Metroid Prime 3 - Do Mother Brains' Have PMS? - 9.5 From IGN!

[quote name='wjhard63']Thanks to those who posted the NP review earlier - I was able to read Doomed's attachment of it without any problem.

I cannot wait for this game to come out - I hope I'm not overhyping this in my head, but if this game is as good as the first Prime (the second was great, just not quite as excellent as the first), then my faith in Nintendo still bringing games to Wii for the mainstream (Zelda: TP excluded for the port arguments) will not have been misplaced.

I am seriously more excited for this game than any other this fall, including Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy, Fire Emblem: GoD, and Halo 3. The 28th cannot come soon enough![/quote]

The prospect of new bounty hunters has me extremely excited for this game. I just hope they all just aren't killed off.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']The prospect of new bounty hunters has me extremely excited for this game. I just hope they all just aren't killed off.[/QUOTE]

Yeah - With the bounty hunters from prime hunters and the new ones from MP3, they're expanding the possibility for offshoots, but since this is the end of the Prime trilogy, they could close the book on the story & characters altogether.

On another note, I really hope the Wii Connect 24 functionality doesn't require 'Standby' - only that you have it WC 24 on. I'd like to post my achievements/goals, but I really don't want to leave it warmer than it usually is.

I found out my local game store I ordered this from won't have it in until the 29th! :( I guess it's worth the 10% savings though...
 
[quote name='wjhard63']Yeah - With the bounty hunters from prime hunters and the new ones from MP3, they're expanding the possibility for offshoots, but since this is the end of the Prime trilogy, they could close the book on the story & characters altogether.[/quote]

I have a feeling the other bounty hunters will become corrupted and you'll have to kill them as bosses. A couple of them looked really neat and I think it would give Retro a lot of credit if they actually tried to develop characters in the metroid universe that weren't named 'Samus Aran'. The potential to expand the universe is there and that's honestly the most important thing for me with Corruption.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I have a feeling the other bounty hunters will become corrupted and you'll have to kill them as bosses. A couple of them looked really neat and I think it would give Retro a lot of credit if they actually tried to develop characters in the metroid universe that weren't named 'Samus Aran'. The potential to expand the universe is there and that's honestly the most important thing for me with Corruption.[/quote]

I love that moment in the trailer when the voiceover says, "To date, no marines have shown adverse effects from phazon," and you see that marine have the shakes a bit and then kind of pause and flex his arm as if to say, "Hmmm...that was weird," and then move on as if nothing happened. Very ominous and cool, even though it's a note-for-note copy of that scene in "The Abyss" where they're describing the symptoms of pressure sickness and the marine played by Michael Biehn notices his hand shaking and quickly hides it.
 
[quote name='Tybee'] it's a note-for-note copy of that scene in "The Abyss" where they're describing the symptoms of pressure sickness and the marine played by Michael Biehn notices his hand shaking and quickly hides it.[/QUOTE]
Nice catch on that. It's one thing to say "it looks familiar," but it's another to pinpoint it. Haven't seen that in a while, either, so it's hitting the netflix.
 
[quote name='wjhard63']Yeah - With the bounty hunters from prime hunters and the new ones from MP3, they're expanding the possibility for offshoots, but since this is the end of the Prime trilogy, they could close the book on the story & characters altogether.
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IMO, the design of the bounty hunters in the DS games was pretty uninspired, and what I've seen of the new ones for Prime 3 they are looking pretty bland as well.

I don't think I'd be very interested in a spinoff. They'd be well suited if they wanted to do a Wii deathmatch game in the vein of Hunters though I guess, though I'd skip that as well as I don't like deathmatch games and hated Hunters.
 
I think the designs are alright. For me it's about the voice acting and charecter history.

That chick there I think is a friend of Samus's according to some sites so i'm really curious about the rivalry, friendships, and other story stuff thats going to be in the game related to these new hunters.

