Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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Still pretty even, if you wanted to make it really even the Redskins could throw in a low draft pick. Either way, doesn't seem lopsided.
 
[quote name='staticz']Torian is more of a 'bruiser' right? The potentials don't match but I think the trade makes sense. All 4 players appear to be opposites of each other so it looks like a play style move to me.[/QUOTE]

excellent analysis of the trade :applause:
 
[quote name='staticz']Torian is more of a 'bruiser' right? The potentials don't match but I think the trade makes sense. All 4 players appear to be opposites of each other so it looks like a play style move to me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, seems reasonable.

I'll take a closer look at the deal in the morning, but at first blush it looks alright.
 
I would hardly call the players anywhere near opposites...to address the running back situation first: Jonathan Stewart is a very similar back to Torain but is significantly better. Stewart is a bruiser as well but has the bonus of being a fairly solid speed back...I guess you could call him a hybrid. Just to compare in the "bruiser" department --> Stewart: 93 trucking, 92 stiff arm, 78 strength VS. Torain: 90 trucking, 89 stiff arm, 78 strength. On top of that...Stewart has 90 speed vs. Torain's 86 speed; and Stewart has 87 juking vs. Torain's 70 juking...the rest of their stats can be considered negligible since they're basically only off by a few points...but just in case anyone is curious, Stewart is better in literally EVERY single HB attribute (and all catching attributes) aside from being 1 point less in acceleration (86/87) and 1 point less in carry rating (90/91). They're both the same age and Stewart is an A potential vs. Torain's B potential...so the gap between these two backs will only get bigger as time goes on.

A fairly huge note to consider though...Torain has a ridiculous injury rating of a 49. It's almost guaranteed that Torain will suffer an injury at some point in the season if he's being utilized at all. Not to mention...Torain is indeed a bruiser, so his carries will most likely consist of running strong up the middle, so he's likely to meet a hulked out linebacker or 300-pound d-lineman straight on for most runs...rather than a speed back who might run to the outside and get tackled by a smaller CB or safety or not get tackled at all like Jamaal Charles and his 90 yard TD runs.

Moving on to the linebackers...those two are certainly different so I can see how a user's play-style can come into consideration here. Dan Connor is rather sluggish but a good tackler and will certainly make some plays against the run. McIntosh is a fairly speedy linebacker and also has some solid coverage skills...so he can make plays in both the passing game and the running game. As these two linebackers stand right now, I'd definitely consider McIntosh the more complete player and just better overall, but considering age/potential...I'm not so sure I'd take McIntosh over Connor (a personal choice). If he's 28 and only a B potential, he's almost certainly going to decline next season (his speed will probably take a hit too). This isn't a huge deal at all though...like it was stated before, it's just a matter of preference.

Just curious though Deuce...you have arguably the best linebacker trio in the entire league (ok ok aside from the Steelers...), are you doing this move for depth or are you planning on running a 3-4 defense? Cause I couldn't justify downgrading that much at RB just to add a linebacker for depth. I know you have DeAngelo...but Stewart is still a pretty valuable trading chip and is a darn good back-up, not to mention he'd most likely overtake Williams as your #1 back after maybe 2-3 seasons.

Well, those are my thoughts...I have a lot of free time these days so I actually sat at my computer and compared everyone's attributes, then spent like 30 minutes typing this shiz up!! Just to officially state though...I DO approve of the trade, I definitely think it's favoring the Redskins a good bit, but it's not enough to object to it. I just wanted to clear a couple things up...one being that Stewart and Torain are different types of backs. The only difference between the two is that Stewart is better...plain and simple. I don't know if people just don't know much about Jonathan Stewart...but he is a BEAST!! You all need to watch some more Panthers games!

And not to throw Deuce under the bus or anything...but we do have to keep in mind that he already mentioned he has to leave for the military probably after the first season. I'm not saying by any means that we should ban him from making trades or anything...I'm just suggesting we spend a little extra consideration on the trades he makes so the next Panthers' owner doesn't feel cheated in any way when he takes over the team. I'd feel a little better if a draft pick was thrown in by the Redskins...I would say a 3rd round pick in my personal opinion, but people can discuss what they think.

