Microsoft: "It's almost over. Sony is almost finished."

:rofl: M$ said they might be near, placing them in last this generation. That doesn't mean Sony's going to go belly-up and die. People seem to think that this is some fight to the death, were the "losers" die off completely.

So Sony "loses" the console war? What of it? It's not like they planned on winning from the start. There goal is to win Blue Ray the format war, whether they finish first, second or third in the console race is probably a non-factor to them. They're still sitting on the cash-cow known as PS2, and the PSP is certainly gaining some momentum. Sony might be in dead last, but they're still doing pretty good.

As for life after Halo 3, there's still all the stellar games coming, along with the potential Gears of War 2 announcement, MGS4 port, and even Halo Wars. Halo will come and go, but that doesn't mean the 360 will go with it.
 
I don't think this is totally off-base either.

I would imagine that Halo 3 will move a significant amount of consoles (I know several people who are buying or just recently bought a 360 solely because Halo was coming out).

Meanwhile, this holiday season Sony has a couple of games that look good (Drake, Ratchet, probably some others I'm missing), that I will be buying, but nothing that will sell a console to the mainstream non-hardcore (i.e. madden/gta/halo type) gaming community. As the gap widens, so too does 3rd party software support, and as that swings more and more in Microsoft's direction it becomes harder and harder for Sony to climb out of last place. Additionally, I think you do need to factor in online multiplayer... as more people get 360s, that means more of their friends will follow suit (i.e. friend 1 has a 360, friend 2 wants to buy either ps3 or 360, but wants to be able to play online with friend 1, so ends up buying a 360). That's why this holiday season is so important, as building a bigger gap potentially helps to further widen the gap down the line.,

I own all 3 consoles and really hope that this console war is close, as that's best for the gaming community... but all of my friends/coworkers that play video games(who are largely mainstream gamers), seem to have no interest in what Sony is putting out. It's hard for me to see this shaking out well for Sony (at least in the US).
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']:rofl: M$ said they might be near, placing them in last this generation. That doesn't mean Sony's going to go belly-up and die. People seem to think that this is some fight to the death, were the "losers" die off completely.

So Sony "loses" the console war? What of it? It's not like they planned on winning from the start. There goal is to win Blue Ray the format war, whether they finish first, second or third in the console race is probably a non-factor to them. They're still sitting on the cash-cow known as PS2, and the PSP is certainly gaining some momentum. Sony might be in dead last, but they're still doing pretty good.

As for life after Halo 3, there's still all the stellar games coming, along with the potential Gears of War 2 announcement, MGS4 port, and even Halo Wars. Halo will come and go, but that doesn't mean the 360 will go with it.[/QUOTE]


I don't think anyone thinks any of these companies will die off...the only company who could feasibly "die" is nintendo, but they've done a 180 in the past few years.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']And PS3 has what now? :lol:[/quote]
LAIR! :lol:

...Oh wait. #-o
[quote name='Kayden']Halo 3... yippy fucking dooo. I'll wait for it to hit 20 just like the other two.[/quote]
Halo 2 isn't $20.
 
A Microsoft holiday? I dont think so. Not with Wii still sold out all over the place and Nintendos #1 franchise Mario coming november and arguably #3-4 franchise Smash Bros coming december. Nintendo gots a one two punch this christmas that is gonna be very hard to beat.
 
I will say, once Christmas comes and goes, no console's really gonna have anything coming out for a good while. Yeah, PS3 has MGS4 and FFXIII, but who's to say those won't get delays to fine tune them? Remember FFXII's delays? Not to mention, FFXIII has such a ridiculous setup in how many versions it's going to have that even some people who're into FF are wondering wtf is what.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Halo 3... yippy fucking dooo. I'll wait for it to hit 20 just like the other two.[/quote]The Halos drop in price about as well as first party Nintendo games.
 
