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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yeah, explain the two illegal blocks by your WRs on the left side of the field then.[/QUOTE]

Its a game...Just like that onside kick you got instead of my guy going to catch it with his hands he tried to catch it with his face...once again its just a game cant make it perfect

O and maybe the refs were looking at my QB pull off a sweet run.
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']Josh Johnson is in my 5 wide set all the time its like my wildcat book just like dixon in the other league is in my 5 wide mallett never takes a snap in 5 wide so I dont think im doing anything wrong.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter whether you think you're doing anything wrong or not. Not every single opponent is going to know your playbook or what QB is in when. If the game alerted your opponent that a different QB is coming in, that would be one thing, but it doesn't.

Setting aside whether the strategy you're employing with Johnson in the 5-wide is cheap or not in and of itself (I think it is, but not necessarily against the rules), that doesn't change the fact that changing QBs on a play-by-play basis creates an unfair advantage.

I won't rule unilaterally on this, you're entitled to hear what ubernes thinks on this issue as well. If he disagrees with me, then that's fine. I encourage you to make your case to him, that's the most fair way to handle this.
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']Its a game...Just like that onside kick you got instead of my guy going to catch it with his hands he tried to catch it with his face...once again its just a game cant make it perfect

O and maybe the refs were looking at my QB pull off a sweet run.[/QUOTE]

You're too stupid to comprehend the difference between a penalty and a lucky bounce? My onside kick went ACCORDING TO THE RULES. Your guy charged the ball, touched it, made it a live ball, and my guy recovered. Tackling two defenders and preventing them from making a play on the ball is against the rules. Even regardless of that fact, you broke league rules by switching QBs constantly, and called a horseshit play when you got scared that you might lose the game. THIS is the kind of stuff that goes on in this league...and it ruins it for the honest players here, and makes the actually really good players look bad by association.

This is exactly why this kind of horseshit should have been cracked down upon much earlier than week 12. You've got several players in this league just making up their own rules and playing however they feel like. I realize having 32 teams in this league provides the most "realistic experience". But there's a lot of people here who have nothing to do with CAG and only joined last year to play in the Madden league. These might as well be random online guys who have no respect for the community here.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']
This is exactly why this kind of horseshit should have been cracked down upon much earlier than week 12. You've got several players in this league just making up their own rules and playing however they feel like.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying, but we can't conceive of every possible violation or piece of funny business in advance. Sometimes the best we can do is deal with this stuff as it comes up.

This issue did come up before in the context of the Broncos doing the same thing, we addressed it at the time and I thought we'd done it publicly but looking back it turns out it was just in PMs with Venom. Obviously ubernes and I should have brought it up in the thread too, so that's on us. We haven't heard any complants about it since then until tonight though, so I think we were honestly unaware that anyone else in the league was doing it (and I knew Venom had stopped as soon as we asked him to).
 
That seemed like a legit pass play. He just waited one second then scrambled away form the pocket. QB Draws are fine. The play he did was not.
 
[quote name='VeryCheapGame']That seemed like a legit pass play. He just waited one second then scrambled away form the pocket. QB Draws are fine. The play he did was not.[/QUOTE]

Pitfallharry correctly called it what it was: The Michael Vick Madden 04 cheese play (I didn't know people still did that). Whether that's allowed or not is a different question than whether you can hot-swap QBs, which I absolutely don't think you should be able to. Removing that will hopefully alleviate the issue on this specific play, since that's easy to stop once you're 100% sure it's coming.
 
[quote name='VeryCheapGame']Even if the Michael Vick cheese play is easy to stop doesn't mean it should still be allowed should it?[/QUOTE]

I don't have an issue with scrambling QBs scrambling, even on called passing plays. It's a legitimate part of their game, and there are plusses and minuses to that approach.

It would be nearly impossible to regulate how long somebody stayed in the pocket before scrambling, what routes their receivers were running, etc on a case-by-case basis. Short of just saying "no scrambling on passing plays", which obviously makes no sense.

I don't think we really have a scrambling QB problem, I don't see it too much in this league to begin with. And as I said, I think addressing the issue of swapping in sub QBs specifically for that purpose will solve 95% of the issue without getting into the trickier area of trying to regulate what scrambles are and are not appropriate.
 
Anyway, no need to solve this at 2AM. I've expressed my stance on it, and I PMed ubernes to give him a heads up, so he'll hopefully let us know what he thinks tomorrow.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I understand what you're saying, but we can't conceive of every possible violation or piece of funny business in advance. Sometimes the best we can do is deal with this stuff as it comes up.

