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[quote name='Unknown50862']Baggu Bag - Duffel

Ordered it yesterday, and it just now got labeled as "Going Fast". I wanted to get into the next special redemption because the last one, things didn't go immediately. Left it to where I would spend .84 cents and used about 900 PTZ.[/QUOTE]

Frankly, almost everything that you might have actually wanted, was gone almost immediately. The reason that the redemption was open so long was because of a few ridiculously high PTZ items (like the TV and Mac computer) and an un-ending sea of crap that nobody wanted (like ipone skins and wallpapers). The redemption might still be going on right now if they hadn't mercy ruled it. Because it sure as hell didn't end because everything was gone.
 
[quote name='The End']Frankly, almost everything that you might have actually wanted, was gone almost immediately. The reason that the redemption was open so long was because of a few ridiculously high PTZ items (like the TV and Mac computer) and an un-ending sea of crap that nobody wanted (like ipone skins and wallpapers). The redemption might still be going on right now if they hadn't mercy ruled it. Because it sure as hell didn't end because everything was gone.[/QUOTE]

There were several netbooks up for about 7 minutes, which is what I was thinking about getting. Currently sitting at around 6000ptz, so if nothing happens this month, I might as well go in for a game. Then again, they'll probably cancel anything I try to order at this point.

Still waiting for an email to explain my cancellation...
 
I don't remember that, but I'll take your word for it.

Why didn't you pull the trigger? Were you looking for something else?

As for your order cancellation. I know I'm probably not telling you something you couldn't figure out for yourself. But if you haven't heard anything by Tuesday, I'd send them an email asking them what the hell happened.
 
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Alright i just signed up for lockerz, but i got a few questions....

1)Is it worth doing? Everybody here seems to have bad experiences with it, or atleast with getting the prizes

2)People mentioned that netbooks and such are the only prizes that typically last longer than a few seconds, so how many points do those cost?

3)What the gay is up with the videos on that site? Weird as hell.
 
Here's one reason why Lockerz is quiet: SHOP is US only, so any "special redemption" is US only. Plus the general redemptions blow now: they seem to have taken everything from there and put it in SHOP.

All the international bots must be bored.
 
Woah, yeah they did... Hmmm, I doubt they'll stay at that, though, to be honest. I mean, why offer triple ptz on videos and lower prices?


*EDIT* Nope. Shit's gonna be out faster than ever before :D
 
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Yea all of the computers / ipads are marked at like 1000-2000 pts, i mean i signed up like a day ago and already have almost 1000 pts i can't imagine that not selling out insanely fast
 
yeah I mean it really doesn't matter how much PTZ something costs in the redemption because I assume they have the same number of items anyway. All this does is encourage more people to go on the site and watch the videos
 
Interesting method, triple points, lower prices. Idk how I've managed to get either of my previous prizes on my internet speed, but hopefully I'll be as fast this time. Just bought my shop item too, but I'm assuming everybody and their grandma (in the US) will be doing that this time. If they limit it to one per person this time, I hope they bring back the $1000 paypal since that would just about pay for my Envy 14 I'm buying at the end of the month. In other news, I'm now an expert bartender and chef thanks to lockerz.
 
Smart move on their part......I will never get an item. Havent yet stumbled upon a redemption that had anything in stock.
 
Oh man, I bought something in shop earlier today thinking that I'd have a decent shot of getting something this time. I was actually hoping that they’d raise the ptz for redemption, and instead they lowered them. Now I know that I have absolutely no shot of getting anything in the redemptions this month. I just threw away 80 cents on my purchase.

I mean it would be one thing if I had bought something that I might have wanted, but I bought a stupid sticker. I did so thinking that they would have to raise the redemption requirements with all the triple ptz they’ve been giving out and I wanted to buy the thing that would cost the least amount of ptz. If I had know that they were gonna lower it, I either wouldn’t have bothered buying anything, or I would have bought a t-shirt or a dvd. As it is, I’m probably just gonna throw the stupid sticker out when I get it.
 
The more i think about it the more this website just reeks of a scam..

You get points for everything.. and you can get 6 points for 30 second videos... so points are insanely easy to get. But they're giving you points instead of cash because with cash you can just take it and leave but points you have to stick around till you spend em..

