MGS 4 coming to Xbox 360? Looks like no again! Jazz hands!

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Well, on one disc maybe. I don't think people are willing to buy a 5-6 disc game nowadays.

This site has been the source of all the Microsoft rumors this week, including the motion sensing controller. And this site doesn't look very polished. It looks new, so not very trustworthy IMO.

No one would buy the game on 360 if it came out a year later.
 
This is so dumb. Can't believe this rumor still hasn't been killed off once and for all. I actually think it is only alive so that fanboys have something to bitch about. "If we get MGS4, the PS3 is dead 4ever!"!!!!"
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']So now, which way will this thread go?

Option A)"MGS4 will never be on 360 so all you fanboys can shut up"

OR

Option B)"OMG, now Microsoft is ripping off Nintendo too"[/QUOTE]


Option C) All rumors will be shot down and 6 months to a year+ later it'll come out on the 360. Much like Gears Of War was "never" going to be released on the PC. Yea....Money > all. They are greedy.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Konami has no reasons to NOT announce it for 360 because it won't cost them money. If for some reason MGS4 coming out on 360 was enough to get someone to NOT buy it on PS3 then they would buy it on the 360 instead.[/QUOTE]
You just contradicted yourself.

If you can't understand why Konami would want people to believe MGS4 will always be a PS3 exclusive, for as long as possible, you're really rather stupid.

[quote name='Zhanmadao']12-14 months after the release on PS3? I rather just buy a PS3 and play FF13 versus on it aswell[/QUOTE]
Many of the decent games on the PS3 were on the 360 like a year beforehand. Rainbow Six, Lost Planet, etc.
 
Well, I'm just wondering why people get so pissed off at this rumor?

So it goes multi-platform, more people get to play it. Why is that wrong? Even if you don't think it's not going to happen, there's no need to get all pissy and defensive about it aka "I'm so fucking tired of this goddamn rumor, it's not coming to the 360, PS3 exclusive 4ever!#!#@"

Those who claim to not be a PS3 fanboy, why do you care if it comes to 360? You get to play it a whole year ahead if it even comes true.

EDIT: Those who claim that if it comes to 360, the PS3 is dead are just as retarded as the PS3 fanboys. It's a win-win situation.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Well, on one disc maybe. I don't think people are willing to buy a 5-6 disc game nowadays.

This site has been the source of all the Microsoft rumors this week, including the motion sensing controller. And this site doesn't look very polished. It looks new, so not very trustworthy IMO.

No one would buy the game on 360 if it came out a year later.[/quote]

Why exactly would it have to be on 5-6 discs? Just because Sony with their magic Blu Ray(which I absolutely love) doesn't compress shit, doesn't mean it can't be compressed. With the right compression tools I am sure it wouldn't be hard to fit on 3 discs. Blue Dragon has 3 or 4? That is because of the 1080 HD CG videos. If these videos are all in game engine FMVs, it shouldn't be too hard to fit it on 2-3 discs.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Because this obscure website asked them nicely?[/quote]

The source of my night's lulz.

What does surferbitch have to say about all this?
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Those who claim to not be a PS3 fanboy, why do you care if it comes to 360? You get to play it a whole year ahead if it even comes true.

EDIT: Those who claim that if it comes to 360, the PS3 is dead are just as retarded as the PS3 fanboys. It's a win-win situation.[/QUOTE]

In either case, people are looking for (1) support for the console they own and (2) vindication for the idea that their console is the right one to have purchased. Why they do so in the form of single titles is beyond me.

Personally, I'm just tired of a rumor being retread and treated as legit when it comes from such a very dubious source. If GS, EGM, 1Up, or some other "major" publication had leaked information, it should be treated more seriously than whatever the hell website posted this in the first place.

It also can't be disproven, because as long as there is no MGS4 on the 360, there can and will be rumors about it coming to the 360. Until MGS5 is under development, I suppose. So we'll be seeing these rumors until mid-2009, unless we see a 360 version in the meantime.

If I'm going to infer from *anything* at all, it would be this: it was recently confirmed that Metal Gear Online will come packaged with MGS4 (dunno if it's a separate disc or not). Since 360 mandates some degree of online compatibility with their titles, this inclusion gives the possibility of seeing a 360 port, that would be far less likely the case if the games were sold separately, and MGS4 was solely a single-player, offline experience. But that's really reading into things, I admit.

EDIT: Actually, perhaps that last part isn't exactly true. Blue Dragon and Bioshock come to mind immediately.
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']Lost Odyssey has 4 discs.

