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John Skelton is on the cardinals trade block now.

25 years old. 1 year remaining on his contract for 590k. 96 TP, 79 SAC, 77 MAC, 77 DAC, 72 SPD, 74 AGIL, 75 ACCEL

I'm also willing to part with my 2nd and 3rd round pick. Both should be 24th in their respective rounds.
 
just a heads up to chetty and hem if our trades ends up going thru before 9 p.m central i wont be around tonight after that time i will be off getting hammed with guys from my platoon/company and the morning wont work either for i will be hung over as a mother fucker
 
Trade for review :

49ers send :

Vernon Davis TE 90 ovr 29yrs of age / 2013- 6.13M / 3 years left

Mario Manningham WR 80 ovr 28yrs of age /2013- 4.39M/ 1 year left

Colin Kaepernick QB 75 ovr 25 yrs of age /2013- 1.36M/ 2 years left


Redskins send :

Robert Griffin 3rd QB 84 ovr 23 yrs of age /2013-4.64/ 3 years left
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']Trade for review :

49ers send :

Vernon Davis TE 90 ovr 29yrs of age / 2013- 6.13M / 3 years left

Mario Manningham WR 80 ovr 28yrs of age /2013- 4.39M/ 1 year left

Colin Kaepernick QB 75 ovr 25 yrs of age /2013- 1.36M/ 2 years left


Redskins send :

Robert Griffin 3rd QB 84 ovr 23 yrs of age /2013-4.64/ 3 years left[/QUOTE]

wow really thats alot RGIII is good but i dont think hes that good
 
[quote name='bvharris']I'm pretty sure the Browns have the #1 pick in the draft, so you'll have that going for you too.

Also a metric ton of cap room, so make sure you make some FA offers once you get in.[/QUOTE]

Jags should have #1 pick
 
[quote name='DVO21']wow really thats alot RGIII is good but i dont think hes that good[/QUOTE]

Rg3 speed is 93 which is faster than 80% of rb and 93 Thr power throw on the run 96 plus this would change the 49ers whole offense
 
Chetty, could you provide a bit more insight into the Cardinals end of the three-way deal? That's the part I'm having trouble with in deciding on that one.
 
[quote name='Man2008']Rg3 speed is 93 which is faster than 80% of rb and 93 Thr power throw on the run 96 plus this would change the 49ers whole offense[/QUOTE]

ya i agree with the fact that it would change his whole offense but he wont always be throwing on the run a V davis is a monster and manningham isnt horrible. but whats griffins sac mac and dac
 
Ok first, the reason I was willing to give up the first is because it was toward the end of round one, so honestly for me the value in it isn't that high. Then I know on the surface there isn't a big overall difference between Beanie Wells and Martin but Wells is the opposite of the type of RB that I like. Low acceleration and catch make him pretty close to useless to me. Those are two categories that Martin is high in, not to mention the contract situation. Martin still has three years on an affordable deal while I'd probably lose Wells after this year. Then I get the increase at receiver with Williams over floyd. And the third was added to try and even things out.
 
[quote name='DVO21']ya i agree with the fact that it would change his whole offense but he wont always be throwing on the run a V davis is a monster and manningham isnt horrible. but whats griffins sac mac and dac[/QUOTE]

Don't quote me but I think 82 84 87 with the 93 Thr power the only bad thing is his awareness and his injury is like 95
 
[quote name='Man2008']Don't quote me but I think 82 84 87 with the 93 Thr power the only bad thing is his awareness and his injury is like 95[/QUOTE]

well 95 for thoughs to really arent that bad his sac isnt great and neither is his med but that be easy to make alot better but his dac is pretty amazing
 
Since I post rg3 might be leaving Washington I received 8 or 9 pm but no name involved except from cru and u see what he is willing to give up !!!!
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']Trade for review :

49ers send :

Vernon Davis TE 90 ovr 29yrs of age / 2013- 6.13M / 3 years left

Mario Manningham WR 80 ovr 28yrs of age /2013- 4.39M/ 1 year left

Colin Kaepernick QB 75 ovr 25 yrs of age /2013- 1.36M/ 2 years left


Redskins send :

Robert Griffin 3rd QB 84 ovr 23 yrs of age /2013-4.64/ 3 years left[/QUOTE]

Trade Rejected

I probably don't need to say why, since it's pretty obvious, but this is an insane overpay for just RGIII. Back to the drawing board.
 
