Madden 12 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-Week 3 live. Deadline Monday night.

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[quote name='RamesuThe1']I meant someone subbing for me btw...If anyone can sub for me, I think DVO is avail tonight for most of the evening[/QUOTE]

i could sub for you
 
[quote name='augmog']i could sub for you[/QUOTE]

DVO said he'd be available between 5 and 9 central (6/10 est) I'll shoot him a PM to let him know I've got a sub...
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'd do it, but I play him next week so I doubt he'd want to let me get a sneak peak at his offense. :D[/QUOTE]

Or lack of offense :booty:
 
[quote name='RamesuThe1']DVO said he'd be available between 5 and 9 central (6/10 est) I'll shoot him a PM to let him know I've got a sub...[/QUOTE]

ok ill be online at 8pm eastern
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']IDK who i play this week but the colts are ready.[/QUOTE]


u play the bills this week
 
The Eagles get Win No. 1 of season, winning 38-7 over Bengals. That's the good news.

The bad news? LeSean McCoy out 12 weeks with dislocated hip. I think that means he'll return in Week 17. Damn.
 
Reds711 walks into Washington and gets a tough victory !!! he says he is gunna turn this season around !! 20-28 for 313 and 4 tds with no picks !!! & 71% comp rate!! gg Ball so hard
 
Building up the suspense on this Pats/Jets matchup! We couldn't pull it off today, but it looks like Thursday at 7pm we'll finally kick this thing off. I'd say "CAN'T WAIT!" but Bart Scott got traded in the offseason. K.J. Wright needs to step up with his own sound bite.
 
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ugh. fuck madden

Someone explain to me how a kicker who never missed last year and only one the previous year cannot hit the broad side of a fucking barn. Did I suddenly forget how to kick? Did they change the fucking rules. This game is so ridiculous sometimes.

Also, is it OK to pull a DE into the secondary on every play? Even in ranked games that is considered '$$$ d'
 
[quote name='staticz']Also, is it OK to pull a DE into the secondary on every play? Even in ranked games that is considered '$$$ d'[/QUOTE]

On every play? I don't know if I would say it's necessarily against the rules, but it's certainly frowned upon. Though with only facing 2, 3 man front (depending on the defensive set), I would imagine that leave you in a lot of trouble vs the run.

BV can weigh in here, as he's more of the rules master when it comes to these types of calls. I would just recommend that whoever did that, that they don't do it on every play, or even the majority of them.
 
Can you describe exactly what was done? Was it just a DE dropping into coverage, or literally pulling them back off the line before the snap?
 
[quote name='ballhawk20']Pmed tanebeo twice an no response!! He normally answers right back[/QUOTE]

He might be a work. I think he works till midnight or something odd.

[quote name='ubernes']On every play? I don't know if I would say it's necessarily against the rules, but it's certainly frowned upon. Though with only facing 2, 3 man front (depending on the defensive set), I would imagine that leave you in a lot of trouble vs the run.

BV can weigh in here, as he's more of the rules master when it comes to these types of calls. I would just recommend that whoever did that, that they don't do it on every play, or even the majority of them.[/QUOTE]

It is whatever. I'm not that concerned about it, just annoyed. You can't really run on it because since the DE is sitting back it is easy to shoot gaps and not get picked up. He isn't supposed to be there, so sometimes the dline acts like he isn't :) just like shake blitzing
 
Hmm every time I brought him back you where in shotgun mostly and the defense I was running he was a linebacker not a de even though he was on the line.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Can you describe exactly what was done? Was it just a DE dropping into coverage, or literally pulling them back off the line before the snap?[/QUOTE]

This:

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[quote name='GpNinja']Hmm every time I brought him back you where in shotgun mostly and the defense I was running he was a linebacker not a de even though he was on the line.[/QUOTE]
#94 is a LB....
 
#94 is Robert Quinn, he's a defensive end not a linebacker.

I would say no to that. If you want a 2 down linemen set, they exist already in the game.

If you want to drop guys into coverage off the line from time to time, that's fine. But you should leave your d-line on the line pre-snap.
 
