MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

[quote name='wildcpac']At least Arod came clean and told a half truth and won a legit title. Poor Roid Sox nation. 92 years since their last legit World Series. Big Poopi is still trying to figure out why he tested for Roids.[/QUOTE]
Bitch Tits was seen doing HGH with Kevin Brown as late as 04, and he's been linked to Galea, the HGH doctor. He could still be on it for all anyone knows, theres no urine test for it. HGH is probably as prevalent now as steroids were in the past, lets not kid ourselves. The game is no cleaner now than it was 15 years ago.

Big Papi might've been as wide as he is tall, but at least he never needed a bra.
 
Ortiz is a better person than Arod. Ever since Arod became the 3B for the Yanks I no longer considered myself a Yankee fan.

Galarraga has some class. Jim Joyce should be the second person in MLB retiring today
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Bitch Tits was seen doing HGH with Kevin Brown as late as 04, and he's been linked to Galea, the HGH doctor. He could still be on it for all anyone knows, theres no urine test for it. HGH is probably as prevalent now as steroids were in the past, lets not kid ourselves. The game is no cleaner now than it was 15 years ago.

Big Papi might've been as wide as he is tall, but at least he never needed a bra.[/QUOTE]

You've seen Ortiz in a sleeveless tank, right? He's got titties himself.

Not that I'm taking sides. Pretty much everyone in baseball has/is taken/taking something that enhances their performance.
 
[quote name='Gamer SDP']Ever since Arod became the 3B for the Yanks I no longer considered myself a Yankee fan.[/QUOTE]

No offense, but this statement is stupid as hell. If it's actually true, you never were a Yankee fan. I've been rooting for the team for over 20 years. Players come and go. At the end of the day, they're just employees.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']No offense, but this statement is stupid as hell. If it's actually true, you never were a Yankee fan. I've been rooting for the team for over 20 years. Players come and go. At the end of the day, they're just employees.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. There have been plenty of guys that the Yankees signed that I did not particularly like, but it's no reason for a true fan to stop liking a team. Besides, I mean, A-Rod is a douchebag, but is he honestly that bad? Has he ever been accused of raping someone? Beating a woman? Not taking care of his kids?
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']This is getting hysterical. Johan doesnt give up 1 run on this road trip and the mets cant do absolutely shit with it. What a joke.[/QUOTE]

Mets suck.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Can someone explain to me why we still use umps at all? I dream of a stable, definite strike zone. The variance of strikes is completely absurd.

Keep the guys calling outs on bases if you must, but there is no reason at all to not let the machine call balls and strikes.[/QUOTE]
Eh, time to review those jerks on the bases too.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']He's no Mel Hall or Jim Leyritz.[/QUOTE]

Or Balding Midget Leprechaun who shares the same DNA as his brother who molests little kids.

Or Wil Cordero who beat up his pregnant wife.


Or the whole 25 man rosters for 04 and 07 who used Roids and tainted baseball and the record books.


Good thing Man Ram and Big Poopi have forever tainted the Roid Sox. 92 years and waiting between legit titles.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Seriously, if you don't find the umpires fucking up a perfect game part of baseball's charm, you're not a fan.[/QUOTE]

It's apart of the human element which makes baseball so special. LOL
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']This is getting hysterical. Johan doesnt give up 1 run on this road trip and the mets cant do absolutely shit with it. What a joke.[/QUOTE]
I don't want to hear it.

Haren throws 8 innings without giving up a run, followed by Edwin Jackson going 9 innings without giving up a run and the Diamondbacks cant backup either performance with a single run.

10 game losing streak, 0-9 road trip. This season sucks.
 
Apparently MLB is deciding whether or not to review the game or not. Dan Patrick is talking to Peter Gammons on his show and they mentioned the Pine Tar incident.

It's funny how this is bigger news than Griffey retiring. But had Griffey not been injured over the last decade, he'd be the best of all time and probably be the biggest headline in sports right now.
 
[quote name='Whambamm']Oh I've watched plenty of baseball. By absolute worst call, I'm including everything that was riding on the call. If everyone in the bar you were in thought he was safe, have your eyesight checked. Everyone I was watching it with knew he was out immediately. I was able to tell he was out by a full step immediately. But regardless, it's the worst call because he alone cost a guy a fucking perfect game. You absolutely give the guy going for what is most probably the only chance to throw a perfect game the benefit of the doubt and call the runner out.[/QUOTE]

Don Denkinger says hi. That play was actually closer than this one, but a call that so strongly impacted a World Series is probably a bit more impactful than one that altered a perfect game. I guess it depends how you weigh championships versus individual achievements.

