MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

[quote name='MSUHitman']DefCon 3 in St. Louis right now, might be DefCon 2 by the time the sports radio shows start up in the morning.[/QUOTE]

How is it now? Red are officially in first place by 1/2 a game.


Hanley Ramirez got benched after the 2nd inning against the DBacks. Ramirez made a play on a ball hit to shallow lf and kicked the ball by accident a good 100 feet. He then jogged to get the ball which let 2 runners score.
 
Yeah, Gonzalez did the right thing by taking Ramirez out of the game.

Jackson was impressive last night, I wish he would throw his slider like that more often.
 
[quote name='yukine']Yeah, Gonzalez did the right thing by taking Ramirez out of the game.

Jackson was impressive last night, I wish he would throw his slider like that more often.[/QUOTE]

i wish he would do that more to help my fantasy team :D

As for Paps,
I think he leaves his fast ball over the plate wayyy to much...and especially when its against the Yankees he is now paying for it. I think they figured him out and they just sit on that fast ball and then when he leaves it hanging...he pays for it....He reminds me of Armando Benetiz. He was decent but he lived and died by his fast ball.

I do know if the Sox have anyone better that can close the 9th for them at this point. Daniel Bard??
 
[quote name='wildcpac']One "bad start" where great hitters worked the count and tired him out by the 5th. One bad pitch on a 1-2 count turned a 6-2 decent 5 innings into a 6-5 average start. I wouldn't be too worried. Guy would have gone 6 innings strong if Pedroia didn't put in a great 10 pitch at bat.[/QUOTE]

What I read: Excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse.
 
I feel its only a matter of time before Fredi Gonzalez is gone from Florida. Its clear the future is being built around Hanley no matter how much of a whiner he is.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I said he has been playing with fire. Papelbum for the most part is a pretty closer but he is definately overrated and cause angina for Red Sox fans. He is the modern day version of Wetteland. He will put the leadoff runner on base in a 1 run game and that runner always seems to get over to 2nd or 3rd with less than 2 outs. He will then get a strike out and ground out/pop out to end the game. It seems like every save recently that I have seen he is playing with fire.[/QUOTE]

You said he was the most overrated closer in baseball and he has been lucky the past couple seasons. I just posted the stats to show how he is not overrated.
 
[quote name='DomLando']You said he was the most overrated closer in baseball and he has been lucky the past couple seasons. I just posted the stats to show how he is not overrated.[/QUOTE]

He has been lucky. Go on any Red Sox message board and they will all tell you he has been lucky.


The guy for the most part has been an escape artist who puts the tying runner on base in a save situation and that runner always ends up in scoring position with less than 2 outs. He then settles down a bit and gets a k or ground out to end the game. He is the modern day John Wetteland.

He almost had back to back blown saves in 2 run games against the Orioles at home a month ago. Both times he had several runners on base with 1 out and got Julio Lugo among other Oriole scrubs to strike out. Does he get the job done? Yup 9 times out of 10. My point was that 6 out of those 9 times he is playing with absolute fire and it's bound to burn him. Just last night he threw like 16 fastballs in a row. I do not know if it's because he is pitching to Vmart/Tek but he is afraid to throw any other pitch to them.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']What I read: Excuse, excuse, excuse, excuse.[/QUOTE]

Excuse? The guy faced one of the better lineups in baseball that is 4th in baseball in runs scored. Plus he just faced the same offense a little over a week ago. I am not going to get worried because Pedroia put up a great 10 plus pitch at bat to keep the inning going in the 5th and Hughes threw 1 bad pitch to Drew. Tip your cap and move on.
 
Andre Eithier to the DL with a broken finger.


Guy was having a triple crown like start for the first 6 weeks. 1st in BA and RBI's and tied for first in HR's.


How in the world is Trevor Hoffman still a closer in 2010? Just retire already old man so Rivera can surpass you in a couple of years and be the rightful owner of the most saves in Baseball history. Reds trailed 4-1 going into the bottom of the 8th, scored a run and 3 more in the 9th to win 5-4 over the Brewers. Red are now 23-16 on the season and a full game up on the Cards.