[quote name='Tsukento']I will say, once Christmas comes and goes, no console's really gonna have anything coming out for a good while. Yeah, PS3 has MGS4 and FFXIII, but who's to say those won't get delays to fine tune them? Remember FFXII's delays? Not to mention, FFXIII has such a ridiculous setup in how many versions it's going to have that even some people who're into FF are wondering wtf is what.[/quote]

Devil May Cry 4 comes out December 27th. ;)
 
For release next year:

*=exclusive

Alan Wake *
Devil May Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 4
Mercanaries 2
Too Human *
Lost Odyssey *
Last Remnant
Infinite Undiscovery *
Resident Evil 5
Soul Calibur IV
Burnout Paradise
Fallout 3
Unreal Tournament III (a few months after PS3 exclusivity window passes)
Dark Sector
Condemned 2
The Wheelman
Turok
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Hellboy
2008 lineup of sports games

Granted there are only 4 360 exclusives on there but I think we can assume that all but one or two of those (UT III and possibly Burnout Paradise) are going to be better on 360 overall than on PS3. PS3 will have MGS 4, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, and possibly GT 5/HD and Tekken 6. FF XIII won't be until 09.

Microsoft may have too big of a lead on Sony for them to catch up. This is going to be a weird generation: Nintendo will probably lead in console sales, but Microsoft will likely lead in software sales, at least with 3rd-party developers.
 
[quote name='RyanFrost']Devil May Cry 4 comes out December 27th. ;)[/quote]
That's Japan. And the 360 release is around the same time too. Can't say PS3 has DMC4 if it's not an exclusive.
 
All Nintendo has to do is quit with the "our warehouse can't keep up with demand" mumbo jumbo and bam, Microsoft loses holiday season. Microsoft wins holidays for two reasons:
Halo 3
Everyone that goes into Wal-mart to buy a Wii for their kid will walk out with a 360 and Halo 3 instead cuz there won't be Wii's there.

But honestly, as far as Sony and Microsoft goes, Sony lost the battle rather than Halo winning it. Sony had most of its big holiday titles turning into spring 08 releases, and MGS4, Gran Turismo 5 and Final Fantasy are more than fashionably late.

I know RPG fans will hate to hear this, but Final Fantasy is a taster's choice at this point. RPG's are on the backburner because everyone who likes them is comfortably raiding or doing stupid things in World of Warcraft. Out of all the genres, RPGs hold maybe 20% of the entire demographic of gamers. Sure it's a big title, but it's not as important to Sony as Gran Turismo 5, Devil May Cry 4, God of War 3 and most importantly Metal Gear Solid 4.

Sony also needs to stop playing peak-a-boo and just say, "Hey, here's a $400 PS3. It has the 20gb hard-drive and no PS2 backwards compatibility, enjoy." Even if Microsoft responds with another price drop, what people have to realize is this:

Just because Microsoft continues to lower its price, doesn't change the fact that some people will WANT a PS3 instead of a 360.

Imagine you have $400 to spend, PS3 drops to $400 and you WANT a PS3. Just because the 360 drops to $280 for the Premium wont' make you want a PS3 less, it just means you want a PS3 and you can afford it. It's like if a steak meal costs $30 and chicken costs $20 and Steak drops to $20 and chicken down to $15. That doesn't matter if you want a steak meal and only wanted to pay $20 for it.

Sony needs to get aggressive and quit trying to shove 18 different devices into a console and then down our throats. Throw an affordable system out there, throw some online games out there, show some incentives and get some market share back. Quit playing footsy with your warehouses just because of how much it costs to make a system. I'd rather take a hit on a system and still sell it than have my shelves stocked with systems that won't sell at all. It's better to make back 80% of cost, take a 20% hit instead of taking a 100% hit by not selling them at all. That way at least developers have incentive to prioritize Sony development and throw more games on the system and then you'll make money back in endorsements, distribution and accessories.
 
I think all this talk of Sony dying, etc... is all premature. Not to mention if for some reason you actually want Sony to fail, thus meaning less competition, you're a fool. One giant corporate slave of a fool. Competition means more good games and console features for everyone.

MS and Sony going after each other has made them both shell out large amounts of cash to fund games for both consoles. That's new games, with large budgets, pushing new technologies and gameplay, just to get the edge over the competitor. Those who give into the corporate bandwagons of either side are missing out on what's available on the other, meanwhile people who have no brand loyalty reap the rewards.

