MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) Thread: UFC/Strikeforce

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Yea UFC 101 was all right.

First two were meh & Sadollah stoppage was a bit premature.

The next fight was not bad.

Griffin vs Silva was sad for Griffin but certainly shows Silva is a force.

Penn is back! showing his amazing take down defense and superior BJJ.
 
UFC 101:
Forest is now partially deaf cuz of silva.
And BJ needs another fight with GSP [WITHOUT ALL THE OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
 
[quote name='iAlCaPwn']UFC 101:
Forest is now partially deaf cuz of silva. [/QUOTE]
Proof? I've seen so many rumors about what happened. I'm really interested in seeing something confirmed from the Griffin camp. I guess only time will tell...
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']I'd much rather see GSP move up in weight and take on Silva than to see GSP make BJ his bitch again.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more. GSP vs Silva is the fight of the century. As far as BJ goes, I do respect his fighting ability but he's just not in the same league as GSP.

Ideally I'd like to see Silva clean out the LHW division and win the title while giving GSP some time to put on some mass & then see them fight for the middleweight title.
 
UFC 101 was pretty boring/disappointing all around.

The highlight of the evening was simply how completely dominant Silva was...I really didn't expect that.

GSP vs. Silva is awesome in my head but might turn pretty cruddy in real life. Silva's size/power advantage might make it a short night for GSP.
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']UFC is going to counter-program Strikeforce on Saturday night by airing 6 bouts from UFC 100, including Lesnar-Mir and Bisping-Hendo.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/15820/ufc...-from-ufc-100-to-air-opposite-strikeforce.mma[/QUOTE]

An interesting move, but I'm not sure how much it will do. I guess it could deter the casual MMA fans who didn't buy the PPV away from Showtime, but most of us have seen those fights already. And not that I'm TRYING to support Strikeforce over UFC, but I'd rather see Gina Carano fight than watch Lesnar destroy Mir again.
 
I'm also going to watch 100 since I don't get Showtime. Never get tired of seeing Hendo's flash ko and elbow drop of the count.

Hendo, Lesnar and Sexyama! Plus the un-aired prelims of Bonnar vs Coleman, Shannon Gugerty vs. Matt Grice and Jon Jones vs. Jake O'Brien.

I anticipate though we will start seeing more free fight nights on Spike TV too.
 
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[quote name='n8rockerasu']An interesting move, but I'm not sure how much it will do. I guess it could deter the casual MMA fans who didn't buy the PPV away from Showtime, but most of us have seen those fights already. And not that I'm TRYING to support Strikeforce over UFC, but I'd rather see Gina Carano fight than watch Lesnar destroy Mir again.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, same here. I'm definitely going to be watching Strikeforce as opposed to 100, but I would imagine that casual fans who haven't seen it will pick UFC over Strikeforce. I'm interested to see what UFC does in October when Fedor is supposed to fight.
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']Ill be watching 100 because I didn't even know it was on and wanted to watch the lesnar fight. Can't beat free.[/QUOTE]

Like I said...casual MMA fans will watch.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']I'm also going to watch 100 since I don't get Showtime. Never get tired of seeing Hendo's flash ko and elbow drop of the count. Plus hopefully they don't cut out the mma quote of the year: GSP: I pulled my groin. Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!

Well at least Hendo, Lesnar and Sexyama![/QUOTE]

They've already said the GSP fight won't be aired.
 
What's everyone's predictions for Strikeforce tomorrow night?

Carano vs Cyborg: Cyborg via TKO

Hieron vs Taylor: Hieron via UD

Babalu vs Mousasi: Mousasi via UD

Melendez vs Ishida: Melendez via TKO

Werdum vs Kyle: Werdum via Submission
 
Where can one watch this Strikeforce stuff?

And lol at the banner ad: Georges St Pierre t-shirt for $40. They're advertising that. A t-shirt .. for $40.
 
All fighters officially made weight. Jesse Taylor was given an hour to lose a pound and he was able to make weight. All fights are a go! Showtime broadcast starts at 9:30 central time tonight.
 
Anyone else think it's weird that Randy Couture (half of the main event at UFC102) is appearing on Strikeforce while Dana White is counterprogramming it? I wonder what he thinks of that.

Also, I noticed the EA Sports logos on the Strikeforce cage. I wonder if EA will endorse Strikeforce completely, and give them the name of their game, or if they'll leave it as EA MMA. I would also love to see Carano and Cyborg in the game. Something like that could make it a day one buy for me.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Anyone else think it's weird that Randy Couture (half of the main event at UFC102) is appearing on Strikeforce while Dana White is counterprogramming it? I wonder what he thinks of that.

Also, I noticed the EA Sports logos on the Strikeforce cage. I wonder if EA will endorse Strikeforce completely, and give them the name of their game, or if they'll leave it as EA MMA. I would also love to see Carano and Cyborg in the game. Something like that could make it a day one buy for me.[/QUOTE]


I don't think it's so weird. He's there as a coach to a fighter in the main event. He's also appearing in the EA mma game.

