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[quote name='LVPatriots']Congratulations on all of your first downs.

Get one more next time and you wont have to come on here complaining and waste your precious time.[/QUOTE]

Lol flawed logic. I did get another first down after converting a 3rd and 1 with 1:55 remaining in the game. You just kept calling timeouts as I was trying to kneel to get the ball back for no reason. You definitely weren't gonna come back so idk why you couldn't just let me end the game. I should've just ran it and scored again. Lol I don't really care but I'm saying next time just let me end the damn game.
 
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[quote name='Doomtime']Or you could, you know, be a good sport and let the game end. Real NFL coaches right? :roll:[/QUOTE]

Exactly
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Or you could, you know, be a good sport and let the game end. Real NFL coaches right? :roll:[/QUOTE]

This. No NFL coach is going to call their timeouts there, if anything they'd use them earlier when the game was still in doubt. All calling them there does is extend the game and increase the chance of injury. If someone did that to me I'd pause the game and make them wait while I take out every single starter down to the last O-lineman.
 
What's even worse is the "running up the score" argument that would be happening if Doo Mane had scored after that. Hell, he should have called a play action pass.
 
Jets beat the falcons in the craziest game i've ever played i wish i had staticz recorder for this game. it was a horse race to the finish. As the first quarter was huge for both teams but the falcons slowed down in the 2nd while the jets kept going in the 3rd quarter both teams slowed down. and in the 4th it was another big quarter falcons scored 2 TDs un answered then the jets scored again and it just kept going back and fourth from there till the end where the jets took the knees and finished the game.

final score jets 73 falcons 63

i had a kick return where my guy broke 4 tackles and took it to the house.
Jets TE broke 6 tackles one right after another and took it 81 yards for a TD.
Jets running back was barely touched all game.
Julio jones and mike wallace made small plays into big ones with there speed.
i think what helped me the most on offense is last week when i played the bucs i started using a new playbook which i really like and after this game i plan to stick with it.

matt ryan had 752 yards 8 TDs 3 INTs
matt schaub 334 yards 4 TDs 1 INT

Aerion Boudreaux 31 carries 445 yards 5 TDS

Mike Wallace 5 catches 232 yards 2TDs
Julio Jones 5 catches 333 yards 4 TDs
Dontravious Brown 2 catches 104 yards 1TD
Dustin Keller 5 catches 216 yards 4 TDs

GG tiger although i'm not a big fan of the horse race styled games this was alot of fun considering all the crazy plays. i think we both need to practice defense ALOT.
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']I see we have some XP farmers in the last season.[/QUOTE]

bvharris likes this post.

So ridiculous, that's not football. You'd think at some point in 4 seasons people would learn to play a bit of defense.
 
Man.. I am HORRIBLE at defense and I don't think I've had someone put up that amount of points on me. Maybe people feel sorry for me and stop scoring on purpose. :p
 
[quote name='Superstar']Man.. I am HORRIBLE at defense and I don't think I've had someone put up that amount of points on me. Maybe people feel sorry for me and stop scoring on purpose. :p[/QUOTE]
ive had the 32nd ranks defense since week 1
 
[quote name='Superstar']Man.. I am HORRIBLE at defense and I don't think I've had someone put up that amount of points on me. Maybe people feel sorry for me and stop scoring on purpose. :p[/QUOTE]

ya i've had some pretty high scoring games on me... ive never socred this much against anyone before other than online ranked games. at the start of the season chetty could have 100 on me if he wanted to and could have kept passing and alot of others in the past as well.

one thing about this game i noticed was when i was scouting was his pass defense was last in the league so i took advantage of that and well ive never been good as defending the run as much as the pass. i lead the league in sacks and im up there in INT but he ran alot. so our attacks and what we both are good at is what the other person is horrible at defending.

i'm hoping my offense keeps rolling like this though. one thing that has been helping is ive been asking around about how to improve in things and have been getting advice from people on how to improve.
 
[quote name='bvharris']bvharris likes this post.

