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i mustve been drinking when i made my picks for this event.

bummed to see siyar the killer is siyar the great now. no idea when that changed. one of the few picks i got right on this card.
 
[quote name='paz9x']i mustve been drinking when i made my picks for this event.

bummed to see siyar the killer is siyar the great now. no idea when that changed. one of the few picks i got right on this card.[/QUOTE]


I think it's safe to assume Bahadurzada changed his moniker given that (stupid) people in the U.S. would probably be less-than-welcoming towards an Afghan named "The Killer."

And have you read his Twitter? A change in the breeze and he goes on exhausting rants about the social climate in Afghanistan. I should have picked Bahadurzada. One of a few times where I picked with my heart instead of my head. Dumb, dumb mistake. Thiago does wars, and Bahadurzada outclasses him on the feet.

On the flip side, I went 7 for 12. Not too bad. GamblingFury mentioned Brian Stann enduring the recent death of his friend and personal issues, and moving his camp—but I figured that would fire up the Marine even more than he had been. Really glad I didn't stray from my pick. Plus, Sakara is just a mediocre fighter.

Out of all the picks I missed, I'm only pissed that Papy Abedi is seemingly a dud. I will be very hesitant to pick him again. He lost to James Head. Good lord.

And I'm a little bummed that my underdog DeBlass didn't get it done. I know he was injured, but I figured he could sub Diabate in the first round before he gassed. And I'm torn about the Wisely loss. Young scored some takedowns, but did little with them, while Wisely worked a lot off his back and outstruck him.

Here are my picks if you want a peep: fantasy.sherdog.com/cards/view/user:100
 
yeah i follow him on twitter, im a fan of his. Hes the killer, this the great business is for the birds.

I was happy to see cyrille win but i had deblass too, I thought hed take him down and get a stoppage.
 
I updated the OP with the latest and greatest.

One thing I want to touch on from the OP. I think a fight with Jake Shields would be good for Brian Stann. Shields is a name, and that fight could headline a non-PPV card. A fight with Chris Weidman might be good to eliminate a prospect from a division with other prospects like Rousimar Palhares and Mark Munoz. Speaking of Paul Harris and Munoz, I'd be okay if they booked Stann against Munoz or the winner of Palhares-Belcher.

(But really, I want to see Paul Harris-Bisping just for the possibility that Palhares snaps Bisping's leg.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4qziVYTvWM

Dana commented on drug testing in the UFC. What I took away from the video is that "Super fuckhead League" is the funniest thing I've heard all day. :lol:
 
Added news to this week's OP.

Just want to touch on a couple things. First, Zuffa threatening Cage Potato with a lawsuit over satire about Dana White betting on UFC fights is ridiculous. And, Dana put up a vlog in 2009 where he bet on a UFC fight between— I can't recall, but the vlog is linked in the OP.

And lastly, the Olympic judoka and current Bellator middleweight champion, Hector Lombard, is finally UFC-bound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmWHTbMWTqU

He has been ducking Bellator Season 5 winner Alexander Shlemenko—with whom he went the distance and beat by UD in 2010. Shlemenko has been one of his toughest fights to date.

Should be interesting to see how he fairs against the upper-tier in UFC's 185 division. For his UFC debut, I'd feed him someone like Jared Hamman or Tom Lawlor. Fights with Rousimar Palhares, Wanderlei Silva, and Chris Leben would be intense. Regardless of their credentials, I almost never bet on a judoka. Unlike world-class wrestlers, the success rate of world-class judoka seems pretty low.
 
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I'm interested to see how he does also, Leben would be a pretty awesome first fight and you know it will be great one way or another. Say what you want about Leben but he always puts on a show.
 
Leben is the greatest mixed bag I've seen in MMA. Win or lose, you can bet on action with him.
 
I'm a fan of Chris Leben. He's really grown as a fighter since his first years in the UFC. For example, his fight with Akiyama shows off the grappling he didn't have when he first entered the octagon.

