LOST - The Final Season - LOST Auction Aug 21-22 (Post 1439)

[quote name='tcrash247']I just watched it, I hated it. I don't give a shit about the journey to the afterlife. The alternate universe made absolutely no difference to the entire series. It was just tacked on to this season so they could get away with not answering any questions by pulling people into the alternate universe so they'd forget about all the mysteries of the island. I guess it worked.[/QUOTE]

I didn't hate the finale, but I feel much the same. I liked the moments of reunion between characters, but at the same time, there is no doubt that the writers/producers/director, etc. were fully invested in making this "about the characters" (as they STRESSED time and time again during the interview in the two hour special leading up to the finale) because they themselves had no answers to provide about all the mysteries and inconsistencies presented during the series run. So I think anyone who says the finale was perfect or almost perfect is fooling themselves. I guarantee there will be discussions in the future why this show will go down as overrated and many of us will scratch our heads at why we didn't bat an eye at all the goofy things that were put on us in its final few seasons. I'm a fan of Lost, and I enjoyed it more than any other television show this season, but that doesn't mean I give those involved a free pass. There was a lot of creativity involved getting Lost started. The ideas at the end however, just seemed to come out of someone's ass.

So, we're left with knowing that the most important thing about the island was a cork. The joke's on us.
 
sort of a stupid question but how do we know that locke (smoke monster ) was really dead?

they moved that rock making locke and jack mortal again... but when jack put the rock (stone) it would of resat them to being immoral... Jack died cause he pushed the job to other dude.... locke never gave up his spot so if locke was just injured couldnt the island heal him back to health
 
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[quote name='evanft']So, what were everyone's favorite episodes of the series? Many of the season finales were great, but I LOVED The Constant and Ab Aeterno. I'll have to look them up again to remind me, but those 2 stick in my mind as two of the best.[/QUOTE]

far too many...

pilot
walkabout
sos
man from tallahassee
through the lookings glass
the constant
shape of things to come
lafleur
ab aeterno
what they died for
the end
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']
But personally, I find that to be boring, and I find many of dmaul's suggestions for how things could have been explained (Jacob having a dialogue of "Well...my brother turned into a smoke monster because he was evil and the light rejected him" and "Hey guess what. The island is a barrier preventing hell from overtaking the entire planet!") cheesy and a bit patronizing.
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To be fair, I through those out there as better than nothing explanations, not that I thought those where the way to go. I'd prefer them have came up with a much better story for Jacob and MiB and the Island than some magic light etc.

Once you figure out that the MiB is evil, it's pretty straightforward.
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Problem is that Across the Sea didn't make him out to be evil. He was just a guy who had been raised by a woman who murdered his mother who wanted to get off the island and see what was out there.

The only "evil" thing he did was kill his mother--and that was right after she'd kill his people, destroyed the well/donkey wheel he was working on etc.

I don't know that that's more evil that Jacob throwing him down to the light source he'd just sworn to keep people away from.

I also found it amusing that dmaul seemed to find his own way to the conclusion of being a man of science vs a man of faith. Say what you want about the seasons not tying together in any logical way, but that one theme has been at the forefront of all six seasons. It's not surprising to me at all that it would find its way into the argument of how people view its ending.
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I do agree with that. They did a good job keeping that theme prevalent and did a great job with the character arcs throughout for the most part. I was mostly satisfied with the character reunions and etc.--didn't necessarily dig the uber religious angle being a man of science and long-time atheist. My biggest worry with the show starting with season 1 was that it would end up another religious alegory....but at least it wasn't christian specific.

But as I said, while I loved the characters, it was MUCH more the mythos and mystery that kept me watching as I've seldom got into character study show, movies or books--especially shows since they're a long-term time investment.

