MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) Thread: UFC/Strikeforce

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[quote name='Ugamer_X']Was I watching the same fight as the judges? Shivers clearly won that.[/QUOTE]

I thought the same thing.

I guess they take away points for showing that you're tired.

At least next week's episode should be entertaining to say the least.
 
@TUF - Season 8, Episode 2 (tonight's episode)
Wes clearly won the first. It might of been a close call in the second... if you were only watching the last minute!

Well, I'm done for this season.
 
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[quote name='Ugamer_X']Was I watching the same fight as the judges? Shivers clearly won that.[/QUOTE]

i thought so to. the second round im not too sure on but the first round i know he dominated and he came back towards the end of the second. looks like a fix of some kind but why do that its not like these matches count or do they ?
 
I couldn't believe this fight didn't go to a third round. I definitely thought Shivers won the 1st round but I personally thought he lost the 2nd round. Either way both fighters looked terrible. So far none of the 4 fighters that have fought have looked very good in their fights. If this continues it could be a long season.

I love Rampage...but he chose a pretty awful team. His method of taking the taller, bigger fighters is not exactly working out well at all. I don't know about anyone else but I was surprised that Roy Nelson wasn't picked higher for the teams. I've seen him fight before and he is a pretty decent fighter.
 
Been awhile since I posted. I have to say I that the UFC Fight Night was more entertaining than UFC 103.

The early stops really pissed me off and seeing Crocop getting schooled most of his fight(Dos Santos looks to be a promising up and comer) was not much better.
I would honestly like to see him retire at this point.

Belfort did not disappoint and looks just as fast as he did back when he fought guys like Tank Abbott. Happy to see Efrain finally fight again and looked pretty impressive!

The UFC needs to start doing prelims on Spike more often this is great!

I have not yet watched TUF so I will save those comments for later.

Chuck on Dancing with the stars was pretty funny, but he looked like he was having fun.

Hershall Walker in Strikeforce are you kidding me?!

Really hope Rampage is not done but I think he will come back unless his acting career really explodes.

Fedor vs Rogers Nov 7th on CBS cant wait! Wonder how the UFC will counter program?
 
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That was some awful judging. Wes clearly won the first round, and the second was very close. I thought it should have went three, but if not, Wes should have gotten the win. Must say for being a number 1 pick, McSweeney didn't look to good.
 
[quote name='Shrapnellistic']@TUF - Season 8, Episode 2 (tonight's episode)
Wes clearly won the first. It might of been a close call in the second... if you were only watching the last minute!

Well, I'm done for this season.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Wes had some flurries in the first round, but I'm really not sure how many points he actually scored. He gained mount, but didn't use his size advantage at all to throw any strikes, and went for a kimura that instantly led to McSweeney getting back to his feet (really showed his lack of experience there). Then the Brit just started chopping away at him with the leg kicks. Those landed, did a ton of damage, and scored points.

In the 2nd round, all Wes did was counter, and those punches had nothing behind them. He ended up on top of McSweeney again toward the end of the round and rather than using his 50+ pound weight advantage, he kept going for submissions. I can appreciate a guy wanting to learn the technical side of MMA, but when you're that big, you should also know how to freaking maul somebody. With a little more experience, Wes wins that fight easily.

Neither man fought a great fight, but other than going purely on points (which I'd actually like to see), I think all you could say is that nothing Wes did was very effective, and that McSweeney's leg kicks were effective. That really seemed to be the only difference. I kinda thought they should have gone to a third round, but at that point, Wes could barely pull himself off the mat. So, what's the point?
 
I didn't catch the rest of the rounds but McSweeney clearly won the first round. That big guy did nothing but stand there like a punching bag. He ate a ton of jabs and leg kicks that were completely uncontested.
 
So, I wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that Kimbo lost to Nelson. It was supposedly leaked by Sims(what a tool that guy is). I know Nelson could do it, but I wonder if it is possible that Sims could have leaked it while in the house(Supposedly back in June).
 
man.. wtf @ wes shivers

The whole fight i was freaking screaming at the tv.. "WTF are you doing". fucking attack

He left his face wide open almost the whole match..
 
[quote name='Bmac1775']So, I wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that Kimbo lost to Nelson. It was supposedly leaked by Sims(what a tool that guy is). I know Nelson could do it, but I wonder if it is possible that Sims could have leaked it while in the house(Supposedly back in June).[/QUOTE]

theryre all rumors.
i cant see roy losing to him.
what i hear is its a good fight and roy wins, someone gets hurt and kimbo gets another shot and wins the next fight.

but yeah all rumors.
anxious to see it.
 
[quote name='paz9x']theryre all rumors.
i cant see roy losing to him.
what i hear is its a good fight and roy wins, someone gets hurt and kimbo gets another shot and wins the next fight.

but yeah all rumors.
anxious to see it.[/QUOTE]

Sweet!, i cant wait
 
I just watched the first two episodes of TUF. I think the first fight went on a bit too long Abe was a complete mess(that would make a good "so you want to be an mma fighter huh?" PSA). OVerall it was pretty boring too just showed that he had no take down D what so ever(nil ground game as well). Mcsweeney and Shivers looked pretty unimpressive both gassed bad and that 2nd round was mostly a complete joke(I kept yelling at my tv someone fucking work!!!. This is Rashad's top pick? the guy who has been training over a year with his camp and has a ton of kickboxing matches under his belt? Anyone think Rashad was about to have a stroke he was going absolutely nuts! LEFT HOOK LEFT HOOK!!!!! James LEFT HOOK!