Keep in mind, I like Halo. I don't think it's as special as everyone thinks it is, but it's a very fun game. That 4 player co-op will be the biggest feature of the game for me.

But Sony dying because of Halo? Nope. The ps2 didn't die because of Halo, it just kept going with all the other quality non-fps games. The main thing this generation proved is that consoles over the $400 price point just don't sell, at least not at release without some seriously good release titles.

As above, in order to get the games that they need to push the system, Sony really has been making deals, funding games, and generally. It won't be enough to top this year, but come 2008 both MS and Sony will have some really good game libraries for us to play.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Good for M$ being cocky while they can.[/quote] Honestly, I'd rather it be someone else for a change. Sony's been getting way too damn cocky since the PS3 came up considering they were cruising in, thinking they'll win no matter what just because the previous two systems were successful.

I like Sony and all, but their business strategies have been shit and they've developed too much of a damn ego just because they blew away GameCube and Xbox last gen.

As for the PS3 itself, if I were to get one, it'll be down later on the line when I see the price is fit and there are games I want. I'm likely going to end up getting a used 60GB since the last thing I want is a newer model PS3 that isn't fully backwards compatible with PSOne and PS2 games. Even though I have a PS2 already, you never know when shit may happen.

And actually, the Final Fantasy series IS important to Sony since VII was the title that gave the PlayStation the big jump it needed back when it started out with garbage launch games, with X being the equivalent of that for the PS2.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']And PS3 has what now? :lol:[/QUOTE]


Sony has Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo; these two franchises are definitely going to move lots of units, and systems.
The way MS is talking, can we say that Halo is the 360's savior. Plus, we don't even know how powerful the PS3 is what kind of games it will be producing by next year, and what if devs alread tapped into 90 percent of the xbox 360's resouces... what if HALO 3 is pretty much the best the 360 can offer.....ever. Halo is a popular brand, but UT3 is blowing it out of the water graphically.
 
Let me say this - original XBOX... I hated it. I was a Sony fanboy (hardcore, at that) until I played Halo at a friend's house. That Christmas, I got Halo and an XBOX, and I've loved the XBOX/360 ever since. Point is that plenty of folks will be looking to pick up Halo 3 and a 360 months from now.

Sony, on the other hand, has decided to screw gamers over with an expensive-as-all-hell PS3 and slim pickings for game offerings.

I'm not so sure MS will finish the fight this holiday season, but sometime next year they probably will.
 
[quote name='Ub3rChief']Let me say this - original XBOX... I hated it. I was a Sony fanboy (hardcore, at that) until I played Halo at a friend's house. That Christmas, I got Halo and an XBOX, and I've loved the XBOX/360 ever since. Point is that plenty of folks will be looking to pick up Halo 3 and a 360 months from now.

Sony, on the other hand, has decided to screw gamers over with an expensive-as-all-hell PS3 and slim pickings for game offerings.

I'm not so sure MS will finish the fight this holiday season, but sometime next year they probably will.[/QUOTE]


I'll say too that I didn't pick up an Xbox until 2004, mostly because I wanted to play Halo. Never played it, never saw it, but heard so much about it. Since that point, I've held Xbox systems in higher regard than Sony products. I was a Sony fanboy, but only because I hadn't tried anything else except for the Saturn.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Sony has Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo; these two franchises are definitely going to move lots of units, and systems.
The way MS is talking, can we say that Halo is the 360's savior. Plus, we don't even know how powerful the PS3 is what kind of games it will be producing by next year, and what if devs alread tapped into 90 percent of the xbox 360's resouces... what if HALO 3 is pretty much the best the 360 can offer.....ever. Halo is a popular brand, but UT3 is blowing it out of the water graphically.[/quote]

While gran turismo is a great car racing game, I don't think you can call it a system seller. Same for ratchet and clank. I think those that already own the system are going to be picking up those games. Final fantasy will move systems. I love you what if statement about developers tapping into the 360. Last I checked at some point UT3 should end up on the 360. .