So I can't help but be let down by seeing all that tossed aside with the excuse that it's all about the characters. Fact is Cuse and Lindeloff are just hacks who threw shit at the wall to see what stuck as they had no idea where they were going with the island mythos. But knew they needed it to keep people watching as there was such a huge online community dedicated to looking for hints and scrutinizing every little thing. By Season 4 they had too much mythos to come up with a good way to tie it together, so they took the pussy way out of just ignoring much it, introducing a new mythos in the season 5 finale and saying it all was not important, as only the characters matter. :roll:

The more I think about it and the further I'm away from the emotional bias of seeing the character endings, the more I'm frustrated and let down by the show.

Definitely will never re-watch it and will avoid anything else Cuse and Lindeloff do like the plague--at least until it's wrapped up and gotten uniform great reviews from start to finish!

And if you look at the series as being specifically about Jack, and his journey as a character, he started out strictly as a man of science, but ultimately, did not find peace until he became a man of faith. And before people start with the anti-religion rants, it has nothing to do with religion. But moreso the belief that you don't have to be in control of every little thing all the time. As the show put it, he needed to let go.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='evanft']So, what were everyone's favorite episodes of the series? Many of the season finales were great, but I LOVED The Constant and Ab Aeterno. I'll have to look them up again to remind me, but those 2 stick in my mind as two of the best.[/QUOTE]

In no particular order (and not looking up the name for ones I can't remember).

The Constant

Through the Looking Glass (probably the best season finale I've ever seen)

Pilot

Walkabout

Sawyers Episode where he kills the wrong guy, meets Jack's Dad etc.

Season 4 Finale

Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham

Ab Aeterno

A few more I can't think of for sure, but those are the tops off the top of my head.
 
so dmaul, what part of the mythos would you like to see resolved? i mean is it the island, dharma, walt, all of the above? specifically, what answers are you looking for, im just curious.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']so dmaul, what part of the mythos would you like to see resolved? i mean is it the island, dharma, walt, all of the above? specifically, what answers are you looking for, im just curious.[/QUOTE]

All the above for the most part--I posted a list before but I'll rehash it again I guess with some questions I'd like to have seen dealt with in no particular order of priority etc.


The Island
-What is the island/light?
-Why is it electromagnetic?
-Who built the light chamber, the statue etc?
-How can it move through time and space via the donkey wheel?
-How does it grant immortality and special powers to the protector?
-How could it/why did it heal people like Locke (paralysis, gun shot) and Rose?
-Basically need more of an original story to the island to explain a bunch of the stuff

Characters

-Walt. Why was he special? The season 1 cliffhanger had him kidnapped because of his abilities, season 2 dealt with Michael going apeshit to get him back. Lame to never get any more on this.

-Aaron. More or less the same. Saying the psychic is a fraud is a cop out. He wouldn't have given back the money to Claire etc. if he was just a con artist. They set it up pretty clearly as a con artist who for once had a real vision, but then scrapped that idea.

Widmore--needed an origin story of how he got to the island and more on his feud with Linus which was the thrust of much of the last few seaons plot with him sending the mercenaries etc.

Hawking--neeeded a lot more on here given she seemed to be the only one that had all the answers. Implication is that she was the first to be like Desmond and have knowledge of the real world and the afterlife--but that's a big leap to make from the last episode and doesn't tie much into how she could find the island etc.


Dharma

-How did they find the island?
-How did a science team know there was a mystical island with properties to study?
-How did they get the sub on and off the island if not brought by Jacob--how did they get his bearing for the one way on and off?

-What was their purpose? Show says studying electromagnetic problems. But then why the brainwashing room etc.? Online mythos they put out tied it to the equation to the end of the world and related that to the numbers etc. But never on the show, so not cannon to me.

The others

-How did they get to the island? Were they past candidates?

-Why did they want Walt so bad, if he had no role to play whatsoever on the series?

-What's the deal with the cabin they visited? How did it move around? What's the deal with the broken ash (who broke it etc.)? Why could Hurley find it, if only certain people could as was implied?

-Dogen, Lennon etc.--more on the temple folk. If they were going to waste time introducing pointless characters to kill off in the final season, give us a reason to give a crap about them.

Final Season Mythos

-Some of these overlap with general island ones from above.