I can't wait to see Big Country vs Kimbo though I really hope its a good fight!
 
Yeah, honestly, I gotta give Dana credit for allowing Kimbo to fight this early. All the people who thought the show would be rigged to carry Kimbo's name as long as possible should be shut up by this fight. They matched up two of the biggest names on the show in a freaking PRELIMINARY fight! That blew my mind.

I fully expected Rashad to call out Kimbo. But to do it with Nelson was unreal. I guess he really wanted to be the one to send Kimbo packing. If someone actually does get hurt later on and Kimbo gets to come back, then cool. That's not uncommon and happened twice in season one. But throwing him into the fire this early is awesome, and should finally give us an exciting episode.
 
I have no idea why the hell i have such an infatuation with Kimbo Slice... i've never even seen any of his youtube videos...but man, i love that guy and i'm rooting him to win this all.
 
[quote name='billyrox']I have no idea why the hell i have such an infatuation with Kimbo Slice... i've never even seen any of his youtube videos...but man, i love that guy and i'm rooting him to win this all.[/QUOTE]

Well, what's crazy to me is, knowing the history of both Kimbo and Big Country, Kimbo is coming across super humble and respectful, and Nelson is looking like an arrogant, disrespectful jackass. Not that I thought Kimbo was gutter trash, but I didn't think it would play out like THAT.
 
So why is it that the fighters can't punch the back of their opponents head even when they're in the guard and can't get a ton of force behind it (in the name of not wanting to cause spinal damage) but they can pick their opponent up and body slam them on to their backs?
 
Dana White Says We Will See Kimbo Slice Fight In The UFC After TUF 10
While the series has just gotten underway, early indications are that Slice has represented himself well and UFC president Dana White has already declared that Kimbo Slice will fight in the UFC.

"Are you going to see Kimbo Slice fight again in the UFC?" Dana White rhetorically asked the Los Angeles Times. "Yes."

White did note that the decision to have Slice fight in the UFC is not based on the ratings of the season premiere.

"The ratings do not influence our decision," White noted. "The guy can either fight or not."

UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta added, "We've been very impressed with Kimbo's performance."
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http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/0923/447273/kimbo-slice/index.shtml

Looks like Kimbo will be sticking around the UFC for a bit.

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UFC 108 January 2
Anderson Silva vs Vitor Belfort
http://mmafrenzy.com/11642/anderson-silva-vs-vitor-belfort-planned-for-ufc-108/
 
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http://mmajunkie.com/news/16315/and...title-fight-likely-for-ufc-108-in-january.mma

5 reasons Vitor should get the shot first.

- Vitor beat Franklin quicker than Anderson did (Anderson had 2 chances)
Hendo went to a decision (many thought Franklin won)

- Vitor vs. Silva, and Hendo vs. nate the Great would do far better ppv wise than just hendo vs. Silva, or Marquart vs. Silva

- Hendo or Nate lose again (which is very likely) then they are like Franklin, fought Silva twice and lost both times. Making both stocks go way down and they would be stuck fighting at 205, 195???, or be so called gate keepers at 185.

- Hendo vs Marquart would be an extremely entertaining fight for the fans (IMHO) and would go great on the end of year card!!

- Hendo winning, or Marquart winning this fight could possibly launch their confidence through the roof giving them a better chance at defeating Silva the second time around, and would put most fans on the same page with who of the two should get the shot.

- Vitor has the best shot at beating A Silva in my opinion. He used to train in Black House and I believe helped Machida train for the Evans fight. I also heard he has been training under Machida's father in Karate.

- Silva probably only has 3 matches left in MMA this one would not be a waste.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']http://mmajunkie.com/news/16315/and...title-fight-likely-for-ufc-108-in-january.mma

5 reasons Vitor should get the shot first.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more with all of this! Dana was already having trouble deciding whether Henderson or Marquardt deserved the shot, so having them fight each other is only logical. Either way, the winner of that fight gets a title shot. And given both of their records against Silva, it might be better for both of them to potentially face Belfort. And like I said before, I'm sure a fight against Belfort interests Anderson far more than another rematch.
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']UFC 103 dissapointed me. Excited for the Machida/Shogun fight though, that should be a good one.

Also, what's the affiliation between UFC and WEC?[/QUOTE]
Zuffa owns both UFC and WEC. It runs them as separate entities, with WEC being composed of very light weight classes, including lightweight (155), featherweight (145), and bantamweight (135).
 