I have seen people doubt Leben's chin, and say that he's on a decline. I think Leben's chin is solid. He has only been stopped by top contenders, Mark Munoz and Brian Stann, and the greatest fighter of all-time and current 185 kingpin, Anderson Silva. His wins over Mike Swick and Aaron Simpson are impressive, and his wins over Yoshihiro Akiyama and Wanderlei Silva secure his place as one of 185's best gatekeepers.

I know not many people who post here watch Bellator—even I miss Bellator due to its new Friday slot. But, I catch-up on Saturday, and man, have their cards been a solid collection of fights. Bellator 66—which is tonight—should be a great card headlined by a very important 155 fight involving Shinya Aoki and Eddie Alvarez.

Despite his championship loss to Michael Chandler, Alvarez is still one of the best lightweights in the world. Aoki, who beat Alvarez in the first fight, is entering the rematch on a seven-fight win streak, with notable wins over Tatsuya Kawajiri and Satoru Kitaoka. However, Aoki's last fight in the U.S. was a UD loss to Strikeforce lightweight champion Gilbert Melendez.

There is heavy speculation that the winner of Aoki-Alvarez 2 will receive a UFC contract (though I'd love to see both fighters in the UFC).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ3jz_z8YJ8
 
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Twitter was/has been buzzing.

As you mentioned,

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It's also official that Cain Velasquez will fight Antonio "Big Foot" Silva. Tough fight for Velasquez after another lengthy layoff.

And there is no way that Mir doesn't just get absolutely destroyed by Dos Santos. I wouldn't be surprised if Mir opened as a +300 underdog with Dos Santos as the -400 favorite.

As for Overeem, his UFC career has been a straight-up failure. He assassinates and retires one of UFC's biggest cash cows (Lesnar), and then, in the most positive scenario, uses T without a script. Just absolute dumb-ass-ery by Overeem. Zuffa should fire him so he can go do the rubber match with Badr Hari.
 
Dos Santos should annihilate Mir quickly..there is always the anything can happen in mma and we've seen it time and time again but more then likely...Dos Santos is getting a first round knockout.


Very pumped for the UFC PPV tonight...obviously the main event is the main seller here and the rest of the main card doesn't look super great...as far as star power goes but the fights should be really fun.
 
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And there is no way that Mir doesn't just get absolutely destroyed by Dos Santos. I wouldn't be surprised if Mir opened as a +300 underdog with Dos Santos as the -400 favorite.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this although I think the odds will be even bigger with JDS around -500 or -600.If Lesnar hadn't retired and left for the WWE, one would think he would be facing JDS now.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']If Lesnar hadn't retired and left for the WWE, one would think he would be facing JDS now.[/QUOTE]

That would be worse than seeing Mir in there. Lesnar's heart hasn't been in fighting ever since he got cracked by Shane Carwin. He was fortunate to escape that fight and was never the same after that. And once Cain stuffed his takedowns, it was over. Brock knew that was all he had, and fought scared every minute in the cage after that. Sure, the diverticulitis had a part in it. But his entire demeaner changed.

At least Mir is a fighter. How many times has he had his face smashed, and he just keeps coming back for more. I have to give him credit for continuously trying new things to see if he can push himself to that next level (bulking up, working on his boxing, changing his diet, etc). And with a 3 fight win streak (though to be fair, he had no business beating Nog), the guy has put himself back in legitimate title contention yet AGAIN.

I don't think he stands a chance again JDS either, but the fight would become much more interesting if Mir could somehow get him to the ground. With such a strong BJJ game, it just always boggles my mind that Mir doesn't train in Greco more. He's never going to be a power double guy, but with his upper body strength, if he could tie guys up and work some trips...or hell, even Judo throws, he might actually be a serious threat. I just hate seeing grapplers who think they can outbox people...which is how I expect the fight to go. If Mir makes it out of round 1 alive, I'll be surprised.
 
Mir undoubtedly has earned a title shot. I think Mir's wrestling is solid. But, if I were Mir, I wouldn't want to clinch with Dos Santos. We've seen what happens to Mir when he gets in close with powerful strikers. (Stanky leg.) And I definitely wouldn't want to pull guard with someone like Dos Santos. Powerful striker with a good ground game. I'm not going to say Mir doesn't have a chance—but JDS did open as a -500 favorite.