Plus all the talk about saving space marines as being optional has me interested. This game seems to be taking the open world nature of Metroid and raising it up even further. I'm really looking forward to this game.

I'll probably give Super Metroid a second chance after I beat this game. I don't have the time and didnt like the game to much back when I was a kid. I am curious though with all the praise people heaped on the game. That and I didnt like Metroid Prime 1 when I played it originally for about an hour and then went back because of praise and it's now my favorite console game of last gen. So I WILL play it eventually for all you Super Metroid fans.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Super Metroid is still my all time favorite game. Definitely give it another go.[/QUOTE]

I might buy it today on the VC and borrow my cousin's Classic controller. I've actually never beat this game, and the first and last time I played it was on my PSP. I never played it on the SNES because my cousins and my brother and I would play games together all the time so we would never buy the same game if the other house had it. My cousins are the ones who got Metroid, and I just never got a chance to play it when I was like 9.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']IMO, the design of the bounty hunters in the DS games was pretty uninspired, and what I've seen of the new ones for Prime 3 they are looking pretty bland as well.

I don't think I'd be very interested in a spinoff. They'd be well suited if they wanted to do a Wii deathmatch game in the vein of Hunters though I guess, though I'd skip that as well as I don't like deathmatch games and hated Hunters.[/quote]

You can't say that without getting to know the characters.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']You can't say that without getting to know the characters.[/QUOTE]

Appearance is a big part of it, regardless of story.

At any rate, I really just have no interest in playing as anyone but Samus when playing a Metroid game.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Appearance is a big part of it, regardless of story.

At any rate, I really just have no interest in playing as anyone but Samus when playing a Metroid game.[/quote]
That's just silly. You don't know what these characters are about or what happens to them and yet you're dismissing the Corruption universe and everyone who isn't Samus. It's like you don't like the game before you've even played it.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']That's just silly. You don't know what these characters are about or what happens to them and yet you're dismissing the Corruption universe and everyone who isn't Samus. It's like you don't like the game before you've even played it.[/QUOTE]

I don't like a lot of story in my shooters, and like that Metroid has always been thin on plot. I get tired of cut scenes, useless dialog etc. pretty quick in most games.

And again, I've played Metroid games for around 20 years, and I play them to play as Samus and kill Metroids and space pirates.

So I don't have much interest in seeing it expand the story and branch out into different playable characters in the future. Could it be good? Sure. Will I be looking forward to it in advance? No. Will I keep a semi-open mind and possibly be pleasantly surpised? Most definitely. I'm just not going to tremble in anticipation of any potential spinoffs.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I don't like a lot of story in my shooters, and like that Metroid has always been thin on plot. I get tired of cut scenes, useless dialog etc. pretty quick in most games.

And again, I've played Metroid games for around 20 years, and I play them to play as Samus and kill Metroids and space pirates.

So I don't have much interest in seeing it expand the story and branch out into different playable characters in the future. Could it be good? Sure. Will I be looking forward to it in advance? No. Will I keep a semi-open mind and possibly be pleasantly surpised? Most definitely. I'm just not going to tremble in anticipation of any potential spinoffs.[/quote]

It sounds like your mind is completely closed off.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']It sounds like your mind is completely closed off.[/QUOTE]

Not at all. Everyone goes into everything with a preconceived opinion of some kind. And this is especially true for me with games as I don't have a lot of free time and game are near the bottom of my hobby priority list these days so I try to only buy/play games I'm pretty sure I'll love.

Spinoffs with other hunters doesn't sound very appealing to me for a variety of reasons--hated hunters on the DS, not totally sold on the Prime series in general as I liked, not loved, the first and didn't care for the second much at all, etc.

But barring myself absolutely hating MP3, I'd give any spinoff a look--at least read reviews and probably give it a rental just because-- Hunters and MP2-- aside I've always loved the Metroid series.

That said, if I love MP3, I'd just prefer another sequel starring Samus as I'm attached to the character.