This issue did come up before in the context of the Broncos doing the same thing, we addressed it at the time and I thought we'd done it publicly but looking back it turns out it was just in PMs with Venom. Obviously ubernes and I should have brought it up in the thread too, so that's on us. We haven't heard any complants about it since then until tonight though, so I think we were honestly unaware that anyone else in the league was doing it (and I knew Venom had stopped as soon as we asked him to).[/QUOTE]

I realize that and I can appreciate the logistics of trying to ensure everybody is playing fair. I guess my problem is I feel like I end up being the whistle blower every time. And I know that makes me unpopular, but Jesus Christ, I wish there wasn't this much bitch stuff going on in this league. At some point, you start to question the league itself.

I feel like it just turns into a "win at all costs!" mentality. He handled me almost the entire game, I mounted a comeback, got a pick 6, finally stuffed his running game, and he thought "oh shit! I better call a 'gimme play' or I could lose!" Honestly, on that play, I was wondering if he was going to risk it and try passing for the 1st down, or play it safe, run the ball, punt, and trust his defense to hold me off. Instead, he chose secret option #3: act like a complete bitch.

[quote name='bvharris']Anyway, no need to solve this at 2AM. I've expressed my stance on it, and I PMed ubernes to give him a heads up, so he'll hopefully let us know what he thinks tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Just a shitty way to end the night, ya know.
 
The hot swappIng seems pretty cheap, but I love playing against scrambling quarter backs, there are some certain things you can do to make sure they never get more than 5 yards.
 
I won't be able to comment in depth right now, but I agree with BV here for sure. He's saying essentially what I said to venom. You want to scramble? Fine but swapping out QBs every other play just won't work unless it's wildcat. I would be more than willing to hear people's opinions on whether it could be down on a new down basis. So if someone gets a 1st, can they start that new set of downs with a different QB until another 1st or 4th down. I know that's not as strict but it gives flexiblity on both sides. I'm fine with doing it by series too but I figured id throw out that idea as well.
 
[quote name='VeryCheapGame']Don't know if this matters but Jets had around 12 more plays than me, TOP is about equal, Jets turned it over two times (Bills none).

Well if this was about the Jets not having enough opportunity...[/QUOTE]

FYI, this really just proves my point. If I had 12 more plays with slightly less TOP that should tell you something. It was never about opportunities or winning vs losing, it's about not being an annoying opponent to play.
 
I do think it should be every series. Realistically though, how many teams even have the personnel where it would be a valid option? Of the couple other teams I could think of with scrambling backups on the roster, it doesn't look like anyone else is employing this option. I just don't think the "it's my Wildcat" rationale holds water. Plenty of playbooks in the game have the Wildcat, so use that.
 
broncos did it in real life tebow came in one play for a sneak ravens didnit with troy smith the jets did it with there returner last year who played qb in college..... it is a fair play i dont do it but i dont see how u can say dont put in a fast qb for a sneak..... linebackers are much better this yr do a qb spy and they will stop it.....
 
i learned the hard way bout playing vick this yr.... guy did slants or run with vick everyplay.... ray lewis caught vick and made his ass fumble.... i think its fair to ban that
 
[quote name='sprice8688']broncos did it in real life tebow came in one play for a sneak ravens didnit with troy smith the jets did it with there returner last year who played qb in college..... it is a fair play i dont do it but i dont see how u can say dont put in a fast qb for a sneak..... linebackers are much better this yr do a qb spy and they will stop it.....[/QUOTE]

Answer this:

In the real NFL, would the defense know that guy is coming in before the play?

In Madden, does the defense know that guy is coming in before the play?

That's your answer.
 
you look at the qbs number..... obviously in 5 wide if he does it once he will do it again go into a 5 cb set man 2 man coverage mlb spy he wont get anywhere.... its a stupid complaint because what if he had vick and ran the ball everyplay out of 5 wide are u gonna ban running with the qb period? so because alot of us including u wont get very far with out slow qbs its wrong to put ur backup in to 1 run for a first to keep posession and 2 avoid getting ur starter hurt?
 
[quote name='sprice8688']you look at the qbs number.....[/QUOTE]

You don't get to see the QB's number before calling the defensive play. Sure, you can audible to a different defense or hot route someone, but that still creates a disadvantage.

Honestly, if as a fan of football and someone who plays Madden you fail to see the glaringly obvious difference between the real-life situation and the Madden one, I don't know what to tell you.
 