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Nelson-Velasquez for a title shot at the winne— At Dos Santos. That just doesn't make sense. Nelson was absolutely dominated in his first fight with JDS. Velasquez had been injured going into his fight with JDS. Velasquez has a case for a rematch. Nelson doesn't. And he just lost to Werdum! What the heck. Crazy-ass musical chairs.

My Pick Em picks for 145. http://imgur.com/a/NiOQa

Most likely outcome of Evans-Jones is Jones by SUB in R3. But, every once in a while, lightning strikes—and it's not like I put money on Evans. (On the flip side, I do have Jones in a small parlay.)
 
Here comes the main event! I've been going with Jones all the way leading up to the fight, but I have this strange feeling that Rashad is going to catch him and knock him out in a very violent manner.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Here comes the main event! I've been going with Jones all the way leading up to the fight, but I have this strange feeling that Rashad is going to catch him and knock him out in a very violent manner.[/QUOTE]


Welcome back to the thread. :) Haven't seen ya in a while.

My parlay did well (McDonald, MacDonald, and Jones), but I lost four fights in my Sherdog Pick Em. I should have known better than to pick glass-jaw Schaub—and I'll write off Blanco and Hominick as "MMA YOU SO UNPREDICTABLE" events. Evans— I think we all knew it would take a lightning in a bottle shot to beat Jones, which is why I reserved him for the Pick Em.

So...that's Rua, Jackson, Machida, and Evans in a row for Jones. If I were Anderson Silva, I'd be ducking Jones too. After Jones beats Hendo, it would be surreal to see wins over all the aforementioned fighters—and Anderson Silva to cap it off before heavyweight.
 
A little disappointed that Jones didn't finish Rashad, but it's hard to not be impressed with the way the guy fights. It's almost as though he treats his title fights like training sessions. He's constantly experimenting and tinkering as the match goes on. He almost never throws anything conventionally. Look at those elbows he destroyed Rashad with. He may have had a gameplan of "throw some elbows", but I almost think he just invented that move on the spot because of the way Rashad was trying to hold him off. "Oh, you want to tie up my hands so I can't throw a punch? Fine...HERE'S AN ELBOW!"

I think if he had just approached the fight like a "normal fighter", he could have finished Rashad easily. He didn't seem to care at all about taking him down (other than the time he threw him across the cage like a ragdoll, lol). He could have chopped his front leg off with those kicks. But no, he's just going to play with him and invent new MMA moves. When you realize that you're watching a guy do that against a list of former champions, you truly realize how special he is. Jon Jones = Muhammad Ali + Michael Jordan. It's insane! Then Rashad has the nerve to say "Oh, I think he did some stuff better in practice than he did in this fight." Yeah, ok. Go look at your face, dude. Pretty funny that Rampage handled losing to Jones better than Rashad did.
 
Also damn at Hominick...dude is always getting busted up. Very good win for Yagin since im sure nobody gave him a chance.

Great win for McDonald. Alot of people saw him and Torres as a 50/50 fight but I didn't. I expected McDonald to knock him out and mostly dominate..just not that quickly...time to give him a big fight.

Did Brendan Schaub not see when Rothwell fought Cain Velasquez? Cain hit him with everything and Rothwell pretty much just took it...add in Schaub's weak chin and I knew I should've picked Ben instead...oh well.

Macdonald and Mills was a huge mismatch and had no business being the co main event or really a fight Rory should be having anyway. I like Mills and i've seen several of his fights in England but other then buzzing Rory on the feet once he did nothing on the ground and was thoroughly thrashed.
 
[quote name='shotgunshine']Macdonald and Mills was a huge mismatch and had no business being the co main event or really a fight Rory should be having anyway. I like Mills and i've seen several of his fights in England but other then buzzing Rory on the feet once he did nothing on the ground and was thoroughly thrashed.[/QUOTE]

It would have been a great co-main event in Montreal (where the event was supposed to take place). ;)
 
I had to take a break from MMA after UFC 145. Last night, I caught up with everything (fights, news); although escaping MMA is impossible given my activity on Twitter.

Just between Bellator and the UFC, there is a lot of MMA per week. Toss in smaller promotions and start-ups, like Invicta FC, and it's just an endless cycle of fights.

