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[quote name='starman9000']No, I doubt they will make the playoffs either, but it's still fun to see them putting together a good run. Thats three 8 game winning streaks in 2 months.[/quote]
I will give them credit, they always seem to find a way to make it interesting. The only thing in their way is the Tigers (crazy how grammar works like that, even if it sounds terrible), since the Tigers have the youth movement going on now. The White Sox are another year or 2 away from falling back to Earth.

Edit: The Central could be the best league in the majors, if it wasn't for KC (something needs to be done with this sack of shit team). Cleveland is in a rough year, and maybe with the move to dump Wickman, they may be able to turn it around.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Back To Back To Back dingers for the Giants.

What gets me is Jim Bowden GM of the Nats' says he's got around 12 teams interested in Soriano but won't name any. As a Giants fan I wouldn't want Soriano knowing he'd ditch after the year, and it's not like hes young either, he's I believe 32.[/quote]
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3993

He's 30. Since when did ESPN starts including pronunciations on each player's page?

I know Cleveland's been disappointing this year, but why are they only getting a single-A catcher in return for Wickman? I know he's not great, but it seemed they just wanted to get rid of him for without much in return. It's too bad the bullpen and defense have kept the team down with the productive year their offense is having (especially the monster called Travis Hafner).
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']That would be a sweet trade, as it would help them get younger and free up 3rd base for Youk.

I would love to see Peavy in a Sox uniform, but I think it would take a bit more to get him other than Lowell.

Edit: If they were to move Lowell and someone else and/or money to get Peavy, who would they throw at 1st? Would they make an attempt to get Hillenbrand, or would they just platoon Snow and someone else there.[/QUOTE]
well there backup is heep sup choi (sp?) who has been at Pawtucket all season. Doing ok there. JT Snow I believe is gone. He should have cleared waivers by now. Also, according to francona the current backup 1b is mark loretta. If they wanted to avoid using choi, they could move loretta to 1b, and have alex cora and dustin pedroia as the 2b/utility guys. Another thought is to let Willie Mo Pena play some 1b. While he hadn't played a lot, he appears to have done some listening to either the hitting coach, big pappi, or manny. He wasn't striking out 1 out of ever 2.5 ab like he has in the past. He also was batting around .300 before the injury, and he had been getting decent playing time with trot missing about a week early in the season, and cocco missing about 3 months.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I will give them credit, they always seem to find a way to make it interesting. The only thing in their way is the Tigers (crazy how grammar works like that, even if it sounds terrible), since the Tigers have the youth movement going on now. The White Sox are another year or 2 away from falling back to Earth.

Edit: The Central could be the best league in the majors, if it wasn't for KC (something needs to be done with this sack of shit team). Cleveland is in a rough year, and maybe with the move to dump Wickman, they may be able to turn it around.[/QUOTE]

If the Twins do somehow make the playoffs, watch out. With Liriano and Santana, they have a great front end of that rotation.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']well there backup is heep sup choi (sp?) who has been at Pawtucket all season. Doing ok there. JT Snow I believe is gone. He should have cleared waivers by now. Also, according to francona the current backup 1b is mark loretta. If they wanted to avoid using choi, they could move loretta to 1b, and have alex cora and dustin pedroia as the 2b/utility guys. Another thought is to let Willie Mo Pena play some 1b. While he hadn't played a lot, he appears to have done some listening to either the hitting coach, big pappi, or manny. He wasn't striking out 1 out of ever 2.5 ab like he has in the past. He also was batting around .300 before the injury, and he had been getting decent playing time with trot missing about a week early in the season, and cocco missing about 3 months.[/quote]
It will be good to get an improved Wily Mo in the lineup and see if he can get where they were expecting him to be. If that happens, then trading away Lowell (good to see his resurgence) and someone else to get a decent arm would be a great possibility.

And whats up with Big Papi playing first tonight? Who is the DH?

[quote name='greendj27']If the Twins do somehow make the playoffs, watch out. With Liriano and Santana, they have a great front end of that rotation.[/quote]
They would definitely be a force to watch out for in the division series. They will just miss out as I think the top 2 in the Central and East, as of now, will be ahead of them when its all said and done.

Edit: Good to see the Reds pull of the walk off win. Looks like St. Louis is going to win, so they don't gain any groud, but they also don't let the Giants pull even in the wild card.
 
