MLB 2007 World Series and Offseason Thread

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[quote name='dafoomie']I wonder about Hanley Ramirez myself, but Beckett was worth what they paid. I'm not sure Lowrie projects as a major league SS, more likely a 2B. Best you can hope for from him is average defense at SS anyway, his range isn't great.

I expect Drew will do better, but I like having power at the corner positions. Youkilis is already at 1st with the OBP and walks, now they've got a similar type of guy in right. I'm sure I'll be satisfied with Drew if he puts up his typical numbers, though.[/quote]

Well the great part is that with our pitching.. we don't need Drew and Lugo to have MVP seasons every year.

Hideki Okajima added a new pitch, most of the dominant parts of the bullpen are returning, and Lester/Bucholz/MDC/etc are all a year older and wiser now. Even Craig Hansen had surgery during the offseason (because he couldn't sleep = no rest = tired all the time) and should go back to being a decent piece of the puzzle.
 
[quote name='prence']Well the great part is that with our pitching.. we don't need Drew and Lugo to have MVP seasons every year.

Hideki Okajima added a new pitch, most of the dominant parts of the bullpen are returning, and Lester/Bucholz/MDC/etc are all a year older and wiser now. Even Craig Hansen had surgery during the offseason (because he couldn't sleep = no rest = tired all the time) and should go back to being a decent piece of the puzzle.[/quote]

Should be another good year. Okajima really does have some nasty stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing how Lester and Bucholz do now that they have another year under their belts, and now that Lester doesn't have something huge to worry about (health) as opposed to concentrating on his pitching.
 
I do not bet okajima will put up similiar numbers...he was a mediocre pitcher in japan. He does have a funky delivery that fools hitters. After facing him a couple of times, most good MLB hitters will adjust. Even the redsox are thinking he won't put up those numbers, as they have prepared manny delcarmen to close games that paplebon won't be available in. Last year that was Oki's job, and the sox are moving forward.

Are pitching is almost as suspect as the yanks right now. Beckett is great. Dice could be great, but has yet to prove that in the MLB. Lester and buckholtz have as much of a possiblity of being good/great this season as hughes and kennedy. Neither lester or bucholz have a year of MLB ball under there belts. Buckholz has a couple of outings, and lester has 2 x 1/2 seasons. There has been NO INFO on the recovery of wakefield. For all we know we will be stuck with julian tavarez as the 5th starter for 1/2 the season. For every 1 - 0 loss that taverez got facing johan santana last year, he had several starts where he was horrible. His W/L was embarrassing as a starter, and his era was well over 5.

I have a lot of faith in hansen and lester. But they along with buckholtz have a lot to prove and a lot of inn to pitch before are considered good mlb players. They are all prospects as of right now.

We do need the offense to click better this year. We got an incredible run out of wakefield last year at the begining of the season. Schilling, while his W/L didn't show it, his era was solid and kept the team competitive in the majority of his outings. As of right now, neither wake or schilling will be starting the season in the rotation. They will need a lot more offense to offset that. Both lester and buckholtz will have peaks and valleys this season, we don't know how either will react if they get booed (ala last years rookie of the year Dustin Pedroia) if they start off horrible. As of now there is no safety net besides julian tavarez.
 
Just curious if people may be interested in an ESPN fantasy baseball keeper league. I'm trying to start one up so if anyone is interested, just PM me.
 
redsox signed tito francona to a 3 year deal...I believe the team has 2 years of options following that

redsox signed bartolo colon to a minor league deal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_y...ALsT0bYF?slug=txredsoxcolon&prov=st&type=lgns

This is a great deal for them. If he works out that is great he can prevent us from using julian tavarez as the number 5 guy. It was only 2 seasons ago that he was a cy young winner. If he doesn't work out, then we aren't losing much financially. While I believe that redsox orgaizational members would talk about a competition for the 5th spot no matter what the situation. It appears the beat reporters are resigned to the fact that clay buckholtz will be heading back to AAA for at least the first few months for more seasoning. Most of the reporters seem to think the redsox aren't ready to give him a full season at the MLB level yet.
 
ouch..i remeber watching that and wishing for fox to be covering the alcs..that is how bad i thought of there coverage...IIRC, they also had a lot of technical issues.
 
maybe there "A" team announcers...but in one of the sox series, we had the "B" team...everything was horrible...the announcers, the production, the film/camera control
 
It was their first time doing something on that scale. You have to expect some hiccups.