I do however think it's going to be weird seeing a womens mma fight with 5 minute rounds.
 
[quote name='Dingleberry']Moussasi was impressssive. I was not expecting that.[/QUOTE]
Me either. I fully expected Mousasi to win, but wow. That was impressive.
 
Wow, he just ran through Babalu like he wasn't even there, haha. Just continuous punches to the face! Every single one landed, haha. Sobral looked like he got knocked retarded!

Oh man, I'm nervous about this Carano vs Cyborg fight. I'm really pulling for Gina (mainly, I'll be pissed if Cyborg makes Gina as ugly as she is), but Cyborg scares me. She's even got that deep voice that makes you wonder where she's hiding her testicals.
 
I really think Cyborg will knock her out in the first or second. I hope not, but that's how I see it going. I just hope she doesn't mess Gina's gorgeous face up too much haha.
 
Does Frank Shamrock have braces or a grill on his teath? They're looking quite silvery to me.

Also, the commentator with the glasses is making me laugh because his microphone is covering his entire mouth.
 
That was a BS stoppage; I've seen this in boxing too many times (thanks Richard Steele). Under 10 seconds you must let them fight; if she can't get up after that, then call it TKO...

I had a feeling Cyborg would win, but do it right...Man, I really hate fight politics; let them fight!
 
I disagree. If anything I think he should of stopped it sooner than he did. Gina was doing absolutely nothing but eating shot after shot and wasn't adequately defending herself.
 
Under 10 seconds man; in a championship bout, the fighter should get the benefit of the doubt. If Gina couldn't have gotten up, via TKO fine thats fighting but 1 second left in the round? Poor officiating, hopefully MMA will start to lock-down on this.
 
I agree with seen. It was like the last 10 seconds anyways that Cyborg started swinging away. With that little time left, I assume that the smart thing for someone in Gina's position to do would be to hold on for those last few seconds for the bell. Then again, I could be wrong.
 
It seemed like Gina wasn't defending for an awfully long time. The ref waited an adequate amount of time and told her to defend several times before he called it.

I'm not exactly sure why Gina gave up the full mount either.
 
Moojuice, you are right on the button. At the 10 second warning (someone claps the table or whatever) Cyborg started going rabbit mad, and after getting jarred Gina was covering up to survive. Again I saw the ref asked Gina if she was ok, but when you are trying to sustain hits, and survive a second longer the last thing she was about to do was talk to him.

Again, I had my bets on Cyborg but I was looking for a decisive victory not some ref F-UP determining the winner; champions are supposed to earn it.

About Richard Steele for non-boxing historians. And his oh so similar Chavez vs Taylor controversy.
Steele was sometimes involved in controversy, but none bigger than the one that happened after Chavez-Taylor I. With Taylor ahead on the scorecards and seconds away from inflicting Chavez his first defeat, he was dropped by a Chavez punch to the chin. He got up on the five count, but Steele decided to stop the fight with two seconds left in the last round, Taylor was clearly shaken and did not respond when Steele asked Taylor, "Are you alive, or just breathing?" This defeat affected Taylor greatly, and it proved to be the beginning of the end as a professional boxer for him. Many fans that saw the fight still argue as to whether the fight should have been stopped or not, considering the very short time left in the bout. Steele defended himself by declaring he just tried to protect Taylor from more punishment and did not know how much time was left in the fight, claiming "no fight is worth a man's life".
 
Gina looked kinda lost in there tonight for some reason. She gave up full mount, she wasn't defending herself on the ground, and her cardio was awful. She was pretty gassed halfway through the round.
 
[quote name='seen']Moojuice, you are right on the button. At the 10 second warning (someone claps the table or whatever) Cyborg started going rabbit mad, and after getting jarred Gina was covering up to survive. Again I saw the ref asked Gina if she was ok, but when you are trying to sustain hits, and survive a second longer the last thing she was about to do was talk to him.

Again, I had my bets on Cyborg but I was looking for a decisive victory not some ref F-UP determining the winner; champions are supposed to earn it.
[/QUOTE]

Man, I honestly don't know how you could expect a more decisive winner than that. I mean, I guess Cyborg could have killed her, but that would have the only way. Cyborg absolutely dominated her in every aspect.
 
Yeah, as much as it pains me to say it, the fight was done. It's not like there's a 10 count or anything. The ref moved in to stop it without knowing how close the bell was. He told her to fight back twice, and she couldn't. From his perspective, it was over...and he was right.

Also, I'm going to be a bastard and blame this loss on Randy Couture. Clearly, Carano's training was nowhere near the level of Cyborg's. The comparison is almost like Gina trained to be a tough chick, and Cyborg trained to be a tough fighter. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the guys at Chute Boxe are apprehensive about sparring with her.

Randy should have known that Cyborg was going to come flying in and try to overwhelm the shit out of her. But how can you expect him to know how to handle that style considering the way he handled Lesnar.

What Carano needed to do was withstand the flurries and get the fuck away from Cyborg. Let her blow her load in the early rounds, then mount your attack. It looked like Gina just got caught up in the frenzy, and in turn gassed herself, and left herself wide open to anything Cyborg wanted to throw at her.