-Why'd the man in black turn into black smoke? He didn't really seem evil or a bad soul etc. from Across the Sea.

-Same token, why did nothing happen to Jack or Desmond? Jack died, but that seemed to be from the stab wound.

-What is the black smoke? What would really happen if he left? He seemed to just want to leave, why would that mean the end of the world? Again, Across the Sea killed the notion of him being "evil incarnate" for me.

-What was the plug really holding back? What would have happened if it wasn't put back? Just the island sinking (and if so who cares and why?) or bad news for the whole world?



Probably a few more I'm forgetting, but those are the central ones. And don't anyone waste time offering explanations for those!! I've seen plenty of those, I'm not interested in fan interpretations. I wanted explanations spelled out by the story tellers. Not the above which were totally ignored (Walt etc.), or given very weak/hollow explanations (what the light was, the cabin etc.) that leave too much up to the imagination for my liking.

Again I enjoy being told stories, and just don't like open ended, interpretive stuff. So to each their own on that. I'm glad some of you aren't bothered by it and are 100% satisfied with the series and can enjoy rewatching it etc.
 
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im at work right now, but when im off im going to try to tackle some of those.

i think that some of your questions, especially when it comes to dharma, have been partially answered during the lost ARG
 
re: Island mythology, I think they raised a lot of interesting concepts that had a lot of potential for big sci-fi payoff. Instead of going in those directions and pursuing questions further, LOST had a way of introducing new questions right up to the very end. The producers seemed to be proud of this, so proud that they had the Mother directly state the line about questions leading to more questions. In their way of thinking, I guess, non-stop ambiguity is the mark of high-filootin' literature.

Some very interesting, (at one time) very important, potentially-fun-sci-fi ideas I would have liked to know more about and would have liked to see tied into the Island and its events in more detail:

1. The healing powers of the Island vs. the failed pregnancies is a contradiction that always seemed like a good direction.

2. Also, the selectivity of the Others is now even more peculiar given that we know they were under Smokey's influence. We know there are "Rules," but why not kill anyone not protected by the Rules (which is to say all non-candidates)? This is one way of saying: Why Walt?

3. Another big one was the character of Christian and his overall role. I'm convinced Christian was changed up at the end to be Smokey and indirectly support the notion that Smokey led Ben by the nose. It works, but I feel like the producers had bigger designs for Christian that never came to be, so they just had Flocke say, "Oh, you saw your dad, Jack? It was me. CASE CLOSED." That felt really tossed off, because Christian was a compelling figure -- we saw visions of him on Island and off the Island in Jack's WEHAVETOGOBACKKATE phase. His presence in both places could have been due to any manner of cool device.

There's also the outrigger and all the funky time travel, but I can live without it. Again, I'm not asking for everything, I'm willing to accept a lot at face value. A donkey wheel puts you in Tunisia. A smoke monster on the Island. The presence of Egyptian remnants everywhere, especially the cork, making it seem as though they were the ur-guardians of the place. So much of the Dharma stuff with the bunnies and the Clockwork Orange room.

Again, most of this is material raised to divert the viewer from one question to a new one. I "get" why they did this, and I don't hold the producers accountable for every damn little piece.

[I understand where it was going: On Island, Jacob brought these folks -- probably Dharma, too -- to help him with his Smokey problem. The Others fell under Smokey's control through a misunderstanding on Ben's part, and as a result they were unwittingly doing Smokey's bidding. The good v. evil thing escalates to the events of the finale. Off Island, some force in the universe binds us through "constants," etc. and judges us as ready or not ready for some other plane where our souls frolic as one.]

What has bugged me is the insistence of the producers and some viewers that this was all to plan and that the Big Idea material that drove the show in its middle seasons was dispensable/arbitrary in the sense that whatever it was, it got everyone in the same room in the finale.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']im at work right now, but when im off im going to try to tackle some of those.

i think that some of your questions, especially when it comes to dharma, have been partially answered during the lost ARG[/QUOTE]

Like I said, don't bother.

Some have been partially answered--but were to vague for my liking etc.