So ridiculous, that's not football. You'd think at some point in 4 seasons people would learn to play a bit of defense.[/QUOTE]


^^ this.

752 yards for a QB and 445 yards for a running back are ridiculous numbers.

This shit's stupid.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']The leading rusher is less than 30 yards from having more yards than the leading passer....just saying[/QUOTE]

What's your point
 
[quote name='Yo Soy El Tiger']What's your point[/QUOTE]

i think becuz ur the leading rusher that he may be pointing out that ur very good at running the ball possibly. i dont think he is trying to slam u
 
Im not stating he's good at rushing. Im not stating anything about him. Ive never played him. If he chooses to get defensive about me stating a fact that something is out of the ordinary then thats his choice.
 
[quote name='bvharris']So ridiculous, that's not football. You'd think at some point in 4 seasons people would learn to play a bit of defense.[/QUOTE]

your right its Madden. and only amazing crazy defensive stats are allowed like 8 picks as team in a game or even 6 INTs for one player in a game or 8 sacks by one player. but we shouldnt be trying as hard on offense as we should on defense.

real nfl team lead the league with 24 INTs in 16 games
our leagues leader is 25 INTs in 6 games
also ridiculous but is considered ok to do

if there was a game where the score was 0-3 at the end and one team had 10 picks and the other team had 5 fumble recoveries and 4 picks and a 100 yards a piece have anything said about other than wow guyes that was a game of killer defense?

if very apparent that tiger and I arent good at defense. and what hes good at on offense i'm even worst at on defense and what i'm good at on offense hes horrible at in defense. now theres people in this league that could score 100 points on me more than likely if they didnt have to let up. but when the games close u can't expect to us just give up on what working. if so i guess next time i'm done i will only run when i should be passing
 
You can't apply the same logic to defensive stats as offensive stats because defensive stats are largely accumulated by the AI. You can control every facet of your offense in this game (by choosing to run it with your HB, pass it to a certain player, etc.), but what are you supposed to do on defense to avoid those insane stats? Switch to your CB at the last second and run him away from the ball to avoid intercepting it? Change to your DE at the last second and dive him to the ground to avoid getting sacks? You can't help it if your opponent forces passes into coverage or holds onto the ball too long when he's passing. The only thing that would be a red flag as far as defensive stats go I think, is if you blitz the same player over and over again if he's not a designed pass-rusher. So if your SS has like 30 sacks on the season or something like that, then that would be a different story.

Not that I really have a problem with the way the Falcons/Jets game went, since it was a close game so they had to roll with whatever offense was giving them the most success. As long as they weren't purposely giving up scores on offense so that their own offense could come back out and accumulate more XP...which could be possible considering there were 4 different receivers averaging 45-60ish yards per reception which is ridiculous lol. Wouldn't you try to adjust by switching to a Dime or Quarter D at some point? Since DVO didn't post his rushing yardage, I'm assuming his HB was a non-factor with him airing it out all game, so allowing 750 yards passing is a head-scratcher. A running game can be much harder to stop so I don't blame DVO for allowing so much yardage from the Jets' HB. This is his 3rd 400+ yard rushing game so he's obviously figured out how to get a lot of success as a runner. I know from personal experience that some games you just cannot stop the run for the life of you. Anything you try, the o-line AI just opens up gaping holes all over the field and you just can't get a hand on the HB. Passing in my opinion is different though, cause as long as you run a standard Dime or Quarter 2-man Under, your DBs should at the VERY least be in a position to tackle the WR as soon as he catches the ball, limiting their ypc. There's no way you allow 40-60 ypc from 3 different receivers running a Dime or Quarter D as long as you're not blitzing the house.

But I'm just saying these unrealistic defensive stats are largely unavoidable while the offensive ones can be controlled fairly easily. So you can't really question those defensive stats the way people have been questioning some of these insane HB/WR/QB yardages.
 
