Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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[quote name='Deuce20602']yea, I know but after john kasay was released, Smitty became the longest tenured Panther so for sentimental purposes, he's an original Panther... *sniff* I still remember his first KO return for a TD to open the season his rookie year[/QUOTE]

Haha, ok. Yeah, "longest tenured" is a bit different from "original". I knew Kasay was the last one. Kinda shitty that he ended up just going to New Orleans anyway. Could have kept the streak alive.
 
Blockbuster Alert!!!

Patriots Recieve:
WR- Roddy White, 97 overall 31 years old A potential
CB- Dunta Robinson, 84 overall 30 years old B potential

Falcons Receive:
1st round draft pick (from Saints)
CB- Ras-I Dowling, 81 overall 24 years old A potential
WR- Julian Edelman, 77 overall 26 years old B potential
RG- Marcus Cannon, 76 overall 24 years old B potential

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*Trade uses 3/4 of the Falcons core players, and 2/4 of the Patriots core players.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Blockbuster Alert!!!

Patriots Recieve:
WR- Roddy White, 97 overall 31 years old A potential
CB- Dunta Robinson, 84 overall 30 years old B potential

Falcons Receive:
1st round draft pick (from Saints)
CB- Ras-I Dowling, 81 overall 24 years old A potential
WR- Julian Edelman, 77 overall 26 years old B potential
RG- Marcus Cannon, 76 overall 24 years old B potential

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*Trade uses 3/4 of the Falcons core players, and 2/4 of the Patriots core players.[/QUOTE]

I think this trade is heavily favoring the pats. I'll go into detail when I get home but as is, I would vote no...
 
I think this is a good deal for both sides. Falcons have one of the oldest rosters in the league and get a ton younger here. Pats finally get a deep threat for Brady.
 
Well my reasoning is that dowling will be a beast next year, the pick will help me fill my needs, my guards are terrible so cannon helps me there, and I can't pass anyways so there is no point in having an amazing wr so Edelman will work fine and hopefully will develop into the 80s next year. Dunta is my 3rd string cb and I'm going to use dowling as my second string probably so I don't lose out there, and as I said earlier I cant pass anyways so a starting RG, a 2nd string wr, and a 1st round draft pick seems fair for a player I couldn't utilize. That being said I would like to hear your reasoning as to why it's unfair as long as its based on that I'm giving up too much for too little, not "the patriots are too good now"
 
Every time a young A potential CB goes on the block people fall all over themselves to go get them. I don't have the numbers handy but I think Dowling went up 7 points this offseason while Robinson went down 5. GB is getting a future stud there.
 
Hell, Dowling is already a stud. He started every game for me at GS his rookie year and lead the leagues top scoring D in picks. He's only going to get better.
 
A 97 wr and an 84 cb for the 29th pick, a 81 cb and pennies on the dollar...come on man. thats not even considering he turned down charles johnson who is a 91 and 26 yrs, the 31st pick and david gettis who is better than the wr ur giving him bv... and he told me that wasn't good enough. dont see any real difference except dowling... and the fact that we're on the same division
 
Dowling IS the difference. Look at his stats.when you get home. He's already starter calibur right now. Plus, if GB is trading Roddy White you can't really blame him for not wanting to see him twice a season (not saying that's why he turned you down)
 
Yeah it looked okay at first but def was favoring the pats!! But what after deuce just explained what he offered I don't understand y he would say no!! Hell I would've much rather had deuces deal than the one hes getting from bv! So I would have to say noo! But either way I could careless forreal!!
 
fuck it, we all know the deal is gonna walk so I'll leave it alone.

on another note, the Panthers have traded RB DeAngelo Williams and the 14th pick acquired from MIN to the Bengals for RB Cedric Benson and WR AJ Green. This concludes the Panthers trading for the year. Thank you and good night:D
 
This trade would give NE 10 players with a 90+ rating, four of them will be 95+

I barely have 10 over 80 and I'm sure a few teams are even worse then that!
 