[quote name='sprice8688']my bad bv i forgot ur always right ill keep my opinions to myself[/QUOTE]

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm trying to explain the reasoning behind it to you, but you seem belligerent for whatever reason.

It seems pretty cut and dried to me that this creates an unfair advantage which would not exist in the actual NFL. Ubernes agrees. You're welcome to voice your opinion all you want. You obviously either don't understand the explanation or are choosing to ignore it, so I'm not going to waste any more time trying to explain it to you.

The alternative would be requiring users to pause the game and send their opponent a PM every time they want to sub a QB in and out. Would that be preferable to you?
 
i wouldnt want to know it takes away the fun and surprise of the game.... sometimes i sub my fullback with my halfback to throw a pass to him is that illegal? sometimes i put leshoure at fullback to run up the middle is that illegal? other people do it its a one play sub that madden dont know i do.... its finding advantages to get a win..... i see wat u mean but is it fair to say becUse the eagles have the only qb that can scramble and throw well that they could run vick every play if they wanted?
 
[quote name='sprice8688']its finding advantages to get a win.....[/QUOTE]

If you honestly think that's remotely what this specific league is about, there's really nothing else to say since we're unlikely to find any common ground.
 
[quote name='sprice8688'] i see wat u mean but is it fair to say becUse the eagles have the only qb that can scramble and throw well that they could run vick every play if they wanted?[/QUOTE]

Sure, if they wanted. That wouldn't be a good strategy, and besides Pacer doesn't really scramble with him at all.

Scrambling QBs are allowed to scramble. You're still allowed to bring in a scrambling QB for a series if you want a different look. You're also still allowed to use one in the Wildcat whenever you want. The only thing you can't do is sub in a scrambler in the middle of a series in a non-Wildcat formation.
 
[quote name='sprice8688']my bad bv i forgot ur always right ill keep my opinions to myself[/QUOTE]

The biggest point is that I couldn't see who he has on the field before calling the play. He had a few big throwing plays earlier in the game, so going 5 wide on 3rd and 12 to throw for a potential game clinching 1st down seemed much more realistic than subbing in a speedy QB to pull the defenders deep so he could two step drop and run immediately.

Also, you don't think that somebody deceptively switching his quarterback back and forth would try to snap the ball as quickly as possible before I figured out what was going on? I did notice it at the last second, and the best I could do was pull my DT back so he wouldn't be engaged in blocking and could try to make a play.

Thanks to the blatantly missed illegal block penalties (can anybody tell me how his two receivers just dove for my DB's legs simultaneously? By all appearances, that looks like a glitch...but considering he was controlling the QB, I can't figure out how it would be possible), my DT was the only one close and just wasn't fast enough.

This is why I'm done with this league. Just like with the shifting players to try to block XPs (which got a freaking patch for Christ sakes), some people here defend it, and can't even see how unrealistic and exploitative it is. We'll sit here and argue about it for a day or two (mostly me), it'll die down with no resolution, and then people will just continue playing like douchebags. I'm done trying to play "like a real coach" when at any moment, any of my opponents can decide that the possibility of losing is more important than playing with some decency.
 
[quote name='bvharris']If you honestly think that's remotely what this specific league is about, there's really nothing else to say since we're unlikely to find any common ground.[/QUOTE]

come on bv u would not be co commish or even play in this league if u didnt wanna win or make it to the superbowl... u wouldnt of picked the pats aquired ap or asante samuel if u were not working towrds the superbowl.... i agree with fairness and alot of the rules made but some are made and bent in favors of others.... but okay ill drop it since i dont do it anyway i just wanted to state my opinion and say i think he should be able to.... now i know there are alot of people who are in this league who talk about fairness but havnt u noticed more and more complaints about games as its getting close to crunch time.... everyone wants playoffs for that one shot even u
 
[quote name='bvharris']If you honestly think that's remotely what this specific league is about, there's really nothing else to say since we're unlikely to find any common ground.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I was talking about. sprice: CAG join date: Oct 2010. These guys are here to win at Madden and that's it. This is not a community league anymore. You might as well get random XxX420mUrDeRxXx to take my place as the Titans.
 
I think eating the clock is a fair strategy. It's nothing exploitative and it is completely preventable. All the defense has to do is stop the offense...

I'm not really interested if my opponent is "annoyed", it is a competition after all. Granted, everything should be fair and I would never resort to cheap tactics to win, but using the clock is valid football strategy. The best defense is a good offense. If you can't force my offense off the field, that's your problem.

As far as the QB swapping is concerned, it's obviously cheesy and I agree that, either you can sub per series or you have to notify your opponent before the play...
 