To touch on Invicta, which received a mention in the recently updated first post: I'm very impressed. Mauro, King Mo, and Julie Kedzie have good chemistry at the commentary table. King Mo offers Pat Miletich-level insight. I have listened to him debate Jack and TJ on Sherdog Radio, so I'm not surprised. Mauro is more Pride-style Mauro than out-of-control, Strikeforce-style Mauro—which is great.

Later today, I'm gonna try to parlay my crush on Marloes Coenen into a play to have my girlfriend begin training—or at least hitting the workouts with me. She may be only 5'3" and weigh less than a Thai heavy bag, but she's deceptively strong and has carried my 188-pounds on her back. Watch out, strawweights! ;)

Speaking of Marloes, she worked some Randy Couture against Romy Ruyssen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4JYB9iMQGs
 
I really liked that JDS/Mir promo, I thought that Nog could have finished it with strikes, I yelled at the tv when he jumped on him for that sub because it seemed it was the only way he could lose was on the ground. I think JDS tears him up, unless Mir can drag him down which I'm doubting.
 
Yeah, it's a double-edge sword promoting Mir with the Big Nog fight. Mir may have broken Big Nog's arm, but he did faceplant by strikes.

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I think this screenshot says it all.

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Facebook prelims just ended. Fuel TV prelims about to begin.

My picks:

Massenzio by UD
Delorme by R1 SUB
Garza by R1 SUB
Cholish by R2 SUB
Lineker by UD
Hathaway by UD
Dodson by R1 TKO
Ferguson by UD
Johnson by R1 TKO
Palhares by R1 SUB
Hendricks by SD
Miller by SD

Really looking to see Paul Harris fight. This third FOX main card should have a lot of action. UFC finally booked a FOX card for action instead of just name value.
 
One of those nights where the logical pick hasn't been the right pick. I only have three correct picks—and John Dodson almost lost because he broke his hand in R1. Good lord.
 
its probably good i forgot to hit the save button on my picks
I had
diaz
hendricks
paulharris
barry
ferguson
dodson
krauss
lineker
denis
bermudez
vemola
castillo
 
It was some great fights, I was rooting for Paul Harris but it looks like he cant handle getting hit very well, maybe he will be able to get better against it or maybe not we will just have to wait for more fights to see. His wrestling and BJJ is great so he could maybe do something great if the striking gets figured out. Also, Beltcher called out the champ and I dont think he has anything for him. The other fights were great too, I wonder if Kos will have to retire early with how quickly that face got swole up again, and lastly I like the Diaz brothers and I am surprised that Nate finished him so quickly.
 
Palhares has psychological issues stemming from the rough life he had to endure until the UFC afforded him the opportunity to make things easier. Despite his loss, I still love the guy. And since the win, Belcher has come off as—to be polite—"quite an asshole" if you know what I mean.

I think we would have scored the same amount of points if you had set your picks, Paz. Oddly enough, for Sherdog's Pick Em, I made my way into the lower 200s. I guess UFC on FOX 3 was a ballbuster for a ton of people.

And nice ratio, Shotgun. You bastard. Hahaha...

Something I want to cover that I didn't put in the freshly-updated opening post.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-c...-jim-miller-nephew-beating-him-023815783.html

Very classy effort by Nate Diaz. A lot of people don't understand the Diaz "Don't make friends with competition" mentality they use to train harder. They have always come off in my eyes as genuinely nice people. For those unaware, Dan Miller's son/Jim Miller's nephew, Danny, has polycystic kidney disease. Fans, including myself, rallied around the cause last year. Ten-dollars of every shirt goes to the Danny Miller Foundation to help Danny and other children with kidney disease.

Here's a link to the Tapout store if you're interested in lending a hand.

http://shop.tapout.com/tapout-jim-m...ge-slider_miller-charity-walkout-tee_04-24-12
 
It has been a wild day for news. If you aren't on Twitter, check the OP.

Just gonna top it off with this crazy, recent photo of Mister #RallyForMarkHunt himself, Mark Hunt.

Definitely "holy shit"-worthy. He is in truly remarkable shape. Warms my heart to see Hunt and Rothwell do well in the UFC.