I personally think Selig should step in and fix it, in the best interests of the game. Especially since everyone involved (including the classy Joyce, and I'm guessing even the Indians) would probably prefer that outcome.

I'm actually more sad that this will overshadow the retirement of one of the greatest players to ever lace them up. Griffey Jr. was without a doubt my favorite player growing up. I had plenty of friends who felt the same way, and we're talking about young Red Sox fans in Massachusetts here. It's really a testament to how charismatic and talented he was. Regardless of how the latter half of his career turned out thanks to injuries, he's still one of the all time greats. Him retiring definitely makes me feel old.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Don Denkinger says hi. That play was actually closer than this one, but a call that so strongly impacted a World Series is probably a bit more impactful than one that altered a perfect game. I guess it depends how you weigh championships versus individual achievements.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I was just waiting for someone else to say this. Playoff games are more important to the game of baseball than individual achievements, and plenty of big games have been impacted by bad calls.

I think it's wildly unfair the treatment that Jim Joyce is getting from some members of the legitimate media. I mean, idiots on blogs and message boards saying that Joyce, one of the best umpires in the game, should be fired over this is what I'd expect. But having people on ESPN compare this to the Bill Hohn/Roy Oswalt debacle the other day is simply wrong. Bill Hohn acted unprofessionally, and that is why it was said they were going to sit him down and have a stern talk with him. Jim Joyce blew a call. It happens all the time. What kind of talk are you going to have with him? "Don't blow a call."
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']
I think it's wildly unfair the treatment that Jim Joyce is getting from some members of the legitimate media. I mean, idiots on blogs and message boards saying that Joyce, one of the best umpires in the game, should be fired over this is what I'd expect. But having people on ESPN compare this to the Bill Hohn/Roy Oswalt debacle the other day is simply wrong. Bill Hohn acted unprofessionally, and that is why it was said they were going to sit him down and have a stern talk with him. Jim Joyce blew a call. It happens all the time. What kind of talk are you going to have with him? "Don't blow a call."[/QUOTE]

Especially given his reaction after the fact. He copped to what had happened and it's clear the guy is devastated about it. Can you imagine what would have happened if it was Joe West who blew that call?

Joyce is one of the few legitimately good umpires in baseball. The fact that he wasn't willing to rubber-stamp a perfect game on a play he thought was not an out is proof of that. Even the best umpires in baseball blow calls, not very many will own up to it.

Curt Schilling, who I personally can't stand despite being a Sox fan, had a very good take on it for ESPN: http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/bbtn100603/baseball-tonight-clubhouse
 
Looks like Dave Trembley is getting the ax

http://blog.prorumors.com/2010/06/rumors/baltimore-orioles-manager-dave-trembley-fired/

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles are expected to dismiss manager Dave Trembley from his role as manager prior to Friday's series opener against the Boston Red Sox. The report said Trembley will be replaced immediately by an internal candidate, which will likely be third-base coach and former All-Star Juan Samuel.

A club official declined comment on the Baltimore Sun story and Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail did not join the team on the trip to New York.

Hired for his extensive Minor League work and emphasis on fundamentals, Trembley was given a chance to help develop and nurture the O's growing young talent for the past 2 1/2 seasons. But president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail made it clear this spring that Trembley would be judged on wins and losses, calling this season "Phase 2" of the organization's rebuilding plan.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Apparently MLB is deciding whether or not to review the game or not. Dan Patrick is talking to Peter Gammons on his show and they mentioned the Pine Tar incident.

It's funny how this is bigger news than Griffey retiring. But had Griffey not been injured over the last decade, he'd be the best of all time and probably be the biggest headline in sports right now.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Bonds was better in the 90s.

Had Griffey given a crap and not been out of shape by the time he was 28~30, he would have essentially been the Kobe Bryant of MLB (well, Kobe would have been him in the NBA); never the best in the game by objective standards, overrated defensively, but insane career totals thanks to sustained excellence over a very long career.
 