They don't have an open ongoing redemption like all the other get-paid-to sites, they have a special one every month, which gives them an excuse for running out of stock. If they had it open they can't just deny everybody but if they make it look like a once a month mad grab for prizes they've got an excuse to turn everybody away.

So you watch videos and watch videos and watch videos making them tons of money from ads until you finally have the points you need for you item and you're ready for the redemption. But you can't just get in you have to pay atleast 79 cents... But with points values so low and the thought that you're going to get macbook or and ipad who wouldn't pay 79 cents. So then if a million people pay 79 cents this website makes almost $800,000 extra not counting the ad money..

So redemption day comes everybody gets all excited and then everything's gone and if you manage to place an order it gets cancelled. But it makes sense because its probably over a million people going for a limited stock of prizes right? But they send out some prizes just so they'll have positive stories to back up their limited prizes story. So they probalby send out $5000-$10,000 in prizes at most, leaving them an insane amount of profit.

So everybody's like well damn that sucks but i'll get em next month, ill just keep watching videos till then! So the process repeats.

Then they decide since people are complaining about not getting prizes they'll start the shop so now you can use your points to lower the prices on stuff which is cool until you realize it takes a bout 1000 points to lower the price of an item by around $10 or $15 so they're getting you to buy more items from them while still having reasons to keep watching videos.

It's a pretty genius idea. They'll make shit-tons of cash, a very few amount of people will get some cool prizes to keep hope alive for everyone else, and 99.9% of the users get screwed.

That's my theory atleast.
 
Honestly, that is a little bit off. There's no way that I could have gotten the amount of items I have if they only had a dozen of each item or so... I've gotten around $450 worth of items through at least four redemptions and shop. That doesn't include the Z-list shirt or LAB hoodie, which, both couldn't cost that much. I haven't spent a dollar on Lockerz, and as much of a supporter I've been, I've lost a lot of what I've felt because they pretty much dropped the ball with the LAB members.


Oh, and I did buy a $90 watch for around 3100 ptz, which I do understand is a bit skewed, as games cost more than that, so it's hard to generalize the whole "x ptz = x dollars off" since it's different for every item.
 
Well after a week (totally called that), they finally got back to me about my cancellation. Apparently their fraud team says I cheated, but instead of explaining how or giving any evidence, they just tell me to try again. *sigh* Getting tired of this bullshit, I'm not even going to try and argue with them. They can keep the damn 900 PTZ. I just hope any future orders don't get flagged.
 
[quote name='Cracka']The more i think about it the more this website just reeks of a scam..

You get points for everything.. and you can get 6 points for 30 second videos... so points are insanely easy to get. But they're giving you points instead of cash because with cash you can just take it and leave but points you have to stick around till you spend em..

They don't have an open ongoing redemption like all the other get-paid-to sites, they have a special one every month, which gives them an excuse for running out of stock. If they had it open they can't just deny everybody but if they make it look like a once a month mad grab for prizes they've got an excuse to turn everybody away.

So you watch videos and watch videos and watch videos making them tons of money from ads until you finally have the points you need for you item and you're ready for the redemption. But you can't just get in you have to pay atleast 79 cents... But with points values so low and the thought that you're going to get macbook or and ipad who wouldn't pay 79 cents. So then if a million people pay 79 cents this website makes almost $800,000 extra not counting the ad money..

So redemption day comes everybody gets all excited and then everything's gone and if you manage to place an order it gets cancelled. But it makes sense because its probably over a million people going for a limited stock of prizes right? But they send out some prizes just so they'll have positive stories to back up their limited prizes story. So they probalby send out $5000-$10,000 in prizes at most, leaving them an insane amount of profit.

So everybody's like well damn that sucks but i'll get em next month, ill just keep watching videos till then! So the process repeats.

Then they decide since people are complaining about not getting prizes they'll start the shop so now you can use your points to lower the prices on stuff which is cool until you realize it takes a bout 1000 points to lower the price of an item by around $10 or $15 so they're getting you to buy more items from them while still having reasons to keep watching videos.

It's a pretty genius idea. They'll make shit-tons of cash, a very few amount of people will get some cool prizes to keep hope alive for everyone else, and 99.9% of the users get screwed.

That's my theory atleast.[/QUOTE]


They're not making money off of most of those videos. The only ones that they're making money off of are the ones where they try to get us all excited about some $#!+ty band (can you say payola) or the movie trailers. If anything, they lose money on having to pay for the rights to run most of those videos.