Hoffman in 0.0 innings gave up 1 walk, 4 hits, 1 homerun and 3 runs. Hoffman for the season is 1-3, 5 blown saves, 13.15 era, whip of 2.15, 7 homeruns given up in 13 innings, 7 walks to 8 k's. Brewers should just DFA him today, Hoffman signs with the Padres for 1 day and retires. I bet the only reason why he is sticking around while stinking up the joint is because he is at 596 saves and wants to retire with 600.
 
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They were talking about Hoffman before on MLB Network, and it's clear that there simply isn't enough left on his fastball to make his change-up effective. Because if you watch some of the pitches that have been blasted, they often aren't too bad. Some of them look like the batter nearly hit them off the ground. But people can just sit on that change-up now and react to fastball if they have to.
 
Wow another tough loss for the Mets. I wonder how many fans stay away from Citi Field this weekend. Team still hasn't figured out that Mejia needs tuning in the minor leagues. That 8 game? win streak added an extra month to Omar and Manuel's job. Wilpons sure are a stupid bunch. Any other business and they would be bankrupt.
 
Papelbon gets the escape tonight. Definitely one of the ugliest saves I've seen though. With a real lineup, the Yankees would have won that game. Runner on 3rd with one out, and Juan Miranda can't get the job done. Too bad Paps was too afraid to go after Thames after last night. I was pretty confident in him at least tying the game. Sucks to waste a strong outing from Sabathia as well. A lot of errors in this game too. Really weird series.
 
Congrats to the Umpires for beating the Yankees. So great to see the Umps give extra outs to the other team int he top of the 9th. Hermida and McDonald were both struck out and none of those winning runs would have scored.



Ooooo and Randy Lose needs to get the hell off my fucking team and DFA'ed ASAP. I never EVER EVER want to see Marcus Thames playing in the OF ever again. Guy is a fucking butcher.



Oooo and Girardi just reconfirmed how big of a moron he is. Cano on 2nd with no outs and Cisco up down 1 at home. Cisco is a ground ball singles hitter who is pretty good in the clutch and doesn't strike out. What does Girardi have him do? You guessed it. Bunt. Should I mention that Girardi was playing for 1 run in a game where the rest of the bullpen was dog shit?
Should I mention that Girardi gave away an out with Thames, Miranda and Randy Lose due up? Girardi took the bat out of one of his better hitters hands tonight to pass the baton off to a an ok player who strikes out alot, a rookie and a fucking washed up scrub hasbeen.

What ends up happening? Thames walks because you know Papelbum wasn't going to challenge him, Miranda hits a weak ground out to the pitcher and the has been scrub strikes out to end the game. Great job Joe for taking the bat out of a clut hitters hands.
 
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[quote name='slickkill77']:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Yesterday he's the hero, now you hate him.


David Price: 6-1, 1.81 era, 44k, 1.08 WHIP, .197 BAA, 1 CG SHO[/QUOTE]



Let me know when your team beats the Fillies in the World Series. How did 08 work for you? That Pat Burrell signing was such a great move.


Opps, I forgot that they lost.


I'll tell you something that is even more hilarious. When in a couple of years your best players are playing for the Yankees, Sox, Dodgers, Angels and Mets. Care to hear something else that is hilarious? The fact that nobody in Tampa cares about that team. WNBA games get bigger draws.
 
blame everything else but the Yankees lost tonight because they didnt get the job done. There is no excuse to blow a 5 run lead and plus you have your eight and ninth should be able to close it out. Joba had a HUGE hiccup while Mo had a small one. Defense didn't help the cause either. as far as i am concerned...the Yankees let the Red Sox back in.The Bullpen basically blew Sabathia's incredible start. That should be the concern right now for the Yankees. I am sure enough they will recover but just chalk it up to a bad loss.

This series is so strange. any team that is up is down later....same in both games...both star closers blow their games and it both came down to 9th inning home runs. Stuff like this is why i enjoy Yankees/Red Sox and why I enjoy baseball...what will happen tomorrow lol.

