LOST - The Final Season - LOST Auction Aug 21-22 (Post 1439)

[quote name='Magehart']My question is: Why the hell is Eloise always in the know about the alternate timelines? Is she like the gatekeeper of the universe(s)? I bet she'll have a major role in the remaining episodes.[/QUOTE]

i was thinking about this post ealier today.

so in the flash sideways the island still exists, albeit underwater now. but if you remember bens episode his dad lamented that they couldnt stay on the island (presumeably because they had to evacuate due to an atomic blast). if they were on the island it stands to reason that both charles and eloise were on the island as well. so they both could be privy to information about the island and that may be why charles is keeping desmond close and eloise knows about desmond.
 
I finally got around to seeing the Desmond episode and I am in the minority... it sucked. I was just waiting for it to end. Way too dry and to me felt like filler. A few thoughts...
1) Am I the only one that found it weird that Desmond was on the plane in the flash forward since he was already on the island when the plane crashed (i.e. means he would have never been on the plane to begin with)?
2) Timelinewise, would he also have already known Penny since he knew her when he crashed on the island?
3) In current time, Charles doesn't have a son. Yet, Daniel existed in current time (at one time). Just to me seems like a poor reason to try to link as many characters as they can in the flash forwards.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']I finally got around to seeing the Desmond episode and I am in the minority... it sucked. I was just waiting for it to end. Way too dry and to me felt like filler. A few thoughts...
1) Am I the only one that found it weird that Desmond was on the plane in the flash forward since he was already on the island when the plane crashed (i.e. means he would have never been on the plane to begin with)?
2) Timelinewise, would he also have already known Penny since he knew her when he crashed on the island?
3) In current time, Charles doesn't have a son. Yet, Daniel existed in current time (at one time). Just to me seems like a poor reason to try to link as many characters as they can in the flash forwards.[/QUOTE]

1. You're supposed to. Desmond wants the manifest to find some kind of discrepancy.
2. Since the alternate universe is tipsy turvy, it's completely possible that Desmond never meets Penny until when they did at the Stadium.
3. In the current time, Widmore's son was always Daniel. Nothing wrong here.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']3) In current time, Charles doesn't have a son. Yet, Daniel existed in current time (at one time). Just to me seems like a poor reason to try to link as many characters as they can in the flash forwards.[/QUOTE]

Faraday is Widmore's son in the main timeline as well.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']I finally got around to seeing the Desmond episode and I am in the minority... it sucked. I was just waiting for it to end. Way too dry and to me felt like filler. A few thoughts...
1) Am I the only one that found it weird that Desmond was on the plane in the flash forward since he was already on the island when the plane crashed (i.e. means he would have never been on the plane to begin with)?
2) Timelinewise, would he also have already known Penny since he knew her when he crashed on the island?
3) In current time, Charles doesn't have a son. Yet, Daniel existed in current time (at one time). Just to me seems like a poor reason to try to link as many characters as they can in the flash forwards.[/QUOTE]

1) the timeline appears to have split at when the nuke went off, so 1977. he never would have crashed on the island, hell he never would have entered a boat race.

2) irrelevant

3)daniel is his son in both timelines.
 
I really liked this desmond episode. Him finding Penny again was great. Seeing Faraday again was awesome. Even the ships radio operator who went crazy in the real world was great as the driver.

And now we know that the characters in the Alt universe will drawn together thanks to desmond.

The question I'm left with is: Why was Desmond so mellow when he came out of the box? He was so willing to help Widmore. And then when Siad showed up he was all like "sure man lets roll".

Is he so mellow because he knows he gets Penny in both universes? And it doesn't matter what universe wins?
 
[quote name='KingDox']I really liked this desmond episode. Him finding Penny again was great. Seeing Faraday again was awesome. Even the ships radio operator who went crazy in the real world was great as the driver.

And now we know that the characters in the Alt universe will drawn together thanks to desmond.

The question I'm left with is: Why was Desmond so mellow when he came out of the box? He was so willing to help Widmore. And then when Siad showed up he was all like "sure man lets roll".

Is he so mellow because he knows he gets Penny in both universes? And it doesn't matter what universe wins?[/QUOTE]

That could be....

I always thought when I seen it was it was the "plan" for him to get caught.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']"This doesn't matter. None of this matters. All that matters is we felt it." - Charlie Pace[/QUOTE]

With the amount of heroin in his system, I would say he probably feels it all the time ;)
 
[quote name='lordopus99']With the amount of heroin in his system, I would say he probably feels it all the time ;)[/QUOTE]
hahaha
 
Really liked that episode. Probably my 2nd favorite of the season after the Richard episode.