A friend of mine whos related to someone in the Giants front office, gave me the details on Shea Hillenbrand coming to the Giants in return for Jeremy Accardo and another player.

I'm happy with the trade, but the Jays got a really good player in Accardo.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']A friend of mine whos related to someone in the Giants front office, gave me the details on Shea Hillenbrand coming to the Giants in return for Jeremy Accardo and another player.

I'm happy with the trade, but the Jays got a really good player in Accardo.[/QUOTE]

i hope hillenbrand doesnt destroy the clubhouse though...that guy is notorious for being a clubhouse brat...and i tink SF doesnt need anymore of them. but who knows now he has a chip on his shoulder so it should make him play better
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']i hope hillenbrand doesnt destroy the clubhouse though...that guy is notorious for being a clubhouse brat...and i tink SF doesnt need anymore of them. but who knows now he has a chip on his shoulder so it should make him play better[/QUOTE]

Shea Hillenbrand was a good, versatile player, but his stats lie. Despite having a .300 average, his OBP was like .330, which is weak.

Is Accardo a decent arm, at least?
 
Wow, I didn't realize that the Twins had closed in on the White Sox so quick. 3 games back of them is it.

I may eat my words about them not making the playoffs, and I'd be more than happy to if they kept the White Sox or Yankees out of the post season.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Wow, I didn't realize that the Twins had closed in on the White Sox so quick. 3 games back of them is it.

I may eat my words about them not making the playoffs, and I'd be more than happy to if they kept the White Sox or Yankees out of the post season.[/QUOTE]


Next week will be fun, with series vs both the Sox and Tigers.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']The rest of the United States couldn't disagree with you more.[/quote]
maybe, but the ratings are always high then when the red sox play the yanks in the al champ series

2003 stats sox vs yanks

In a year-to-year comparison, the overall average household rating for the 2003 League Championship Series on Fox was 65% higher than the average rating for the 2002 LCS, representing the greatest year-to-year percent increase in LCS history, and the biggest year-to-year jump for any sports event in recent history. The 2003 LCS also increased by 82% in adults 18-49 versus 2002. Overall, the 2003 League Championship Series was the most-watched LCS since 1995, and the most-viewed ever on Fox. The 11.8 prime time household rating average for League Championship Series games was also 53% higher than the household average for NBC, ABC, and CBS (7.7).


2004 sox vs yanks

Despite a four game World Series in 2004, Fox drew the highest World Series ratings in a decade, and its League Championship Series ratings rose sharply over the last two years, largely from the big-market New York Yankees-Boston Red Sox grudge matches.

2005 whitesox vs angels

Fox also prospered in 2004 with the Red Sox-Yankees American League Championship Series, making the difference between the two years even more stunning. Fox's prime time average viewership for the same week in 2004 was 22 million — double its closest rival — while in 2005, Fox barely made second place with 10.6 million viewers.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_on_Fox#2005

Some can try to blame it on some of the good tv programming, but imo people like to watch the sox and yanks go at it. While I imagine a large partion has to do with the large size of boston and NY media markets, but houston, chicago and anaheim have fairly large markets to draw from as well. I know boston is #5 in the country, I think NY was 2nd or 3rd. Chicago and Los Angeles are both above boston.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']maybe, but the ratings are always high then when the red sox play the yanks in the al champ series

2003 stats sox vs yanks

In a year-to-year comparison, the overall average household rating for the 2003 League Championship Series on Fox was 65% higher than the average rating for the 2002 LCS, representing the greatest year-to-year percent increase in LCS history, and the biggest year-to-year jump for any sports event in recent history. The 2003 LCS also increased by 82% in adults 18-49 versus 2002. Overall, the 2003 League Championship Series was the most-watched LCS since 1995, and the most-viewed ever on Fox. The 11.8 prime time household rating average for League Championship Series games was also 53% higher than the household average for NBC, ABC, and CBS (7.7).


2004 sox vs yanks

Despite a four game World Series in 2004, Fox drew the highest World Series ratings in a decade, and its League Championship Series ratings rose sharply over the last two years, largely from the big-market New York Yankees-Boston Red Sox grudge matches.