Mets suck end of story. Wright needs to change that GIANT swing of his. He is now light years ahead of Justin Upton in Ks with 55....he K'd 3 more times tonight.....and the our bullpen blew Santana's good start. This game should be the message that Jhenry Meihia was never ready for major league duty and should be sent down to develop more pitches.Well at least we will be able to RA Dickey up against the Natties...Whoo for the knuckle baller....This team is not even hurt and we will have half of the Buffalo Bisons up to play for us...just send up Dillon Gee,FMart, and Jason Pirdie and we are all set. lol
 
Bullpen blew it sure. Still doesn't change the fact that the Yankees were screwed over 5000 ways to Sunday.

Top of the 8th. Scutaro grounds out to Arod to start the inning. Arod throws the ball to Tex which has Tex lose his footing off of the bag AFTER he had his foot on the bag and the ball in his glove. Ump screws over the Yankees and calls Scutaro safe. Joba gets screwed and a pretty good offensive team is given extra outs thanks tot he Umps.

Top of the 9th. Rivera has Darnell McDonald struck out 2 different ways. The ball goes through the strike zone and McDonald's bat goes around further than a check swing. Somehow both the home plate umpire and the 3rd base umpire were asleep and didn't call it a strike. McDonald gets a hit a couple of pitches later.

Top of the 9th continued. Rivera has Hermida struck out on a 1-2 pitch. Umpires were somehow asleep again and screw over the Yankees. Hermida goes on to get a 2 run double to break the back of the Yankees.


Did the Yankees get screwed over by Joba imploding? Sure. Did the Yankees get screwed by Thames dropping an easy out? Sure. Still doesn't change the fact that the Sox were given 3 extra outs in the top of the 8th and 9th. Combine that with the Wins getting extra outs in the top of the 8th on Sunday with Joba having Span struck out and Rivera having Thome struck out. I have every right to be pissed about how god awful the umpires have been.
 
OoO an attendance joke.... How original. Sorry we haven't been around for 100+ years and we don't have millions to spend on steroid and hgh users like Andy Pettitte, Arod, Clemens, Giambi. What you fail to realize is that our attendance has grown for three straight years despite the avg mlb attendance falling. Your just mad that our GM/Owner/President combo can kick your GM/Owner/President combo's ass with 150% less resources available to them.

Ahh your the reason I hate Yankees and Red Soxs fans. You have this sense of entitlement to you. You finally when a world series after spending all the money since 01 and suddenly you guys are macho men again.


Yep Pat Burrell sucked, but how did: Kevin Brown. Kei Igawa, Giambi, Pavano, Randy Johnson, Farnsworth, and A-Rod in the playoffs prior to 09 work out?
 
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I honestly didn't think the Red Sox were in that game and didn't even check the box score, busy day. Glad they won. Though if the umps screwed the Yankees in the Bronz, I'm sure its a sign. Of what, I'm not sure.
 
wildcpac and slickkill arguing is like the biggest homer fight ever. slickkill hates absolutely everything related to the Yankees and won't even acknowledge them being good in any way. wildcpac thinks the Yankees should win every game. Why are you guys even talking to each other? lol
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']wildcpac and slickkill arguing is like the biggest homer fight ever. slickkill hates absolutely everything related to the Yankees and won't even acknowledge them being good in any way. wildcpac thinks the Yankees should win every game. Why are you guys even talking to each other? lol[/QUOTE]

its only to get worse with tonight game.

ah our bullpen blows the game after two incredible plays.....The Mets can never end a night on a good note can they. =/
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']its only to get worse with tonight game.

ah our bullpen blows the game after two incredible plays.....The Mets can never end a night on a good note can they. =/[/QUOTE]

You are not expecting this now? I think Nieve has been in every game this year..
 