I just want to re-iterate (in case people just skimmed through my stupidly long post) that Torain has a freaking 49 INJURY RATING!!!! That is all...have a good day friends.
 
the real trade is Stewart for McIntosh... Stewart had been shopped since before the game hit stands and nobody wanted him. Moving him now leaves me with two speed backs so Torain replaces the power back for short yardage situations. He won't see very many touches. Connor is a very good LB but he's slow. With the lack of talent I have at CB, my LBs end up in coverage a lot. Mcintosh gives me a significant upgrade in speed at the 2nd MLB spot (I do use the 3-4) so it frees up my scheme with Beason not having to be the coverage guy all the time. I don't leave until valentine's day so I could conceivably be around for multiple seasons depending on how fast we move. once gone tho, I won't be back until june/july so I'd hope to pick up the Panthers in Madden 13
 
and a 3rd from the Skins was discussed in the event the trade was deemed unbalanced so for any who object, thats the next step
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']The Great American Madden Trade Proposal Dissertation[/QUOTE]

:applause:

Although now I'm almost scared to make a trade for fear it gets the same treatment.
 
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In order to make it easier for ubernes and I to keep up with the thread, we've made the OP a wiki so that we can both edit it. Nobody else should touch the OP of the thread without express written consent from the NFL ubernes or myself. We'll know if you do, since it has an edit history. Thanks! ;)
 
Games Left
Colts vs Bengals (scheduled for 7pm or earlier)
Jaguars vs Steelers (if Zurezo is still MIA will need a sub for 2pm EST. I have off today so I can do it if need be)
Packers vs Rams (haven't heard much from either)
Browns vs Raiders (might need a sub from Ultimate Matt as he seems to be MIA as well)

I plan to advance us around 8-9pm EST tonight.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']TRADE ALERT:

Panthers trade HB Johnathan Stewart (81 OVR, A, 24 yrs old) and MLB Dan Connor (80 OVR, A, 25 yrs old)

Redskins trade MLB Rocky McIntosh (81 OVR, B, 28yrs old) and HB Ryan Torain (76 OVR, B, 24 yrs old)[/QUOTE]

I have no issue with this fwiw.
 
[quote name='ubernes']
I plan to advance us around 8-9pm EST tonight.[/QUOTE]

I believe I still have the commish baton. I'll log on and pass it back over to you when I get home from work.
 
[quote name='Man2008']I thought it was a pretty even trade cuz stewart speed isu 90 torian is 86 and mcIntosh
81 and conner is 74[/QUOTE]

Well there's more to player ratings than just speed (but don't tell Al Davis, RIP). ;)

Anyway, since ubernes is fine with it: Trade Approved.

I'll add it to the OP now, go ahead and make the swap in-game.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Although now I'm almost scared to make a trade for fear it gets the same treatment.[/QUOTE]

I actually like having to dissect the trade... kinda eliminates making trades for the sake of trading and trading on name recognition alone
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']I actually like having to dissect the trade... kinda eliminates making trades for the sake of trading and trading on name recognition alone[/QUOTE]

I was joking, obviously. ;)
 
If anyone wants to scrim today let me know. Like I said, I have off and I could use the practice. I'll be around most of the day though I'm going to try to get some errands done at some point.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Games Left
Jaguars vs Steelers (if Zurezo is still MIA will need a sub for 2pm EST. I have off today so I can do it if need be)
.[/QUOTE]

He sent me a PM late last night asking for my availability, but I haven't heard back yet to see if it jives.
 
[quote name='jza1218']He sent me a PM late last night asking for my availability, but I haven't heard back yet to see if it jives.[/QUOTE]

Let me know. If no one else is around, I can do my best Steelers impersonation at 2pm.
 
I edited the post since he PM'ed me last night and I just saw it and responded. Hopefully he can play today. I suggested playing around 6 P.M. Eastern.
 
It's a little sad that when there's a slow day at work I get disappointed that there isn't more action going on in the league. Someone make a controversially lopsided trade, quick! :lol:
 
[quote name='Matt Young'] I suggested playing around 6 P.M. Eastern.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='lyric706']Hey Matt: I probably can't do it until later in the evening. Maybe 11 p.m. EST?[/QUOTE]

I hope there's some achievable middle ground here. I know ubernes wanted to advance around 9.

This is why we schedule our games for early in the week! :D
 
[quote name='bvharris']I hope there's some achievable middle ground here. I know ubernes wanted to advance around 9.

This is why we schedule our games for early in the week! :D[/QUOTE]

My apologies. Unexpectedly in the ER with my wife today. Also, we have two little ones, so just for future reference, late evening is typically my best time to play.
 