It's all just opinion. Some are fine with how some of these things were "answered". I'm not and thus I'm let down. No pointing out of "answers" will change my mind as I've read and discussed all interpretations ad nauseum over the years. And have no desire to waste more of my life arguing over them and whether the "answers" were sufficient. And I said I don't care about the ARG--it all should have been dealt with in the show.

I like stuff spelled out clearly, others are fine with vagueness and hollow answers.
 
Well, the thing is, dmaul's list is so extensive, there's no way those things could be answered in a satisfactory manner with a quick blurb or some dialogue just thrown in. It kinda seems like what he was wanting was for the series to go in a completely different direction 3 years ago. I mean, telling you what the island is, why it has powers, who built the things on it, that's like an entire season's worth of explaining. Even if they had given us an episode strictly devoted to the island's creation or the "original inhabitants" and their culture, it would have raised a billion more questions. People would have wanted to know more about them, and it would have felt out of place or forced covering all of that in one or two episodes.

So, I kinda have to think that dmaul just wanted a different show...or maybe a longer show. I mean, looking at his list, it's a pretty good overview of all the things they threw at us over the years. I don't think it was so much "throwing things at the wall to see what sticks", but LOST built this reputation of "oh shit!" moments and steering you in one direction just to jerk you back the other way.

As others have said, there were a lot of things that they apparently never had any intention of explaining. And that can be frustrating, but it's part of the ride, and could have been used to throw us "off the scent" considering the actual ending was VERY similar to what people had been speculating since season one. To thoroughly explain everything that they had thrown at us and everything dmaul had an interest in, we would have needed another 6 seasons, lol.

I can understand people being let down, but I never really got the impression that we were going to get a "Thousands of years ago, a wizard banished an evil spirit to an island that no one could find..." story. I always thought it was about the characters. I said awhile back that it was starting to remind me of What Dreams May Come, and the finale really did.

It was like they had to realize they were dead before they could recognize each other. I'm somewhat in the camp that wishes the things on the island were also in the afterlife because it would make them more plausible, but I can suspend my disbelief and accept that the island was just "magical". I still found their suggestion of what the afterlife could be like fascinating.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
Copy/paste from running journal?[/QUOTE]

Good lord.... are you like this with every show, how do you even watch a show...

Why don't you pre-order the Lost Encyclopedia from Amazon and stop wasting your time here :booty:

Some of those would be nice... but then if you know what/how/why, wouldn't that lose some of the 'magic' involved?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Well, the thing is, dmaul's list is so extensive, there's no way those things could be answered in a satisfactory manner with a quick blurb or some dialogue just thrown in. It kinda seems like what he was wanting was for the series to go in a completely different direction 3 years ago. [/QUOTE]


Yeah, that's really it. I'm just not happy with the direction the show went for seasons 4-6 as a whole.

Some of it was good--spending time in Dharma was a way to explain all the bases on the island etc. Just unfortunately left questions I'd still have liked full clarification (and on the show not the ARG!).

Other was a waste with spending a season on Widmore's goons trying to get Ben, part of a season jumping through time etc.

The Jacob/MiB stuff was ok, but just didn't go a direction I liked. Would have been much better to tie that in to the origin of the island power etc. rather than just two dip shit brothers raised by a crazy island guardian who murdered their mother.

And they got away from the character development of Seasons 1-3 in the latter seasons. It was really focused on moving plot forward, and I didn't like where the plot went, so that sucked for me as well.

But again, everyone's experience with the show is different. I'm glad many of you fully enjoyed it from start to finish and are satisfied with the ending.
 
[quote name='xycury']Good lord.... are you like this with every show, how do you even watch a show...
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No running journal. Just off the top of my head.

But be fair to us mythos guys. The writers said repeatedly that everything that happened mattered and that fans should be paying attention to little details etc.

Other shows you just watch--many I watch paying half attention to while goofing online etc. This show we were encouraged to pay attention and scrutinize things--both by the intrigue of the show itself, and by comments from the producers.