[quote name='DomLando']You are not expecting this now? I think Nieve has been in every game this year..[/QUOTE]

no i always did...but it would be nice after an insider the park and a triple play...first two ever at Citi but to spoil with the world's worst bullpen today lol. Valdes,Acosta,Perez,and nieve.....and with Nieve being horridly overworked.

Oh yeah Jerry, loved the fact that you sac'd bunt with the lead and took out a pitcher who was pitching great....another genius move by the great one.

C'mon Wilpon even Dolan said enough is enough...please do the same.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']its only to get worse with tonight game.[/QUOTE]

Haha, really. As a Yankee fan, the only thing I take out of tonight's game is that AJ pitched like shit and couldn't find the strikezone to save his life. And you can't do that against a good team. The Yankee bats didn't do much until the 9th when Sonnanstine tried to give the game away, but it doesn't help when your #2 gives up 6 runs by the 4th inning. With so many position players out (and Jeter obviously hurting), the pitching really needs to carry this team until they can heal up. Hopefully Pettitte can once again show AJ how it's done tomorrow.
 
Posada out with a hairline fracture in his right foot for a month. Thames with a sprained right ankle.

Yankees DL now includes Granderson, Johnson and Posada. Thames should be added and Swisher has hurt biceps. Thats 4/9 of the starting lineup and the best bat off the bench. Good thing none of the 2nd place teams in the other divisions are doing well this year.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']no i always did...but it would be nice after an insider the park and a triple play...first two ever at Citi but to spoil with the world's worst bullpen today lol. Valdes,Acosta,Perez,and nieve.....and with Nieve being horridly overworked.

Oh yeah Jerry, loved the fact that you sac'd bunt with the lead and took out a pitcher who was pitching great....another genius move by the great one.

C'mon Wilpon even Dolan said enough is enough...please do the same.[/QUOTE]

They play one more with Washington, then 3 against the Yankees, 3 against the Phillies and then go on the road for 6 games. Manuel will hopefully be fired during or on the 6 game road trip. I fully expect them to go 1-6 or 2-5 their next 7 games.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Posada out with a hairline fracture in his right foot for a month. Thames with a sprained right ankle.

Yankees DL now includes Granderson, Johnson and Posada. Thames should be added and Swisher has hurt biceps. Thats 4/9 of the starting lineup and the best bat off the bench. Good thing none of the 2nd place teams in the other divisions are doing well this year.[/QUOTE]

Yup. And you know Jeter is hurting too. Yanks just need to stay afloat and play .500 ball for the next month or so, and let guys heal up. Pitching staff has to step up and carry the burden. Can't give up more than 3 runs per game.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']OoO an attendance joke.... How original. Sorry we haven't been around for 100+ years and we don't have millions to spend on steroid and hgh users like Andy Pettitte, Arod, Clemens, Giambi. What you fail to realize is that our attendance has grown for three straight years despite the avg mlb attendance falling. Your just mad that our GM/Owner/President combo can kick your GM/Owner/President combo's ass with 150% less resources available to them.[/QUOTE]

You sound just as silly as wildpac, sir. Bringing up steroids is dumb, because unfortunately, steroids tainted the whole game, just not the Yankee rosters. Sure plenty of Rays used steroids as well, partner. As far as the Rays' front office "kicking" the asses of the Yankee front office, who really cares? Is that like some kind of a moral victory? All I care about is whether or not the team I root for wins. Last time I checked, the Yankees won the World Series last year. Don't really care how much money they spent. That's not my problem. Sure as hell wasn't my money.
 
Biggest comeback of the season just happened today. Reds had a 9-3 lead going into the bottom of the 9th. Braves scored 7 including a Brooks Conrad walkoff grand slam to win the game. Should be mentioned that the Reds were only able to get 1 out in the bottom of the 9th while giving up 7 runs. That is fucking unheard of.


Reds lead 9-1 at one point in the game. The walkoff grand slam went off of Lance Nix's glove who could have caught it.
 
Yankees lose in the top of the 1st. Season was showing promises of 1998 and has turned into 2008. Rays are a scary good team so far this season and the Yankees injury bug is making them field a JV team. I refuse to watch Juan Miranda and Randy Winn start with Chad Moeller on the bench.