What they’re trying to do is build up a user base of members who will buy stuff from them. They’ve known since day one that they’d lose a bunch of members along the way, but they’re hoping that enough people end up sticking around to eventually turn a profit. That’s why they’ve pushed for us to pester our friends to join the site. For every 20 people that are roped in, they’ll probably get one or two who will stick around through all the bull$#!+.

They’re obviously taking a hit up front with all the free stuff that they’ve given away, but they’re banking on enough people to stick around to make it work in the future.

Recently, they’ve also added the bonus questions. Unlike the stupid questions that they ask each day, the bonus questions seem to be the sort of things which they can sell for market research. So that’s gonna be a new revenue stream for them.
 
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[quote name='Unknown50862']Well after a week (totally called that), they finally got back to me about my cancellation. Apparently their fraud team says I cheated, but instead of explaining how or giving any evidence, they just tell me to try again. *sigh* Getting tired of this bullshit, I'm not even going to try and argue with them. They can keep the damn 900 PTZ. I just hope any future orders don't get flagged.[/QUOTE]


I'd argue it and demand tangible evidence against you. What's the worst they will do? Delete your account? Would that matter to you anymore? If they cannot present you with anything other than "you know what you did!" then you deserve your ptz back.
 
To Oktoberfest: I’m glad that everything worked out for you. Makes me dare to hope that I might get something one day.

To Unknown50862: Sorry to hear that they screwed with you. Your story stomps all over the brief flickering flame of hope ignited by Oktoberfest’s success.
 
[quote name='The End']They're not making money off of most of those videos. The only ones that they're making money off of are the ones where they try to get us all excited about some $#!+ty band (can you say payola) or the movie trailers. If anything, they lose money on having to pay for the rights to run most of those videos.

What they’re trying to do is build up a user base of members who will buy stuff from them. They’ve known since day one that they’d lose a bunch of members along the way, but they’re hoping that enough people end up sticking around to eventually turn a profit. That’s why they’ve pushed for us to pester our friends to join the site. For every 20 people that are roped in, they’ll probably get one or two who will stick around through all the bull$#!+.

They’re obviously taking a hit up front with all the free stuff that they’ve given away, but they’re banking on enough people to stick around to make it work in the future.

Recently, they’ve also added the bonus questions. Unlike the stupid questions that they ask watch day, the bonus questions seem to be the sort of things, which they can sell for market research. So that’s gonna be a new revenue stream for them.[/QUOTE]

Every video has an ad played before it, I guarantee they make pretty descent money off of that with the number of viewers they have and a built in reason why every user is likely to play ever video at least once. As for rights, I guarantee most of them were minimal if anything considering many are widely available on YouTube. (or they want the publicity of the said people who are "guaranteed" to watch)

I'm sure they also make their purchases in a way that maximizes profits; I mean they list DVD's for $30 on average. You more than pay for that DVD with the ad revenue you created for them.

As for the last part, yeah I noticed that, but then again I already thought about half of the dailies seemed more like marketing research than anything else.
 
[quote name='Unknown50862']Well after a week (totally called that), they finally got back to me about my cancellation. Apparently their fraud team says I cheated, but instead of explaining how or giving any evidence, they just tell me to try again. *sigh* Getting tired of this bullshit, I'm not even going to try and argue with them. They can keep the damn 900 PTZ. I just hope any future orders don't get flagged.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Vulgarism']I'd argue it and demand tangible evidence against you. What's the worst they will do? Delete your account? Would that matter to you anymore? If they cannot present you with anything other than "you know what you did!" then you deserve your ptz back.[/QUOTE]

I am usually a supporter of Lockerz but i have to say that their customer service is a joke.

If you are hoping to get an actual answer from them (or even the thing you ordered) i would give up, it is nearly impossible to get an actual response from them (outside of their canned responses).

If you want to continue with the site, you probably need to e-mail them through their amnesty e-mail address and say that you cheated (even if you didnt). If you got the cheating e-mail your account will most likely stay labled as a cheater. They will probably take half of your points away.

:cry:
 
[quote name='JokerCard']If you use Adblock, you dont see the ads before the video.[/QUOTE]

Ahhhh, I see. Never saw any of those ads.

Well that changes things a bit.
 