2005 whitesox vs angels

Fox also prospered in 2004 with the Red Sox-Yankees American League Championship Series, making the difference between the two years even more stunning. Fox's prime time average viewership for the same week in 2004 was 22 million — double its closest rival — while in 2005, Fox barely made second place with 10.6 million viewers.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_on_Fox#2005

Some can try to blame it on some of the good tv programming, but imo people like to watch the sox and yanks go at it. While I imagine a large partion has to do with the large size of boston and NY media markets, but houston, chicago and anaheim have fairly large markets to draw from as well. I know boston is #5 in the country, I think NY was 2nd or 3rd. Chicago and Los Angeles are both above boston.[/QUOTE]

That's the reason. I love the Sox, but even I think ESPN shows too many Sox/Yanks games.
 
during the regular season, I agree....End of sept, and postseason, IMO, the sox/yanks will/do get great ratings. This year MLB really fucked up the scheduling between the 2 of them. One series in aug in fenway, and one in the bronx in sept. Granted there is 9 games in those 2 series, but 1 series in mid aug, and 1 in mid sept between those 2 al east teams is horrible scheduling. Last year, with the yanks winning it in fenway in the last games of the season was great.
 
To the Blue Jays fan, Accardo is a really good young pitcher, the only problem is, he cracks under pressure. He's very up and down but trust me you'll take him.

Tonight Hillenbrand goes 1-3, makes a very nice defensive play, so not bad opener and the Giants are in first place. I'm going to the game tommorow, so my luck is that their going to lose.

And as much as I hate the Yankees and the talk of Yanks vs Sox, I love seeing them face off. It's not as enjoyable without Pedro, but I mean cmon' it's like the Heat vs Lakers, can't get enough.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']To the Blue Jays fan, Accardo is a really good young pitcher, the only problem is, he cracks under pressure. He's very up and down but trust me you'll take him.

Tonight Hillenbrand goes 1-3, makes a very nice defensive play, so not bad opener and the Giants are in first place. I'm going to the game tommorow, so my luck is that their going to lose.

And as much as I hate the Yankees and the talk of Yanks vs Sox, I love seeing them face off. It's not as enjoyable without Pedro, but I mean cmon' it's like the Heat vs Lakers, can't get enough.[/QUOTE]

That's me.

You'll find that Hillenbrand has absolutely no patience at the plate, and it'll piss you off royally. Still though, a decent hitter.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']during the regular season, I agree....End of sept, and postseason, IMO, the sox/yanks will/do get great ratings. This year MLB really fucked up the scheduling between the 2 of them. One series in aug in fenway, and one in the bronx in sept. Granted there is 9 games in those 2 series, but 1 series in mid aug, and 1 in mid sept between those 2 al east teams is horrible scheduling. Last year, with the yanks winning it in fenway in the last games of the season was great.[/QUOTE]

oooh even though im a met fan i might want to see if i can catch tix to that one...
 
So, what are the rumblings in the trade-fronts? I see Sean Casey is now linked to Detroit also. Not sure if they will make a move or not. IT seems like MOST teams always do, so I'm sure they will. I just don't want them to lose their key young talent.

Dimitri Young was back this weekend and he looked pretty good. It's nice to have someone to give SHelton a day off. He's been slumping horribly anyways....the fluke start. I guess he's still doing decent though, batting around .290 or so.

I guess we'll see in a week what moves are made. Soriano, Casey, Abreau....who knows.
 
[quote name='doubledown']So, what are the rumblings in the trade-fronts? I see Sean Casey is now linked to Detroit also. Not sure if they will make a move or not. IT seems like MOST teams always do, so I'm sure they will. I just don't want them to lose their key young talent.

Dimitri Young was back this weekend and he looked pretty good. It's nice to have someone to give SHelton a day off. He's been slumping horribly anyways....the fluke start. I guess he's still doing decent though, batting around .290 or so.