You know the season is turning into shit when Jeter finally gets a hit for the month of May and Gardner of all people gidp's.


Have to give old man Griffey Jr credit for a walkoff hit today against the Blue Jays. Jays had a 3-1 lead going into the bottom of the 9th and somehow found a way to give a team that never scores runs 3 in the bottom of the 9th.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Yankees lose in the top of the 1st. Season was showing promises of 1998 and has turned into 2008. Rays are a scary good team so far this season and the Yankees injury bug is making them field a JV team. I refuse to watch Juan Miranda and Randy Winn start with Chad Moeller on the bench.


You know the season is turning into shit when Jeter finally gets a hit for the month of May and Gardner of all people gidp's.


Have to give old man Griffey Jr credit for a walkoff hit today against the Blue Jays. Jays had a 3-1 lead going into the bottom of the 9th and somehow found a way to give a team that never scores runs 3 in the bottom of the 9th.[/QUOTE]

bro. like I said over in the Ferrall forum, you gotta simmer down.

Yeah the Yankees have been getting bitten by the injury bug, but they have a roster full of mostly older players, it happens...

like n8 said above, if they can just keep afloat for the next month at .500, they are going to be fine in the long haul. And if they never get healthy, it is what it is... this stuff happens.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']bro. like I said over in the Ferrall forum, you gotta simmer down.

Yeah the Yankees have been getting bitten by the injury bug, but they have a roster full of mostly older players, it happens...

like n8 said above, if they can just keep afloat for the next month at .500, they are going to be fine in the long haul. And if they never get healthy, it is what it is... this stuff happens.[/QUOTE]

I was being serious about the injuries and the Rays being a great team. I was being sarcastic about the Yankees having lost the game in the first inning. I was trying to reverse jinx the team. I am far from angry.
 
i hear ya... but injuries happen. Yankees are the one team that can actual deal with multiple ones. I consider them lucky to be in that position.
 
Dear Cincinnati Reds, there are 9 innings in a game. Play all of them and don't give up a game winning slam to a bench guy who almost lost the game for his team when he was trotting around first base. That would've been almost as bad as blowing an 8 run lead.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']i hear ya... but injuries happen. Yankees are the one team that can actual deal with multiple ones. I consider them lucky to be in that position.[/QUOTE]

I am allowed to be pissed off now. 2nd and 3rd with no outs and great speed on the bases. Mark weakly grounds out, Arod Strikes out and Cano makes another out.
 
[quote name='DomLando']They play one more with Washington, then 3 against the Yankees, 3 against the Phillies and then go on the road for 6 games. Manuel will hopefully be fired during or on the 6 game road trip. I fully expect them to go 1-6 or 2-5 their next 7 games.[/QUOTE]

Yeah we have a toughy set coming up with the Yanks and Phills. I dont like our chances 1 bit. Sure we won today but AGAIN almost blew it.

Send Meijia down already. he is now proven to be ineffective and with Igarashi coming back..send his ass down to develop him already. This is just ridiculous. He gives up 3 in 1 2/3....The majors has already figured him out..please someone send him down.

Rare 10 runs scored tonight...won't happen again for at least a month.

scary number- Wright is 0-41 with 2 strikes. That knock on the noggin really must have effected him.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Yeah we have a toughy set coming up with the Yanks and Phills. I dont like our chances 1 bit. Sure we won today but AGAIN almost blew it.

Send Meijia down already. he is now proven to be ineffective and with Igarashi coming back..send his ass down to develop him already. This is just ridiculous. He gives up 3 in 1 2/3....The majors has already figured him out..please someone send him down.

Rare 10 runs scored tonight...won't happen again for at least a month.

scary number- Wright is 0-41 with 2 strikes. That knock on the noggin really must have effected him.[/QUOTE]

Maine had a good outing tonight..
 
Rangers beat the Orioles to make it four straight wins in a row and a 4 game lead between them and any other team in the division. Got the Cubs in town this weekend. Should be an exciting series.
 