My girlfriend and I had the same take on the flash sideways thing--that it's not what happened if the plane never crashed per say, but what will be if Unlocke/smokey gets off the island.

Things seem better on the surface, but people seem to be lacking love. Jack has a kid, but no wife. Charley is longing for Claire, Desmond never had Penny. Jin and Sun were together, but didn't have the fathers approval and she was shot etc.

The whole memories from the split timeline thing seems ripped straight out of
Stephen King's The Dark Tower series in terms of people in that timeline having some memories from the other etc.
 
Maybe that flash sideways will end with some sort of apocalypse, implying what would happen if (as was said above) Smokey was released. Then the on-island plot has a happy ending to show what would happen if Jacob was the victor...and the audience gets to debate what ultimately happens. Like the infamous Sopranos finale.
 
I could live with a BSG style ending with some loose ends but nice closure on most characters. I have a feeling that's not gonna happen though...I'm dreading the happy ending we all know we're gonna get.
 
I'm also in the minority, didn't really enjoy this Desmond episode as much as the past ones and this season is really starting to get annoying. I used to be so excited for LOST and would always be in my chair the second it started, now I don't give a shit if I watch it three days after it airs. I really think I've began to hate Lost because of a key moment in this season and maybe someone could explain it to me to help me understand.

In the season 5 finale we see Richard and Eloise guide Jack, Sayid, and Jughead through tunnels and across the island to set it off. We also see Richard tell Sun that he saw them all die. Now Richard shows up at camp and Jack doesn't say "Hey Richard, what the fuck happened when that hydrogen bomb went off" or something like that? Nothing is discussed and that really pisses me off. Another thing that keeps running through my head is that after Eloise awakes from being knocked out by Richard (at the end of season 5) she goes and turns that damned donkey wheel and moves the Losties ahead in time and the bomb never goes off.

Seriously though, Richard just showing up and nobody being curious about the bomb really has annoyed/pissed me off. These LOST characters that we learned to love have become dumb vegetables who seem to be more clueless than the viewers but don't have the brains to ask the questions. There better be one hell of an explanation at the end of this season.
 
[quote name='humidore']I could live with a BSG style ending with some loose ends but nice closure on most characters. I have a feeling that's not gonna happen though...I'm dreading the happy ending we all know we're gonna get.[/QUOTE]


I only kinda liked the BSG ending... wished it was darker
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Maybe that flash sideways will end with some sort of apocalypse, implying what would happen if (as was said above) Smokey was released. Then the on-island plot has a happy ending to show what would happen if Jacob was the victor...and the audience gets to debate what ultimately happens. Like the infamous Sopranos finale.[/QUOTE]

One more fucking open-ended finale and I'm gonna fucking lose it.
 
The Sopranos ending wasn't open ended though. Yeah, people debated it, but there was only one outcome.

major
Tony was killed by "Guy in Members Only jacket" (possibly a blood relative of Eugene Pontecorvo, who killed himself in an earlier episode titled, oddly enough, Members Only...first episode of the final season). That entire last season foreshadowed Tony's death in clever ways. Even implying exactly that the "black" at the end was Tony being shot dead. If you go with the Pontecorvo theory, it's supposed to be an irony that Tony wasn't killed by New York, not by Leotardo's men, but by the relative of someone whose problems and ultimate suicide may have simply created a vendetta against Tony. The guy in the jacket is likely either a brother of Eugene or someone Eugene's wife (who despised Tony and even suggest that Eugene whack Tony himself) hired to do the job.
 
[quote name='pacifickarma']"I'll see you in another life, brother." Anyone else think there is more to this phrase than we originally thought?[/QUOTE]

Yep. I really think they're incorporating a lot of ideas from the Dark Tower series--which the producers have the film rights too (though it's backburnered indefinitely.

That line by Desmond is the equivalent to Jake's
"Go then, there are other worlds than these." line in the first book of the Dark Tower series.
 
it was pretty funny -
my wife was saying "This show is ridiculous. She's carrying it around like its nothing - when before it was unstable as hell and blew up that scient............."BOOOOOOOOOOM
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']it was pretty funny -
my wife was saying "This show is ridiculous. She's carrying it around like its nothing - when before it was unstable as hell and blew up that scient............."BOOOOOOOOOOM
[/QUOTE]

I know!!
 