1. I didnt need a de, i have Abraham and Edwards, id be trading my best player for a 3 point upgrade in my strongest position. Instead I decided to go after a cb b/c 2/3 of my top 3 were 29 and 30 years old and degrading fast. And the trade wasn't based on wrs so gettis being better than Edelman doesnt matter to me as he was basically for depth.
2. I had no cb of the future, now I do.
3. I had no 1st round pick, now I do.
4. Look at my gaurds and you'll see how useful cannon will be for me.
5. I just traded two 30+ year old players (only 1 starter) for 3 players under 26 (all 3 will start for me), and a 1st round pick.
 
How does that trade make the Falcons better is my question? It's not like Julio Jones is going to be freed up all of a sudden, especially with Roddy White gone.
 
[quote name='staticz']This trade would give NE 10 players with a 90+ rating, four of them will be 95+

I barely have 10 over 80 and I'm sure a few teams are even worse then that![/QUOTE]

not really a legit rationale for denying a trade but from a parody standpoint, I'd like to see smarter trading within the league. the cap was put in place to prevent stacking teams and it would seem that bv has found a way around it...albeit unintentional
 
I want there to be a discussion like we have for every deal. There's a tendency here to say one side is getting a steal if they're getting the big names, which I guess makes sense. But Dowling right now has very similar skills to what Peterson had when he was traded for Drew Brees, and that went through no problem. I'm not saying Dowling is as good, but even if he's 80% of Peterson he's a huge impact player in this league. Young A pot corners are THE most.valuable trading commodity in this league, surely we all know that by now.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']1. I didnt need a de, and the trade wasn't based on wrs so gettis being better than Edelman doesnt matter to me as he was basically for depth.
2. I had no cb of the future, now I do.
3. I had no 1st round pick, now I do.
4. Look at my gaurds and you'll see how useful cannon will be for me.
5. I just traded two 30+ year old players (only 1 starter) for 3 players under 26 (all 3 will start for me), and a 1st round pick.[/QUOTE]

u said u were looking for a RE... charles johnson is a RE.... a damned good one...he's better than most of your defense...instant starter, and he's 26. gettis is just as young so edelman but he's better. I could've given u bernadeau but u never said u needed a G. I offered the pick TWO spots down from the one you're getting. the only difference here is dowling and I'm not questioning his value...I asked about him early in the season. don't bullshit me is all I'm asking here.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']not really a legit rationale for denying a trade but from a parody standpoint, I'd like to see smarter trading within the league. the cap was put in place to prevent stacking teams and it would seem that bv has found a way around it...albeit unintentional[/QUOTE]

I'm playing with the same cap as everyone else, I'm definitely the most aggressive in terms of going out and improving my team, and I've cashed in on a ton of picks (I now have only 3) to make it happen. I'm not finding my way around anything though.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']How does that trade make the Falcons better is my question? It's not like Julio Jones is going to be freed up all of a sudden, especially with Roddy White gone.[/QUOTE]
I cant pass anyways so it doesn't matter. Roddy had TWO tds for me last year. So basically I traded 2 tds for an improved oline, secondary, and a draft pick which will either help my oline or secondary even more. Not to mention the players I traded were getting old and starting to degrade, while the 3 players I got improve around ~5 points a year.
 
Regardless of whether or not you think it is rationle, the Pats will have the best QB, the best RB, and the second best WR in the league. If the cap was put in place to prevent this it isn't working.
 
number 9 draft pick
Greg Jones FB 85 rate
Eric Decker WR 79
Thomas Marcus DT 77

my interest are WR LOLB CB
 
[quote name='staticz']Regardless of whether or not you think it is rationle, the Pats will have the best QB, the best RB, and the second best WR in the league. If the cap was put in place to prevent this it isn't working.[/QUOTE]

I've given up a ton of talent and.a ton of picks to get the guys.I've traded for. Sometimes it seems like you guys think these guys fell off the truck lol.
 
Just posting Vikings trading block again:

QB - Donovan McNABB: 80 ovr, B potential
HB Toby Gerhart : 80 ovr, B potential, 85 speed
TE Visanthe Shiancoe : 83 ovr, B potential, 80 speed
WR Greg Camarillo : 71 ovr, C pot, 80 speed

Looking for CB, RG, RT, LOLB, SS, any offer will be considered even if the player\position isn't listed here. PM me!
 