I guess we'll see in a week what moves are made. Soriano, Casey, Abreau....who knows.[/QUOTE]

its mostly the same news on the trade fronts right now. last thing i heard was Zito and Willis will not be available and that Soriano does not want to get dealt but we will see at the end of the week what happens.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']its mostly the same news on the trade fronts right now. last thing i heard was Zito and Willis will not be available and that Soriano does not want to get dealt but we will see at the end of the week what happens.[/QUOTE]

I hear Lugo to the Jays is a real possibility, so much so he didn't play last night. Would definitely be a major coup.
 
while lugo would be a big improvement on what the jays have currently, don't you need a solid #3 - #5 starter and middle relief help more then a ss? Personally I like Lilly, but he gets hurt a lot, and has his ups and downs, to much so to be a solid #3
 
[quote name='ryanbph']while lugo would be a big improvement on what the jays have currently, don't you need a solid #3 - #5 starter and middle relief help more then a ss? Personally I like Lilly, but he gets hurt a lot, and has his ups and downs, to much so to be a solid #3[/QUOTE]

They're still awaiting the return of Chacin from the DL, and with his return the Jays will have a deeper rotation then most of the AL East (arguably the same as the Red Sox). With his comeback, Lilly becomes the #4 guy, and a strong one at that. They just got Accardo, who seems to have some zip in his arm, but another experienced middle-reliever would be good. I think Lugo is to replace the bat they lost with Hillenbrand. All they want is some young pitching, and they have quite a few arms young arms to trade.
 
While I like Lilly as a pitcher, I don't think many would argue that he is a solid #4 pitcher. He is hurt constatly and his numbers don't justify the fact that he is a solid #4. That would be the same if I said matt clement is a solid #4 on a playoff caliber team. Lilly has made 30 starts 2x in his 6 ++ mlb career, is a .500 pitcher, with a 4.56era. He constantly shuts the red sox down, which is a plus, but shit whoever the blue jays throw against the red sox over the past 2 years have shut them down. You could bring back dave stieb or jimmy key, and still beat the sox.
 
[quote name='greendj27']Soriano is close to be traded to the White Sox for Brandon McCarthy and others.[/QUOTE]

Oh fuck that. One more star Ozzie gets to be a little shit to.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14026863/

Harold Reynolds got fired from ESPN after 11 years as an analyst. Huge blow IMO cause we now have to listen to Kruk and Phillips more.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to know what for. I know Kruk and he got into it on the air over A-Rod, but if anyone had to go, it should have been Fat fuck John Kruk and Steve 'I ran the Mets into the ground' Phillips.
 
Twins are just a game out of the Wild card now. This is getting fun. Hopefully they can tear a few wins out of the Tigers in the next couple of weeks.
 
It was sexual harrassment. There is a story in today's New York Post about it. I don't have a link to the article yet though.
 
Just saw this trade between the Brewers and Royals on mentioned on ESPN:

Brewers get
Tony Graffanino

Royals get
Jorge de la Rosa

And Jose Vidro is on the DL.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I just saw that Tony Graffinino was traded to the Brewers for Mark Dela Rosa (or something like that). I can't seem to find a link anywhere, just saw it on the bottomline on ESPN.

I am looking for a link right now.[/QUOTE]

It was Tony Graffanino for Jorge De La Rosa (P) who the Brewers had basically given up on. Probably a good trade for both teams.


Brewers acquire INF Graffanino from Royals
Tony Graffanino - 3B - MLW - Jul. 25 - 10:22 pm et
Brewers acquired infielder Tony Graffanino from the Royals for LHP Jorge De La Rosa.
The Brewers aren't giving up yet. Still, it had become clear that De La Rosa wasn't in their plans, meaning that they sacrificed little to shore up their infield here. In other words, don't rule out a Carlos Lee trade just yet. Graffanino should bump Chris Barnwell from the roster and see action at third, short and second. He could play at least three times per week until Corey Koskie returns -- if Koskie returns -- giving him a little value in NL-only leagues. He was hitting .268/.346/.409 in 220 at-bats for the Royals. Jul. 25 - 10:22 pm et
 
[quote name='greendj27']It was sexual harrassment. There is a story in today's New York Post about it. I don't have a link to the article yet though.[/QUOTE]

And a new baby at home, too.

Anyways, heard grumblings about a Wilson Betemit (Bet-e-me) trade. There is no way the Braves should trade this guy unless a) he really wants to go somewhere else to play everyday or b) we get a top-line pitcher for him. He's the best bench bat we've had in a decade, and can play any of the left three infield positions with good skill.

I'd almost us rather trade Giles, as much as I like him.
 
