsox in return would get jake peavy, who has struggled so far this year. But a rotation for this season and going down the road with schilling, beckett, peavy, lester, (paplebon if they take him out of the bullpen next season), and wakefield would look good to me. The red sox would move youk back to 3b, and most likely bring up heep sup choi to play 1b.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Rumor about sox trading Mike Lowell. The Padres are interested in picking him up, as they don't have a 3b. The redsox in return would get jake peavy, who has struggled so far this year. But a rotation for this season and going down the road with schilling, beckett, peavy, lester, (paplebon if they take him out of the bullpen next season), and wakefield would look good to me. The red sox would move youk back to 3b, and most likely bring up heep sup choi to play 1b.[/QUOTE]

i wonder if towers and epstein were bunk buddies because this would be the third trade between the two teams. peavy is just on a off year i would suppose...if the sox get him it would be a pretty hard to knock them out of the AL east.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']i wonder if towers and epstein were bunk buddies because this would be the third trade between the two teams. peavy is just on a off year i would suppose...if the sox get him it would be a pretty hard to knock them out of the AL east.[/QUOTE]

They aren't trading a stud young pitcher like Peavy for an older average veteran 3rd baseman. Especially not with the demand for pitching right now. There might be a trade between the Red Sox and Padres for Lowell, but it won't include Peavy. It would be for a different SP.
 
greendj, it wasn't some fan dream, it was reported by buster olney. While many trades that get reported don't occur, the red sox have 4 sp on the dl (wakefiled out at least a month, clement who know when coming back, wells who knows when coming back, and lenny dinardo the #5 guy for the first month and a half or so. 3 of those 4 were slated to be in the rotation at the begining of the season. The padres have no 3b with them cutting castillio. Maybe the sox will throw a bunch of money, maybe other players are involved, but it was the padres that inquired about lowell. Not so made up shit by a fan calling in to a sports radio show.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']greendj, it wasn't some fan dream, it was reported by buster olney. While many trades that get reported don't occur, the red sox have 4 sp on the dl (wakefiled out at least a month, clement who know when coming back, wells who knows when coming back, and lenny dinardo the #5 guy for the first month and a half or so. 3 of those 4 were slated to be in the rotation at the begining of the season. The padres have no 3b with them cutting castillio. Maybe the sox will throw a bunch of money, maybe other players are involved, but it was the padres that inquired about lowell. Not so made up shit by a fan calling in to a sports radio show.[/QUOTE]

It was reported by Olney that the Padres were talking about Lowell for a pitcher, not Peavy specifically. People started specualting Peavy on the internet.

Here is what Olney says in his blog on espn.com:
Heard Thursday that the Red Sox, in their effort to acquire a starting pitcher, talked about trading Mike Lowell to the San Diego Padres but that conversations have faded. I don't know who the pitcher moving from the Padres to the Red Sox would have been. But Boston would've moved Kevin Youkilis from first to third base. Considering how well Lowell has played this year, the pitcher targeted by Boston must've been notable.
 
That would be a sweet trade, as it would help them get younger and free up 3rd base for Youk.

I would love to see Peavy in a Sox uniform, but I think it would take a bit more to get him other than Lowell.

Edit: If they were to move Lowell and someone else and/or money to get Peavy, who would they throw at 1st? Would they make an attempt to get Hillenbrand, or would they just platoon Snow and someone else there.
 
[quote name='starman9000']How bout them Twins, just put up an 8 run 4th. We're coming....we're coming!!!!![/quote]

They are doing good, but they've still got to get past the White Sox or Tigers and Yankees or Red Sox for the wild card. I don't see that happening.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']They are doing good, but they've still got to get past the White Sox or Tigers and Yankees or Red Sox for the wild card. I don't see that happening.[/QUOTE]


No, I doubt they will make the playoffs either, but it's still fun to see them putting together a good run. Thats three 8 game winning streaks in 2 months.
 
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