MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

[quote name='n8rockerasu']Umpires miss another inexcusable call in the playoffs. All six convene and STILL get the call wrong. Fortunately, it didn't hurt the Yankees, but it took TBS 5 seconds to see that Golson caught that ball. A manager challenge flag or an automatic review in the 9th would have remedied that shit real fast. I'm sorry, but that's not the "charm of the game".[/QUOTE]
That was hilarious. I was for sure expecting Thome to blast one out of the park and tie it up, but in typical fashion popped it up. Bad luck to face that Yankee money in the first round; looks like the Twits are going to be one and done as per usual.
 
[quote name='klwillis45']Lord knows the MLB umps are frequently crappy when it comes to the zone. But that just wasn't the case yesterday. Give it a rest people.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree. I sat right there and watched as Volquez painted the corners just as Halladay did. I'm not saying Halladay didn't deserve a no-hitter, I'm just saying that Edinson Volquez didn't deserve some of those balls.
 
[quote name='jughead']I have to disagree. I sat right there and watched as Volquez painted the corners just as Halladay did. I'm not saying Halladay didn't deserve a no-hitter, I'm just saying that Edinson Volquez didn't deserve some of those balls.[/QUOTE]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/HalladayGrab.jpg

Evidence says otherwise. Reds actually had a couple of really bad pitches called for strikes.

Man, the Rangers just got gifted with a blown checked swing call that would have been strike 3, followed by a 3 run HR by Michael Young on the next pitch.
 
Come the fuck on Rays. Start hitting the damn ball.

Maddon must be fucking high or something. Down 0-2 and you use the worst reliever on the team to make it 0-5.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']The Rays are done.[/QUOTE]
I haven't been able to watch those games; are they just getting beat by Texas or are they beating themselves?
 
For those of you too lazy to click links, the graph for Roy's no no

HalladayGrab.jpg
 
I ended up with Rays and atlanta as my teams in the office pool. Not looking so good.:lol:

I will be cheering for any team not named Yankees.:bomb:
 
[quote name='Jodou']I haven't been able to watch those games; are they just getting beat by Texas or are they beating themselves?[/QUOTE]

Texas is really playing well, but the Rays aren't helping themselves too much.
 
[quote name='Jodou']That was hilarious. I was for sure expecting Thome to blast one out of the park and tie it up, but in typical fashion popped it up. Bad luck to face that Yankee money in the first round; looks like the Twits are going to be one and done as per usual.[/QUOTE]

Oh, get over it. How many times do we have to have this discussion? Figure out a way to stop owners from pocketing team profits, and put a salary floor in place to make teams like the Royals and Pirates competitive, and I'll gladly support a salary cap. Until then, piss off.

Everybody had a good old time laughing when the Yanks were spending $200 million and getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first round or missing the playoffs all together. What happened to that "powerful money" then? It still takes a GM who knows what he's doing to get you anywhere. The Mets are perfect example. And on the other end, so are this year's Rangers and Reds teams. Good teams don't just grow on trees.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Oh, get over it. How many times do we have to have this discussion? Figure out a way to stop owners from pocketing team profits, and put a salary floor in place to make teams like the Royals and Pirates competitive, and I'll gladly support a salary cap. Until then, piss off.

Everybody had a good old time laughing when the Yanks were spending $200 million and getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first round or missing the playoffs all together. What happened to that "powerful money" then? It still takes a GM who knows what he's doing to get you anywhere. The Mets are perfect example. And on the other end, so are this year's Rangers and Reds teams. Good teams don't just grow on trees.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's a done to death argument for sure.

But it is a big reason why I don't follow baseball much anymore. Braves make the playoffs, I'll tune in. Other wise I just don't bother. Too much imbalance, too many damn teams etc. Just a boring sport any more.

Put a salary cap with min and max that aren't too far apart, and I'll pay more attention. That will keep having such a huge disparity in salary and talent, and hopefully lead to a few teams that can't meat the minimum cap being contracted and not have talent spread so thin across so many teams.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, it's a done to death argument for sure.

But it is a big reason why I don't follow baseball much anymore. Braves make the playoffs, I'll tune in. Other wise I just don't bother. Too much imbalance, too many damn teams etc. Just a boring sport any more.