....

....just throwing that out there, whilst on the subject.[/QUOTE]

Lost Odyssey is also rumored to have just shit tons of cut scenes....oh wait.
 
Personally, I love these rumors.

Though, I disagree with lots of people here, the reason I don't think this rumor dies is 2-fold:
1) Kojima has been questionable with the truth before
2) Economically, it makes so much sense

The first, if I remember right, MGS 2 was suppose to be a PS2 exclusive. It's all we heard, then boom, Substance hits on the Xbox. After that sort of thing happens, it ruins your credibility. So, there is no official source that can come out and shoot this rumor down. Either you have to be an outsider or no one has to believe you.

Number 2, so many people own a 360, and it would seem to be an easy port. Even if it came out on 5-6 discs, would anyone really care? The discs themselves are cheap, so I doubt it would add to the cost that much. And that's worse case scenario. I really doubt it would ruin the game experience that much, since we know there will be some lenghthy cut scenes, so there will be some perfect chances to flip the disc that shouldn't interfere too badly.

For me personally, I don't really care which system is "best". When I weighed them for me, the PS3 was going to be my last purchase. I will get one at some point, but I'd much rather wait a couple of years until it has a few more price cuts. There aren't that many exclusives that I'm that interested in (though, Uncharted looks very good, and I'll eventually want GT 5). So, if MGS4 would go to the 360, I could play that game, and make the wait a bit easier.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Lost Odyssey is also rumored to have just shit tons of cut scenes....oh wait.[/quote]

*shrugs* I don't know anything about it, barring that it's an RPG. Just saw that on 360Achivements.org.
 
[quote name='lordxixor101']The first, if I remember right, MGS 2 was suppose to be a PS2 exclusive. It's all we heard, then boom, Substance hits on the Xbox. After that sort of thing happens, it ruins your credibility.[/QUOTE]And MGS2 sold so well on the Xbox they made MGS3 a PS2 exclusive, twice.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']And MGS2 sold so well on the Xbox they made MGS3 a PS2 exclusive, twice.[/quote]
Indeed. Though it's not that surprising. At the time, most people with an Xbox probably had a PS2 already and played MGS2 on that. Add in the fact that the Xbox userbase was much tinier than the PS2's and it's only natural that sales were abysmal.

If they released a 360 version around the same time as the PS3 version there's almost no question that it would outsell the PS3's.
 
Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3 has uncompressed audio IIRC. If you want the same experience on 360, it'd be 5-6 discs. And I'm highly confident the visuals of Metal Gear Solid 4 shoot those of Blue Dragon into the sun.
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']*shrugs* I don't know anything about it, barring that it's an RPG. Just saw that on 360Achivements.org.[/QUOTE]

Twas a joke since MGS has always had a shit ton of cutscenes, so seeing it on a ton of discs wouldn't be that much of a surprise.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']And MGS2 sold so well on the Xbox they made MGS3 a PS2 exclusive, twice.[/quote]

It isn't like msgs 2 and 3 were these huge hits on the ps2. The installed base of the ps2 was a shit load higher and while they both sold well/made money, they weren't gangbusters such as a madden, halo, gta type of sales numbers. While I take this recent rumor with a grain of salt, financially it would make sense for it to go multiplatform with the current position of the ps3. Someone from Konami recently stated they needed to do sell a million copies day 1 to break even. Personally even if there was a decent ps3 installed base, I don't think this game is mainstream enough to warrant that type of sales in one day.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Someone from Konami recently stated they needed to do sell a million copies day 1 to break even.[/QUOTE]

But isn't that just a silly argument? 1 million in sales is 1 million in sales, whether it happens in 1 day, 6 days, or 6 months. Once the game is gold, the development costs stop, barring DLC, late stage bug fixes (which is becoming all too bloody common for console titles, IMO), and other minute, minute things.

So the whole "1 million in 1 day" point is totally silly. If they said "we need to sell a million to break even," I may believe them, but ultimately think they might want to reduce their development costs. Christ.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']But isn't that just a silly argument? 1 million in sales is 1 million in sales, whether it happens in 1 day, 6 days, or 6 months. Once the game is gold, the development costs stop, barring DLC, late stage bug fixes (which is becoming all too bloody common for console titles, IMO), and other minute, minute things.