So, fuck you Randy Couture. Your soft-spoken approach to coaching isn't worth shit when they throw you in there with an animal. IF Gina wants to continue fighting (and I wouldn't blame her if she doesn't. Let the ugly ones get beat in the face for a living), she needs to find a more relevant coach, who will actually help her grow as a fighter.
 
Also, when Gina got mount, she kinda just fell into it from being taken down...and she was riding it really high. It didn't look like she had very good balance at all and Cyborg kinda just rolled/bucked out of it with relative ease. It didn't really look like a position Gina was comfortable with anyway. But again, did Couture only train her to stand up and trade punches? He had to figure Cyborg would take it to the ground at some point.
 
seen and moo, the other thing you're forgetting is that Couture came into the ring because he knew Gina was done. That was essentially throwing in the towel. She wasn't getting back up to fight after that, and she didn't look upset about the decision. She knew she got beat.
 
Oh, didn't really pay attention after the stoppage. I'm not saying that Gina had a chance, but it was kind of weird that the ref stopped it with such little time left (but I am also assuming he heard the warning bell to begin with). Regardless, I'm surprised Santos didn't get any of those submissions.
 
It was a good stoppage. Gina was getting the crap beat out of her and didn't intelligently defend herself most of the round (turtling up and covering your face isn't an intelligent defense) so she was doomed anyway. She was either going to lose then or lose in the second, and seeing it go another couple minutes wouldn't have made the fight any better.
 
[quote name='moojuice']Oh, didn't really pay attention after the stoppage. I'm not saying that Gina had a chance, but it was kind of weird that the ref stopped it with such little time left (but I am also assuming he heard the warning bell to begin with). Regardless, I'm surprised Santos didn't get any of those submissions.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I was actually surprised about that as well. That's why I thought Gina was overwhelmed and was leaving herself wide open. Cyborg not being able to lock one in showed how wild and beatable she was though. It seemed like her gameplan was just to maul Gina. Gina even did a couple things that actually kept Cyborg at a distance (the front kick, and working her jab), and if she would have stuck with it, she probably could have won the fight. I'll be curious to see where she goes after this, and if she even wants a rematch.
 
I think even though the better fighter won tonight - this is definitely not going to go well for woman's MMA. Gina is the poster girl with sex appeal who Strikeforce have been playing with ads everywhere. Then all the editors, etc. were hands down picking Gina. I think they all got caught up in the hype. Her cardio was crap and she has a history of problems making weight and she looked very timid tonight.

Aside from that - she needed to win to help get the casual fan interested in the woman's side of the sport. The Maxim articles, American Gladiators, Comand and Conquer 3, etc.

Cyborg didn't look to awsome either. Her striking, the suplex attempt, getting mounted, the submission attempts showed that she isn't finely tuned - but of course there is more room to grow.

I just wonder where they will go now with this division?

Also just want to toss out some love for Mega Megu.
 
My friend and I who watched the fight were noting that it was a sexist stoppage; if it were 2 men the ref may have let the round end.

Cyborg won the fight and was dominating yes, but this is MMA can I see a proper towel being thrown in or a KO? Dokstarr, MMA writers and fighters were picking Cyborg to dominate.
 
[quote name='seen']My friend and I who watched the fight were noting that it was a sexist stoppage; if it were 2 men the ref may have let the round end.

Cyborg won the fight and was dominating yes, but this is MMA can I see a proper towel being thrown in or a KO? Dokstarr, MMA writers and fighters were picking Cyborg to dominate.[/QUOTE]

A "sexist stoppage"? Oh, come on. I'm a huge fucking Carano fan, and even I could admit that fight was over. What do you want her to do? Come back in the 2nd round and get her face pounded some more? As others have stated, she was completely gassed and kept giving up her back (which I still blame more on allowing Cyborg to dictate the pace of the fight, rather than just Gina's cardio sucking).

The referees act in the interest of the fighter's safety. He told her to fight back twice. If she would have just moved to try to grab Cyborg's leg, he would have let it go. But she just laid there and continued to take a beating. He's not thinking "Well, gee. If I just let her take 3 more punches, the round will be over." 3 more punches and she could have been seriously hurt. Do you actually believe Carano would have come back in the 2nd round and won that fight? Because if you don't, WHEN the fight was stopped is really of little consequence.

As far as a "proper towel being thrown in", where do you get the idea that such a thing even exists? After the bell rung, she couldn't even peel herself off the mat to go back to her corner. Obviously, that was a cause for concern for Couture, and he probably told the ref she couldn't continue (if the ending was even in question...which it probably wasn't). This kinda stuff happens every day in MMA. Everybody in the damn arena knew the fight was over, whether they wanted to believe it or not.

Spouting off bullshit propaganda about the "stoppage" of the fight isn't going to change anything. Gina got beat. IF she wants to continue fighting, this fight should show her she needs to train harder and come back stronger. That's the best thing she can take out of it.
 
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