A once a week game will surely get the 'A' team.
 
maybe...personally, I love the way NESN handles the games for the redsox. I like the announcing crew, the footage is great and everything runs smoothly. Why the fuck would I want them pre empted by some tbs coverage 2 x in the first 8 sundays that tbs is doing. Even if a local coverage isn't the best, I can't imagine that a local would want to watch it on tbs rather then there local provider. As for the some hiccups, I could understand, but all the sports radio was killing tbs and there horrible coverage. Listening to a national guy talk about your hometown team is horrible. They have to remain upbeat, even if you team is getting killed or vice versa. I prefer homer coverage then national coverage. There is no reason for this to be done, I haven't really heard for a clamoring of games to be played nationally.
 
Well, when TBS did the Braves, the crew was top-notch. That crew stayed on with SportSouth, and we get some no-name crew for national games.

Hopefully we'll get a better announcing crew.
 
of course they did great for the braves...they had a routine setup for the film crews/producers, and most of all the announcers where calling the braves games every day. You get the homerism in there. A marginal call, is torn apart because it went against there team. I listened the the yanks radio broadcasts from time to time, espically last year in the playoffs. It drove me nuts at how much they thougth the yanks shit didn't smell. But if I was a yankee fan I would probably love that. You won't get that from national guys. Also TBS HD broadcast last fall picture quality wasn't up to snuff compared to fox or even NESN (the local redsox station). I hate the playoffs due to the fact that we lose the local announcers and coverage, but it is tolerable. Now we have to deal with this shit even more.
 
redsox are looking into the health of freddy garcia....


bartolo colon is ahead of schdule and could start pitching as soon as march 9th
 
[quote name='ryanbph']maybe...personally, I love the way NESN handles the games for the redsox. I like the announcing crew, the footage is great and everything runs smoothly. Why the fuck would I want them pre empted by some tbs coverage 2 x in the first 8 sundays that tbs is doing. Even if a local coverage isn't the best, I can't imagine that a local would want to watch it on tbs rather then there local provider. As for the some hiccups, I could understand, but all the sports radio was killing tbs and there horrible coverage. Listening to a national guy talk about your hometown team is horrible. They have to remain upbeat, even if you team is getting killed or vice versa. I prefer homer coverage then national coverage. There is no reason for this to be done, I haven't really heard for a clamoring of games to be played nationally.[/QUOTE]
Don Orsillo was doing the NL TBS games, thats why people liked it even though TBS is awful. (for the rest of you, Don Orsillo is the Red Sox play by play announcer).

If they have some arrangement with him like Fox used to with Jerry Remy, it could be OK. Considering that their broadcast won't air in the other team's market (Canada), I see no reason why they couldn't use them for that game. TBS was trash last year, though. Absolute trash. They looked every bit like the 2nd rate cable channel they are.
 
I am still trying to figure out why Joe Buck gets to do the Superbowl and the World Series. I will admit that I thought he did his best job ever this past Superbowl but I can't stand the guy.
Go A's!
 
I love hank steinbreener and what he will be bringing to the redsox/yankee rivalary

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3271124&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

some of his great lines

"Red Sox Nation?" What a bunch of [expletive] that is," he said in an interview with The New York Times' Play magazine. "That was a creation of the Red Sox and ESPN, which is filled with Red Sox fans.
"Go anywhere in America and you won't see Red Sox hats and jackets, you'll see Yankee hats and jackets. This is a Yankee country. We're going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order."
 