Call not overturned. Selig says he will continue to look into the expanded use of replay. Also, Joyce was given the option of not working the game today, but he stuck it out.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']So when does Andy McFail get judged on wins and losses?[/QUOTE]

He is living off of his Twins legacy of 1987 and 1991. That's good enough for Angelos. Angelos cares more about making a dollar than having a good team.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Call not overturned. Selig says he will continue to look into the expanded use of replay. Also, Joyce was given the option of not working the game today, but he stuck it out.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't 100% in favor of overturning the call, though I don't think it would have done as much damage to the game as some have posited. I thought they could have done it, and I kind of hoped they would if only for the conversation it would provoke (and because the kid deserves it). I do think Selig was predictably spineless in his response, which was basically "we'll look into it." You've BEEN looking into it, I'm almost certain there is already a plan in place to implement replay, they have just been dragging their feet about doing it. Selig issues a statement which basically says nothing and promises nothing, which is about as pathetic a response as he could have given. And exactly the one I expected.
 
[quote name='yukine']I don't want to hear it.

Haren throws 8 innings without giving up a run, followed by Edwin Jackson going 9 innings without giving up a run and the Diamondbacks cant backup either performance with a single run.

10 game losing streak, 0-9 road trip. This season sucks.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.....and i thought the Metsies had it rough lol. I have haren on my fantasy team and he is killing me with the numbers.


as for the decision being overturn.....good job they didnt. He missed a call but at least he came out to leyland and armando and the rest of the tigers and put out a heartfelt apology. To me that takes GUTS and it was his first bad call in 22 years. Yeah he deserves the treatment about the call...but still doesnt take away from his accolades as an umpire. At least Armando can tell his kids or whoever he did and the world witnessed it. Jim Joyce can even back that up....so it may not be in the record books but at least they will remember it for as long as they live.

I think instant replay would slow the game horribly down. Its slow as is...to make it even slower would just kill it. If they do have to implement it..my idea would be post season only. Every call matters there so why not use it for the most important time of the season. using a for 162 game season...i would shoot myself because you know there would be 2 challenges every game and than we would last through a 10-15 minute TO to decide a call...which also disrupts the game...unlike football where I think its ok for it since its more fast pace.
 
Would it be that tough to have a baseball official in the press box or wherever watching the game on a monitor who has direct communication with the Umps via a bluetooth? It would take 5 seconds.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Would it be that tough to have a baseball official in the press box or wherever watching the game on a monitor who has direct communication with the Umps via a bluetooth? It would take 5 seconds.[/QUOTE]

Or just give each manager 1 challenge per game for out/safe calls etc.

I wouldn't go with booth review, they have that in college football, and there's just way to many reviews compared to the NFL where it's challenge only outside of the last 2 minutes etc.
 
Most baseball reviews would probably take substantially less time than football reviews as well. Even on a bang-bang play at the base it shouldn't take any 5 minutes to check it out freeze-framed from a couple angles, especially if there is someone in the booth already queuing them up after a controversial call. Football challenges involve a lot more moving parts, including the potential of 22 guys around the play obscuring camera angles. The rules in terms of what is being challenged (possession, etc) are also a lot trickier than baseball (did he have the ball? was he on the bag? where's the runner?).
 
Yup, I agree. The argument of "it would slow the game down" is such garbage, and mostly seems like a purist's defense. Having an extra umpire in the booth and/or a challenge system wouldn't add any time at all to the length of games. And honestly, it's really a pointless argument because not all games are the same length already. You could say that a game between the Angels and Orioles with 3 reviews could easily be shorter than a Yankees/Red Sox game with no reviews. So, just for the POSSIBILITY of saving 5 minutes, we should keep seeing the wrong calls get upheld? That's horrible logic.

As a fan of the sport, I'd easily sacrifice those 5 minutes just to stop seeing wasted efforts and extra outs being given away like candy. I'll agree with anybody who says that different umpire strikezones are a part of baseball's charm (as long as they remain consistent within the same game at least). That's something subjective. There's nothing subjective about a ball being in someone's glove before the runner's foot touches the bag. And there's nothing charming about being wrong.
 
My only issue with just a challenge system is that if you burn the challenge earlier on a play that you think could be crucial, you might still run into the issue of a "blown" call costing you the game later. I like the way the NFL does it.

I do think that if Selig doesn't get something done, instant replay will be the first agenda tackled by the next commissioner.
 
We'll make things really simple. Have the official scorer who I believe is hired by baseball and not the teams be the 5th umpire watching the game via the TV feed. All 5 umpires are on the same blue tooth, headset whatever with eachother. Safe/out and fair/foul would take a couple of seconds here and there on close calls. Keep the strike zone the way it is unless the ball is clearly ( 1 foot or more) out of the zone.