Put a salary cap with min and max that aren't too far apart, and I'll pay more attention. That will keep having such a huge disparity in salary and talent, and hopefully lead to a few teams that can't meat the minimum cap being contracted and not have talent spread so thin across so many teams.[/QUOTE]

Yup, because at the end of the day, people can hate the Yankees all they want. But several of these small market teams are just happy to have a Major League club and put a few butts in the seats. Anyone who thinks they're actually trying to win is naive. If it was just impossible for the Pirates to win, we wouldn't see teams like the Rays or the Reds (or even the Cardinals to an extent) putting together good seasons. For that matter, why do the Cubs keep spending and continue to suck? Money =/= Championship. Of course I'll recognize that there is a lack of balance across the league. But the "little guy" isn't always as innocent as people think they are. It's just easier to blame the Yankees. But the coin most definitely has two sides.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yup, because at the end of the day, people can hate the Yankees all they want. But several of these small market teams are just happy to have a Major League club and put a few butts in the seats. Anyone who thinks they're actually trying to win is naive. If it was just impossible for the Pirates to win, we wouldn't see teams like the Rays or the Reds (or even the Cardinals to an extent) putting together good seasons. For that matter, why do the Cubs keep spending and continue to suck? Money =/= Championship. Of course I'll recognize that there is a lack of balance across the league. But the "little guy" isn't always as innocent as people think they are. It's just easier to blame the Yankees. But the coin most definitely has two sides.[/QUOTE]
There are too many teams like the Marlins who pocket 75+ million dollars a year from MLB in revenue sharing, luxury tax, national TV contracts, merchandising, etc, and don't spend a dime on their team.

Think about it for a second. The Florida Marlins don't need to sell a single ticket, a single beer, hot dog, or receive a dime from local TV and radio deals, and they make a huge profit. They receive more money from MLB than their entire operation costs! Year after year, the Marlins are the #1 most profitable team in baseball.

And most of the owners of these small market teams are much wealthier than Steinbrenner. They don't care to open their pockets to make their teams successful like he did, but they'll be happy to take his money and add it to their own bottom line. Pohlad was one of the 100 wealthiest Americans when he died, and the Twins are a very, very well run organization, but they don't spend the money to maintain that level of success between rebuilding cycles.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']...and the Twins are a very, very well run organization, but they don't spend the money to maintain that level of success between rebuilding cycles.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. And they're always on the cusp of winning a title too. Hard to believe just a few years ago they were contemplating moving the team (I remember I was excited because Charlotte was a prime candidate...but dumbass NC voters voted against a 0.5% tax increase on prepared foods to build a new stadium). If they upped the payroll just a little bit, I could easily see them being a championship favorite. Really, they just need better pitching. They also have ridiculously bad luck too. I think this is like the 3rd time in 4 years that Justin Morneau will miss the entire postseason. Hard to contend when one of your biggest hitters keeps breaking down.
 
Some of the blame for teams that have low payrolls has to go to the fans. To be fair to the Marlins, Loria tried to keep the team together in 2004 and the fans still didn't show up. I know if I was him I wouldn't spend money on a team that no one shows up to see even after two world series wins. The Rays are in a similar situation.

That being said, places like Pittsburgh should be up in arms over the shitty state of their franchise. Baseball should fucking force out owners that ruin great franchises especially when they get cities to build new awesome parks for said shitty team.

As far as the playoffs go, big ups to Lee and Wilson for keeping the Rays in check. I can't believe the Rangers are in position to make it to the ALCS.
 
Yeah, honestly, if the Yankees had to lose to anybody this year, I'd want it to be the Rangers. I like the way that team was put together. They made some savvy trades, groomed some good young players, and held on to some vets that have always produced. I also get the feeling their fans want it more than Rays fans.

It was also nice to see Andy Pettitte just be Andy Pettitte tonight. I think he could pitch in the playoffs on one leg and do well. He's just the definition of a big game pitcher. Yankees and Rangers in the ALCS would be great. It would feel like the late 90s all over again! :)
 
These LDS series looks like a bunch of sweeps but the LCS are going to rock like nothing else. Who can't be excited about Phillies and Giants. Yankees and Rangers should be interesting as well.
 
Gotta love how people count their chickens before they hatch. It's ONE game. Hoestly, losing tonight isn't a surprise as I was never a big fan of Lowe personally. I see this going 4 or 5 games easy.
 
[quote name='JStryke']Gotta love how people count their chickens before they hatch. It's ONE game. Hoestly, losing tonight isn't a surprise as I was never a big fan of Lowe personally. I see this going 4 or 5 games easy.[/QUOTE]

You do realize Lincecum isn't the best the Giants have to offer right?

Cain's even scarier.

Good god you have no clue.
 
I don't know man, Lincecum has the last 2 Cy Young's and led the league in K's this year.

Cain is a great pitcher, but I think the Freak is the best you guys got.
 
Maybe I'm just crazy, but for whatever reason, Cain doesn't really scare me all that much. I know he's a good pitcher though.