So the whole "1 million in 1 day" point is totally silly. If they said "we need to sell a million to break even," I may believe them, but ultimately think they might want to reduce their development costs. Christ.[/quote]

I would assume, not based in any fact, but based off of the sales history of games that the 1 million day one sales was taking into account a projection of how well the game would sell going forward. Yes it was a silly comment by konami. Maybe it wasn't translated properly, maybe the guy was just talking out of his ass to rally up the ps3 userbase to sell a shitload of games, or maybe they feel that they need to move x amount of games over a 6 month span and in order to do that based on historic numbers of games sales that they needed to sell 1 million day one.
 
That could be possible - considering game sales trends, if they don't sell early they don't sell at all. I could see that.

Given 8-10 million PS3s sold worldwide, they'd have to be expecting 10-12% adoption. It's not out of the question, but it is a difficult thing to do. Even if sales trends continue, and you're talking about 10-13 million systems by late March (13 being pretty bloody unlikely, I admit), that doesn't reduce the adoption % needed all that much.

Then again, CoD4 is on its way to 600,000 in sales - but that's been over 5 weeks or more.
 
On a recent Kojima Productions Report, Ryan Payton said something to the effect that the "$1 million on day one" thing was completely misinterpreted. Of course, by now the press has already had their tabloid fun with it and I doubt there's much interest in printing corrections to months-old "news."
 
People are waiting for MGS4. I suspect 1 million in its' first day (if same day worldwide) is all too easy. It will get to 2-3 million in sales by the end of the year on the console if released before the latter half of the year.
 
I really think some are overestimating the sales potential of this game. 2 and 3 sold between 2 and 4 million the ps2 with a much larger userbase. IMO, this game won't break 3million total never mind in one year.
 
MGS2 sold around 7 million copies, which would be 5.8% adoption rate if we use the current install base of PS2 consoles, 120 million (which may be a touch high, even).

The % becomes much higher, of course, if you look at the # of consoles sold by the time MGS2 came out. According to VGChartz data (I'm sorry, by the way), they sold around 62 million by the end of 2003. Since MGS2 came out in 2001, it is a safe assumption that they sold the bulk of those 7 million by that point. Which would make an 11.3% adoption rate.

That said, MGS3 didn't fare as well as MGS2 - additionally, there were more consoles in the world at that point. As a result, it would be unfair to take MGS2's adoption rate and treat it as a constant % we should reasonably expect MGS4 to sell at. I don't think we have a fuckin' clue how well or poorly it will sell.
 
MGS3 was, unfortunately, overshadowed by Halo 2 and GTA: SA when it was released. There were a number of other large releases that came out during that time too (not as big as Halo, GTA, or maybe even MGS, but they certainly added to the overshadowing effect. I also feel that a lot of gamers were left with a bad taste in their mouth after MGS2. Despite is poor presentation, poor setting, poor cast of characters, I thoroughly enjoyed the game, but I know there was quite a big backlash after it was released, and people were probably skeptical about buying MGS3.

Then again, MGS2 went up against stiffer competition and sold very well. The problem with the game is that it has a very narrow appeal, and the majority of its players are going to be long time fans of the game. Because it is so story intensive, and because the games are all closely related, it'll be hard to bring in new gamers (although their addition of online play may help with that).

With that said, I have no idea how it will sell, but the game is certainly being hyped much more than MGS3. I can see it selling better than MGS3, but not as well as MGS2. I can also see it being ported to the 360, but I'd imagine it will be after the PS3 version (I doubt it will be as long as year after, though).
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Twas a joke since MGS has always had a shit ton of cutscenes, so seeing it on a ton of discs wouldn't be that much of a surprise.[/QUOTE]

MGS uses real-time cut-scenes which don't take up nearly as much space as CGI cut-scenes which games like Lost Odyssey use. But I think MGSs audio will take up a lot of space.

Either way, with the game being extremely linear, I doubt many would care about switching discs, if need be. I know I'd rather play the game on 4 discs, than not play it at all.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Metal Gear Solid 4 on PS3 has uncompressed audio IIRC. If you want the same experience on 360, it'd be 5-6 discs. And I'm highly confident the visuals of Metal Gear Solid 4 shoot those of Blue Dragon into the sun.[/quote]

Yes, but textures don't take up shit compared to full CG cinematics in comparison. MGS uses in game engine. Blue Dragon uses 1080p CG cinematics. That means, it takes more space for those cinematics than the ones found in MGS 4. Still with me?

Uncompressed audio? Please. It is nice, but not needed and doesn't make that much of a difference for 90% of the game. We have been using compressed sound for years and the compression tools keep getting better and better. Yes there is a difference, it is really nice. But why the fuck would they have to use uncompressed audio on the 360 version? I bet a bunch of people here couldn't tell the difference between the two forms anyway. Especially some of our older members.