[quote name='Man2008']But Bart Scott is only worth a 4th round pick fuck out of her[/QUOTE]

Bitching about it will make no difference. You can't have honestly expected this trade to have any chance of passing.
 
In reference to my trade I don't believe it is an extreme overpay I felt like I'm getting a top QB in the league for a top tight end and two back ups which the two back ups are there because my tight end is almost 30 yrs old and If you look at stats Manningham did nothing for me at all so I wouldn't ball him that good plus I am freeing up free agent money that was my whole standpoint on the offer it wasn't as if man2008 demanded those players of me those were players I was looking to move and I am filling what seems to be my biggest issue when playing top opponents I'm this league.

Sorry for late reply I'm not home
 
[quote name='bvharris']Chetty, could you provide a bit more insight into the Cardinals end of the three-way deal? That's the part I'm having trouble with in deciding on that one.[/QUOTE]


if the committee feels chetty is not getting enough in return, i am willing to give a pick to chetty to try and help even it out.
 
i also would be willing to send a 5th rounder to chetty even though i do feel the trade is pretty even i would do wut it takes to make the trade go thru since all 3 parties really want this
 
[quote name='bvharris']Trade Rejected

I probably don't need to say why, since it's pretty obvious, but this is an insane overpay for just RGIII. Back to the drawing board.[/QUOTE]

i dont think its an overpay, if anything i think the cru should send a first round pick over too. were talkin about rg3. him and luck should be untouchable. but since theyre not, whoever wants em should have to give up the farm
 
[quote name='bvharris']Trade Rejected

I probably don't need to say why, since it's pretty obvious, but this is an insane overpay for just RGIII. Back to the drawing board.[/QUOTE]


Wow....I completely disagree. Anyone who's ever used him in this game understands how awesome he is. If anything Cru is underpaying for RG3. The only "good" player he's losing is Vernon Davis. Look at what Washington gave up for him in real life and consider that each of those 1st round picks could very well be in the top 10.
 
[quote name='BSETI50']i dont think its an overpay, if anything i think the cru should send a first round pick over too. were talkin about rg3. him and luck should be untouchable. but since theyre not, whoever wants em should have to give up the farm[/QUOTE]


i think RG3 is worth a lot but untouchable i dont think so.
 
I agree with besti this is fair looking at Washington doesn't have any draft picks to improve their roster and as long as I been in the league I've seen Patrick Peterson take a haul last year so what is so different with this deal.....

Honestly I think we should be discussing this Vincent Jackson deal
 
The difference is that it's not Madden 12 anymore. In Madden 12 a player like Griffin (or Luck, as BSETI mentioned) would advance in a predictable manner and be a guaranteed no doubt superstar by their second or third year. That's not the way Madden 13 works, progression is no longer automatic nor is it constant. In the initial roster update Griffin was an 83 overall, he's currently an 84. In Madden 12 he probably would already be a 90. So these guys aren't the untouchable sure things they would have been in Madden 12. That doesn't mean they're not valuable, but I think it's important that we evaluate these deals on the basis of how progression works in Madden 13, not how it worked in Madden 12.

No doubt Griffin is great, and I know everyone loves him (including me, I watch him every week and he's carrying my fantasy team this year) but he's not Aaron Rodgers yet. Nor is he Cam Newton (in Madden terms, he's barely stepped into Cam's neighborhood).

We've got to evaluate these trades on their merits in-game, not on how exciting the player is. The committee thought it was too much to give up for just RGIII.
 
The Trade Committee Has Voted, And the Trade has been Deemed NOT WORTHY.

Back to the Drawing Board Guys.

In Other News:

We'll be advancing to week 3 of free agent signings at 10pm EST tonight. You've Been Warned.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The difference is that it's not Madden 12 anymore. In Madden 12 a player like Griffin (or Luck, as BSETI mentioned) would advance in a predictable manner and be a guaranteed no doubt superstar by their second or third year. That's not the way Madden 13 works, progression is no longer automatic nor is it constant. In the initial roster update Griffin was an 83 overall, he's currently an 84. In Madden 12 he probably would already be a 90. So these guys aren't the untouchable sure things they would have been in Madden 12. That doesn't mean they're not valuable, but I think it's important that we evaluate these deals on the basis of how progression works in Madden 13, not how it worked in Madden 12.