[quote name='Unknown50862']Well after a week (totally called that), they finally got back to me about my cancellation. Apparently their fraud team says I cheated, but instead of explaining how or giving any evidence, they just tell me to try again. *sigh* Getting tired of this bullshit, I'm not even going to try and argue with them. They can keep the damn 900 PTZ. I just hope any future orders don't get flagged.[/QUOTE]

I swear they just do this when you redeem items that happened to have gone out of stock, it's their easy way of not having to tell you that their inventory system blows ass.
 
I'm starting to think Lockerz is going father down hill and their starting to notice it as well. I mean for one, there is no way people are going to keep ordering from the site when it takes almost 20 days to receive your item.

Also, the site is plain retarded. You go there an answer questions, invite friends, and watch terrible videos. I mean make some damn forums or something for users to interact. I have never stayed on their page for longer then a minute.
 
I wouldn't expect them to ever make it where users can interact with each other. I mean seriously could you imagine what a forum on that site would be like... 1,000 topics of people complaining.

I could see them making it where all users can upload their own videos and it turning into something like youtube with prizes, but they'd have to screen every video to make sure it didn't turn into a video lockerz hatefest
 
[quote name='Cracka']I could see them making it where all users can upload their own videos and it turning into something like youtube with prizes, but they'd have to screen every video to make sure it didn't turn into a video lockerz hatefest[/QUOTE]

If they did that I might actually start watching the videos instead of just opening in a new tab and then reading CAG only going back to fill out the captcha a minute later.
 
[quote name='BudzMcGee']If they did that I might actually start watching the videos instead of just opening in a new tab and then reading CAG only going back to fill out the captcha a minute later.[/QUOTE]


Another member actually brought that up a few months ago, and I thought it was a great idea... His plan was pretty much where users submit videos, and then other users could vote on it for a couple of ptz, and at the end of the week, the video with the highest rating scored the upload-user 30 or 40 ptz. That would have kept a lot of interest in the site and adding a user-submitted section would bring a lot of interest back, and possibly take a little bit of hate away from the horrible redemption and inconsistent SHOP prices.

I wish I could give credit to who had that idea, but I can't remember who it was...
 
User submitted videos would almost certainly be a disaster. They wouldn’t be allowed to submit videos that are copywrited, so you’d end up with user created videos. Which means you’d get a bunch of videos with people trying to be funny, but failing miserably (kinda like they have on there now, only with lower production values). You’d also get a bunch of videos with people pulling off “rad” tricks on their skateboard, and some people doing things that jackass would have rejected. You’d also get some videos of people blathering on about their lives.

They can do it if they want to. But if they did, I’d still be doing what I’m doing now. Which is not watching the videos.

I kinda doubt that they’d do it though, because as has cracka said, they’d have to screen every video to make sure it didn’t contain anything objectionable (nudity, swearing or people telling the truth about how fucked up lockerz is). I just think that lockerz would be willing to put forth the effort needed to make that happen.
 
[quote name='The End']User submitted videos would almost certainly be a disaster. They wouldn’t be allowed to submit videos that are copywrited, so you’d end up with user created videos. Which means you’d get a bunch of videos with people trying to be funny, but failing miserably (kinda like they have on there now, only with lower production values). You’d also get a bunch of videos with people pulling off “rad” tricks on their skateboard, and some people doing things that jackass would have rejected. You’d also get some videos of people blathering on about their lives.

They can do it if they want to. But if they did, I’d still be doing what I’m doing now. Which is not watching the videos.

I kinda doubt that they’d do it though, because as has cracka said, they’d have to screen every video to make sure it didn’t contain anything objectionable (nudity, swearing or people telling the truth about how fucked up lockerz is). I just think that lockerz would be willing to put forth the effort needed to make that happen.[/QUOTE]


Consider the amount of members who still regularly visit Lockerz... Then, consider how many people would take the time to film/upload videos to Lockerz. That's a fairly small percentage, and even then, a small group of people could screen the videos. I doubt they would have the thousands of videos Youtube gets daily, but it would be a start. Besides, who would go through the hassle of filming a hate video, and uploading it just to have it deleted?

