LOST - The Final Season - LOST Auction Aug 21-22 (Post 1439)

[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah I don't think every question needs answered. They just need to wrap up the main plot in a satisfactory manner.

The one thing that does bother me that I don't see getting fixed is that the Dharma Initiative was such a big part of the mystery of the first 3 or 4 seasons, the focus of season 5 to an extent, and it really seems to have little to nothing to do with the main plot.

I doubt we'll even find out how they got to the Island when it seems only Jacob can bring people there for the most part etc.

Aside from resolving the Jacob/MiB plot line, the other big thing I hope gets tackled is the importance of Widmore/Hawking.

Other than that, I don't care so much about smaller questions getting answered as it's too late in the game for those.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. At the very least, I want a more in depth look at what the hell Widmore is actually doing there and maybe what exactly happened to get him kicked off the island initially.
 
[quote name='Ryukahn'] maybe what exactly happened to get him kicked off the island initially.[/QUOTE]

This was explained. He was having a relationship with someone from off the island (Penny's mom, probably), which was at the time against the rules of the Others. Ben apparently exposed him and got him kicked out, and he was exiled from the island.
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']This was explained. He was having a relationship with someone from off the island (Penny's mom, probably), which was at the time against the rules of the Others. Ben apparently exposed him and got him kicked out, and he was exiled from the island.[/QUOTE]

I meant how Ben knew and was able to make the power play. Back then I assume Ben didn't have the off-island resources he had as the leader of the others, so I was always curious as to how he got the information and was able to make a play for leader. The flashbacks didn't make him seem like the leader type.

Penny's mom is definitely what I assumed as well about the off-island relationship.
 
[quote name='xycury']Interesting, though I have to wonder how much deeper could the answers go....

And only $30? seems a bit cheap.[/QUOTE]

The real question is... Do you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes?
 
[quote name='xycury']Interesting, though I have to wonder how much deeper could the answers go....

And only $30? seems a bit cheap.[/QUOTE]

I'm not complaining. And Amazon says it's 404 pages, plus it looks like a pretty large book, physically.
 
[quote name='Ryukahn']I agree with this. At the very least, I want a more in depth look at what the hell Widmore is actually doing there and maybe what exactly happened to get him kicked off the island initially.[/QUOTE]

well widmore is still very much a part of the story, so we should learn at least a little more over the last two episodes about his agenda.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']well widmore is still very much a part of the story, so we should learn at least a little more over the last two episodes about his agenda.[/QUOTE]
He's a part of the story in so much as he shanghaied Des and in so doing brought a means of transportation to the Island. His agenda, at this point, is played out. The only unknown is why he brought Des, but he's mostly explained that.

Clearly Widmore is opposed to MiB, which aligns Des opposite MiB, which puts Des on Jacob's side. Maybe Des is the real Candidate instead of Jack, or maybe there's some last-minute reveals as to Des's role in helping the Island remain a cork by way of his magnetic personality. Oh yes I did say magnetic.

So if Widmore has anything left to explain for himself -- and I doubt he does -- it can't be that revelatory. His hand has been played. He is a spent force, much like Faraday. They were both accessories to the Desmond narrative.

EDIT: Reading back over this, I realize that I assume Widmore and Des are, for the most part, similarly aligned. It's possible that assumption is false, which throws my analysis off, but I don't buy it. Widmore's role is to get Des to the Island whether Des likes it or not. That's it.
 
WTF. Everyone on the Lost board loved this episode.


Personally I thought it was whatever. One of my least favorite this season. I dunno,
I thought the Jack being chosen as the guardian would've been more...climatic. It happened and I was like, "oh, ok cool." I feel like nothing was answered besides who is going to be the new guardian. The only part that I enjoyed was the Charles Widmore and Flocke scene
 
Well I'm still holding out hope but man - this season has been a let down so far. The des-centric episode and the richard episode were great - everything else has been pretty weak. Disjointed and clusterfucked. Me and my wife were pretty hard core early on. Really enjoyed the lost theory msg board stuff but the last couple/three seasons have been weak. I hate it too - I really wanted this to be great and so far it's really fizzled out - maybe they'll prove me wrong with a big bang - I sure hope so.
 
I wasn't too crazy about this episode either. Nothing surprising happened and no major questions were answered.
I knew for a while that Jack would be the one to take over for Jacob, so when that happened I was like "Yeah, whatever, I knew that was coming."
 
I do have to give it to Ben about "He doesn't get the chance to save his daughter." One thought though why did Jacob goto Widmore rather than Desmond himself, if Jacob was as super as he thought he was, he could have convinced Desmond to go himself...
 