Not to mention I'd rather seen Nintendo create some totally new shooter franchise rather than make a Metroid Spinoff. They really needs some new IPs. I can't think of a single franchise they've introduced since the SNES days that I've thought was mind blowingly great. I mean I love Mario, Metroid, Zelda etc. etc., but the first party library could really use some new blood--and I'd prefer it be totally new rather than just new characters within an existing franchise.
 
Okay, the 2 new videos are up.

And, yes, a new confirmation. There are INDEED
Metroids
in this game. Can you believe it?
 
Wow. I watched a good chunk of the first boss fight. It actually just sold me on the game. Plus the controls seem to make it feel more like a FPS, which I appreciate.

Having played the two previous Primes and wholly disliking them, I'm actually very excited for MP3. Once I get back home from the gym I'll watch some more of the gameplay vids, hopefully they will peak my interest even more.
 
I actually loved Metroid games for the story. The prime games subtle way of telling the story through the scans of log's from the space pirates and dead soldiers as well as where and what the enemy's you're fighting are doing I thought was something a lot of other companies, like ID and Epic, could learn from.

I mean I liked Doom 3, Gears of War, and Unreal but come on they should take some lessons from Metroid Prime 1 and 2 with the story. Those games had pathetic stories compared to Metroid Prime 1 and 2.
 
I liked that about the Prime games as well, as you could just avoid scanning and not read all that crap if you didn't care.
 
I hope I'm not behind the times on this, but EB/GS has a playable demo of Prime 3 up. I played it for over an hour (the store was mostly empty besides the girl working there) last night, and here are my impressions:

Before I begin I should mention that I thought Metroid Prime was one of the finest games of the last few years and I thought Prime 2 was even better. So I had awful high expectations going into Prime 3. So here goes...

The first thing that hits you is obviously the controls. And to be perfectly honest, I didn't like them as much as I was hoping to and felt like they may be a step back for the series. Previously, you could lock onto an enemy then just hammer the A button and shoot right at them, but now you have to lock on AND keep track of your aiming reticle (which was easy to lose track of in my opinion). So aiming is now harder as you have to multi-task, however it is very rewarding when a nice big charge shot hits an enemy point blank. I also thought that aiming with the wiimote is a bit hard because it's easy to go offscreen (or off sensor) and then you'll have to get yourself reset. By the end of the demo I found the controls to be a bit better, perhaps they just have a steeper learning curve than I had expected, but I don't think I could quite call them an advancement. More just different, but equal at best.

The other thing that you notice is that this is the first Metroid game to have NPCs and voice acting. You start out on a Federation ship and you can talk to people with uniforms that wouldn't look out of place at a Star Trek convention. Personally, I felt like this was an awful decision. One of the most endearing aspects of the Metroid franchise is its total sense of haunting isolation where you are a lone human on a hostile alien world. By bringing in other characters it feels a lot more generic, made doubly so by the uninspired design and dialogue of these talking characters. Hopefully this is only prevalent in the early parts of the game, but it's a big step in the wrong direction in my opinion.

I found the early game environments to be both bland and way too dark. It's easy to get lost running around. (luckily the map is still excellent.) Screenshots I've seen from later in the game indicate that the environments will become more creative later, but I didn't think it was a good intro.

But all nitpicking aside, did I think it was a fun game? The answer: hell yeah! Metroid is still Metroid and it's a tough thing to ruin. The two boss fights I played were excellent, the pacing was real fast (after the horrid talky intro), and the combat is still a lot of fun. I don't know how I feel about traveling to different world, but that's something that I'll only be able to determine upon playing the full version.

