Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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Re-posting this for Uber:

[quote name='siradam134']Trade up for Review:

Patriots 1st Round Pick
Ras-I Dowling: 87 OVR CB, A Pot, 24 Yrs Old
Leigh Bodden: 71 OVR CB, B Pot, 31 Years Old

for

Dolphins:
Cameron Wake: 93 OVR ROLB, A POT, 30 yrs old
Derron Charles: 78 OVR CB, B Pot, 21 yrs Old
Jimmy Wilson: 76 OVR CB, B Pot, 27 Years Old[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='ubernes']4th seems too low. a 3rd would be okay. no one is getting a A potential player, even at 68 OVR in the 4th.[/QUOTE]

Chargers already traded their 3rd round pick in the Mike Williams deal.

I still think the Spikes deal was fair, though I realize I'm in the minority there.
 
If only some of these players were going out of the division and not just on another team!

Looks fair to me. Pats give up a good amount, but Wake could be a game changer for them.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Only reason I'm hesitant on that one is because Spikes will retire either this year or next year.[/QUOTE]

It seems like a trade you'd see in the MLB, not the NFL. I'm okay with it though.

This Ravens/Texans gave is proving that watching a curb stomping is much less interesting if its not your team. Yawn. :D
 
im with u on the spikes deal being fair. i also dont think the bucs/texans deal is as bad as some are making it out to be. no1 is saying its unfair for the leagues sake, there all saying tanabeo just shouldnt do it for his sake. who cares. if he wants to make the deal let him make it. what if quin was a A pot? then what would we be saying? hes 28 whether hes an A or a B hes not goin up mnuch more, but he is a good player. by making the trade he fills a need, and keeps a first round pick, i dont see the problem.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']im with u on the spikes deal being fair. i also dont think the bucs/texans deal is as bad as some are making it out to be. no1 is saying its unfair for the leagues sake, there all saying tanabeo just shouldnt do it for his sake. who cares. if he wants to make the deal let him make it. what if quin was a A pot? then what would we be saying? hes 28 whether hes an A or a B hes not goin up mnuch more, but he is a good player. by making the trade he fills a need, and keeps a first round pick, i dont see the problem.[/QUOTE]

I think the main thing was people wanted him to look at the personnel on his team first. But if there's anyone in this league who does like to run very specific things and get players to fit those schemes it's Tanabeo (I don't mean that in a bad way).

I'm still fine with the trade, but if Uber, MA and Doom can't get behind it as well I don't think we can let it through.
 
Jordan Cameron has all the makings of a starting TE, despite being 68 OVR. Great speed and acceleration as well as hands...and pretty decent blocking too. If I had him, I don't think I'd give him up for anything less than a 2nd rounder. A 3rd would be okay though I guess if the Browns really don't care to use him. If someone is 68 OVR A potential in their 3rd year in the NFL though, I don't think it's likely that he's going to ever get in the 80s...at least not for another few years. His progression will probably be pretty limited at this point. I think last year someone (uber?) drafted a 40 or 50-something OVR A potential CB in the first draft...correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he ever really developed into a starting-caliber CB. Although Cameron is a good deal higher than 40-50ish, he's in his 3rd season already...so expecting him to progress a ton at this point just because he's A potential is a little misguided I think. But even his stats as of now should warrant at the VERY least a 3rd rounder. I still think a 2nd rounder would be better though...

BTW has it been taking anyone else a long-ass time to "Post Quick Reply" lately?? Like the last few days at least...
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']
BTW has it been taking anyone else a long-ass time to "Post Quick Reply" lately?? Like the last few days at least...[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's not just you.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Maybe you should be trying to trade up? ;)[/QUOTE]
I got a stud FS i might be willing to part with but the asking price is super high, he' on par to be a 99-98 at some point, he is a 92 right now 1 year in.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']im with u on the spikes deal being fair. i also dont think the bucs/texans deal is as bad as some are making it out to be. no1 is saying its unfair for the leagues sake, there all saying tanabeo just shouldnt do it for his sake. who cares. if he wants to make the deal let him make it. what if quin was a A pot? then what would we be saying? hes 28 whether hes an A or a B hes not goin up mnuch more, but he is a good player. by making the trade he fills a need, and keeps a first round pick, i dont see the problem.[/QUOTE]

He fills a need that he doesn't need.