So Lost was a show that for many of us was all about the mythos and looking for clues, following theories people posted online etc. And the writers knew that was a big appeal of the show and really played it up to the online community.

Anyway, as I said in the TV Finale thread, I'm done with watching serial TV shows live as it just ends up feeling like wasted effort if it gets canceled, or goes in a direction that leaves you unsatisfied.

I may watch some on DVD etc. after their run is over if friends say it's great from start to finish etc. Otherwise, I'll stick with movies which I've always strongly preferred to TV shows anyway. Less time squandered if they end up meh in the end.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Even if they had given us an episode strictly devoted to the island's creation or the "original inhabitants" and their culture, it would have raised a billion more questions. People would have wanted to know more about them, and it would have felt out of place or forced covering all of that in one or two episodes.[/QUOTE]

Taking your quote out of context but wanted to point out that the show actually told us that.

Across the Sea episode I think, origin of the two brothers.. the fake mother told the real mother just that... "Answering your questions would raise more questions."

I understand they can't explain everthing, and if they tried, it would be as retarded as the Lost for Retards recap episode with the bottom filler telling you the dumbest things.
 
[quote name='xycury']T
I understand they can't explain everthing, and if they tried, it would be as retarded as the Lost for Retards recap episode with the bottom filler telling you the dumbest things.[/QUOTE]

It would have been at this late point in the run for sure. The problem is they:

1. Should have never threw so many mysteries out there, so they didn't get stuck with too many questions to answer/plot threads to tie together.

2. Answered questions as they went. Dealt with why Walt was done with, why the island didn't need him way back in season 3 or something etc. Not let it all pile up to where there was no way they could deal with it in a satisfactory manner in the final season.

But both are consequences of them having no idea what they were doing with the island plot for the first 3 years, and really not seeming to figure that out even these last 3 years.

I think they really wanted to go with the "they're all dead and in purgatory" idea, but everyone guessed that back in season 1 and said it was stupid. So they shot that down and then scrambled to go another direction, but ended up back with purgatory as the ending--but with the Island stuff having been real--but largely unexplained because they say it was all about the characters.


Again, glad so many of you loved it the whole way through. Wish I felt the same as it was a great ride until the final season which really only had two episodes I really loved (Ab Aeterno and Desmond's).
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']No running journal. Just off the top of my head.

But be fair to us mythos guys. The writers said repeatedly that everything that happened mattered and that fans should be paying attention to little details etc.

Other shows you just watch--many I watch paying half attention to while goofing online etc. This show we were encouraged to pay attention and scrutinize things--both by the intrigue of the show itself, and by comments from the producers.

So Lost was a show that for many of us was all about the mythos and looking for clues, following theories people posted online etc. And the writers knew that was a big appeal of the show and really played it up to the online community.

Anyway, as I said in the TV Finale thread, I'm done with watching serial TV shows live as it just ends up feeling like wasted effort if it gets canceled, or goes in a direction that leaves you unsatisfied.

I may watch some on DVD etc. after their run is over if friends say it's great from start to finish etc. Otherwise, I'll stick with movies which I've always strongly preferred to TV shows anyway. Less time squandered if they end up meh in the end.[/QUOTE]

I'm in the same boat you are in that shows will not get my attention till they are proven good.

I probably would watch Lost if I never picked it up with the wife, but unlike you I don't follow the "tiny details" they promised, I just turned off the show when it was off.

I got burned by FlashForward getting canceled and that was an OK filler.. nothing grand but I liked the science in it....

On a tanget.. what the fuck is up with cop shows... fuck...

ABC has like 3-4 new shows all cops... even FF had cops (FBI) but it was a bit more not cop like... and V (FBI) too but again, not the focus of it.

I fucking hate cop shows.... Life on Mars was tollerable...yet the tards at ABC also cancled that. Castle is good only because of Fillon...
 
Well, yeah. That's why I said, if they were to do it, it would have needed a huge investment of time, and it was something they should have started 2-3 years ago. I guess they could have done that instead of wasting time with the time travel, Widmore mercenaries, etc. but again...they had to keep the show exciting. Not sure how many people would have tuned in for a weekly history lesson. It is what it is.
 