Ultimately, while I felt this was a step in the wrong direction and subpar for a Metroid game it still felt like a good game in its' own right. Think of it as being the Mario Sunshine of Metroid games. Now Mario Sunshine wasn't a bad game by any means; it just wasn't as good as Mario 64 from a few years before. I would have given Metroid Prime 1 & 2 a 9.5/10 and based on the demo Prime 3 seemed to be right around the 8.5/10 range. I'm still going to continue with my pre-order and still think it will be a lot of fun, but those were my initial impressions anyway. But maybe it's good that my expectations have been lowered a bit, so the full version will have a higher chance of exceeding them.
 
I wonder if the MP demo you played was set to Advanced controls or the normal controls. I was under the impression that the lock-on function of the regular controls functioned as it did in the past MP games. I could be wrong about that though.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']I wonder if the MP demo you played was set to Advanced controls or the normal controls. I was under the impression that the lock-on function of the regular controls functioned as it did in the past MP games. I could be wrong about that though.[/QUOTE]

Default setting is the one that lets you lock-on, but you have to specifically aim.

The other one is like the original Prime games (which sucks IMHO) where you lock-on and you just hammer the trigger button.
 
Thanks for the impressions! I do think you may be in the minority loving MP2. It's a good game, but I think most people agreed that THAT was a step backward, so if MP3 addresses the faults of that title, it can only be a good thing, IMO.

Also, I'm kind of stoked for the NPCs, voicework, and real time events, all relatively new to the Metroid frachise, and frankly, almost completely absent in Nintendo games as a whole. Atmospheric loneliness is nice, but it kind of became a little unrealistic that Samus was the only non-Space Pirate humanoid character we ever saw.
 
I'm hesitant

My first real experience with the Metroid series (actually buying and playing) has been Prime which I bought when I first got my Wii. I really enjoy it (amazed at how tough it can be - or I just suck which is more likely). I haven't played MP2 at all.

I really want to pick up MP3 because of all of the acclaim for being a great FPS. But I don't know if I should pick it up just for that (on release day at least, I'm sure I'll get it eventually).

So I've got a $50 gift card to Wally world. Anyone want to convince me to use it on MP3 or wait and use it something else?
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']I'm hesitant

My first real experience with the Metroid series (actually buying and playing) has been Prime which I bought when I first got my Wii. I really enjoy it (amazed at how tough it can be - or I just suck which is more likely). I haven't played MP2 at all.

I really want to pick up MP3 because of all of the acclaim for being a great FPS. But I don't know if I should pick it up just for that (on release day at least, I'm sure I'll get it eventually).

So I've got a $50 gift card to Wally world. Anyone want to convince me to use it on MP3 or wait and use it something else?[/quote]

The first hour of gameplay is like on page 24. Decide for yourself.
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']Anyone want to convince me to use it on MP3 or wait and use it something else?[/quote]Don't buy it. If you can't make an informed decision for yourself, you don't deserve to play it.
 
[quote name='lanzarlaluna']Don't buy it. If you can't make an informed decision for yourself, you don't deserve to play it.[/QUOTE]

Way to be a dick?

The guy asks for help on making a buying decision and you're a complete asshole to him.

You could've easily just said "Read some previews, watch some videos" etc. Seriously people.

Read some previews and watch some videos is what I'm going to suggest. Or hell, wait for the reviews to come in then decide if the game is for you.

"You don't deserve to play it" Lawlerz and a half.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Way to be a dick?

The guy asks for help on making a buying decision and you're a complete asshole to him.

You could've easily just said "Read some previews, watch some videos" etc. Seriously people.

Read some previews and watch some videos is what I'm going to suggest. Or hell, wait for the reviews to come in then decide if the game is for you.

"You don't deserve to play it" Lawlerz and a half.[/QUOTE]

Thanks I was just about to say the same.

I'm sorry for coming to a video message discussion board to partake in a discussion. I had planned to read all the reviews, watch videos, etc. as a given (unfortunately I've been very busy getting a new job). I guess what I was really asking was if there was anything major that stands out in this game that would mean I should get it right away, etc. or wait and get something like SSBB first.

Basically looking for opinions since I haven't had time to watch and read everything yet.
 