I wonder who would be willing to shell out more for Lee if he is moved, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox (assuming they be going after another bat), or Dodgers?
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I wonder who would be willing to shell out more for Lee if he is moved, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox (assuming they be going after another bat), or Dodgers?[/QUOTE]

Supposedly the Tigers have offered their top pitching prospect, Humberto Sanchez for him.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I wonder who would be willing to shell out more for Lee if he is moved, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox (assuming they be going after another bat), or Dodgers?[/QUOTE]

El Caballo? I think (as much as I hate to see it happen) the Yankees would pull the trigger and let Sheffield walk rather than pay his option.
 
[quote name='greendj27']Supposedly the Tigers have offered their top pitching prospect, Humberto Sanchez for him.[/quote]

And thats something they'd didn't want to do with Soriano.

I would love to see him in a Red Sox uniform, but theres really nowhere for him to play, unless Trot and Pena would be sent to the Brewers in a package for him. I wouldn't mind dumping Trot before the end of the season, but I'd hate to see the Sox give up on Pena this season. Let him play in a winter league and get his swing under control, since he had a 2 month DL stint.

But as long as he lands on the anyone other than the Yankees, its all good.
 
I'm not sure if Detroit officially offered Sanchez yet. It sounds like Washington wants THREE of Detroits TOP-prospects. I hope they don't give away ALL the youth. Sanchez missed his last start at AAA, so that may scare off suitors for him.

If it was just Sanchez and someone else minor, that is fine. Detroit has some great young pitching anyways in Bonderman, Verlander, and good pitching Minor, Maroth and a few others in the minors.

I hope last night wasn't Kenny Rogers hitting the wall either....2/3 of an inning....horrible.
 
[quote name='doubledown']I'm not sure if Detroit officially offered Sanchez yet. It sounds like Washington wants THREE of Detroits TOP-prospects. I hope they don't give away ALL the youth. Sanchez missed his last start at AAA, so that may scare off suitors for him.

If it was just Sanchez and someone else minor, that is fine. Detroit has some great young pitching anyways in Bonderman, Verlander, and good pitching Minor, Maroth and a few others in the minors.

I hope last night wasn't Kenny Rogers hitting the wall either....2/3 of an inning....horrible.[/QUOTE]

rogers just had a bad game...even contreras had his nad lost for the first time in 17 starts...he will be fine..anyway my favorite tiger pitcher Zumaya is in the back wing so i think if the tigers trade sanchez it wont be bad as anything thinks because their pitching is still really really young so they can afford to deal some prospects and get a bat like soriano.
 
I think the rangers overpaid for a rental player in lee, who is good, but nothing great. Cruz is supposed to be a talented prospect. It just doesn't make sense for the rangers
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']first big deal of the day...looks like the brew crew are out of the soriano race
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2532418

Carlos Lee,Nelson Cruz to Texas for Laynce Nix, Kevin Mench, and Francisco Cordero..so what do you guys think of this.[/QUOTE]

I'm just glad the White Sox didn't get him. Hopefully they lose out on Soriano also. Only a couple more days left....we'll see what happens. I wonder what Detroit will do.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I think the rangers overpaid for a rental player in lee, who is good, but nothing great. Cruz is supposed to be a talented prospect. It just doesn't make sense for the rangers[/QUOTE]

They were trying to dump salary and make a run at the postseason. I think the logic is in line with the reason they dumped Soriano at the beginning of the year, in that they have a ton of players who are going to eat up a lot of their payroll in the next few years and cannot afford them all.

Hopefully they can nab a decent pitcher as well. Eaton coming back should help out the rotation, but if they get someone else they have a real chance to win the division.
 
Well I don't know the lengths of anyones contracts besides lee, but he isn't a cheap player that they will need to pay 1/3 of the contract for.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Well I don't know the lengths of anyones contracts besides lee, but he isn't a cheap player that they will need to pay 1/3 of the contract for.[/QUOTE]

From what I read Lee makes 8,500,000 this year. Mench makes around 3 million (up for arbitration at the end of the year) and Cordero makes 4 million this year and 5 next year.

Also I just read that they are 7th in the AL in runs and Brad Wilkerson leads the team in home runs with 15! That is just unreal and makes the deal sound even better for the Rangers. If he can light a fire under the middle of the lineup, then they definately have a chance to make the playoffs.
 
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