Favorite episodes?

In no particular order:

Pilot
The End
Exodus
Through the Looking Glass
Greatest Hits
Deus Ex Machina
Walkabout
There's No Place Like Home
Three Minutes
Tricia Tanaka is Dead
The Last Recruit/The Candidate
The Man From Tallahasse
The Man Behind the Curtain
The Brig

I could go on.
 
[quote name='xycury']I
On a tanget.. what the fuck is up with cop shows... fuck...

ABC has like 3-4 new shows all cops... even FF had cops (FBI) but it was a bit more not cop like... and V (FBI) too but again, not the focus of it.

I fucking hate cop shows.... [/QUOTE]

Agreed. I'm a CJ prof and do policing research, so I just can't stand watching cop/crime shows anymore as I don't want to think about that crap during my free time!

[quote name='n8rockerasu']Well, yeah. That's why I said, if they were to do it, it would have needed a huge investment of time, and it was something they should have started 2-3 years ago. I guess they could have done that instead of wasting time with the time travel, Widmore mercenaries, etc. but again...they had to keep the show exciting. Not sure how many people would have tuned in for a weekly history lesson. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]

It didn't have to be a history lesson. They could have got to the Jacob/MiB thing much sooner and just focused on the Island--not time travel, the mercernaries etc.

Ratings were highest in the first 3 seasons when they were focused on the Island and the characters. So people didn't find it boring. They could have kept the focus on the island stuff and gradually answering questions as they went.

As is, the time travel and mercernary stuff had nothing directly to do with the main Jacob/MiB plot anyway, so they just wasted time in seasons 4 and 5 as apparently they still didn't know what they hell they wanted to do with the Island plot.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, that's really it. I'm just not happy with the direction the show went for seasons 4-6 as a whole.

Some of it was good--spending time in Dharma was a way to explain all the bases on the island etc. Just unfortunately left questions I'd still have liked full clarification (and on the show not the ARG!).

Other was a waste with spending a season on Widmore's goons trying to get Ben, part of a season jumping through time etc.

The Jacob/MiB stuff was ok, but just didn't go a direction I liked. Would have been much better to tie that in to the origin of the island power etc. rather than just two dip shit brothers raised by a crazy island guardian who murdered their mother.[/QUOTE]

Thinking about the series as a whole, for me it is almost like one big GOTCHA! Also, I wish I had listened to myself years ago when I thought leaving the island wasn't going to be a positive for the show, at least as far as my interest was concerned.
 
You forgot The Constant, prob my favorite of them all[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']Favorite episodes?

In no particular order:

Pilot
The End
Exodus
Through the Looking Glass
Greatest Hits
Deus Ex Machina
Walkabout
There's No Place Like Home
Three Minutes
Tricia Tanaka is Dead
The Last Recruit/The Candidate
The Man From Tallahasse
The Man Behind the Curtain
The Brig

I could go on.[/QUOTE]
 
The problem with Lost is early on, we got so conditioned to ask questions and look for deeper meaning that when they start giving out answers; Some people still questioned everything.

So now they whine about "not getting answers".
 
[quote name='usickenme']The problem with Lost is early on, we got so conditioned to ask questions and look for deeper meaning that when they start giving out answers; Some people still questioned everything.

So now they whine about "not getting answers".[/QUOTE]

That's not it at all. It's that they didn't really answer most of what I listed.

They did answer some stuff--like explaining what the whispers were etc.

The stuff I listed is stuff that didn't get answered at all (Walt), or only got fleshed out some in the online ARG (some of the Dharma and numbers stuff) etc.


But I do think it's really the man of science vs. main of faith thing on whether people are happy or not--at least partly.

If you're a main of faith, you're more willing to accept that things just are. If you believe there's a supreme being that created everything, you probably have an easier time just believing the Island is some magical place that must be protected, and be able to accept that and all the other stuff without questioning.