I don't like it anymore than n8 or anyone else does, so by all means ban it.

I will say however that it could easily be stopped with an audible. I usually take a look at XFN before every game to get an idea of what my opponent will do and set some audible up to cover my ass. Cheese can always be countered in my opinion. We aren't playing randoms in head to head, you have all the tools you need to study your opponent plus Tanebo has made comments in this thread about scrambling with his QB.

If you can't gameplan or adopt to a different style of play that is your problem. Tanaebo has a losing record so his code can't be that hard to break...no offense Tanaebo
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']This is exactly what I was talking about. sprice: CAG join date: Oct 2010. These guys are here to win at Madden and that's it. This is not a community league anymore. You might as well get random XxX420mUrDeRxXx to taoke my place as the Titans.[/QUOTE]

so r u knocking the fact that i want to win? dont u? should i go into each week hoping to lose.... everyone wants to win or at least compete to b the best am i wrong?
 
[quote name='staticz']I don't like it anymore than n8 or anyone else does, so by all means ban it.

I will say however that it could easily be stopped with an audible. I usually take a look at XFN before every game to get an idea of what my opponent will do and set some audible up to cover my ass. Cheese can always be countered in my opinion. We aren't playing randoms in head to head, you have all the tools you need to study your opponent plus Tanebo has made comments in this thread about scrambling with his QB.

If you can't gameplan or adopt to a different style of play that is your problem. Tanaebo has a losing record so his code can't be that hard to break...no offense Tanaebo[/QUOTE]

agree completely
 
If we were playing 15 minute quarters than delaying the clock would be a valid strategy. How is it fair when the play clock is still 40 seconds even though the quarter is a 3rd of the length?
Real life= .8:15
Game= .8:6
It's just not the same.
 
[quote name='sprice8688']come on bv u would not be co commish or even play in this league if u didnt wanna win or make it to the superbowl... u wouldnt of picked the pats aquired ap or asante samuel if u were not working towrds the superbowl....[/QUOTE]

Well, I picked the Patriots since I'm a Patriots fan. I've wanted them since I joined the league, but I used the Titans my first year and then the Chargers until the Pats opened up. I became co-commish because ubernes asked me to, since running this league is too big a job for one person, especially one as busy as he is. I'm happy to do it since my job allows me to be on CAG throughout the day.

That said, I never claimed I don't care about winning. I definitely want to win, nobody in the league wants to lose. However, I definitely care much more about the community we have here than whether I win or lose. I've only won one playoff game in 5 or 6 Madden seasons on CAG, but that doesn't really bother me. I play because I like the game, not because I think I need to do everything possible to win a Super Bowl, since I rate my chances of doing so as pretty low.

[quote name='staticz']I don't like it anymore than n8 or anyone else does, so by all means ban it.

I will say however that it could easily be stopped with an audible. I usually take a look at XFN before every game to get an idea of what my opponent will do and set some audible up to cover my ass. Cheese can always be countered in my opinion. We aren't playing randoms in head to head, you have all the tools you need to study your opponent plus Tanebo has made comments in this thread about scrambling with his QB.

If you can't gameplan or adopt to a different style of play that is your problem. Tanaebo has a losing record so his code can't be that hard to break...no offense Tanaebo[/QUOTE]

While everything you say is true, that doesn't change the fact that it creates an advantage/element of surprise which wouldn't be present in a real game. If a backup scrambler trots onto the field in a real NFL game, the coaches and players will see that and adjust. Madden doesn't give you the chance to do so. Even calling an audible, if the offense got the snap off quickly you wouldn't have time to adjust. It just creates an unreasonable situation which you'd never see in a real game, which is why it shouldn't be allowed.
 
[quote name='bvharris']

While everything you say is true, that doesn't change the fact that it creates an advantage/element of surprise which wouldn't be present in a real game. If a backup scrambler trots onto the field in a real NFL game, the coaches and players will see that and adjust. Madden doesn't give you the chance to do so. Even calling an audible, if the offense got the snap off quickly you wouldn't have time to adjust. It just creates an unreasonable situation which you'd never see in a real game, which is why it shouldn't be allowed.[/QUOTE]

I agree that we should adjust the rules but Josh Johnson is the Bucs leading rusher. To expect him to do anything else but run around like a mad man the whole game is simply asinine and an excuse.
 