Regardless, what is the problem with people trying to be funny? Have you heard of viral videos? People trying to be funny, and thus end up being funny, or the video is funny for the wrong reasons, or the video is shitty. Oh well. Two minutes wasted and some extra ptz. I'm not saying that a user-submitted area of Lockerz would kick start careers like Youtube has for Derrickcomedy or Tay Zonday or any of the other hundreds of fifteen-minute-ers. It would be another way for members to earn ptz to help balance out the SHOP prices (which I find funny, because I can get a $25 1-pound box of chocolate covered graham crackers for cheaper than an $11 cd).

I guess it would be a win/lose for Lockerz, which seems to always be the case. Their attempts to please the throngs of users don't work, and it ends up blowing up in their faces. "retro-price redemption"? Well, of course lowering prices won't make people happy, because the items will go four times as fast. I guess they just need to have a day a month where SHOP prices are lowered by like 10% to help make SHOP a little more worthwhile, and they need to increase their turn-around with shipping the items. Although, I can't complain waiting a month for free shit.
 
My mousepad just shipped, everything seems to be going according as planned. Conveniently got my internet upgraded yesterday as well (good timing, but it wasn't just for the redemption), but unfortunately they remembered to cap it last night, which is a shame as I was enjoying the 50mb download speeds from the new line without paying the 50mb price. I also never noticed the bonus questions until two days ago, how long have those been there?
 
[quote name='Cracka']I wouldn't expect them to ever make it where users can interact with each other. I mean seriously could you imagine what a forum on that site would be like... 1,000 topics of people complaining.

I could see them making it where all users can upload their own videos and it turning into something like youtube with prizes, but they'd have to screen every video to make sure it didn't turn into a video lockerz hatefest[/QUOTE]

If you follow Lockerz on Twitter, they re-tweet a bunch of fans extolling the virtues of triple PTZ. "Wow Retro Redemption, got 1000 PTZ from watching PLAY!", etc.

EDIT: and now the SHOP redemption is overstocked! Go US members!
 
Edit: I think i'm getting the retro redemption and shop redemption mixed together, can somebody explain what the difference is i'm getting lost.
 
[quote name='Cracka']Edit: I think i'm getting the retro redemption and shop redemption mixed together, can somebody explain what the difference is i'm getting lost.[/QUOTE]

If I understand correctly, ALL redemptions for June will have retro prices. The general redemption is open to members who earn >50 ptz this month before the 21st and will happen between the 22-30. The shop redemption is open to all members who spend at least $0.79 in shop (excluding shipping) by the end of the month and will occur most likely the first week of July (taking a guess on this one, would make sense though.
 
I thought you make purchases in the shop at any time? So why was everybody going apeshit on the shop today and ordering stuff, and what would the shop redemption consist of? Thats what's confusing me because i don't get why there's a shop redemption if you can redeem stuff from the shop at any time..
 
[quote name='Cracka']I thought you make purchases in the shop at any time? So why was everybody going apeshit on the shop today and ordering stuff, and what would the shop redemption consist of? Thats what's confusing me because i don't get why there's a shop redemption if you can redeem stuff from the shop at any time..[/QUOTE]

the shop redemption is a general redemption except its limited to those who spent $.79 in SHOP
 
My friend told me to try to watch multiple videos by opening a bunch of tabs. Would this be considered cheating?
Update: Nvm, he found out it didn't work.
Anyway, he told me about the site and how cool it is, yet I never see prizes available. Bummer.
 
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[quote name='hockeyfun66@']My friend told me to try to watch multiple videos by opening a bunch of tabs. Would this be considered cheating?
Update: Nvm, he found out it didn't work.
Anyway, he told me about the site and how cool it is, yet I never see prizes available. Bummer.[/QUOTE]

Yeah they block that and the system is pretty glitchy too. I mean if you have a video open in a window, and in a different tab in the same window do anything, hell even clicking on the tab, and it'll often register that you are trying to watch more than one video. What I do is open Lockerz Play list in a new window, then in a new tab open a video. Then in a completely different window do the stuff I actually give a damn about. Check back in a minute or two depending on the video and fill out the captcha.

Am I the only one who rolled my eyes when they said they have "too many prizes" for the retro redemption? :roll: I'm sure they are all stocked up on those Iphone backgrounds. I feel that has to be at the very least a gray line in terms of illegal marketing (claiming so many prizes most people will be able to get a prize if they just spend $.79 in shop), unless of course everyone does get a prize. (Again, I'm sure it'd just be freaking Iphone backgrounds.
 