[quote name='DVO21'] but when the games close u can't expect to us just give up on what working. if so i guess next time i'm done i will only run when i should be passing[/QUOTE]

The Problem is that 90% of the time "What's Working" falls into one of a few categories:

A. Cheese
B. Exploiting the Defense
C. Motion Plays That Abuse Maddens Logic.

This is why high scoring games are frowned upon.

I'm going to give you an example, and hope it sinks in.

Doomtime was by far the best rushing player we've ever had in this league.

In 2014 Foster ran 313 times for 3042 yards for 9.7 YPC for 41 TD.

in 2013 Foster ran 294 times for 2,911 yards for 9.9 YPC for 46 TD.

in 2012 Foster ran 244 times for 2,116 yards for 8.7 YPC for 37 TD

I'll remind you, this is our League Leader. over and over again.

He went up every year, but atleast these are SOMEWHAT realistic numbers (2012 being the closest to realistic)

Now let's move on to the Jets Aerion Boudreaux.

In 7 games he's ran 142 times for 1741 yards for 12.3 YPC for 16 TD

If we take this sample data and fast forward 9 games.

He'll Average out at 324 carries for 3980 yards for 12.3 YPC for 37 TD.

This is more yards than most Qb's will see in a single season.

I don't mean to pick on you yo so el tiger, but frankly, i've been holding this in since your first game in the league. You ran the ball 23 times and only Completed 2 Passes in that game.

But since i'm picking on people, Let's pick on you too, dvo.

You ran the ball once for 2 yards in your game against tiger.

There's got to be some balance here, guys.


If this is the way we're going to continue to play madden(not just limiting this statement to tiger and dvo, this is a very broad comment), i'm honestly going to consider removing myself from this league moving forward.

Some of you guys play Madden like you don't give a shit about the integrity of the game, all you care about is winning. And I for one am tired of it.
 
A. I've never been accused of using cheese
B. if i could exploit i'd more than likely win more games than i do.
C. i never motion my WRs or TEs

maybe we both played straight up and couldnt defend what the other person was doing and got lucky on a few plays. guyes that play me often within the division all know i air it out alot and sometimes i get lucky most of the time i get picked off. i just got lucky this game more than usual.
 
Never accused you of anything. In general, "What's working" falls into those categories for 70% of our league, whether you like it or not.

Doom's Sweep to the Left is a perfect example of #2. We all know it's coming. We all know it's going to work.

But Dude...the fact that 15 Passes went for 752 Yards.....for 8 td.... That's Not Football.
 
To me, these huge stats come from the way certain people run their offense. Some people seem to just want to push the ball down the field at a ridiculous pace. They get their speed receivers and they just air it out all day. There are several people in both leagues that play like this. In my opinion, these people are the reason the defensive stats get so inflated.

When they run into a team that actually knows how to play defense, they start throwing INTs. And when you get two teams who play this way, they're just happy to trade INTs and 80 yard TD passes all game. If it was just impossible to stop sacks and turnovers, you wouldn't see people have seasons like BV just had where he barely turned the ball over 10 times in 16 games. But when you have people running their offense like an Arena football team, you're going to see inflated defensive stats.

Now, what Tiger is doing running the ball...it's really out there, as getting huge gains that often is much more challenging. I'm really curious to see what he does when he runs into a top defense. Truth be told, I'm watching that situation very closely, because part of me would like to know if he has any idea what type of players the Gentlemen's League is meant for and why he thinks he should be playing there. I know billymcdugal brought him in and vouched for him...but Jesus Christ, 400+ yards rushing a game...seems like the guy knows what he's doing.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']If it was just impossible to stop sacks and turnovers, you wouldn't see people have seasons like BV just had where he barely turned the ball over 10 times in 16 games.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the shoutout, that accomplishment didn't get nearly enough love around here. :D

For my money, that took much more effort and skill than accumulating these gaudy offensive stats. I also think it's a much more satisfying way to play the game, and while I'm sure it's not for everyone, I wish more people would give it a try.

If they awarded the Super Bowl for "most reasonable/realistic stats" I'd win it every season, unfortunately as long as it continues to be for who wins in the end, people are always going to play these stupid track meets.
 