You just said it was whatever and you went and took a pic? lol But I really don't think that proves anything I coulda accidently controlled the wrong guy I don't remember.
 
[quote name='GpNinja']You just said it was whatever and you went and took a pic? lol But I really don't think that proves anything I coulda accidently controlled the wrong guy I don't remember.[/QUOTE]

BV asked for me to explain. It was a bit hard to explain so I took a picture.

I'm sick of guys who resort to playing a ranked style in this league. My understanding was this was supposed to be a sim league. Dropping you DE back prior to the snap, stacking him on top of your other DE, etc. isn't sim ball in my opinion.
 
[quote name='staticz']Dropping you DE back prior to the snap, stacking him on top of your other DE, etc. isn't sim ball in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I agree. If you want to do that maybe one or two times in a game, it would be one thing. But I think if you're doing it all the time, just put another linebacker in and run a 2-man front.
 
but is not like its in unstopable people do stuff like that all the time thats basicaly like saying you cant drop ur linebacker back as deep as your corners. and stacking him is the smae thing people do with there linebackers when they run back and fourth before the play
 
Week 5: Dolphins @ Raiders

Dolphins: 24
Raiders: 14

Raiders Defense: 2 Sacks
Raiders Offense: 172 Yards Passing, 1 TD / 58 Rushing Yards, 1 TD

Miami's Defense: 5 Sacks, 1 Interception,1 Forced Fumble, 1 Fumble Recovery
Miami's Offense: 26 Yards Passing / 339 Yards Rushing, 3 TD

gg dead prez!
 
[quote name='damailman2272']but is not like its in unstopable people do stuff like that all the time[/QUOTE]

Where? Ranked matches? I've never seen people doing that in this league.

[quote name='GpNinja']Just to throw that out there I have Quinn and a backup Linebacker also.[/QUOTE]

I don't see how that changes anything.
 
Just to give my 2 cents: I absolutely cannot STAND when people put 9 men in coverage. One guy in my other league does it constantly throughout the game (although he runs the actual defensive formation with only 2 linemen rushing the QB) and I literally cannot find a single way to expose it. He plays 9 men in zone coverage and nothing seems to work against it. You'd think you would be able to run against it, but nope...my HB is lucky to average 3 yards a carry. People say "oh use a HB draw play" but nope...the guy can easily shoot the gap with the linebacker he's usering and stop me for a loss. Other people say "just run it with your QB" but you're lucky to get 5 yards cause with so many people in zone coverage...one of them is bound to meet the QB whichever way he's scrambling. And with only 2 men rushing, you would think you'd have plenty of time to sit in the pocket and pass it...but the AI is obviously dumb in this game so instead of there being 2 o-linemen beasting on each defender rushing the QB (with a 5th guy thrown in for good measure), there is really more like 1 o-linemen on each guy with 3 just sitting there with their arms out waiting to pick up an imaginary blitzer. There have been times where I've had 3 seconds to throw with only 2 mediocre linemen rushing...which is pathetic. I personally think that defense is exploitative and it works 2 million times better in Madden than it ever would in real life.

And the previously aforementioned dirtbag in my other league that runs that 9-man coverage defense has by far the best ranked defense in the league according to XFN, so don't think "oh you just don't know how to counter it". In his 2 seasons in the league, he won the first superbowl the first time and lost IN the superbowl the second. He's definitely above average skill-wise, but I assure you he's not good enough on his own to get past the wildcard in that league. He basically gets a free ride to the superbowl solely on the back of that ONE defensive play. I admit other people have had success against it, but those instances are very scarce and I'm sure you would need basically everything to go right in order to counter it.