As for the original statement from msft, yes if they kill sony this year it is too early to be declaring victory, but if the next xbox comes out in a 5 year cycle, this is msfts 3 holiday season.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I'll say too that I didn't pick up an Xbox until 2004, mostly because I wanted to play Halo. Never played it, never saw it, but heard so much about it. Since that point, I've held Xbox systems in higher regard than Sony products. I was a Sony fanboy, but only because I hadn't tried anything else except for the Saturn.[/quote]

Same, I had a PS2, but it wasn't until I bought a GC and an XBOX 1 that I realized how bad the PS2 was. When Halo 2 came out, I traded the PS2 in for controllers for the XBOX.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']While gran turismo is a great car racing game, I don't think you can call it a system seller. Same for ratchet and clank. I think those that already own the system are going to be picking up those games. Final fantasy will move systems. I love you what if statement about developers tapping into the 360. Last I checked at some point UT3 should end up on the 360. .

As for the original statement from msft, yes if they kill sony this year it is too early to be declaring victory, but if the next xbox comes out in a 5 year cycle, this is msfts 3 holiday season.[/QUOTE]


R&C is a system seller for me, anyways.

I wouldn't say the PS2 is/was bad, I just started buying all my multiplatform games for the Xbox.
 
after halo i really dont know what else they have that would blow the competition away, gow too many glitches i dont think there will be as huge of a praise for part 2
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I sure as hell hope MS has a plan for after Halo 3.[/QUOTE]

Ninja Gaiden 2, Devil May Cry 4, GTA IV, Halo Wars, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction, and Marvel Universe Online sound like a pretty good plan to me.
 
[quote name='ananag112']Ninja Gaiden 2, Devil May Cry 4, GTA IV, Halo Wars, Fable 2, Resident Evil 5, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction, and Marvel Universe Online sound like a pretty good plan to me.[/quote]

:applause:

I think the real question is: what's the Wii plan. Sure you have the triple-A tendo titles - but where's the third-party filler?
 
I haven't read this thread (FINRATS), but I sincerely hope there's a Mortal Kombat picture or reference in here somewhere.
 
There is Zack and Wiki, which pretty much everywhere says it's gonna be sweet. As for anything else... they're looking for a quick buck right now. It took a good year before good 3rd party DS stuff came out.

If Microsoft is nearing winning, then how come 3rd parties aren't even launching 3rd party titles that are multiplatform in Japan? Look at Silent Hill 5. It hasn't been announced for the 360 in Japan. I think the same also holds for Devil May Cry, but I'm not sure. It is happening for a LOT of titles there though.

Japan is still making this race interesting, period. If it weren't for Japan, Microsoft would've beaten Sony by now, and everyone knows it. When MGS4 hits in March, people buy a PS3. When FF13 hits in 2009, people buy a PS3. 2007 is not Sony's year. 2008 is. Microsoft does not have a game like Halo coming oujt fall 2008. Ninja Gaiden is great, but it ain't that great. Fable isn't going to sell systems.

Sure, there is GTA, but it's probably going to get dual marketing because marketing it under a single system considering Rockstar's position right now is stupid. And when it releases NEXT FALL (trust me on this one) you will not see any sign of downloadable content for the game in commercials. You'll only find out about it if you're smart and search because that's how downloadable content is: It's lurking in the shadows.

A statement by saying 'it's almost over' is RETARDED. They beat something badly that's already been out a year? Something that was originally supposed to come out this year? Come on Microsoft. They have shot themselves in the foot with this RRoD crap. That's why through June they only shipped 11.6 million units. Didn't they reach 10 million shipped 6 months earlier? By restricting their shipments, they allowed everyone else to catch up. Microsoft should ideally be at around 15-20 million units SOLD right now, but they aren't.

Almost over? It hasn't even started yet.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Some wanker who, if he earned a nickel for each time he voluntarily reminded people how he refuses to participate in this generation, could buy all three consoles for the state of Kansas, comes into every thread about the current-gen war, unnecessarily and inappropriately condescends, and engages in other boring-ass activities reminiscent of someone who should truly find something better to do than be a bastard in threads related to something he has no interest in?