[quote name='staticz']Regardless of whether or not you think it is rationle, the Pats will have the best QB, the best RB, and the second best WR in the league. If the cap was put in place to prevent this it isn't working.[/QUOTE]

I fully agree. honestly, I feel like BV is trading just for the sake of trading while others are attempting to build a competitive team and can't because they dont have the history firepower to contend with a team that has picks stockpiled and good players to spare
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']u said u were looking for a RE... charles johnson is a RE.... a damned good one...he's better than most of your defense...instant starter, and he's 26. gettis is just as young so edelman but he's better. I could've given u bernadeau but u never said u needed a G. I offered the pick TWO spots down from the one you're getting. the only difference here is dowling and I'm not questioning his value...I asked about him early in the season. don't bullshit me is all I'm asking here.[/QUOTE]

Yes I know I said I was looking for a de, but after I got your offer I looked at my roster and saw that there really was no need to trade for a de. My main goal of trading roddy white was always to get a good young cb, ask fero, ultimatt, and lvpatriots. I dong remember the exact reason I gave you to as why I declined it but I can assure you it was because of what I just stated above. I wasn't trying to bullshit you or deceive you (why would i?).

Also I don't see how this trade stacking team matters. I feel like white was useless for me, so I tried to improve my team by trading him while he still held a lot of value. Also I don't see how this trade is that different from the saints-cards trade other than the fact that ras-I is a year behind and the trade is going to BV.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I've given up a ton of talent and.a ton of picks to get the guys.I've traded for. Sometimes it seems like you guys think these guys fell off the truck lol.[/QUOTE]

no but stop and look at the team you have...for all you've given up, nobody would know that u traded anything. I think thats what staticz' issue might be
 
If it makes you guys happy, I don't mind if you guys want to say I only win games because I have a stacked roster. Haha, maybe that's true. I'm not good enough to win the super bowl in this league, so making fun trades is my super bowl. All I ask is that we look at trades objectively, not just on the basis of "BV gets.everyone!" lol
 
[quote name='bvharris']I've given up a ton of talent and.a ton of picks to get the guys.I've traded for. Sometimes it seems like you guys think these guys fell off the truck lol.[/QUOTE]

Who are you trying to kid? You've got 21 players on your roster over 80. You have given up one player over 80 who might progress, a pick that might be good and two mid level players. In return you get an uber-elite WR and a solid CB that will fill your needs for the duration of this league.
 
[quote name='staticz']Who are you trying to kid? You've got 21 players on your roster over 80. You have given up one player over 80 who might progress, a pick that might be good and two mid level players. In return you get an uber-elite WR and a solid CB that will fill your needs for the duration of this league.[/QUOTE]

Dunta is not the cb you just described and I expect Edelman and the rg to be in the 80s by season 3.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']no but stop and look at the team you have...for all you've given up, nobody would know that u traded anything. I think thats what staticz' issue might be[/QUOTE]

You think that, I disagree. I know the pats roster up and down, I've given up lots of talent. I've never denied I started with a great roster, but I don't really think I should be punished for that. And all my trades are made to try and improve what I'm trying to do with my team, not "just to trade.". My biggest problem on offense this season was none of my receivers could get separation, and I made it my mission to address that.
 
[quote name='bvharris']If it makes you guys happy, I don't mind if you guys want to say I only win games because I have a stacked roster. Haha, maybe that's true. I'm not good enough to win the super bowl in this league, so making fun trades is my super bowl. All I ask is that we look at trades objectively, not just on the basis of "BV gets.everyone!" lol[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't see how the strength of BVs team has anything to do with the fairness of the trade....
 