[quote name='ImLuhkee']I do have to give it to Ben about "He doesn't get the chance to save his daughter." One thought though why did Jacob goto Widmore rather than Desmond himself, if Jacob was as super as he thought he was, he could have convinced Desmond to go himself...[/QUOTE]

Desmond was never going to leave Charlie and Penny to return to the island, no matter how much Jacob told him about vague smokey evil being unleashed on the world.

Episode was okay, not amazing. It felt badly paced, and I think the Ben sideways were a big reason for that. Much better than last week, but anything would be.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HAVE A GOOD ENDING

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T LET THE AU BE AN EPILOGUE

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
 
Hey if I missed tonights episode, what would the fastest way to watch it from another source ??

fuck you Red Dead Redemption for being so fun that I forgot to watch Lost ;)
 
Just watched it. So he's going to throw Desmond in the hole to make things go boom? But then it'll somehow backfire and putting Desmond in there will somehow result n a happy ending. Calling it now... Desmond + Light hole = everythings magically okay!

Also if everyone didn't already think it was going to be Jack then you're insane.
 
Lol, Sawyer actually referred to MIB as "Flocke."

And to the Charlie and the Chocolate factory references, they used a song from the original movie in a promo a few weeks ago. I also liked the Doors "The End" song in the promo after that, almost as an homage to the subtle modeling Locke and blatant modeling of Flocke after Kurtz.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Lol, Sawyer actually referred to MIB as "Flocke."

And to the Charlie and the Chocolate factory references, they used a song from the original movie in a promo a few weeks ago. I also liked the Doors "The End" song in the promo after that, almost as an homage to the subtle modeling Locke and blatant modeling of Flocke after Kurtz.[/QUOTE]

AT&T has been using that song in their ads.
 
Why did Ben kill Widmore? When Ben visited him in the hotel in season 4, Widmore asked if Ben was there to kill him. Ben replied, "We both know I can't do that". So what changed?
 
Haha - I *thought* I heard that, but then I was like naw, no way!

[quote name='crunchb3rry']Lol, Sawyer actually referred to MIB as "Flocke."

And to the Charlie and the Chocolate factory references, they used a song from the original movie in a promo a few weeks ago. I also liked the Doors "The End" song in the promo after that, almost as an homage to the subtle modeling Locke and blatant modeling of Flocke after Kurtz.[/QUOTE]
 
So last night was OK for me. Couple of things answered that were either obvious or didn't matter. Yes, we all knew Jack would be the candidate and we find out the Kwon on Jacobs wall was indeed Jin and not Sun.

Best moment:
When everyone could see Jacob and Hurley had his "wow I'm not crazy!" moment.

Worst Moment:
When young Jacob came to Hurley to lead him to old Jacob. Way to try and make last weeks crap seem relevant guys!

Most Obvious Moment:
Richard: "It's ok he won't hurt me, he wants me to join him!"... BOOM! Richard goes flying & dead (most likely)
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Why did Ben kill Widmore? When Ben visited him in the hotel in season 4, Widmore asked if Ben was there to kill him. Ben replied, "We both know I can't do that". So what changed?[/QUOTE]

well jacobs dead for one. we both know they worked for him, so it may have been something that jacob arranged when ben exiled widmore.

i actually really liked last nights episode. i think they set the finale up very well (all things considered). i cant wait to see what desmond does because his third eye is open and hes getting all the losties in the alternate universe together. its gotta be something big.
 
When did Sawyer say, "Flocke"? I rewound the show several times due to thinking I heard certain things, but I never noticed that. Oh, and Richard is not dead.

Overall, I really liked the episode, just like almost all of this season. Things are really starting to come together.
 
Flocke: Yo Ben, you kill everyone, I'll let you have the island all to yourself.
*3 minutes later*
Widmore:*whisper* Psst, I have this dude named Desmond
*10 minutes later*
Flocke: Guess what Ben? Imma blow this island to kingdom come!

Don't get me wrong; I mean I still like the show, but there are some weird...inconsistencies...within episodes.
 
Not really an inconsistency I would say - just Flocke changing his plan now that he has new info. Now it's dumb to tell that to Ben because that just gave Ben his incentive to jump to the other side... of course Ben may already be on the other side because I still cant #$^&$&* figure out if he's a good guy or bad guy :lol:.

[quote name='moojuice']Flocke: Yo Ben, you kill everyone, I'll let you have the island all to yourself.
*3 minutes later*
Widmore:*whisper* Psst, I have this dude named Desmond
*10 minutes later*
Flocke: Guess what Ben? Imma blow this island to kingdom come!