Or is that too broad?[/quote]Quoted because it should be read.
 
[quote name='Halo05']As far as other stuff afterwards, who knows. The biggest knock against MS at E3 was their lack of future stuff.[/QUOTE]

We know more about Sony's stuff into 2008 because Sony needs to assure gamers that there will be games worth playing in the future. Microsoft and Nintendo don't, because of their current momentum and because one could assume that, given the quality of both holiday lineups (MS, of course, being the better of the two), that MS and Nintendo will have great games coming in the future as well (and plenty of them).
 
[quote name='KingBroly']If Microsoft is nearing winning, then how come 3rd parties aren't even launching 3rd party titles that are multiplatform in Japan? Look at Silent Hill 5. It hasn't been announced for the 360 in Japan. I think the same also holds for Devil May Cry, but I'm not sure. It is happening for a LOT of titles there though.

Japan is still making this race interesting, period. If it weren't for Japan, Microsoft would've beaten Sony by now, and everyone knows it. When MGS4 hits in March, people buy a PS3. When FF13 hits in 2009, people buy a PS3. 2007 is not Sony's year. 2008 is. Microsoft does not have a game like Halo coming oujt fall 2008. Ninja Gaiden is great, but it ain't that great. Fable isn't going to sell systems.[/quote]
Why is Japan so important? Selling poorly in Japan didn't stop the US from getting Dead Rising and Lost Planet. It also shows that the American market alone is enough because DMC, Resident Evil, Ace Combat, and Virtua Fighter are all coming to the 360 when Japanese companies wouldn't grace the original Xbox with these series. I could see Japan being important if Capcom, Konami, and Sega ignored the 360, but they are all giving the US their biggest hits.
 
if halo 3 is the last one, i respect MS for keeping true to their word, spinoffs are expected, but never go back to the original. im interested to see if nintendo takes the same approach with metriod.

i havent even played a halo game, is it really that awesome? i love bioshock and COD, but RE seiries is way to scary for me, so i stick with sports games. i know, im a pussy.
 
[quote name='zzl365']I own all 3 consoles and really hope that this console war is close, as that's best for the gaming community...[/QUOTE]Excuse you? Competition is what's best for the gaming community.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Excuse you? Competition is what's best for the gaming community.[/quote]Isn't that what he's saying?
 
[quote name='dallow']Isn't that what he's saying?[/quote]

No dumbass, he is saying that competition would do well for the industry. See the difference? Me either. :D
 
Sony will never over, because it's Sony. Just like Nintendo, and Microsoft will never be over anytime soon.
 
I picked up the Halo 2 CE brand new for 19.99. It may not be the MSRP, but that doesn't mean it hasn't retailed for that amount.
 
Isn't Blue Dragon going to the DS and being MS funded? Along with Viva Pinata going to the DS. MS wants to pwn Sony with their three shitty and support the DS versus the PSP. If Halo DS comes about... SONY IS FINISHED!
 
[quote name='RyanFrost']Devil May Cry 4 comes out December 27th. ;)[/QUOTE]


the u.s. version was pushed back to 2008.

If Halo DS comes about... SONY IS FINISHED!
Click to expand...

unless it sucks horribly. :lol:


as for Halo prices, I bought the LE for $10 at TRU sometime around the 360 launch.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']While gran turismo is a great car racing game, I don't think you can call it a system seller.[/QUOTE]

Probably not over a large scale, but it is for me.

MGS4 and GT5, the only PS3 games I want. I'll probably end up buying the system as an HD PS2 and a Blu-ray player.
 
Yeah, I know a couple people who bought a PS3 just for the GT:HD download.
They're GT freaks and it's pretty much all they've been waiting for.
 
[quote name='daroga']The Halos drop in price about as well as first party Nintendo games.[/QUOTE]

True, but you must admit that someplace will have a sale on the game such that, I'm willing to bet you'll be able to buy Halo 3 new for $40-45 within a month of 9/25 (I don't mean price glitches or that GCO nonsense, either).