[quote name='lyric706']My apologies. Unexpectedly in the ER with my wife today. Also, we have two little ones, so just for future reference, late evening is typically my best time to play.[/QUOTE]

Haha, now I seem like a villain. ;)

Obviously real commitments > Madden game, but generally speaking you should always try to schedule for soon after we advance in case things like this come up.

Everyone should always be proactive, even going so far as to contact their opponent for the next week before we even advance.
 
Got halfway through the Jags-Steelers game before the Steelers got booted from the EA servers with a 28-0 lead. Chose to not have it count, for what I hope are obvious reasons. Anyway, I guess the game will need to be simmed.
 
[quote name='jza1218']Chose to not have it count, for what I hope are obvious reasons. Anyway, I guess the game will need to be simmed.[/QUOTE]

I guess the obvious reason is that it was only halfway through? You should try to play the game again though, it's not really fair to Zurezo to have a game simmed after he was leading 28-0.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I guess the obvious reason is that it was only halfway through? You should try to play the game again though, it's not really fair to Zurezo to have a game simmed after he was leading 28-0.[/QUOTE]

I would have, but he logged off right after. I stayed on for another 30-45 minutes after but as far as I can tell he never came back on. I'm working from 6 on tonight, so I don't really see what I can do.

The game wanted to give me the win, so I didn't want to take one I didn't deserve, that's why I didn't have it count.
 
[quote name='jza1218']Anyone interested in FB Greg Jones (rated 84 overall)? Looking for help at either WR, CB, SS or LG.[/QUOTE]

Too bad you didn't take over the Jags earlier, since I'd PMed the guy who had them before about trading for one of your FBs. I picked one up during free agency though.

[quote name='jza1218']I would have, but he logged off right after. I stayed on for another 30-45 minutes after but as far as I can tell he never came back on. I'm working from 6 on tonight, so I don't really see what I can do.

The game wanted to give me the win, so I didn't want to take one I didn't deserve, that's why I didn't have it count.[/QUOTE]

Ah. It would have actually given the win to whoever was winning at the time, so he would have gotten it.

Hopefully Zurezo will sign on here shortly so we can figure out what to do.
 
[quote name='bvharris']It's a little sad that when there's a slow day at work I get disappointed that there isn't more action going on in the league. Someone make a controversially lopsided trade, quick! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Im working on one for you. It is even inside the same division.

Let the speculation begin!
 
[quote name='staticz']Im working on one for you. It is even inside the same division.

Let the speculation begin![/QUOTE]

I'm working on one as well. :cool: Might see a QB change in New Jersey for next week's game.
 
[quote name='staticz']Im working on one for you. It is even inside the same division.

Let the speculation begin![/QUOTE]

You've got to post who you're trading away so everyone can PM you with better offers. ;)
 
Chiefs are officially in the Asante Samuel sweepstakes. Details to come once Pacer responds.

Also have pulled themselves out of the Freeman race, though it would be a nice upgrade.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Ah. It would have actually given the win to whoever was winning at the time, so he would have gotten it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's not what the game says though. It says "YOU will receive a win for this game." When it happened in one of my games that I was losing big, I just told it to count it anyway because I'm gangsta like that. That was in the 4th quarter though.

Kind of a shitty situation here. A 28-0 lead is substantial, but it's not exactly fair to allow the "better" players to only play half a game either...especially when their connection is the one at fault.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']
Kind of a shitty situation here. A 28-0 lead is substantial, but it's not exactly fair to allow the "better" players to only play half a game either...especially when their connection is the one at fault.[/QUOTE]

I'm definitely not suggesting that's a game where it should be counted, obviously replaying it is the best possible situation here. At the same time, it's not fair to Zurezo to have it simmed when he seemed to be in control of the game.

That reminds me, I need to fish the disconnect rules out of the old thread and post them somewhere here.

Anecdotally, disconnects seem to be far less of a problem so far this year than they were last. Though that might be in part because I had easily the shittiest connection in the league last year, and this year I've been fine. :D
 
[quote name='Doomtime']:lol: It will probably involve my first round pick since I don't care for picks anyways.[/QUOTE]

You know who's currently holding three first round picks and two second rounders? This guy. So bring it. ;)
 
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[quote name='Doomtime']Chiefs are officially in the Asante Samuel sweepstakes. Details to come once Pacer responds.

Also have pulled themselves out of the Freeman race, though it would be a nice upgrade.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Freeman will ever get traded....
 
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