So that's how I feel about that play....I will hope and pray with all my might that we decide not to allow the REGULAR use of that play in this league :( (I don't mind it being used every now and then)
 
yea doing that gives u a shot to hit the gaps without moving ur linebacker and messes up the lineman... there are some plays where d lineman drop back but do it after the snap
 
i dont see the problem, hes rushing 2 guys. from my exeperience, u just need to wait, guys wont be open initially, but if u can withstand the two man rush someone will get open most likely deep over the middle. i would also recomend HB draws. i would also try to attack whatever zone robert quinn is covering. i donno just my opinion but im 0-5 so who really cares what i think haha. i used to think that if ur playing against a qb who cant run, just drop all 11 into coverage but it doesnt work, guys eventually get open. i would rather rush 6 and play man than do that.
 
[quote name='sprice8688']yea doing that gives u a shot to hit the gaps without moving ur linebacker and messes up the lineman... there are some plays where d lineman drop back but do it after the snap[/QUOTE]


[quote name='MasterAwesome']
So that's how I feel about that play....I will hope and pray with all my might that we decide not to allow the REGULAR use of that play in this league :( (I don't mind it being used every now and then)[/QUOTE]

Assuming uber agrees, that will indeed be the ruling here.

If you want to rush only 2, there are formations with 2 down linemen (2-4-5 nickel comes to mind), or alternatively it's alright if you audible a rushing lineman into coverage. I do that myself sometimes if someone is having a lot of success right over the middle. I don't think you should do these things all the time, but they're at least fine to run semi-regularly.

Pulling a lineman out of the formation and back away from the line of scrimmage isn't the same, especially if you're going to then rush the passer with him anyway. As sprice said, I could see how this would unrealistically confuse the O-line since the AI might not pick up the right guy to block (I'm assuming that's what happened in this game as well).

Please remove that play from your repertoire.
 
[quote name='ubernes']On every play? I don't know if I would say it's necessarily against the rules, but it's certainly frowned upon. Though with only facing 2, 3 man front (depending on the defensive set), I would imagine that leave you in a lot of trouble vs the run.

BV can weigh in here, as he's more of the rules master when it comes to these types of calls. I would just recommend that whoever did that, that they don't do it on every play, or even the majority of them.[/QUOTE]
Maybe run off tackles right at the end who is dropping back, gash him a few times and you won't have any issues.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Assuming uber agrees, that will indeed be the ruling here.

If you want to rush only 2, there are formations with 2 down linemen (2-4-5 nickel comes to mind), or alternatively it's alright if you audible a rushing lineman into coverage. I do that myself sometimes if someone is having a lot of success right over the middle. I don't think you should do these things all the time, but they're at least fine to run semi-regularly.

Pulling a lineman out of the formation and back away from the line of scrimmage isn't the same, especially if you're going to then rush the passer with him anyway. As sprice said, I could see how this would unrealistically confuse the O-line since the AI might not pick up the right guy to block (I'm assuming that's what happened in this game as well).

Please remove that play from your repertoire.[/QUOTE]
BV, when we played you hit me with a bunch of NANO blitzes that automatically confuse lines.
 
In the Broncos defensive playbook, there's a play in the standard nickel that actually drops the two ends into coverage and only rushes the DTs. Am I still good to use that once in a while?
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']BV, when we played you hit me with a bunch of NANO blitzes that automatically confuse lines.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, no I didn't at all. If you're going to throw those types of accusations around you'd better be able to back them up. My manual control/shifting of a linebacker is not nano blitzing, we've discussed it in this thread before. You clearly have no clue what nano blitzing is.

Not to mention, I sacked your QB exactly 0 times in that game. Basically, you're just bitter I stomped you. That's fine, but keep your accusatory trash to yourself.

[quote name='KasterDB']In the Broncos defensive playbook, there's a play in the standard nickel that actually drops the two ends into coverage and only rushes the DTs. Am I still good to use that once in a while?[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's fine. It's not about rushing 2, but just pulling back linemen before the snap.
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']Maybe run off tackles right at the end who is dropping back, gash him a few times and you won't have any issues.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't work. When the d pulls the guy back your tackle follows him creating more issues.
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']BV, when we played you hit me with a bunch of NANO blitzes that automatically confuse lines.[/QUOTE]

I hope you can prove that. Half the people that play Madden don't even know what a damn nano is.
 
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