@Widow- I sent you a pm.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Yes, it's not just you.[/QUOTE]
Bro, you should see what using this website with Mac OS is like, the site does not respond nice to Mac OS.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I think the main thing was people wanted him to look at the personnel on his team first. But if there's anyone in this league who does like to run very specific things and get players to fit those schemes it's Tanabeo (I don't mean that in a bad way).

I'm still fine with the trade, but if Uber, MA and Doom can't get behind it as well I don't think we can let it through.[/QUOTE]

I already said I was fine with this one. I actually think Tanabeo is getting the better end of the deal.

[quote name='MasterAwesome']I think last year someone (uber?) drafted a 40 or 50-something OVR A potential CB in the first draft...correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he ever really developed into a starting-caliber CB.[/QUOTE]

Yup that was me. I was a CB whore (still am, I suppose), but I even played the guy a bunch in select packages to get him snaps (who knows if that helps progression) and he barely moved after 2-3 years.
 
[quote name='Doomtime']He fills a need that he doesn't need.
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Why are we going to start suddenly holding Tanabeo to this standard though? Again, this isn't to say anything negative about him, but this isn't the first trade he's made which a lot of us scratched our heads about.

He clearly has very specific things that he likes to run and gets players specifically for those types of formations.

I don't agree with that approach and I certainly don't think its effective, but that's what he likes to do.

If we reject the trade, it should be because its unfair on the merits.
 
so whats the word i dont understand whats up with this trade its like a split i mean personally i think spikes is a good trade im just confused at the value people are trying to put on certain players. so

im post the two possible trades together then.

chargers trade spike 86 mlb 36 b pot

browns trade jordan cameron 68 a pot te 25

or chargers trade 4rd for jordan cameron
 
I cannot wait to start Season 3 btw. I made a lot of minor tweaks (trades and FA pick ups) that I think are going to really payout this season. I've said this before, but I have an all new front 7 (besides Davis Harris) and I'm pretty pumped to test them out.

Sorry! The MLB talk had me thinking about it again haha.
 
can we come to some sort of ruling the two trades are
charger trade spike mlb 86 bpot 36

for jordan cameron 68 TE apot 25

or chargers trade fourth round pic for him
 
[quote name='ubernes']I cannot wait to start Season 3 btw. I made a lot of minor tweaks (trades and FA pick ups) that I think are going to really payout this season. I've said this before, but I have an all new front 7 (besides Davis Harris) and I'm pretty pumped to test them out.
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I can't wait either, I'm very excited to try out my new wrinkles.

Can the Dolphins or Jets break the Patriots' 2-season stranglehold on the East? We shall see. :D
 
[quote name='ubernes']I cannot wait to start Season 3 btw. I made a lot of minor tweaks (trades and FA pick ups) that I think are going to really payout this season. I've said this before, but I have an all new front 7 (besides Davis Harris) and I'm pretty pumped to test them out.

Sorry! The MLB talk had me thinking about it again haha.[/QUOTE]

David Harris for my 1st and Akeem dent. You know you want to.
 
I'd definitely be happier with the Spikes trade than the 4th round pick...I dunno how you could make that drastic of a jump in re-negotiating though lol.

And it's fine, I'll put my support behind that Bucs/Texans trade...I just feel bad for the rest of the AFC South. Ramesu got the 1st OVR pick in a steal, and now he's getting the 6th OVR pick in a hell of a bargain to say the least....this all being my opinion of course.
 
[quote name='sprice8688']its a fair trade everyone runs there own team so it should b his decisiin if it fills a need for his team[/QUOTE]

That's now how it works though. The review process is important, even if it's maddening sometimes. Even when I was pulling out my hair trying to get some of my blockbusters through, I was still glad we had this system in place.

In this case though I agree that it's fair, and I think in all cases where it's a close call as to whether the deal is fair, we should always give the benefit of the doubt to the owners.
 
So Spikes for Cameron? I suppose Spikes could be a rental, but I would say him as a 1-2 year rental is worth more than a 4th so I like that best.
 
I'm also fairly excited, though my division has been fairly quiet. Nothing from the Rams, minor trades from the Cards and myself, and the usual silence of the 49ers.