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Holy cow, that is the best shape I have ever seen Hunt in!! I hope he keeps up the good fighting and training and finishes up a good career. I totally agree with you Chase on Palhares mental stability from his upbringing, I read a couple of stories about it and I can only imagine having to eat pig slop because it is that or nothing. Btw where is his training camp out of? I am also a big fan of his because how can you not root for somebody that came from litterally nothing.

edit - thanks for the answer below :)
 
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Yeah, One-Eleven, I just love Palhares' story. Broke my heart to see Belcher stop his win streak. Lots of amazing stories in MMA. One reason why I love the sport. :)

And you, Krakrabbit, are correct, sir. In the UFC, Stefan Struve has beat everyone he's supposed to beat, including Barry, McCorkle, Morecraft, and Buentello. His losses include, undefeated prospect, Travis Browne, Roy Nelson (who hits hard and is super-tough), and, the current UFC Heavyweight champion, Junior dos Santos. This is a big test for Mark Hunt and a step up in competition. Struve is the gatekeeper into the upper-mid-part of the heavyweight division. If he beats Struve in a dominant fashion, I'd like to see Hunt-Nelson made if Nelson doesn't cut to 205. Nelson is the gatekeeper into the elite part of the heavyweight division. Hunt dominating Nelson would signal to everyone that he's ready for a title shot. ...But I'm getting ahead of myself. ;)

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Ehhh. I have mixed feelings about this rumor. One, I genuinely like King Mo. Smart, funny dude with legit wrestling credentials. He has never indulged in alcohol, doesn't do drugs, and is truly one of the good guys in MMA. And two, he trucks through Christian M'Pumbu in R1.

But, Bellator's light heavyweight division is a joke. They have, what, four or five guys in the division. All of them are no name fighters. Losing to any of them would do irreparable damage to Mo's value. I want to see Mo in the UFC—not stuck in a crafty, five-year Bellator deal. At 31, in this scenario, Mo would probably end his MMA career in Bellator, and that is just depressing.

Sliding down the rabbit hole, the TNA Wrasslin part is equally depressing. One, because it's TNA Wrasslin, and two, because Mo deserves better if he wants to try his hand at one of his loves (wrasslin). TNA would probably pay better, but I'd prefer if Mo went to Japan and did a run with New Japan. While I dislike fighters doing wrasslin, at least Antonio Inoki loves and respects MMA, and they'd build him better as a name. (Plus, he'd have better wrasslin matches.)

Just a giant "Ehhh" in regards to this rumor.
 
Anyone else going to UFC 148 in LV? I was pretty bummed to hear Cruz is no longer on the card.

Tomorrow night is Chan-Sung Jung laying a beatdown to Poirier.

WAR ZOMBIE!

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[quote name='Calipso']Anyone else going to UFC 148 in LV? I was pretty bummed to hear Cruz is no longer on the card.

Tomorrow night is Chan-Sung Jung laying a beatdown to Poirier.

WAR ZOMBIE!

[/QUOTE]

Tuesday is when KZ vs The Diamond takes place. Poirier by TKO.
 
[quote name='emeraldgsl']Tuesday is when KZ vs The Diamond takes place. Poirier by TKO.[/QUOTE]

I need to get back on my meds. I could have sworn it was tomorrow.

Roop was lucky when he KO'd KZ. I don't see Poirier doing it.
 
Diaz no showed a superfight jitjutsu match up for charity.I feel sad for the people that paid the 9.99$ for that iPPV.I was in the chatroom they had for it and it was amazing the amount of people that shouted/spammed refund when they got to the main event only to announce Nick wasn't there.Eventually the moderators just killed the chat all together thanks to the amount of people chanting for a refund.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Diaz no showed a superfight jitjutsu match up for charity.I feel sad for the people that paid the 9.99$ for that iPPV.I was in the chatroom they had for it and it was amazing the amount of people that shouted/spammed refund when they got to the main event only to announce Nick wasn't there.Eventually the moderators just killed the chat all together thanks to the amount of people chanting for a refund.[/QUOTE]

Nick Diaz being a douchebag?