Don't get me wrong; I mean I still like the show, but there are some weird...inconsistencies...within episodes.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Lol, Sawyer actually referred to MIB as "Flocke."

And to the Charlie and the Chocolate factory references, they used a song from the original movie in a promo a few weeks ago. I also liked the Doors "The End" song in the promo after that, almost as an homage to the subtle modeling Locke and blatant modeling of Flocke after Kurtz.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure Sawyer just said "if Locke" and it ran together and sounded like Flocke. Darlton has been pretty insistent about telling fans to still call him Locke.
 
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it is true that Kate is the worst person to have ever have lived... i wish they killed her off 2 episodes ago.
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Entertaining episode, but didn't do a lot to up my hopes that I'll be satisfied with the ending.

Was quite annoyed to see Widmore killed so quickly, so we'll never get any answers on his motivations, more about his exile etc.

Otherwise, it was just a set up episode. Would have been great if it was 3 or 4 episodes before the finale, rather than the last episode before. As it is, seems like there is too much to wrap up on a 2.5 hour finale. But we'll see, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.


[quote name='CouRageouS']Just watched it. So he's going to throw Desmond in the hole to make things go boom? But then it'll somehow backfire and putting Desmond in there will somehow result n a happy ending. Calling it now... Desmond + Light hole = everythings magically okay!

Also if everyone didn't already think it was going to be Jack then you're insane.[/QUOTE]


I think it's more likely that throwing Desmond in there would destroy the island.

Other further out their possibility I see is he goes in there and becomes the new smoke monster--and show ends with him and Jack ("brothers") sitting on the beach.

Though my guess is that neither of those happens.

[quote name='RAMSTORIA']well jacobs dead for one. we both know they worked for him, so it may have been something that jacob arranged when ben exiled widmore.
[/QUOTE]


But it seems that Ben never had contact with Jacob. He said as much in the past, and then again tonight when saying the monster was summoning him rather than he summoning the monster. Seemed pretty clear that it was always the MiB in the cabin, not Jacob.

So likely that the MiB had a lot to do with Widmore's exile. But alas the killed Widmore off, so we'll never get answers on that. :bomb:
 
Do we know for what purpose Widmore was testing Desmond? If his magneticness could destroy the island, why would Widmore keep him around? Unless he can also save the island some other way?
 
Throwing Desmond into the hole would presumably make him the new smoke monster, no? That's the only outcome we've seen of anyone going into the hole. Watch Locke toss Desmond into the hole only to lose all of his powers and be cripped ol' Locke again.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Do we know for what purpose Widmore was testing Desmond? If his magneticness could destroy the island, why would Widmore keep him around? Unless he can also save the island some other way?[/QUOTE]

It seemed pretty clear that Desmond is the failsafe. The last resort. Destroy the island to save the world by keeping smokey from leaving by presumably killing him in the destruction.


[quote name='JJSP']Throwing Desmond into the hole would presumably make him the new smoke monster, no? That's the only outcome we've seen of anyone going into the hole. Watch Locke toss Desmond into the hole only to lose all of his powers and be cripped ol' Locke again.[/QUOTE]

Well Locke is dead, and his body is on the island, it's just the smoke monster assuming his form. So if anything it would just destroy the smoke monster. Locke isn't coming back as they've made clear that dead is dead--at least on the island world.

The alternate world is a different matter, maybe that will continue on as it's some kind of parallel universe ala Stephen King's Dark Tower series.
 
[quote name='moojuice']Flocke: Yo Ben, you kill everyone, I'll let you have the island all to yourself.
*3 minutes later*
Widmore:*whisper* Psst, I have this dude named Desmond
*10 minutes later*
Flocke: Guess what Ben? Imma blow this island to kingdom come!

Don't get me wrong; I mean I still like the show, but there are some weird...inconsistencies...within episodes.[/QUOTE]

Assuming Widmore told Flocke that Desmond could detroy the island, Flocke thought that since he was leaving anyway, he might as well blow the island up as a final fuck you.

[quote name='Pookymeister']Do we know for what purpose Widmore was testing Desmond? If his magneticness could destroy the island, why would Widmore keep him around? Unless he can also save the island some other way?[/QUOTE]

Desmond is a "fail-safe". Widmore, acting on instruction from Jacob, would rather destroy the island than let Flock leave.