I really don't care if it comes out on the 360, PS3 or DS. It could be a cell phone game and I wouldn't care. I just find it ignorant to say you can't get the same experience on the 360 without it being on 12 discs. It may not be theEXACT same, but pretty fucking close. Not enough difference to warrent a purchase of a console and one game(if someone only wanted to play MGS 4). All I know is, I want to play this game and I don't care if I have to strap a Wiimote to my crotch and control Snake with my snake. I must say, it wouldn't be the first time I have done that with my Wiimotes. Who is up for a game of Wii Sports?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']MGS2 sold around 7 million copies, which would be 5.8% adoption rate if we use the current install base of PS2 consoles, 120 million (which may be a touch high, even).

The % becomes much higher, of course, if you look at the # of consoles sold by the time MGS2 came out. According to VGChartz data (I'm sorry, by the way), they sold around 62 million by the end of 2003. Since MGS2 came out in 2001, it is a safe assumption that they sold the bulk of those 7 million by that point. Which would make an 11.3% adoption rate.

That said, MGS3 didn't fare as well as MGS2 - additionally, there were more consoles in the world at that point. As a result, it would be unfair to take MGS2's adoption rate and treat it as a constant % we should reasonably expect MGS4 to sell at. I don't think we have a fuckin' clue how well or poorly it will sell.[/QUOTE]

I like your train of thought here. I think there were lots of factors built into MGS3 selling less. Not only the strong number of games coming out, but the game wasn't nearly as hyped. Remember MGS2 was E3 game of the year, and was pretty much the anticipated game of the year (as big as Halo 3's hype in the video game world). Not only that, but you had the Raiden fiasco along with substince, and a lot of people felt burned (I know MGS2 was the first game I paid full price for after moving out of my parents house and having my video game budget cut way back, I remember swearing I'd never buy an MGS on launch anymore if I would end up with the inferior version. (on a side note, I actually think MGS has driven me to avoid buying games at full price for the most part).

I think MGS4 is a bit different though. First off, it has quite a bit of hype behind it. Secondly, you just don't have as many options on the PS3 right now. When it launches, it will dominate discussion board conversations for at least 2 weeks. But, on the flip side, I know that many people buy the PS3 as a Blue Ray player only, so how many PS3 owners actually buy more than 1 game right now? It wouldn't surprise me if 5-10% of PS3 owners barely buy any games, and that will definitely effect sales here.
 
From Kotaku (fuck):

[quote name='Michael Shelling, Konami PR']For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game.[/quote]
Gotta love it.
 
So when is the game actually supposed to come out for PS3? Did it get delayed again?
 
[quote name='Blackout542']So when is the game actually supposed to come out for PS3? Did it get delayed again?[/QUOTE]

I believe they said summer 08, but my money's on Xmas season 08 / 2nd quarter 09
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']From Kotaku (fuck):[/quote]

I first saw this "confirmation" that no 360 version is being made on another nobody website Joystiq linked, so my immediate thought it "great; here are dueling websites with no credibility fueling the debate even more." The way Kotaku's post is worded seems to suggest they got this response directly from Konami themselves, which (despite it being Kotaku) gives it a slight modicum of credibility.

Nevertheless,
1) Konami doesn't want to jeopardize PS3 sales of the title by saying "yeah, of course we're going to port it, so don't buy this version if you only own a 360." Particularly if Sony has offered up incentive$ to stay exclusive/be a timed exclusive.

2) "No plans to develop" clearly means that, even if it is "no plans (we're going to tell you about) to develop" in disguise, that this phrase, taken literally, means that no work has gone into a 360 version - so even if "plans to develop" occur in the next few months, prior to the PS3 version's release, it will certainly take those rumored 12-14 months to get it out to store shelves.

Gotta love it.
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Why?
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']I believe they said summer 08, but my money's on Xmas season 08 / 2nd quarter 09[/quote]

Wow that's way too long of a wait.
 
Why is it such a problem to accept the possibility that MGS4 might be on 360 someday? Would it really change anything?
 
[quote name='Blackout542']So when is the game actually supposed to come out for PS3? Did it get delayed again?[/quote]
Rumors say June 17th
 
[quote name='jovherye']Update w/link from Kotaku. Looks like no 360 version again![/quote]
Almost makes these threads a complete waste of space.
 
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