OT, I'd love to compare sales trends for big titles versus other titles. Do Halo and Madden sell the same (that is, sales will be HUGE week 1 and 2, and then drop off for the most part), or does Halo have a slower drop? How do they compare with other, less highly-anticipated games (if it's even fair to make such a divide between games hyped like Halo and Madden and "everything else")?
 
[quote name='ryanbph']While gran turismo is a great car racing game, I don't think you can call it a system seller. Same for ratchet and clank. I think those that already own the system are going to be picking up those games. Final fantasy will move systems. I love you what if statement about developers tapping into the 360. Last I checked at some point UT3 should end up on the 360. .

As for the original statement from msft, yes if they kill sony this year it is too early to be declaring victory, but if the next xbox comes out in a 5 year cycle, this is msfts 3 holiday season.[/QUOTE]


GT is one of the top selling franchises Sony has. Just the fact that its in the top 5 selling franchises that Sony has on their console, imo says that it probably sold a couple of systems. I'm just saying that because, hell it hard to say its not a system seller, but it sold well.

All in all, MS can say whatever they want, but the truth is.. .Sony's not going anywhere, and unless 360 delivers, delivers, delivers, year after year, then fine, they'll do great. But if they get out done by Sony, year after year, after year, then it makes this statement worthless. Same goes for Sony, same goes for Nintendo. MS sounds like they don't have to worry about Sony after they release Halo 3. I like it when companies talk trash about one another, but what really counts is what's out on the retail floor selling... what's funny is that this statement should be made while E3 is going on, not during TGS, which happens in a country where everything but the Virtual Gameboy is outselling 360.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Some wanker who, if he earned a nickel for each time he voluntarily reminded people how he refuses to participate in this generation, could buy all three consoles for the state of Kansas, comes into every thread about the current-gen war, unnecessarily and inappropriately condescends, and engages in other boring-ass activities reminiscent of someone who should truly find something better to do than be a bastard in threads related to something he has no interest in?

Or is that too broad?[/quote]

And you were the first post after him too lol. That's brutal.

ZING!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']True, but you must admit that someplace will have a sale on the game such that, I'm willing to bet you'll be able to buy Halo 3 new for $40-45 within a month of 9/25 (I don't mean price glitches or that GCO nonsense, either).[/quote]Indeed, you never know what stores might do. However, I'm thinking that we won't see a reduction that significant, even in a sale, until after Christmas. But we'll see.

It'll be truly interesting to see how the end-game numbers for this generation look. To see if Halo 3 has as big of an impact on the 360 as they're hoping for, to see if the Wii can really maintin its unbelievable momentum, and to see if Sony can counteract many of the fumbles they had in the last year and a 1/2 to become a respectable, affordable platform in the end.
 
Yeah Sony is finished, even though they have exclusives like.

Gran Turismo 5
Tekken 6
Metal Gear Solid 4
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Rachet and Clank Tools of Destruction

Yeah their definitely finished.
 
[quote name='VAD3R or Fro']Yeah Sony is finished, even though they have exclusives like.

Gran Turismo 5
Tekken 6
Metal Gear Solid 4
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Rachet and Clank Tools of Destruction

Yeah their definitely finished.[/quote]


:rofl:

They sure are man, they sure are!!!
 
Which is stupid, because if you show 360 month to month sales from 2005 until November 2006, and then compare it with Sony's sales from November 2006 until now, Sony is actually doing better than the 360 did monthly sale wise. Sony is actually CATCHING up despite 360's lead.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']While gran turismo is a great car racing game, I don't think you can call it a system seller. Same for ratchet and clank. I think those that already own the system are going to be picking up those games. Final fantasy will move systems. I love you what if statement about developers tapping into the 360. Last I checked at some point UT3 should end up on the 360. .[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure about moving systems, but the GT series were some of the highest selling games on the PS2/PS1.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'm not sure about moving systems, but the GT series were some of the highest selling games on the PS2/PS1.[/quote]That surprises me a lot, but is very true. I mean, the games are great, but in my mind Racing Sims seem so niche, even more so than an arcadey racer like Burnout. But, I guess that shows what I know!
 
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