How hard can it be? How much time would it take? 2 seconds for each play? Umpire 5 tells the 1b ump that Jeter was safe on the close call.

A typical baseball game has the Batter calling time at least once an at bat, batter has a 10 step ritual before each pitch (Nomar would step out, play with his batters glove, etc etc etc). The catcher makes a mound visit whenever the pitcher gives up a hit in between at bats. Catcher makes a mound visit whenever the pitcher gives up a run. Pitching coach makes a mound visit once an inning when the pitcher is getting into a jam. Manager does it when the pitching coach cant. Every manager thinking that they are Tony LaRussa JR and making pitching changes like crazy. Usually 5 pitchers minimum in 1 game. Should we mention that TV commercials are what? 2 minutes in between innings and even more during National Telecast? But baseball is too afraid to add on an extra 2 minutes that wouldn't slow down the speed of the game. The speed of the game is already slowed down when a bad call is made and the Manager comes out to argue.


Baseball wants it to be 1970 again when only a handful of games were on tv, most were in black and white, couple of camera angles and thats it. Problem now though is that we have every game on TV, online, internet, youtube, 24/7 sports talk radio, message boards for every team, etc etc etc. Is it really going to ruin baseball to try to make the system better? Umpires are trying to do the best that they can but they can only do so much with 1 set of eyes and in the heat of the moment. Replay, talk radio, message boards blows things up because millions of people see it from a better angle and with instant replay.
 
Bud Selig is a joke, it took all day to release that statement, he could have easily released first thing this morning or last night. Generic and could have easily been pulled from an Selig official statement book. Where all he has to do is insert __player name__ ...the human element...__official name__ blah, blah, blah... I wish the owners and players union would boot him. This is the same guy who called an All-Star game a tie something that is for fans, now it decides who has home field advantage in the World Series. Hopefully he will discuss this issue too.

Instant replay would be easy just do fair/foul, safe/out, hit by pitch or not and home runs. Do it like the NHL have a head office and individual officials watching every game and if it questionable they can page the umpire and over rule the call. Simple. Home field advantage is even simpler who ever has the best record. Wow!

But I digress.

Armando Galarraga congrats on perfection last night:applause: Everyone will know with the exception of the record book.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I wasn't 100% in favor of overturning the call, though I don't think it would have done as much damage to the game as some have posited.[/QUOTE]

I agree that it wouldn't have done damage to the game...initially...but it certainly would not be fair to everyone who else has been screwed by bad calls over the year. Plus, it would set a precedent. As we were talking about before, it's one thing when they overturned Brett being called out over the pine tar. That's an interpretation issue. If they did overturn this particular bad call, they would have had to pull a similar move to what the Supreme Court did with Bush/Gore/Florida and basically say the ruling only applies to the one particular situation.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Have the official scorer who I believe is hired by baseball and not the teams be the 5th umpire watching the game via the TV feed.[/QUOTE]
The official scorers are paid by MLB but they are chosen by each team.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']As a fan of the sport, I'd easily sacrifice those 5 minutes just to stop seeing wasted efforts and extra outs being given away like candy. I'll agree with anybody who says that different umpire strikezones are a part of baseball's charm (as long as they remain consistent within the same game at least). That's something subjective. There's nothing subjective about a ball being in someone's glove before the runner's foot touches the bag. And there's nothing charming about being wrong.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing subjective about a strike. Either it was or it wasn't.

I still don't get it.
 
It's subjective, because a pair of human eyes and a human mind are trying to decide if a small ball thrown at 90MPH or more was within the boundaries of an invisible box.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']It's subjective, because a pair of human eyes and a human mind are trying to decide if a small ball thrown at 90MPH or more was within the boundaries of an invisible box.[/QUOTE]
Ok. But how is it consistent to like a subjective strike zone but want instant replay for home runs, outs on the base paths, etc?
 
[quote name='speedracer']Ok. But how is it consistent to like a subjective strike zone but want instant replay for home runs, outs on the base paths, etc?[/QUOTE]

Homeruns being fair/foul and over the wall or on top of the wall happens at the very most 1 a week.

Bang Bang plays on the basepaths happen like once or twice a game.