If you're a man of science like me who thinks all spirtual mumbo jumbo is a bunch of horseshit, and don't accept anything that can't be proven with science, facts and evidence--then it all falls pretty hollow.


I also think our earlier discussion in the thread of whether one was more into the characters or the Island mythos has a lot to do with how one feels about the wrap up as well. It was a nice tie up for the character arcs, so if you mainly watched for the characters and only partly cared about the mythos, then it was probably a satisfying ending. If you're like me and watched probably in equal measure for both--maybe a bit more for the mythos--then it's at best half satisfying.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']fuck The Constant. Yeah, I said it.[/QUOTE]

It's overrated. The Des/Pen convo is amazing, but half of the episode is just Des running around yelling WHO ARE YOU WHO AM I WHAT IS A BOAT
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Outstanding!

Really shows how much shit they threw out there and never dealt with.[/QUOTE]

To be fair some of it was explained and most of it doesn't really matter.

My biggest issues with the unanswered questions dealt with Walt. He was clearly something special and then he just grew up =/
 
Yeah, I will concede that a lot of what they listed was stuff even I didn't really care about getting answered. And some of it was answered or at least got some crappy, vague explanation. I listed all I care about a few posts back--and even some of that list I could get by without.

But none the less, it does show how much crap they just threw at the wall through out the series.

They new the mystery kept ratings up as much or more than the characters (plenty of character drama shows fail every year), so they kept tossing shit out there and telling people to pay attention to keep ratings up and eventually dug a hole of mysteries they would never be able to answer and just said screw it.

And that's giving them some credit, vs. just assuming that they long ago decided that they'd never answer any of this crap and just keep tossing it out there to keep people watching their character drama.
 
I've watched the Lost series finale 5 times, and I've cried every time. I'm man enough to admit it, damn it. I spent years of my life watching those characters develop and their story unfold, and it was the greatest story ever told as far as I'm concerned, and I've read a lot of good books. The ending was sheer brilliance. I can't wait to re-watch the entire series for the umpteenth time.
 
I think Lost's final twist is that the whole series was never about the island or the mysteries or the sci-fi elements, it was about the people.

That's what I'm taking from it.
 
[quote name='evanft']So, what were everyone's favorite episodes of the series? Many of the season finales were great, but I LOVED The Constant and Ab Aeterno. I'll have to look them up again to remind me, but those 2 stick in my mind as two of the best.[/QUOTE]

The Constant and the episode where Jin gets blown up on the boat.
 
I really liked the part when they had Linus as a prisoner and Syed was interrogating him (beating the shit out of him), and when the show is trying to imply that Linus really isn't an Other and that Syed made a mistake, you hear from Syed --

"Do you want to know how I know he's one of them? Because I didn't feel guilty after hurting him."

Or at least something along those lines. Anyways, it's when he became my favorite character and when Jack became my most hated.
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']It's overrated. The Des/Pen convo is amazing, but half of the episode is just Des running around yelling WHO ARE YOU WHO AM I WHAT IS A BOAT[/QUOTE]


:O get outta here
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I've watched the Lost series finale 5 times, and I've cried every time. I'm man enough to admit it, damn it. I spent years of my life watching those characters develop and their story unfold, and it was the greatest story ever told as far as I'm concerned, and I've read a lot of good books. The ending was sheer brilliance. I can't wait to re-watch the entire series for the umpteenth time.[/QUOTE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTNyKIGXiI
 
[quote name='SeanAmI']Everyone died at different times, Christian even says so at the end. People need to listen.[/QUOTE]

Actually he said something like "everyone dies, some before you, and some long after you."

This is a pretty broad statement, and can easily be taken to mean he wasn't just talking about the people on the island. You chose to think he was just talking about them specifically, but it can easily be seen a different way with the wording.
 
[quote name='Fearbeard']Actually he said something like "everyone dies, some before you, and some long after you."

[/QUOTE]

yeah, and in the final scene were people that died before him like charlie, sun, jin, shannon, boone, sayid and locke, and people that died after him, like everyone else.
 
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