I'm looking for a few managers to fill out a yahoo league with some of my friends, if anyone is interested, just pm me with your email.

BTW, nice to see with Hank Steinbrenner, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
 
regardless if the sox are the 3rd best team in baseball or not, I hope to god they go to NY and sweep them in the first series to see Hank lose his marbles.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']regardless if the sox are the 3rd best team in baseball or not, I hope to god they go to NY and sweep them in the first series to see Hank lose his marbles.[/quote]

Most years as an outside fan (Cubs and NL fan) I would root for the Sox over the "Evil Empire" but this year I'm to the point where I'd almost like to see the Yanks return to form. Red Sox fans have gotten too full of themselves and need to be knocked down a peg IMHO. Winning is one thing, winning and being a complete cock about it is too much.

EDIT: Nevermind, when Hank Steinbrenner says crap like he's going to put the "universe back in alignment" by getting the Yankees back to the top I'd like to see both teams lose.
 
Yeah, Red Sox nation wasn't around 10 years ago, it was just a marketing campaign made up to try and get momentum away from the stupid Yankees.
Raider Nation however has been around forever.
 
[quote name='HuppSav']Yeah, Red Sox nation wasn't around 10 years ago, it was just a marketing campaign made up to try and get momentum away from the stupid Yankees.
Raider Nation however has been around forever.[/QUOTE]
The term "Red Sox Nation" was coined in 1986 after their World Series loss to the Mets. The Red Sox marketing department has only been using it to make money for a few years, however. But hey, whatever keeps our payroll competitive with the Yankees is just fine.

"Red Sox Nation" isn't a reference to the Sox being popular nationally at all, its just a reference to Red Sox fans in general.
 
redsox nation i believe cost $ to be a member of, and they had elections last season for president of redsox nation...sox nesn announcer jerry remmy won the election and was sworn into office of redsox nation during the sox whitehouse visit. IMO it is fucking retarded.
 
What the team has done with the name is pretty retarded, but it wasn't their term to use in the first place. This'll probably lead to Sox fans referring to themselves in other ways to avoid associating with that crap.

Its basically a kids fanclub.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']a kids fanclub targeted to adults. ;)[/quote]


LOL@hank

what a douche. just give the sox more bulliten board material for them to get more fired up to beat his ass.

i never even knew Red Sox Nation even existed till this year and ive been watching baseball for 20 years. I would rather eat ray knight's left sock than to go to Yankee Country...where ever that is.
 
And Alou is hurt before the season even starts. Why did the Mets resign this guy. Yeah he can hit but that's if he can actually make it to the field. I was hoping the Mets would replace him this offseason. Now he is out until May. What a waste.
 
and you have injury problems w/ delgado


pablebons is being a little bitch...you are under contract stop whinning and crying about it...this is how baseball is done...no one forced him to sign a 5 year deal that the redsox sign almost all draft picks at...he wants mariano money now, and who the fuck knows if he will be this good for that long...it isn't like he has a clean medical history...
 
Barry Zito is the reason I:

-Throw trash out my window
-Don't donate money to charities
-Flunk School
-Beat my girlfriend

Thanks Barry Zito!
 
[quote name='ryanbph']and you have injury problems w/ delgado


pablebons is being a little bitch...you are under contract stop whinning and crying about it...this is how baseball is done...no one forced him to sign a 5 year deal that the redsox sign almost all draft picks at...he wants mariano money now, and who the fuck knows if he will be this good for that long...it isn't like he has a clean medical history...[/QUOTE]
He's just trying to leverage the media and public opinion against the Sox, his agent knows they are very media conscious. Its the only leverage they have.

He'll get his money in arbitration next year, for sure. It might be wise to give him a 2 year deal worth next year's likely arbitration award + this year's salary, but the Sox hold all the cards here.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']He's just trying to leverage the media and public opinion against the Sox, his agent knows they are very media conscious. Its the only leverage they have.