My feeling is that Desmond's abilities would allow him to survive being thrown into the light (unlike MIB). What that means or what it transforms Desmond into, is anyone's guess.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Do we know for what purpose Widmore was testing Desmond? If his magneticness could destroy the island, why would Widmore keep him around? Unless he can also save the island some other way?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='dmaul1114']Other further out their possibility I see is he goes in there and becomes the new smoke monster--and show ends with him and Jack ("brothers") sitting on the beach.[/QUOTE]

I think the prior question combined with the latter hypothesis makes some bit of sense.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Do we know for what purpose Widmore was testing Desmond? If his magneticness could destroy the island, why would Widmore keep him around? Unless he can also save the island some other way?[/QUOTE]

desmond, for whatever reason, seems to be "immune" from the island so hes probably able to do something that nobody else can do, and im guessing well see that something next week.
 
I thought the alternate universe moment where they all met up and Ana Lucia was their driver was a nice touch. It would seem to hint that AU Hurley now has all the memories of regular Hurley.

Its interesting that the alternate universe Losties are able to tap into memories of Lost prime BUT Lost prime people have almost no practical knowledge of the alternate universe (aside from Jack mentioning at the beginning of the season "I think we did blow up the island...").

For the first time since the AU started, I'm actually starting to get interested in their goings-on.
 
I like Jacob when he told kate she was a canidate and the names in the Cave were just chalk.

It felt like the writers were talking to the audience that sometimes things are really simple and don't read into stuff so much. I have a feeling there is no magic potion to make you the guardian of the island. That the wine Jacob had from his mom and the water Jack had is just snake oil.

And that if you want to protect the island you just live on it keeping people away from the light.
 
The reasoning for Kate having her name crossed off did not make a lot of sense to me. Why was Kwon not crossed off then if all the critera was that you should not have an attachment?

Also, the way Widmore was killed was really lame. This guy was a major player until the Jacob/MIB story happened, yet they have him just kinda die like that? WTF!?
 
In my mind this makes sense: Widmore had to die. Ben was trying to figure out why he was there and Widmore had not intention of telling him. So by killing him as he was whispering to Locke, Miles is now able to hear Widmores last thoughts via the walkie talkie and get to the well to remove Desmond before Locke got there.

I also have a theory that in the other world Desmond is now the man in black. Maybe he died in the car crash with Charlie and now is like Locke in the other world. In the later episodes he goes around in all black (like Jacob's brother). His goal is to gather all of the candidates together (Like Locke did with the sub). He met with Penny after the accident and we haven't seen her since. Maybe he is keeping her separate from all of this because he gave Widmore his word he wouldn't hurt her.

I could be grasping at straws here....
 
[quote name='E_G_Man']In my mind this makes sense: Widmore had to die. Ben was trying to figure out why he was there and Widmore had not intention of telling him. So by killing him as he was whispering to Locke, Miles is now able to hear Widmores last thoughts via the walkie talkie and get to the well to remove Desmond before Locke got there.

I also have a theory that in the other world Desmond is now the man in black. Maybe he died in the car crash with Charlie and now is like Locke in the other world. In the later episodes he goes around in all black (like Jacob's brother). His goal is to gather all of the candidates together (Like Locke did with the sub). He met with Penny after the accident and we haven't seen her since. Maybe he is keeping her separate from all of this because he gave Widmore his word he wouldn't hurt her.

I could be grasping at straws here....[/QUOTE]


You sir are correct. I bet Miles saved Desmond. I dont know about Dez being the MIB... but then again, i'm a massive Desmond fanboy.
 
I am just now catching up on this entire season and just finished The Candidate. The only thing I can say is that some of these characters deserves much better death scenes.

Its reminding me of a saturday morning cartoon, dropping anvils on people, off screen explosions......these people have been here since the beginning and thats all they get? Also, why cant Kate just die, she hasnt been interesting since the 2nd season, kill off all the cool people yet she only gets a bullet in the shoulder. Lame.
 
[quote name='KingDox']I like Jacob when he told kate she was a canidate and the names in the Cave were just chalk.

It felt like the writers were talking to the audience that sometimes things are really simple and don't read into stuff so much. [/QUOTE]

i agree, i like that part of the scene.

[quote name='Ryukahn']The reasoning for Kate having her name crossed off did not make a lot of sense to me. Why was Kwon not crossed off then if all the critera was that you should not have an attachment?
[/QUOTE]

well they made a big deal about which kwon was the one still on the wall, you could argue that it was jin, as he never got off the island to move on with his life like kate did and died before he had a chance to be crossed off or move on.
 
Finally caught up with the help of hulu.
Thx god the posted the whole season.
Now Im all caught up for the finale.

Ok I know this may sound like a stupid question and I must have missed it but what is smokies real name?
 
[quote name='adriley313']Ok I know this may sound like a stupid question and I must have missed it but what is smokies real name?[/QUOTE]

Nobody knows. It's a question that needs an answer that we'll never get.
 
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