No doubt Griffin is great, and I know everyone loves him (including me, I watch him every week and he's carrying my fantasy team this year) but he's not Aaron Rodgers yet. Nor is he Cam Newton (in Madden terms, he's barely stepped into Cam's neighborhood).

We've got to evaluate these trades on their merits in-game, not on how exciting the player is. The committee thought it was too much to give up for just RGIII.[/QUOTE]

Thats insane...I haven't used Cam on madden yet so I can't comment on that part but considering the new way the ratings are done, the overall rating is far more dynamic than it has been previously and an 84 rating doesn't at all reflect the type of player Griffin is in-game. Cru is getting a steal for a star TE and two backups....
 
I'd like to know what the numbers were in favor or against the trade amongst the committee....not who voted how just the numbers
 
[quote name='RamesuThe1']Thats insane...I haven't used Cam on madden yet so I can't comment on that part but considering the new way the ratings are done, the overall rating is far more dynamic than it has been previously and an 84 rating doesn't at all reflect the type of player Griffin is in-game. Cru is getting a steal for a star TE and two backups....[/QUOTE]

We don't just look at overall. Griffin's accuracy ratings are 82-84-87 which is definitely decent, but it's not top tier by any means. Griffin's running ability no doubt adds to his value, but as a passer right now he's got basically the same stats as Brock Osweiler. As for the "backups", we've never looked at how the players are used by the trading team when evaluating the deal. We look at their Madden value. Besides, they're not going to be backups on the Redskins.
 
So in reference to the trade what if the redskins were willing to offer a 2014 4th round pick? And also also looking at RG3 in my scheme he would be a 86 Overall and manningham would be a 76 in the redskins set
 
[quote name='RamesuThe1']I'd like to know what the numbers were in favor or against the trade amongst the committee....not who voted how just the numbers[/QUOTE]

We haven't done this for any other trade and we're not going to start now. Suffice to say it didn't get enough votes to pass, that's the important thing.

[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']So in reference to the trade what if the redskins were willing to offer a 2014 4th round pick? And also also looking at RG3 in my scheme he would be a 86 Overall and manningham would be a 76 in the redskins set[/QUOTE]

Every trade is going to have little differences like that, which is why we don't just look at the overall ratings.

As for whether it would make a difference, I really can't say since that would be up to each committee member. You're welcome to submit that version though.

I know it's unusual for us to reject a deal so quickly, and that might be part of the strong reaction, but honestly we probably did you guys a favor rather than dragging it out. This way you can work on a different deal before we advance too far into FA.
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']Trade for review :

49ers send :

Vernon Davis TE 90 ovr 29yrs of age / 2013- 6.13M / 3 years left

Mario Manningham WR 80 ovr 28yrs of age /2013- 4.39M/ 1 year left

Colin Kaepernick QB 75 ovr 25 yrs of age /2013- 1.36M/ 2 years left


Redskins send :

Robert Griffin 3rd QB 84 ovr 23 yrs of age /2013-4.64/ 3 years left[/QUOTE]

I voted no based on the fact that the 49ers are clearing out over 7 million in cap space and getting a QB back that has the potential to be great. Manningham may be a scrub for Cru but he would start on several teams (obviously Washington) same goes for Kaepernick. The argument that Washington doesn't have any draft picks isn't valid. We knew well in advance that traded picks were in the game and that was just part of having the Skins.

We've never passed a 3 for 1 deal. Not even Adrian Peterson pulled that kind of haul. Vick, who is pretty much the same player but older, only pulled a evenly rated safety.
 
Let's not forget in all the (deserved) praise for RGIII how awesome Vernon Davis is. He's not only the fastest TE in the game and one of the best pass catchers, but he's one of the best run blockers too. I know nobody is denying he's a star, but he's really a super star.
 
So if draft picks were included by redskins would a 4th suffice and if not what caliber of player would you suggest the redskins include bv in your personal opinion?
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']So if draft picks were included by redskins would a 4th suffice and if not what caliber of player would you suggest the redskins include bv in your personal opinion?[/QUOTE]

I don't think a 4th would suffice for me, no. I can't say for sure how the rest of the committee would feel though.