As far as not having a clue goes, maybe not. But here's the thing. While I realize the Phillies (unfortunately) will most likely win the NL Championship, I will hope with all the hope that I possibly can that they won't.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']I don't know man, Lincecum has the last 2 Cy Young's and led the league in K's this year.

Cain is a great pitcher, but I think the Freak is the best you guys got.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. No game is going to be easy, and the Braves probably have little chance since they're god awful on the road.

But I didn't see them beating Lincecum who's been the 2nd best pitcher in the game behind Halladay in recent years. Beating Cain isn't easy/likely either, but better odds than game 1 against Lincecum so this was the must win going into the series IMO.

If the Braves are going to win the series they had to win games 2, 3 and 4 IMO.
 
I am getting so fucking sick of Rollins. That's the second time he didn't run his ass off to first and it got him out. He could have beaten out that throw and the throw earlier in the game, but he didn't. If he's still hurting from his injury THEN SIT HIS ASS! He's batting like shit anyway, I'll take Valdez over this fucking crap any day.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Aroldis who?[/QUOTE]

Come on. It wasn't his fault. His stuff was good; the Reds just forgot their fundamentals.

Here is my theory ; everytime the ball gets hit to the outfield in Philly stadium, the visiting team has to shield their eyes from the light, but the home team never does. I think they up the power when the opposing team gets out there.

Ok. So I'm really just kind of mad and that is a stupid as hell theory. But I need to vent somehow.

Aww well.

Go Browns! 13-3 this season!
 
fucking Phillies.

Also, fucking ex-phillies.

Turning on both games screws me over. I turn the reds game on in the 5th, I turn the Braves game on seconds before Burrel's 3 run jack. TV's off for the night.
 
[quote name='DrMunkee']Come on. It wasn't his fault. His stuff was good; the Reds just forgot their fundamentals.

Here is my theory ; everytime the ball gets hit to the outfield in Philly stadium, the visiting team has to shield their eyes from the light, but the home team never does. I think they up the power when the opposing team gets out there.

Ok. So I'm really just kind of mad and that is a stupid as hell theory. But I need to vent somehow.

Aww well.

Go Browns! 13-3 this season![/QUOTE]

His stuff was alright but predictable. I totally understand throwing for strikes, but you throw it over the plate over and over again and you'll get hit (not that he got lit up or anything, but each AB got progressively more difficult for him)
 
[quote name='JStryke']fucking Phillies.

Also, fucking ex-phillies.

Turning on both games screws me over. I turn the reds game on in the 5th, I turn the Braves game on seconds before Burrel's 3 run jack. TV's off for the night.[/QUOTE]

Don't hate on Pat "The Muthafuckin Bat" Burrell.
 
That we are. I had to go to bed early last night anyways thanks to needing to wake up at 7:30 today, but so glad to see we won in extras. If only the reds can pull a 3 game win streak, but since one of them they'll have to beat is Halladay, I just don't see it.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']His stuff was alright but predictable. I totally understand throwing for strikes, but you throw it over the plate over and over again and you'll get hit (not that he got lit up or anything, but each AB got progressively more difficult for him)[/QUOTE]

Nothing was really hit that hard against him. Hell, Ryan Howard had no chance against that fastball. Even if he was PREDEEKTABOOL, the Reds fell apart behind him. He should have been out of that inning with the lead still intact.

I'll be at the Ballpark in Arlington today for the Rangers potential sweep! :bouncy:
 
Yep, great comeback from the Braves. Missed it as well as I fell asleep watching it.

Now if they can take care of business at home!
 
The finish to the Braves game was awesome. Ankiel cranked the shit out of that ball. I was worried that Farnsworth would blow it, but he was good. I feel bad for Billy Wagner if his career ends like that.

LOL @ Minnesota. They're the Phoenix Suns of Major League Baseball.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']LOL @ Minnesota. They're the Phoenix Suns of Major League Baseball.[/QUOTE]
The Twits have been one and done for years now. What new?
 
[quote name='yukine']Eat a dick.[/QUOTE]

I know you're a Suns fan, as am I, so I know the truth stings a little. It's frustrating seeing them make the postseason every year only to lose out to the Lakers or Spurs. I think they look pretty good this year, though. Josh Childress is a good addition, as is Turkoglu.
 
[quote name='Jodou']The Twits have been one and done for years now. What new?[/QUOTE]

They just have to avoid the Yankees in the 1st round.
 
This just in, he's now going to miss spring training with this same concussion. Ok, not really. But it's been ridiculous he's been out with that since what? Early July?
 
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