[quote name='staticz']Who are you trying to kid? You've got 21 players on your roster over 80. You have given up one player over 80 who might progress, a pick that might be good and two mid level players. In return you get an uber-elite WR and a solid CB that will fill your needs for the duration of this league.[/QUOTE]

I'm not trying to kid anyone, the hostility isn't necessary. I'm good at putting together big packages to get stars, I'm not going to apologize for that. GB and I spent all day on this trade and are both happy with it, it doesn't seem like anyone even cares what he has to say.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']
Also I don't see how this trade stacking team matters. I feel like white was useless for me, so I tried to improve my team by trading him while he still held a lot of value. Also I don't see how this trade is that different from the saints-cards trade other than the fact that ras-I is a year behind and the trade is going to BV.[/QUOTE]

I believe progression numbers were given for all players involved.

[quote name='bvharris']All I ask is that we look at trades objectively, not just on the basis of "BV gets.everyone!" lol[/QUOTE]

It is, stop turning it into something else.

[quote name='gbpackers94']Dunta is not the cb you just described and I expect Edelman and the rg to be in the 80s by season 3.[/QUOTE]

Expect is the key word. BV knows what he is getting. You might not get anything. Sprice said Delmas would be a 90 this year, I believe Delmas lost points. Earl Thomas also stayed where he was at and people we falling all over for him because he was going to be a 'beast'
 
Honestly, I don't really get the "rich are always getting richer" argument. I mean - I had a HORRIBLE season with the Vikings and I am trying to do all I can to give my team a shot at a better season, but I also can't fault other people with better players than me for trying to improve their teams as well.

I was a part of the notorious AP trade last season. A lot of people had a huge problem with it, even though it was approved. I got tons of PM's telling me I was crazy for that trade, and to be honest I think a lot of the hostility was because only one person asked me about a possible AP trade, and nobody else thought of it first.

The trade worked out great for me. Haynesworth was stuffing a lot of running backs who we're trying to run inside on me. Truth be told I am horrible at running the ball and I was getting hardly any yards with AP, but when I got Woodhead I got a spark in my running game and before he got hurt, he was VERY productive in the run game, and also the passing game. Oh, that first round pick I got that BV got from the Bucs? I ended up getting Steve Smith, who will finally fill the star receiver spot that I didn't have all of last season.

So when you break it down : I lost a player who I clearly didn't know how to use correctly (AP) and gained an inside run stopper, an excellent back\reciever, and a number one wide out option which I was lacking. The trade may not have been popular, but it did work out greatly for me, even when a lot of people said the trade only favored BV.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Yeah, I don't see how the strength of BVs team has anything to do with the fairness of the trade....[/QUOTE]

It doesn't, and it shouldn't even be part of the discussion. But its not like I didn't anticipate this based on the debates after my previous deals. These guys are entitled to their opinions, I don't mind that. All I ask is we keep it civil. I wish we didn't have to go through this every time I make a trade, but I'm used to it. I really enjoy the give and take of working with someone to put together a deal, for me that's one of the most enjoyable parts of this league. I recognize that not everyone feels that way, but I think we should all be able to get out of this league what we want to, as long as we all play by the rules. The implications that I'm somehow gaming the system or abusing my authority are hurtful, but I try to not take it personally.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']It is weird. Almost every good fs dropped atleast 1point, I think it might be a bug or something.[/QUOTE]

Could be. Hell they could've increased! Didn't someone say that one of the ratings is actually wrong?

As far as the trade goes - if no one care about people sacking teams then whatever. Congrats to BV who, imo, just pulled off another steal to make his team even better.
 
That's literally my exact thinking superstar. And I agree BV, I enjoy trading more than actually playing the game, I've practically been refreshing this thread and my email every five minutes this entire night.
 
[quote name='Superstar']Honestly, I don't really get the "rich are always getting richer" argument. I mean - I had a HORRIBLE season with the Vikings and I am trying to do all I can to give my team a shot at a better season, but I also can't fault other people with better players than me for trying to improve their teams as well.

I was a part of the notorious AP trade last season. A lot of people had a huge problem with it, even though it was approved. I got tons of PM's telling me I was crazy for that trade, and to be honest I think a lot of the hostility was because only one person asked me about a possible AP trade, and nobody else thought of it first.