[quote name='staticz']I agree that we should adjust the rules but Josh Johnson is the Bucs leading rusher. To expect him to do anything else but run around like a mad man the whole game is simply asinine and an excuse.[/QUOTE]

Well, a lot of that has to do with how much turnover he's had at HB with injuries and trades. But again, nobody's saying he can't use Josh Johnson in the same sort of fashion that he's been using him. Just that he can't do it while utilizing the element of surprise which wouldn't exist in a real NFL game. If he wanted to make Josh Johnson his starter and play him all game, then he could do whatever he wants with him. Or sub him in for a series (or even the rest of the game) if he can't get the passing game going and wants to scramble more.

What's disallowed is this:

1st Down: Mallett
2nd Down: Mallett
3rd Down: Surprise! Josh Johnson!
 
Just to let everyone know Josh Johnson is now my starting QB also n8 is talking like i put him in every other play when he was on the field for 3 snaps out of 28 and n8 was going for it on 4th and long on his 30 or so then again on his 40.

And n8 I do know onside kick rules you dont understand that Im saying its just a game you cant get it perfect never would someone charge up 7 yards and attemt to catch it with his face. That kick would have never even went 10 yards.

So for now on if im 4th and long and on my 30 im going for it if n8 can do it I can do it he has been here since oct 2006 so it should be ok
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']Just to let everyone know Josh Johnson is now my starting QB [/QUOTE]

Problem solved. Just don't be "dropping the Mallett" in the middle of a series. ;)
 
[quote name='bvharris']

What's disallowed is this:

1st Down: Mallett
2nd Down: Mallett
3rd Down: Surprise! Josh Johnson![/QUOTE]

OK in not trying to start anything just looking for clarification, because I do this all the time at RB.

1st Down: Rice
2nd Down: Rice
3rd Down: Washington (95 spd)

Is that OK? Rice and Washington are two very different backs and I definitely do this to surprise the defense.
 
[quote name='staticz']OK in not trying to start anything just looking for clarification, because I do this all the time at RB.

1st Down: Rice
2nd Down: Rice
3rd Down: Washington (95 spd)

Is that OK? Rice and Washington are two very different backs and I definitely do this to surprise the defense.[/QUOTE]

3rd down backs are fine. There's even a position on the depth chart for it, isn't there? ;)
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']and n8 was going for it on 4th and long on his 30 or so then again on his 40.

So for now on if im 4th and long and on my 30 im going for it if n8 can do it I can do it he has been here since oct 2006 so it should be ok[/QUOTE]

Dude. Get some perspective. and some common sense. PLEASE.

He was down 28-3 at the HALF. The league made accommodations that say if you're DOWN and attempting at a come back, 4th downs (no matter where they are, truly) are OK.

IF you are going to go for it 4th and long everytime you come up to a 4th down, say goodbye to this league. I can guarantee that's going to be the fastest way for a boot out the door.

Stop making idle threats. Play the game fair, and have fun. Stomping someones face in to "get the win" isn't fun. for anyone.
 
[quote name='siradam134']Dude. Get some perspective. and some common sense. PLEASE.

He was down 28-3 at the HALF. The league made accommodations that say if you're DOWN and attempting at a come back, 4th downs (no matter where they are, truly) are OK.

IF you are going to go for it 4th and long everytime you come up to a 4th down, say goodbye to this league. I can guarantee that's going to be the fastest way for a boot out the door.

Stop making idle threats. Play the game fair, and have fun. Stomping someones face in to "get the win" isn't fun. for anyone.[/QUOTE]

Dude open your eyes Im down at half time all the time. PLEASE.
 
[quote name='bvharris']3rd down backs are fine. There's even a position on the depth chart for it, isn't there? ;)[/QUOTE]

Just to expand a little more on this:

I see the slippery slope situation which is part of what you're asking, but I don't see any other position on the field as analogous to the QB in this respect. Different backs and receivers come on and off the field all the time in the course of both NFL and Madden games, so it's to be expected. Plenty of teams have specific 3rd-down backs, both in this league and in the NFL.

Subbing in QBs is something which happens much less frequently, and much more so than other positions it signals a shift in the fundamental offensive philosophy for the play which is about to be run, especially if you're subbing in a scrambling QB for a pocket passer. NFL teams do this (Tebow before he became a starter is a great example), but when they do the defense is able to substitute as well and adjust. They're not forced to solely adjust on the fly. The fact that you're not afforded the same opportunity in Madden is what makes it unfair. Sure, you could waste a timeout, but even if you did there's no guarantee that the QB will even be out there again.
 