[quote name='GhostShark']Rangers beat the Orioles to make it four straight wins in a row and a 4 game lead between them and any other team in the division. Got the Cubs in town this weekend. Should be an exciting series.[/QUOTE]

They have a four game lead in the shittiest division. Which is sad for me to say, since I'm an Angels fan.
 
[quote name='Brownjohn']They have a four game lead in the shittiest division. Which is sad for me to say, since I'm an Angels fan.[/QUOTE]

I'm a Mariners fan. How are things doing up their in the standings?
 
I thought I was reading the Braves score wrong. Holy crap they came back.

Look who's in 3rd place in the NL West. Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Man, the young pitching in the NL West is nasty nasty nasty. Lincecum, Jiminez, Kershaw, Broxton, Latos, Sanchez, Billingsley, Kennedy, and on and on. Helps that there isn't a power offense in the division but if you like watching the kids out there firing heat, what a great place to be.
 
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Mets with another kick their fans in the balls loss today. Highlights include Javy Vazquez throwing a 1 through 6 with only 70 pitches before being taken out of the game after being hit on the index finger while bunting. Takayashi? making the Yankees look like 2 year olds all night through 6 innings. Couple of errors here and there and Kevin Russo getting the game winning 2 run hit.


David Wright looked flat out lost at the plate. 2 k's to bring his totals up to 57 for the season and grounded out to end the game with the tying run on 2nd.


Rays win 2 in NY but lose in Houston? what in the world is going on?
 
Was a good game, but Soriano is a terrible outfielder. The Rangers should sweep the series. The Rangers are very good at home (so-so on the road) at 18-7. Here's to hoping they continue to run away with the division.
 
Roy Oswalt has a demanded a trade out of Houston. He has a 2.66 era so far this year. I would have to put the Mets as the favorites due to the need for getting Oswalt. That is due to Ollie stinking, Nieve and Maine both going to the DL and Pelfrey not being the #2.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Mets with another kick their fans in the balls loss today. Highlights include Javy Vazquez throwing a 1 through 6 with only 70 pitches before being taken out of the game after being hit on the index finger while bunting. Takayashi? making the Yankees look like 2 year olds all night through 6 innings. Couple of errors here and there and Kevin Russo getting the game winning 2 run hit.


David Wright looked flat out lost at the plate. 2 k's to bring his totals up to 57 for the season and grounded out to end the game with the tying run on 2nd.


Rays win 2 in NY but lose in Houston? what in the world is going on?[/QUOTE]

Its Takahashi...and yes he was uber brilliant tonight....just leave it to the sad pen to blow the game to a rookie. The whole offense looked lost at the plate today....all that money spent on power hitters and this is all it gets us. If Tak gives us more games like that..Ollie is all but done as a NY Met.

you know who looks more lost than Wriight right now...its Jeff Francouer. He is back to his old self again. And here i thought he changed his plate discipline.
 
Takahashi was great tonight but no offense to his performance, the Yankees have a history going 10 plus years now in making rookies look like Cy Young. Especially when it's their first time against a rookie.

Perez is far from being removed. Not with Maine and Nieve on the DL.

Wright is more lost than Francouer. Wright struck out two times today with runners on base in scoring position and grounded out on the first pitch to end the game with Ike Davis on second base.


David Wright in 2004 as a rookie played in 70 games. He had 40 k's for the season. Which isn't that bad, especially for a rookie coming up and being new to the league.

David Wright from 2005-2008 averaged around 160 games a year and had around 115 k's a season. Not bad but not great. It was about 75 percent of the games he would strike out.

David Wright in 2009 played in 144 games with 140 K's. The per game average went from 75 percent to almost 100 percent.

David this year has 57 k's in 41 games. Compared to his rookie year, that's almost 20 more k's in 30 less games. You would think a player entering his prime would have things figured out compared to when they were a rookie. David is on pace for 220 k's on the season. That's 100 more than his peak years of 2005-2008. That's alarming in my book.
 
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