[quote name='CombatCraig']Thanks I was just about to say the same.

I'm sorry for coming to a video message discussion board to partake in a discussion. I had planned to read all the reviews, watch videos, etc. as a given (unfortunately I've been very busy getting a new job). I guess what I was really asking was if there was anything major that stands out in this game that would mean I should get it right away, etc. or wait and get something like SSBB first.[/quote]

http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142432&page=24

You really have to decide for yourself since hardly anyone has had a chance to play the game and all the reviewers are under embargo. I personally think the game will be quite good.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']I watched 1 video and I was sold. And I HATE the Prime series. Auto-aim FTL.[/quote]

I think for a lot of people, this will be a revolution in fps gameplay and they'll find it hard to go back to a dual stick configuration. Maybe not everyone, but a lot of people are going to be happy with it. Just my two cents.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Default setting is the one that lets you lock-on, but you have to specifically aim.

The other one is like the original Prime games (which sucks IMHO) where you lock-on and you just hammer the trigger button.[/QUOTE]

Ahah. I didn't go into the controls options in the demo. I meant to, but then forgot. Plus I wanted to try out the default setting before making any alterations.

I think I'd like the old-fashioned lock-on more. But that might just be based on my experience with the previous two games. Like I kept forgetting for a split second that I ALSO had to aim. The different options will be nice to mess around with though.
 
Metroid Prime 3 is going to be a fundementally different experience because of the fact it controls more like a shooter and according to all people who have played it for many hours the game is designed with that in mind.

It's still going to be Prime but it's more streamlined and less wander around and figure out where you need to go on you're own like Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were. This is especially due to the fact that theres now multiple planets and the game envirinment is 10X bigger them the first two games, maybe combined. Combine this with what we know about the hunters who aid and probably hinder you, the bombing runs with you're ship, piloting and other ship mechanic's you now get to play with, having soldiers you can help or ignore, etc.... and this game is a lot more then just Metroid Prime 1 and 2 remixed. Overall I think people who didnt like the first 2 games should definelty play this because of that.

That and Mother Brain is going to be in it. Thats should be enough right there.
 
Damn, thsi is coming in one weeks time and I still haven't put MP2 through it's paces. Guess I'll be playing through MP3 first and then going back to MP2. I wonder how that's going to fare?
 
I noticed a lot of people didnt play Prime 2. The game was unfairly judged by many. It is a very solid game that people should play if they missed. Definetly not now since Prime 3 is coming so soon.

But the boss fights, fairly high difficulty, immersive level design and graphical touches, and the way the light and dark planet interact is great. Overall the dark world isnt as hard as people make it out to be. It's only hard initially because you have to get used to taking damage in the areas where there isnt beacons or light. I personally love Metroid Prime for the level design and boss fights. Things all FPS games could learn from. Metroid Prime is my favorite console First Person game. (Im a PC gamer)
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I think for a lot of people, this will be a revolution in fps gameplay and they'll find it hard to go back to a dual stick configuration. Maybe not everyone, but a lot of people are going to be happy with it. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I would kill to be able to play Halo 3 with the Wii controller, and thats just from my Resident Evil 4 experience.
 
I was able to take home the free copy Nintendo set us today at work. If anyone has any question's about the game I will try my best to answer then, just don't expect to get a quick response from me as I will be playing the game.
 
[quote name='Radioactive_Man']I was able to take home the free copy Nintendo set us today at work. If anyone has any question's about the game I will try my best to answer then, just don't expect to get a quick response from me as I will be playing the game.[/quote]

Is it good?
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Is it good?[/QUOTE]

I just got to the second save point. I also just picked up the missiles. So far I'd say it's pretty good.

This game really makes me hate Nintendo for not doing full hd. It looks good so far but you know that it could have looked fuking amazing if it was in 720p or on the 360.