He'll get his money in arbitration next year, for sure. It might be wise to give him a 2 year deal worth next year's likely arbitration award + this year's salary, but the Sox hold all the cards here.[/quote]


It is true to a point...but the majority of the fans and media wanted the entire 2004 team resigned...they wanted damon back..they might care what the media thinks, but unless it is something the believe in they don't always act upon it..

besides the point, IMO, it is making him look like a fucking baby...they have him for what 3 more years, and he is bitching now? You want it to be a media thing, have your agent do the talking..scott boras does that very well...don't ever get in front of a mic and talk the shit that is coming out of his mouth...2 great seasons, and he wants the money that mariano is making...What a big whinny little bitch...he can dance his way to another team. I hate people that are making the money they make that whine about not getting paid when there fulltime job is playing a kids game. It isn't like he is in finacial hard ship.
 
[quote name='DomLando']And Alou is hurt before the season even starts. Why did the Mets resign this guy. Yeah he can hit but that's if he can actually make it to the field. I was hoping the Mets would replace him this offseason. Now he is out until May. What a waste.[/quote]

i dont know either. in a matter of a week...all of our starting OF except for Beltran is on the DL. heres hoping to Endy can fill his bat....
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']i dont know either. in a matter of a week...all of our starting OF except for Beltran is on the DL. heres hoping to Endy can fill his bat....[/QUOTE]

i think we need to pick up kenny lofton
 
[quote name='ryanbph']It is true to a point...but the majority of the fans and media wanted the entire 2004 team resigned...they wanted damon back..they might care what the media thinks, but unless it is something the believe in they don't always act upon it..

besides the point, IMO, it is making him look like a fucking baby...they have him for what 3 more years, and he is bitching now? You want it to be a media thing, have your agent do the talking..scott boras does that very well...don't ever get in front of a mic and talk the shit that is coming out of his mouth...2 great seasons, and he wants the money that mariano is making...What a big whinny little bitch...he can dance his way to another team. I hate people that are making the money they make that whine about not getting paid when there fulltime job is playing a kids game. It isn't like he is in finacial hard ship.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if I agree with that, I didn't particularly want Damon back, and for example, I don't particularly want Manny back after this year. I think most Sox fans were realistic after the 2004 season that we would only get 2 of the 4 big free agency guys back, and as far as anyone was concerned, Vartiek was by far the most important.

As far as Papelbon, I think his request was perfectly reasonable given the current system of payroll in MLB. Players have the ability to make these demands, and a lot do. I personally agreed with Papelbon's complaint, he's probably the #1 or #2 closer in the league right now, and was making league minimum. The Red Sox A) want to keep him and B) Can afford to pay him more, and did so.

You can say it's not going to cause him financial hardship by not getting double his salary, but you can also say "Jeez, the Red Sox can really afford to pay the best closer in the league $725,000 rather than $425,000 just like every other successful young player requests."
 
Poor Mets:

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mets should sign bonds....buster olney had a great article on it on espn


as for lordwow, I didn't want damon or varitek back. The age of them and the amount they wanted wasn't smart business after 2004. But IMO the majority of redsox fans wanted damon back. WEEI was lit up with phone calls with people bitching about it. Look at the pink red sox hats/tshirt craze...most of that was geared to female johnny damon fans. The overwheming majority of pink redsox tshirts had damons name and # on the back.

Did paps deserve more money...yes...but the 2 issues I have are he signed a contract and had agreed to terms just because you developed into a great commodity during that contract means that you can cry about wanting respect and more money. Be a man and play untill your contract is out. the 2nd issue was the way he went about it. He could have had his agent doing all the spin, but no that dumb fuck stands in front of the mic and claims he isn't doing it for himself but for future players. I don't like how it was handled by paps and I don't like players that whine about how little they are being paid in the middle of the contract THEY signed. It has gone on for years in all sports. The younger players, no matter how good they are, get paid shit compared to older veterans. I would love for an NFL style salary cap implemented into the MLB, but the players union is too strong for that.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']mets should sign bonds....buster olney had a great article on it on espn


as for lordwow, I didn't want damon or varitek back. The age of them and the amount they wanted wasn't smart business after 2004. But IMO the majority of redsox fans wanted damon back. WEEI was lit up with phone calls with people bitching about it. Look at the pink red sox hats/tshirt craze...most of that was geared to female johnny damon fans. The overwheming majority of pink redsox tshirts had damons name and # on the back.