[quote name='AndrewsAwesome4']WOW fuck you Mr. J.Locke/Smoke-Monster. I loved desmond no-homo[/QUOTE]


haha same here! i love desmond too (no homo)


but btw, did anyone else lol when flocke threw desmond into the well... i dont know why i thought itwas so funny
 
[quote name='billyrox']haha same here! i love desmond too (no homo)


but btw, did anyone else lol when flocke threw desmond into the well... i dont know why i thought itwas so funny[/QUOTE]

I would have laughed but as soon as I saw the well I knew in my head that somehow or another desmond was definitely going down it :(
 
[quote name='Darkchaos91']I don't know about anyone else but I was pretty happy when
Desmond hit Locke with the car.
[/QUOTE]

I was :)

That was just a bonus, as it could have easily ended with
Locke pushing desmond into the well
and been one of the better episodes this season.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']it was pretty funny -
my wife was saying "This show is ridiculous. She's carrying it around like its nothing - when before it was unstable as hell and blew up that scient............."BOOOOOOOOOOM
[/QUOTE]

I'm rather annoyed they wasted all that time developing the character just so they could have another dynamite gag. But I suppose it's nothing they haven't done before.
 
I'm torn, I'm hoping for some masterful finale, but what good is it when you have to watch the last few seasons chock full of sloppy episodes almost completely stripped of the trademark suspense/shock? I remember watching seasons 1-2, even 3, where the every intro and commercial break was a "OMGWTF!?!?!" moment. There just isn't much of that anymore.
 
Did anyone else catch a Seinfeld reference? I could swear I heard Hugo say something about The Human Fund when he and his mom were walking out of the award ceremony.
 
What a great episode. I loved everything about it.

Also, I think if Locke gets off the island, the timeline they are in is gone.

Widmore ". If that thing masquerading as John Locke ever got off this island, your wife, your daughter, my daughter, everyone we know and love - would simply cease to be."

Richard was along the lines of, if that thing leaves, its over. Everything.

I mean, I'm just speculating, but maybe if Locke leaves, the entire Island timeline is just gone. Thats what I love about this show, there are just so many things that they can end it with.
 
I guess I am in the minority this week, but I did not really care for this episode. Nothing that happened on the island interested me beyond Desmond's attitude. The alternate timeline was ok, at least the Desmond parts, which is a nice change from how crappy it has been most of the season. Maybe I just don't care for Libby/Hugo, I don't know.
 
I'm with you, I thought it was just a so-so episode.

At least we got one answer--what the whispers are. Which also kind of put the island back to being a purgatory--just the main characters not being dead as people thought back in season 1 (and the producers denied).

Other than that, on Island all we got was Desmond's attitutude. Off island all we got was Desmond visiting people much like Jacob did, and running over Locke. The stuff with Libby and Hurley was ok, but didnt' really move anything forward as the worlds/memories coming together had already been established in the Desmond episode last week.

Not bad, but didn't move a lot forward with how close we are to the end.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm with you, I thought it was just a so-so episode.

At least we got one answer--what the whispers are. Which also kind of put the island back to being a purgatory--just the main characters not being dead as people thought back in season 1 (and the producers denied).

Other than that, on Island all we got was Desmond's attitutude. Off island all we got was Desmond visiting people much like Jacob did, and running over Locke. The stuff with Libby and Hurley was ok, but didnt' really move anything forward as the worlds/memories coming together had already been established in the Desmond episode last week.

Not bad, but didn't move a lot forward with how close we are to the end.[/QUOTE]

Hurley and Libby did clear up one thing. It showed that a near death experience wasn't necessary to trade memories between the worlds. And it was a more of a deja vu occurrence
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']I'm torn, I'm hoping for some masterful finale, but what good is it when you have to watch the last few seasons chock full of sloppy episodes almost completely stripped of the trademark suspense/shock? I remember watching seasons 1-2, even 3, where the every intro and commercial break was a "OMGWTF!?!?!" moment. There just isn't much of that anymore.[/QUOTE]

You can only twist and turn so much before it gets silly. that is how Heroes killed itself

Oh and this just came to me but did Widmore know that Unlocke would push Des into the well. He has Des tested to ensure he could handle large amounts of electromagnetic energy. The well was deep and supposedly there is a ton of that energy buried in the Island. Was Smokey pushing Des into the well in some way an impulsive move that will back fire at a later time
 
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[quote name='Darkchaos91']I don't know about anyone else but I was pretty happy when
Desmond hit Locke with the car.
[/QUOTE]

why did he do that anyway? cuz he got thrown down the well? or cuz he wantshim to go to the hospital?
 
[quote name='billyrox']why did he do that anyway? cuz he got thrown down the well? or cuz he wantshim to go to the hospital?[/QUOTE]

At first I was thinking because of the Well, he somehow was getting revenge but now that I think about it, maybe this way he can get more People. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it but Locke would go to the hospital and meet with Jack again and then they would have their memories and possible Desmond goes to jail, meets Sawyer and Kate. Just a guess though.
 
Things FINALLY picked up in the alternate timeline and the plate has been set on the island. The final episodes of this season should be amazing.
 
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