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Color me surprised!
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Diaz no showed a superfight jitjutsu match up for charity.I feel sad for the people that paid the 9.99$ for that iPPV.I was in the chatroom they had for it and it was amazing the amount of people that shouted/spammed refund when they got to the main event only to announce Nick wasn't there.Eventually the moderators just killed the chat all together thanks to the amount of people chanting for a refund.[/QUOTE]

You can get a refund I believe, but the other fights were decent. Terra/Glover is interesting btu I think Terra was clearly the better grappler, but he struggled with getting ragdolled by the bigger guy.

Gracie/Estima was pretty great though.
 
There has been hubbub by Nick Diaz apologists that a.) Estima didn't make weight, and b.) it's the fans fault for assuming Diaz would be a responsible adult.

First, weigh-ins for jiujitsu usually happens right before the event. Additionally, Estima's management asked if they could proceed even if Estima missed weight, and Diaz's camp said yes. Furthermore, Cesar Gracie tweeted that Estima made weight and that the match would happen. Second, people like Ben Fowlkes blaming fans is just moronic, irresponsible behavior. Yes, how dare fans support someone they would pay to see. Silly fans.

I can enjoy Nick Diaz as a fighter, and he seems like a nice guy, but his selfishness and irresponsibility is a problem. He's lucky that MMA isn't as popular in the U.S. as the NFL or NBA. News outlets could run headlines like "UFC fighter no-shows kids charity event." No matter how small, it makes everyone involved look bad.
 
[quote name='Chase']There has been hubbub by Nick Diaz apologists that a.) Estima didn't make weight, and b.) it's the fans fault for assuming Diaz would be a responsible adult.[/QUOTE]

Hold up. People are actually deflecting blame off Diaz, a professional fighter, for not conducting business like a professional. Rather, it's the fans fault for expecting too much of Diaz? Seriously? No trolling? Because the crazy apologist logic is making me go crosseyed.

Edit: Does anybody in a respectable position in the business hold this opinion? (e.g. not an irrelevant Sherdog meathead)

Edit 2: Not that Sherdog is completely devoid of respectable forum commentary. It just has a notable pocket of posters whose main argument is, put tactfully, that the other poster should be quiet and is a homosexual.
 
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Ben Fowlkes of MMA Fighting put out a long-winded, pretentious "article" blaming fans and filled with excuses. He even titles it with something like "Disappointed with Nick Diaz? It's your fault."

I don't visit MMA Fighting 'cause Ariel Helwani is a tool. I saw someone tweet about Fowlkes' dumb-ass article.

(While the forum is particularly bad, I actually like the staff behind Sherdog. Genuinely smart, hardworking dudes.)
 
Sherdog the site and Sherdog the forum are like night and day. The ratios of respectable commentary to drizzling craps between the two are inversely proportional.
 
I have much love for the staff. (I think Jack is amazing at what he does. And the Savage Dog Show is my favorite podcast.) But, the community is quite scary. For anyone who's reading this and hasn't been there: Imagine a community the size of CAG, with stricter rules, and something resembling a caste system. I only post in the Heavies, these days, when occupying a toilet. Actually, in hindsight, the fight discussion is good, but the entire general discussion area is a madhouse.
 
I know that Chan-Sung Jung was a parlay buster for a lot of people. I usually bet against Asian fighters, buuuut

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...I berieved. That was easily Fight of the Year. So far. I still think Aldo picks apart Koch, Jung, Hioki, and Curran. I think Jung and Curran would be the most competitive fights.

I should have put some money out there tonight. I did pretty well in picks while in a rush.
 
Great card....I was 10 of 12 on my picks. One of the ones I got wrong was Korean Zombie and Poirier...im actually happy I was wrong as I was rooting for KZ. I dont see him beating Aldo but he sure puts on great fights.
 
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Tonight's epic transition war.

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My pic with Bas Rutten in 2010 with KZ shirt. Long time fan of KZ, will support this guy even if Aldo does him dirty. Chan Sung Yung reminds me of why MMA is a hell of a sport. When you get pissed off at lay-und-pray GSP and idiots like Nick Diaz. You'll always remember KZ for giving it his all win or lose.
 
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