Average game has 300 pitches per game.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']My only issue with just a challenge system is that if you burn the challenge earlier on a play that you think could be crucial, you might still run into the issue of a "blown" call costing you the game later. I like the way the NFL does it.

I do think that if Selig doesn't get something done, instant replay will be the first agenda tackled by the next commissioner.[/QUOTE]

I also like how the NFL does it. Just give managers 2 challenges and a third if they get the previous 2 right and like how jimbo suggessted, put in a booth review in the ninth on questionable outs and home runs.

that sounds the most reasonable way to me.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Homeruns being fair/foul and over the wall or on top of the wall happens at the very most 1 a week.

Bang Bang plays on the basepaths happen like once or twice a game.

Average game has 300 pitches per game.[/QUOTE]
But when I did Astros games (I worked for Fox Sports here in Houston), our pitch tracker knew whether it was a ball or strike literally as the ump was calling it. If we're willing to allow the booth to review other calls and overrule umps, why not just have a computer call the game?

I know, total heresy. But really, why?
 
little off topic but i have something to rejoice about. KMJ has just been DFA. Oh what a joyous occasion this is.....now if they can get rid Ollie Perez...happiness is quarter the way there hehe.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']little off topic but i have something to rejoice about. KMJ has just been DFA. Oh what a joyous occasion this is.....now if they can get rid Ollie Perez...happiness is quarter the way there hehe.[/QUOTE]

The Mets are such a bad organization that I get excited when the DFA somebody.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Ok. But how is it consistent to like a subjective strike zone but want instant replay for home runs, outs on the base paths, etc?[/QUOTE]

Because the strike zone still needs to be consistent throughout the game. I can't stand umpires who change strike zones mid game. That's complete garbage and just screws with everybody on the field. But realistically, the strike zone became subjective when umpires stopped calling the high strike. The rule book has its definition of what a strike is, but it's not even close to what many umpires call. Nobody calls a letter high strike anymore.

I'm fine with umpires having different strike zones because that's something that can be scouted and planned for like anything else. Even if an ump isn't giving a particular corner on a given day, as long as he's consistent all game, it's something you can adapt to. So, what a strike is, is subjective...but during the game it should be consistent, if that makes any sense.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Ok. But how is it consistent to like a subjective strike zone but want instant replay for home runs, outs on the base paths, etc?[/QUOTE]

Don't ask me. I don't want instant replay. I just realize it's an inevitable reality. Like I always say, baseball, more than other sport, is full of luck and bad breaks, so I've never had a problem with blown calls. But I also realize that plenty of people do, so it's gonna happen.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']little off topic but i have something to rejoice about. KMJ has just been DFA. Oh what a joyous occasion this is.....now if they can get rid Ollie Perez...happiness is quarter the way there hehe.[/QUOTE]

Apples and Oranges. Angels are paying 21 million out of the 22 that GMJ is owed. Mets are the ones paying for the 18 plus million that Ollie is owed for this year and the next year.
 
[quote name='DomLando']The Mets are such a bad organization that I get excited when the DFA somebody.[/QUOTE]

i know right...its the only thing i can get excited for nowadays lol. Ill be flipping cars when they toss Ollie aside.

[quote name='wildcpac']Apples and Oranges. Angels are paying 21 million out of the 22 that GMJ is owed. Mets are the ones paying for the 18 plus million that Ollie is owed for this year and the next year.[/QUOTE]

yeah i know but at this point, the angels just like the mets just want to get of the problem anyway they could. If it took eating a 21 million dollar mistake to get better so be it. I hope the mets do the same because Niese is coming back and at this point, I would rather have Elmer Dessens than Ollie Perez.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Fred Coupon isn't going to trade Ollie and pay 14 of the remaining 16 million Ollie is owed.[/QUOTE]

Sadly us Met fans know this. We just have to keep saying hopefully he does to make ourselves feel better.

I really can't stand watching K-Rod. Yeah he has been getting the job done but wow does he annoy me. The guy will go 0-2 and then try to make the perfect pitch. He always ends up 3-2. He threw a 3-2 curve last night to a guy hitting before Hanley Ramirez and he walked him. Another over paid player that Minaya signed. Shouldn't he have known why the Angels were so quick to let him leave...
 
Braves lose 5-4 to the Dodgers in the 11th.

Oh well, I'll take a 2-2 series split on the road against a good west coast team. Need to win at least 3 of 4 from the crappy Diamondbacks in the next series though.
 
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