Did paps deserve more money...yes...but the 2 issues I have are he signed a contract and had agreed to terms just because you developed into a great commodity during that contract means that you can cry about wanting respect and more money. Be a man and play untill your contract is out. the 2nd issue was the way he went about it. He could have had his agent doing all the spin, but no that dumb fuck stands in front of the mic and claims he isn't doing it for himself but for future players. I don't like how it was handled by paps and I don't like players that whine about how little they are being paid in the middle of the contract THEY signed. It has gone on for years in all sports. The younger players, no matter how good they are, get paid shit compared to older veterans. I would love for an NFL style salary cap implemented into the MLB, but the players union is too strong for that.[/QUOTE]

Very few players play under their contract for the full term. That's why arbitration is important.

If you're arguing that the girls who wear pink Damon shirts are Red Sox fans, you are wrong. They are not fans.
 
[quote name='lordwow']
If you're arguing that the girls who wear pink Damon shirts are Red Sox fans, you are wrong. They are not fans.[/QUOTE]

They may or may not be fans. The only thing you can judge from those pink things is that they have bad taste.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']as for lordwow, I didn't want damon or varitek back. The age of them and the amount they wanted wasn't smart business after 2004.[/QUOTE]
Damon no, not at those dollars. But Varitek had to be signed. What do you replace him with? Its impossible to get catching these days.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Very few players play under their contract for the full term. That's why arbitration is important.

If you're arguing that the girls who wear pink Damon shirts are Red Sox fans, you are wrong. They are not fans.[/quote]

very few bitch like papblebond did

I would think redsox ownership would disagree with you...while many might not know the finer details of baseball or take part in fantasy baseball leagues, they still coughed up money to buy one of those shirts


As for the varitek signing, no one was even close to the money or the length of contract with him..I think the other offer was $2 - $3 mill less then what we gave him for 2 years less of a contract...he is one of the best playcallers in the game, but at the time we had a huge catching prospect in kelly shopach available, or we could have actually kept all star catcher josh bard on the team.
 
[quote name='st0neface']i think we need to pick up kenny lofton[/quote]


haha yeah agreed. any OF help would be well appreciated. I think this gives Brady Clark a sure spot on the bench.

Ryannph,

yeah i read that article. I wouldnt be opposed to it. as much as i hate him....he can still contribute some help..and even without steroids he is still a threat at the plate. ill take my chances at this point lol
 
Oh good lord no! The Cubs are hoping to play part of their season on the SOUTH SIDE while they renovate Wrigley Field! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I don't want anything to do with "THE CELL" and those dirty south siders!
 
beckett left before the game started today with back spasms...:( no word on how long he will be out, or if he will be out at all.
 
casy janssen, a middle reliever who was to compete for the 5th spot in the rotation is done for the season for the blue jays...too bad he was a solid young pitcher...the injury bug continues to what the bluejays
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/news/story?id=3289372


the yanks and rays had a bench clearing brawl today...i have no problem with barreling over a catcher blocking the plate..spring training or not...but shelly duncans cleats were hitting the 2b/ss high up in his groin area...that is dirty play take a look at the picture on espn to see how high up that cleat was

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/news/story?id=3289751
 
red sox released doug mirabelli and was placed on unconditional waivers...about fucking time...I never understood why they let him go in the first place a couple of years ago, and then traded clay merideth and josh bard to get him back...one of the worst trades in theo's tenure as gm...He seems like a good guy, and he does handle the knuckle ball well...but they weren't even giving catchers a chance to get used to wakefield...when bard was here, he wasn't catching him the majority of spring training as they had a 2 other guys slotted ahead of him...
 
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