As for a player going back, I can't really say. If the deal were Davis and Kaepernick for RGIII (or just Davis) I probably would have had to think about it more. I don't think the Redskins need to send back Orakpo or anything, but another solid player wouldn't hurt the deal.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']Ok first, the reason I was willing to give up the first is because it was toward the end of round one, so honestly for me the value in it isn't that high. Then I know on the surface there isn't a big overall difference between Beanie Wells and Martin but Wells is the opposite of the type of RB that I like. Low acceleration and catch make him pretty close to useless to me. Those are two categories that Martin is high in, not to mention the contract situation. Martin still has three years on an affordable deal while I'd probably lose Wells after this year. Then I get the increase at receiver with Williams over floyd. And the third was added to try and even things out.[/QUOTE]

I get the Wells/Martin part, but I'm curious why you feel Williams is an upgrade over Floyd? Looking at their receiving attributes it looks like a wash at best to me, but I'd probably rate Floyd a bit higher.
 
[quote name='bvharris']We don't just look at overall. Griffin's accuracy ratings are 82-84-87 which is definitely decent, but it's not top tier by any means. Griffin's running ability no doubt adds to his value, but as a passer right now he's got basically the same stats as Brock Osweiler. As for the "backups", we've never looked at how the players are used by the trading team when evaluating the deal. We look at their Madden value. Besides, they're not going to be backups on the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

what is osweiler progression set on??? I am pretty sure RG3 is set on superstar. The reason why RG3 didnt progress as much is because if you look at his stats he was better on the ground than the air....not because RG isnt good but for the simply fact that Man likes to play the ball instead of pass. I say this because my starting SS christian thompson went from a 69 to a 76 in one season and he was a 5th round rookie
 
[quote name='bvharris']We haven't done this for any other trade and we're not going to start now. Suffice to say it didn't get enough votes to pass, that's the important thing.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we should start...transparency is important.
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']man waiting to hear if my trade have been approved or denied is killing me lol[/QUOTE]

its going to get approved dont worry about it lol
 
Ramesu,

Trades Are Approved on a Majority Basis. IF it doesn't have the majority vote, it fails.

We're not swindling anybody here. Trades are discussed daily, tracked on a spreadsheet, and voted on fairly.

Let's stop Right here and now with the "Transparency is important"

This is Madden. Not the POTUS election.
 
The only thing I'd look at in young players being traded is the rate of xp trait (normal - fast - superstar that is as close as you get to the old potential rating system. You can raise that stat but it costs a LOT and by doing so are raising 0 other stats in the process. A player with fast or superstar already unlocked should be worth more. Just my outsider opinion there.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I get the Wells/Martin part, but I'm curious why you feel Williams is an upgrade over Floyd? Looking at their receiving attributes it looks like a wash at best to me, but I'd probably rate Floyd a bit higher.[/QUOTE]

I haven't actually compared Williams and Floyd side by side. But Williams was a 79 in my scheme and Floyd a 72, and I knew they were similar receivers. Honestly, it was a minor part of the trade for me. Getting the runningback to build my offense around was the important part, especially considering I was barely able to run for 1000 yards as a team last year.
 
[quote name='theredworm']The only thing I'd look at in young players being traded is the rate of dp trait (normal - fast - superstar that is as close as you get to the old potential rating system. You can raise that stat but it costs a LOT and by doing so are raising 0 other stats in the process. A player with fast or superstar already unlocked should be worth more. Just my outsider opinion there.[/QUOTE]

It definitely should be, and we do consider that. But the difference between "Superstar" and "Fast" development isn't anywhere close to what the difference between "A" and "B" potential was in Madden 12.

Von Miller has Superstar for example, and while he does earn higher XP it's not a world-shattering amount of difference.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']I haven't actually compared Williams and Floyd side by side. But Williams was a 79 in my scheme and Floyd a 72, and I knew they were similar receivers. Honestly, it was a minor part of the trade for me. Getting the runningback to build my offense around was the important part, especially considering I was barely able to run for 1000 yards as a team last year.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification.

We should have a decision for you gents shortly.
 
[quote name='siradam134']Ramesu,

Trades Are Approved on a Majority Basis. IF it doesn't have the majority vote, it fails.

We're not swindling anybody here. Trades are discussed daily, tracked on a spreadsheet, and voted on fairly.

Let's stop Right here and now with the "Transparency is important"

This is Madden. Not the POTUS election.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Fero....my question still isn't answered and the rationale that "we haven't done it before" is hardly sufficient in my opinion. It makes it seem like you have something to hide, I couldn't care less if you do or not. I just wanted to know how many of the trade committee members voted for and against...I don't understand why thats being treated like an outlandish request. I'm not accusing any of you of any wrong doing or swindling...but you guys are making it seem like you're hiding something.
 
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