The control scheme get's some time to get use to. You could play without using lock-on if you like. I just don't like that you have to move samus arm all the way to the left or right for her to turn, like they did in Red Steel. I'd rather have her arm centered at all times like in Halo. Although I have a feeling it will grow on me, since the wiimote seems capable of handling it.
 
[quote name='Radioactive_Man']I just don't like that you have to move samus arm all the way to the left or right for her to turn, like they did in Red Steel. I'd rather have her arm centered at all times like in Halo. Although I have a feeling it will grow on me, since the wiimote seems capable of handling it.[/quote]Isn't there an advanced control scheme that really limits the distance to the point where she begins to turn.
 
[quote name='lanzarlaluna']Isn't there an advanced control scheme that really limits the distance to the point where she begins to turn.[/QUOTE]

Not that I know of. All they have are 3 different sensitivity settings.

Basic - slow moving lock-on is off by default

Standard - medium moving lock-on is on by default

Advanced - fast moving lock-on is on by default

on a 1 to 10 scale with 1 being the slowest and 10 being the highest.

Basic - 1
Standard - 5
Advanced - 10

They really don't have anything between which sucks. Would have been better with a slider that would choose the sensitivity.
 
[quote name='j.elles']I noticed a lot of people didnt play Prime 2. The game was unfairly judged by many. It is a very solid game that people should play if they missed. Definetly not now since Prime 3 is coming so soon.

But the boss fights, fairly high difficulty, immersive level design and graphical touches, and the way the light and dark planet interact is great. Overall the dark world isnt as hard as people make it out to be. It's only hard initially because you have to get used to taking damage in the areas where there isnt beacons or light. I personally love Metroid Prime for the level design and boss fights. Things all FPS games could learn from. Metroid Prime is my favorite console First Person game. (Im a PC gamer)[/QUOTE]

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I put 16 hours into it before putting it on the shelf for good.

I hated most of the bosses, hated the high difficulty (little time for games, little patience for anything), and hated the dark world both because it nearly doubled the back tracking, and led you to spend to much time standing under lights slowly regaining health.

Probably my least favorite game in any of the main Nintendo series (not counting offshoot crap like Mario Party, Mario Sports games etc.).

But I'm looking forward to MP3 as from most accounts it's done away with the problems I had with MP2.
 
So you're saying you don't like it because it's hard.
I actually didnt backtrack to much in Prime 1 or 2 at all, probably because I'm use to adventure games, so I do things in an area and don't have to go back usually. All in all I found there to be less backtracking in Prime 2.

I think that's the problem with Metroid Prime 1 and 2. Because it really doesnt tell you where to go very specifically you can miss things and be forced to go back and forth until you figure out what you need to do. It doesnt really hold you're hand. That and the boss fights from what i've heard were really difficult for some people. I personally loved that part of it. Meta Ridley is still the best boss fight ever IMO. Once you get the dark suit you don't take damage in the dark world. And 99% of the time theres a portal in the room or in a room next door that leads to the light or dark world. I think you might have gone off and used a portal that was to far away. I probably would have stopped playing if I did that too.
 
Yeah, it was too hard for me as I hate difficult games, and I hated the dark world design with having to heal under the light, as well as doubling the area you had to explore/backtrack through.

I get that people like hard games, but they should just have variable difficulty so people can play it however they like. And from what I've read they did this with MP3, with a normal and hard setting available at the start.

That's the way to go as then gamers who like a stiff challenge can play on hard, and pussies like me that suck at games and have very little time to play can play on normal. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, it was too hard for me as I hate difficult games, and I hated the dark world design with having to heal under the light, as well as doubling the area you had to explore/backtrack through.

I get that people like hard games, but they should just have variable difficulty so people can play it however they like. And from what I've read they did this with MP3, with a normal and hard setting available at the start.

That's the way to go as then gamers who like a stiff challenge can play on hard, and pussies like me that suck at games and have very little time to play can play on normal. :D[/quote]

So you just don't like the hard part of hardcore caming?
 
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