I just hope it is easier to schedule games with them winning the Superbowl, though in my opinion after having 5 subs his superbowl is questionable at best.
 
[quote name='bvharris']That's now how it works though. The review process is important, even if it's maddening sometimes. Even when I was pulling out my hair trying to get some of my blockbusters through, I was still glad we had this system in place.

In this case though I agree that it's fair, and I think in all cases where it's a close call as to whether the deal is fair, we should always give the benefit of the doubt to the owners.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I wish the haters let our ras-I trade through. Id rather have a ras-I over Tracy porter and the 1st round pick over those other scrubs. I think I would have even gotten a solid MLB.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I can't wait either, I'm very excited to try out my new wrinkles.

Can the Dolphins or Jets break the Patriots' 2-season stranglehold on the East? We shall see. :D[/QUOTE]

I hope so. I really put this team together with run D in mind, so let's hope it works.

[quote name='gbpackers94']David Harris for my 1st and Akeem dent. You know you want to.[/QUOTE]

That's actually not as bad as it initially looks. I could use another 1st as I have my eyes on a couple of guys I need, BUT... I don't know if I feel comfortable trading Harris. It would be like dealing Revis or Mangold.
 
[quote name='staticz']
I just hope it is easier to schedule games. After having 5 subs his superbowl is questionable at best.[/QUOTE]

Eh. I agree with hoping he's more communicative this season, but the playoffs in this league are such a gauntlet that winning it all is never questionable.
 
Well now you guys have me thinking about this one. I'm thinking the 4th may not be enough based on everyone's comments. I'm still interested in Spikes, but I'm thinking this might not work out or that I'd rather have higher draft picks.

damailman, I'm not sure if we'll get this sorted out before the draft. I'm thinking though we can try to still work a player for player trade after the draft though. Are you willing to go higher than a 4th round pick?
 
[quote name='bvharris']Eh. I agree with hoping he's more communicative this season, but the playoffs in this league are such a gauntlet that winning it all is never questionable.[/QUOTE]

See my edit. He lost several games, getting 5 free wins could've meant he lost a few more and missed the playoffs all together. Hindsight is what it is but having Doom as your sub...well I'm not getting into what is already in the past.

Plus, maybe he makes the playoffs in a different seed and faces different competition. Whatever you say I'm not buying a 5 sub team as the best in the league, superbowl or not, but I digress
 
Maybe I need to take the silence approach. Dealing with Al Davis type trades make me scratch my head more than I need to.

@staticz- I subbed one game against the Bengals. Deuce subbed and lost against the Giants. He had one game simmed against the Cards. I don't remember 5 sub games.
 
[quote name='staticz']Whatever you say I'm not buying a 5 sub team as the best in the league, superbowl or not, but I digress[/QUOTE]

The Super Bowl champ isn't always the best team in the league. Just as the 2007 Pats. :cry:

[quote name='staticz']Is he going to be at the draft? That would blow, hope everyone got confirmation ;)[/QUOTE]

Anyone who's trading their top picks had damned well better be at the draft.
 
yea this sucks ramesu is dealin right now. building a dream team of rookies. hopefully he will screw up and not make his pick in time and theyll draft him a punter or somethin
 
[quote name='BSETI50']yea this sucks ramesu is dealin right now. building a dream team of rookies. hopefully he will screw up and not make his pick in time and theyll draft him a punter or somethin[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Having two top 5 picks is absurd.
 
That's why we should really consider doing the draft through XFN in the future...then we don't have to worry about people who traded their picks away and not showing up to the draft. And more people would probably be able to make the draft if they could do it through the computer and not have it be buggy like trying to draft through the EASports site.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Yeah. Having two top 5 picks is absurd.[/QUOTE]

Absurdly smart.

Everyone knows my opinion on criticizing people for being aggressive and creative in trades.

Ramesu made a great deal, I wish I'd thought of it. Which is how a lot of people felt when I made the first deal for AP. Doesn't have any impact on the fairness of the trade.

I'll say this again: You can still get awesome players at #24. Last year the Ravens drafted Jamie Brooks at #23, and he's now a 90 OVR. Cobie Ross was the 30th pick in the draft, and he's now 93 OVR and probably the best second year player in the league.

The advantage of being at #5 is having your pick of the best, but there will still be great players at #24 if you know what you're doing.
 
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