[quote name='BudzMcGee']Yeah they block that and the system is pretty glitchy too. I mean if you have a video open in a window, and in a different tab in the same window do anything, hell even clicking on the tab, and it'll often register that you are trying to watch more than one video. What I do is open Lockerz Play list in a new window, then in a new tab open a video. Then in a completely different window do the stuff I actually give a damn about. Check back in a minute or two depending on the video and fill out the captcha.

Am I the only one who rolled my eyes when they said they have "too many prizes" for the retro redemption? :roll: I'm sure they are all stocked up on those Iphone backgrounds. I feel that has to be at the very least a gray line in terms of illegal marketing (claiming so many prizes most people will be able to get a prize if they just spend $.79 in shop), unless of course everyone does get a prize. (Again, I'm sure it'd just be freaking Iphone backgrounds.[/QUOTE]

I've rarely had a problem of new tabs screwing up a video I have been watching. I can see why they would, though, to try and force you to watch the video, heh...

Also, that could be possible, but the last shop redemption, iPads were in for a while. DVD sets were in for a long time as well, actually. You could have it completely right, where there's a plethora of iPod skins, but I guess when the redemption rolls around, we will find out.
 
Damnit, my first attempt to post glitched.

There were Ipads for a while last time, but this time the 16gb Ipad is only 1,000, hell the mac books are only 2,500 and flip camcorders are only 200. You could of joined last week and afford most of those.

Sure enough I went to take a look and they flooded the redemption page with skins and wallpapers.
 
is anyone else seeing the Zynga Game Bar site loading instead of lockerz?

I typed in lockerz.com and it loaded the Zynga Game Bar website.. so i figured i typed it wrong and i look and its clearly typed right. I look at my recently visited sites and see the lockerz link with their little blue icon next to it and it takes me there too...

After a few minutes of trying it finally loaded the actual lockerz website. After i watched a video the confirmation box didnt show up so i refresh the page to restart the video and it goes back to the Zynga website.

Anyone know whats going on with this?
 
Now its back to Zynga again, and after searching google apparently alot of people are seeing it. They have a huge sale in the shop... drop prices on the next redemption and triple points and right before the redemption they either sell to Zynga or are redirecting there for some reason.

Like i said before this website reeks of scam
 
[quote name='Cracka']Now its back to Zynga again, and after searching google apparently alot of people are seeing it. They have a huge sale in the shop... drop prices on the next redemption and triple points and right before the redemption they either sell to Zynga or are redirecting there for some reason.

Like i said before this website reeks of scam[/QUOTE]


For the almost year I've been on Lockerz, I've never had that problem. Even if they do sell the site, I'm fine with that because I was able to get a decent haul. I can say up unto this point, Lockerz is NOT a scam, no matter what people say. They make more mistakes than any website should, and the redemption process is pretty terrible, and the customer services is worse than the redemptions, but they are a legit site. They should have flattened out the kinks by now, but whatever. They need to fix their priorities, like making sure the redemption process can go a bit better than adding new videos each day..
 
Was thinking about it and this triple point stuff is clearly meant to target new members. They've been pushing the "invite friends" stuff a lot lately and my guess is they have a ton of new members who couldn't afford anything; so they offer triple points for watching videos, and the less videos you've watched the more your profit. (I.e. if you haven't kept up with all the videos you'll have more to get triple points for, where as if you have kept up you have significantly less points to be gained). I love the post on the home page about the tweet of something who gained 7,000 points in one week. Assuming its real I think we can count on prizes going super fast in the general redemption for sure.
 
I signed up last week and watched videos for like 2 days and had 2000 pts so i'm sure theres plenty of people who with enough points to get any of the prizes. I mean the dailies videos were only like 50 seconds each and you could get 6 pts per video with 14 pages of them to watch if you just signed up
 
I signed up to Lockerz on New Years day, and I became a z-lister on Feb 10th. From that time to the time that they started doing triple ptz, I had managed to accumulate 4030 ptz.

There are currently 774 videos available for viewing on play. 774 x 6 = 4644 ptz

That means that if I had waited until today to create an account, I could have gotten more ptz in 24-48 hours than I had managed to get in six months. Granted, I’ve nearly doubled my ptz since they started doing triple ptz. But still, I can’t help but feel like being a member for the previous 6 months was a big waste of time.
 
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