My sweep to the left is exploiting the AI? That's news to me.

It's simple really, show me you can't stop the run at all and it would pretty much be a heavy dosage of Foster. It's not me, it's the lack of defensive skills in this league. There are probably 10 guys that have solid user skills and are able to render Foster useless on the ground, Bseti especially. But for the majority of the league, I run into guys that never make ANY pre-snap adjustments at all. No linebacker or line shifts. MAYBE a press, but pressing with man coverage against a stretch play is just asking for trouble.

That's where the numbers are coming from. The guys that don't make any adjustments whatsoever and just sit in the same base for the majority of the game. If you get edge pressure you can take Foster or Boudreaux out of the game. I never sniffed unrealistic numbers against some of the top guys. I had to rely on an air attack.
 
I think we can all agree on this: Being good at defense in Madden is significantly more difficult than being good at offense (and by "good at offense" I simply mean putting up a lot of yards and points). The problem is, as Doom points out, that many people just view defense as "that unfortunate time between instances of me having the ball" and put no work into it. There is no doubt that is a huge contributing factor in some of the outrageous offensive stats.
 
No offense taken Fero, just stating what I thought about the inflated numbers. It's definitely a problem, but some guys just need to work on pre-snap adjustments. It makes a world of difference.

Changing the audible/presnap controls to the Madden 10 style makes it so much easier(at least for me)
 
[quote name='bvharris']I think we can all agree on this: Being good at defense in Madden is significantly more difficult than being good at offense (and by "good at offense" I simply mean putting up a lot of yards and points). The problem is, as Doom points out, that many people just view defense as "that unfortunate time between instances of me having the ball" and put no work into it. There is no doubt that is a huge contributing factor in some of the outrageous offensive stats.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. It really wouldn't take much to go from terrible to decent once we get more guys understand how the defensive adjustments work.
 
I think the biggest adjustment people could make to see immediate improvement defending the run is understanding the right and wrong way to counter it while usering a defender. With very few exceptions, your defender is never going to be faster than the guy he's chasing, so simply chasing him makes no sense. Nor does constantly trying to crash the backfield and meet him head on. I find the best defensive players in this league (and I'd certainly include myself in that group) are the ones who understand the value of lateral movement on defense and, most importantly, on forcing running backs out of their pre-determined running lanes. Everyone loves the feeling of gambling and blowing up a run in the backfield, but keeping guys to only 2 or 3 yards consistently is much more beneficial in the long haul.
 
I'm not saying doom is wrong but to do presnap adjustment in madden 13 is hard to do for the simple factthat sometimes audibles get jammed when trying to change them and if the offensive team snaps it uts you at a disadvantage. So keeping straight up is best. But there are a lot of running plays that take advantage of the ai like those counters that everyone is now running and also read options only way to stop it is to just blitz everyone which is unrealistic in my opinion. I run power or obvious stretch to keep it fair. But since taken advantage of ai is allowed I have been trying to implement more of those plays. Just saying
 
I don't think Doom is talking about switching to completely new plays via audible. But things as simple as changing the rush pattern of defensive ends makes a huge difference against the run, is easy to do, and yet is something almost no one does.
 
A lot of people in this league just dont adjust to anything. They run a defense, it doesnt work they get torched, yet they continue to run that defense. Thats worse cheesing in my mind than running a play, having it work then running it again.

Bengals packers tonigh at 7pm hopefully earlier...
 
Defensive tip of the day... zone sucks against the run, so dont run it on first down, especially against someone who runs for 200yds a game
 
I sprained my thumb at softball yesterday, haven't tried to pick up a controller yet but I might be on the Madden DL for a bit. I'll see how it goes later.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Remaining Games:

Rams-49ers
Chiefs-Chargers
Bengals-Packers (tonight at 7)[/QUOTE]

I'm trying to scheduled with the Chargers for tonight at 6:15. I dropped the ball on this as he PM'd me saying he was free all day yesterday. Sorry guys.
 
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