And for someone to tell me not to stomp someones face in to get the the win is a joke I have lost 7-60 before 21-51, 7-41 but not one time did you see me come in here and bitch. 4 of 5 of my wins are by 6 or less
 
Alright, this issue is solved now, no? I'm checking in here quickly during lunch. So no QB changes unless it's between series. This doesn't apply to wildcat. Tanabeo, if you want to work Johnson in more play to play you might want to check the Denver playbook. I know last year they had legit wildcat plays that incorporated passes too.

I don't think I need to clarify the 4th down rules this late into the season. Anything else?
 
my 2 cents on the subject... Tanabeo's 3rd down strategy to run with the QB out of a spread formation helped him to knock me off when he subbed for the Vikings but the truth about it is there are certain Qbs that are referred to as RUNNING QB's for a reason. I dont agree with calling a spread formation just to take off running with the QB but it's not cheese play. It's just a dick move. If it's done consistently, the opposition should recognize that and start using a QB spy. I have Cam Newton and I run with him when a play breaks down or when a blitz breaks thru before my receiver's routes have a chance to develop. To ban running with the QB is unnecessary but there should be some sort of uniform code among the players as to when a QB takes off... no QB in the NFL runs more than Vick but he doesn't take off running(as a set play) anymore than two or three times a game. I think Tanabeo should adjust his offense a lil bit to be more realistic in terms of moving the ball but the fact that Josh Johnson is a mobile QB shouldn't be ignored. I feel it shouldn't be exploited but used when appropriate (real NFL situations)

i'm trying to drive and read and type so forgive me if my response is a bit off topic or completely on another subject lol
 
[quote name='ubernes']Alright, this issue is solved now, no? I'm checking in here quickly during lunch. So no QB changes unless it's between series. This doesn't apply to wildcat. Tanabeo, if you want to work Johnson in more play to play you might want to check the Denver playbook. I know last year they had legit wildcat plays that incorporated passes too.

I don't think I need to clarify the 4th down rules this late into the season. Anything else?[/QUOTE]

Yep, I think we're good. Tanabeo is going to use Johnson as his starter, which should solve that issue.

Now we're on record and it's against the rules to quick-sub QBs, we should be good to go from here on out.

[quote name='Deuce20602']I think Tanabeo should adjust his offense a lil bit to be more realistic in terms of moving the ball but the fact that Josh Johnson is a mobile QB shouldn't be ignored. I feel it shouldn't be exploited but used when appropriate (real NFL situations)[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify since I think you might have missed the bulk of the discussion: The issue was never using Johnson to scramble period, but rather subbing him mid-series without the opponent having a realistic chance to call a different play to adjust for the change in QB, which a real NFL team would.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']all i wanna say about eating up clock... it's legit but very very ridiculously annoying.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't think anyone thinks it should be banned. It's just.... not... fun. :wall:
 
i think the QB rule against tanabeo is a lil bit too much. I think you can do what you want in terms of your team and getting yourself the best opportunity to win without cheesy plays. He should not be forced to start a player because people find it annoying he is simply trying to win
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']Just to let everyone know Josh Johnson is now my starting QB also n8 is talking like i put him in every other play when he was on the field for 3 snaps out of 28 and n8 was going for it on 4th and long on his 30 or so then again on his 40.

And n8 I do know onside kick rules you dont understand that Im saying its just a game you cant get it perfect never would someone charge up 7 yards and attemt to catch it with his face. That kick would have never even went 10 yards.

So for now on if im 4th and long and on my 30 im going for it if n8 can do it I can do it he has been here since oct 2006 so it should be ok[/QUOTE]

I didn't go for a 4th down until I was down 28-3. At that point, I figure it's now or never. I either get something going, or I'm done (and I thought the first one I went for was from my own 46. I don't remember going for it from my own 30). This is the same shit with past issues in the league. People get mad when they're called out on it, act all defiant, won't even allow the possibility of being wrong, and then just deflect blame. I don't even think it's fair to use Tanabeo's record as a defense. For example, I have a shit record. So, it's ok for me to lie, cheat, and steal wins that I probably had no business getting? Fair is fair regardless of your record or how good you are.

It's just funny that in a lot of the games where I've been blown out, the players have played legit and finished the game respectfully. It's the close games where the assholes come out. I'm here for a fair, fun, community league. I know I don't have a shot in hell of winning a Super Bowl and beating the likes of Doomtime, BigAT, augmog, etc. But that doesn't make it ok for the "bubble teams" to exploit their way into the playoffs. If you guys want to just continually brush that shit under the rug, that's your business. But I'm done with it.
 
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