The trade worked out great for me. Haynesworth was stuffing a lot of running backs who we're trying to run inside on me. Truth be told I am horrible at running the ball and I was getting hardly any yards with AP, but when I got Woodhead I got a spark in my running game and before he got hurt, he was VERY productive in the run game, and also the passing game. Oh, that first round pick I got that BV got from the Bucs? I ended up getting Steve Smith, who will finally fill the star receiver spot that I didn't have all of last season.

So when you break it down : I lost a player who I clearly didn't know how to use correctly (AP) and gained an inside run stopper, an excellent back\reciever, and a number one wide out option which I was lacking. The trade may not have been popular, but it did work out greatly for me, even when a lot of people said the trade only favored BV.[/QUOTE]

This post deserves a gold medal. Honestly, that was a.fantastic deal for both of us, and nobody but us will ever realize it because I got the superstar. The Samuel trade is the same way, Branding Spikes progressed a ton this season (and Samuel regressed). But the name went the other way. Even if every single player gb gets here becomes a star, this will still be "when BV stole Roddy White" to some.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']That's literally my exact thinking superstar. And I agree BV, I enjoy trading more than actually playing the game, I've practically been refreshing this thread and my email every five minutes this entire night.[/QUOTE]

Haha me too man. It's worse for me since my comp is messed up and I'm doing all this on my phone.

I always think this whole debate is kind of insulting to the other person in the deal. You've been in this league as long as I have, I'm not any smarter than you and I don't know anything you don't. Im not some mad genius, nor do I have any magic trading dust. You got the players you wanted, I got the ones I wanted. It was a hell of a lot of fun in the process.
 
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Yeah I wasn't going to say anything but I don't appreciate how some of you guys are trying to make it look like I have no idea what I'm doing. BV and I spent 5 hours today and a few yesterday sending pms back and forth trying to work something out. In the end we both got players that we are happy with, and it is frustrating to hear you guys slamming the trade like we spent 5 minutes on it.
 
so you dont think I'm targeting you BV, u should ask Cru what I complain about more than anything when it comes to online leagues... as long as he's not being funny, he'll probably tell u it's people making ridiculous or unbalanced trades. ratings matter in this game and while dowling is good, he doesn't warrant roddy white... nobody coming from your team does. to get more in depth, I'm assuming u use the NE playbook, which means you don't have many plays designed for a deep threat. that offense is built around short passes and misdirection...which is why I had an issue with the AP trade. you've changed the entire dynamic of what the Patriots offense is which then begs the question, why switch to them in the first place? The Chargers had everything you've traded for...ok, mathews isn't AP, but they have the same run style and mathews is being effective. this is the stuff I look at when making trades and this is a big reason why I just didn't agree with the deals you've made.

I can't speak on the other side of the trades. I have only played superstar once and he had the jags when that happened. gbpackers has beaten me twice...once this year and once last year tries and in all the games I played against him, he passed more than he ran except for the last game. so iono where the "I can't pass" came from but if you say so homey.
 
Seriously. I made it clear that I was interested in a "quantity for quality" type deal. If you'd chosen to walk away right there I would have been fine with it. Instead you spent a ton of time with my roster and identified guys you liked and you think could do well in your system. That's exactly how I think trading in this league should work, rather than slapdash trades.tossed together in 5 minutes. And yet these big deals where both sides put so much effort in to finding common ground are crucified. It's disheartening.
 
I think my last trade had gotten lost in all this madness so here ya go:

DeAngelo Williams and the 14th pick goes to the Bengals for Cedric Benson and AJ Green
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']I cant pass anyways so it doesn't matter. Roddy had TWO tds for me last year. So basically I traded 2 tds for an improved oline, secondary, and a draft pick which will either help my oline or secondary even more. Not to mention the players I traded were getting old and starting to degrade, while the 3 players I got improve around ~5 points a year.[/QUOTE]

Your secondary doesn't improve until next year depending on progression. Your O-line really isn't that bad, LG at 84 and one at 81. Why not move one over to RG? The sucky RGs are there for depth.

If you're trying to win a Superbowl, you're going to need those star guys come postseason time. That was the reason I couldn't part with Bowe and acquired Miles Austin. You can't be one dimensional in the playoffs.
 
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