[quote name='Pavel6969']WEC is rumored to be absorbed into the UFC in the very near future.[/QUOTE]

For a long time I wouldn't have cared whether this happened or not but I would greatly appreciate it seeing as how a lot of people had Versus taken away. Thank you DirecTV! :wall:
 
[quote name='bg88']For a long time I wouldn't have cared whether this happened or not but I would greatly appreciate it seeing as how a lot of people had Versus taken away. Thank you DirecTV! :wall:[/QUOTE]


Direct TV could get Versus anymore because Comcast which owns Versuses refused to renew their contract...
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']man marquardt is getting jacked from his title shot?!? that's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I see it more as Hendo getting his shot taken away, considering he was promised the shot first.
 
They really need to make Nate and Hendo fight. Both guys normally would deserve a title shot, but since they both got owned against Anderson before, I think they should fight each other first. Belfort getting the shot isn't exactly fair, but he won't win it anyways.
 
So if Silva retains at UFC 108, wouldn't his next opponent be either Henderson or Marquardt? It seems a rematch with one or the other is inevitable. I am definitely assuming Anderson will be successful in defeating Vitor, but we'll see in January. I will admit Vitor is a more interesting matchup than the other 2, but more deserving?

BTW, Kimbo better knock out Big Country this Wednesday.
 
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[quote name='darth007']So if Silva retains at UFC 108, wouldn't his next opponent be either Henderson or Marquardt? It seems a rematch with one or the other is inevitable. I am definitely assuming Anderson will be successful in defeating Vitor, but we'll see in January. I will admit Vitor is a more interesting matchup than the other 2, but more deserving?

BTW, Kimbo better knock out Big Country this Wednesday.[/QUOTE]


dude, i dont know... I REALLY want it to happen, but dude, his wrestling skills are sub par
 
A merger would also allow for more events to air on Spike and/or the network deal Dana has been talking about. The UFC is probably close to its limit in terms of PPVs they could do in a year (I think any more than 2 a month is crazy). But if they're going to be expanding the roster by adding all the WEC guys, they have to put them somewhere. To me, this means more free fights under the UFC banner, which is a great thing for brand recognition and the growth of the company.
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']I see it more as Hendo getting his shot taken away, considering he was promised the shot first.[/QUOTE]

Exactly and I'm a huge fan of Hendo but I honestly would rather see Belfort vs Silva than Marquart or Hendo.
 
So, we had another sub par heavyweight fight. The only big hit was landed by Kimbo but Nelson was easily able to control him on the ground. I don't understand why after every single one of these fights, either the coaches or the fighters themselves say it was an exciting fight. Just no.

I really felt that they were setting up for Kimbo coming back for another fight in this episode by spending so much time on the other guys hurt knee.
 
[quote name='Dingleberry']So, we had another sub par heavyweight fight. The only big hit was landed by Kimbo but Nelson was easily able to control him on the ground. I don't understand why after every single one of these fights, either the coaches or the fighters themselves say it was an exciting fight. Just no.

I really felt that they were setting up for Kimbo coming back for another fight in this episode by spending so much time on the other guys hurt knee.[/QUOTE]


agreed.. hopefully Kimbo comes back... i want him to kick some ass
 
Yeah, wow...really shitty fight, and Nelson is a bitch. Yes, he won according to the rules, but he sure as hell didn't beat Kimbo. All he did was force Herb Dean to stop a fight with no damage done to the other fighter. You could even tell that Herb didn't really want to stop it.

It really pissed me off that even before the fight his strategy was "The referee has to stop it. It's the rules." A win is a win, but that was a gutless performance. I don't think I've ever seen a guy win by combining the crucifix position with baby taps to the top of the head. If you're better on the ground, mount the guy, hammerfist the shit out of him, or choke him out, or something. Kimbo should have just hit him in the nuts and forced a stand up. Counter cheap fighting with cheap fighting.

But what Nelson showed was a heartless performance by a truly heartless fighter. I loved that he was really the only one impressed with himself. And then the line about getting "the king" a double whopper was ridiculous (although a good nod to the sponsor, I guess). I guess Big Country is trying to become Big Continent, by getting free BK for life. I'm still surprised at how much of an ass he is.

Obviously, Kimbo will be back, but I hope he works on his sprawl a lot more. All he needed to do in that fight was stuff takedowns and pick his shots. Nelson wouldn't have had a chance. And based on Dana (and everyone elses) feelings about Nelson, I wouldn't be surprised if he won the tournament and wasn't given a UFC contract. It would serve him right.
 
Yea, it was a crap shoot of a fight but I too hope Kimbo returns. I have to say, never was a big Kimbo fan but after watching the show....dude is either putting on a face or he is EXTREMLY humble. Won my support just from that.
 
I echo the majority of the comments that the fight was a big disappointment and I hope Kimbo comes back. Completely agree he needs to really focus on take down defense, you could tell ol' Roy wanted no part of him standing. Honestly, I would not be surprised if we see a rematch in the TUF finale(either for the contract or as an extra fight).
 
[quote name='shibaraski']Kimbo needs to work harder. hes not a true MMA fighter yet[/QUOTE]

You sound like one of the 96'ers on the Yankees message board who still claims that A-Rod is not a "true Yankee". Kimbo is an MMA fighter...just not a very good one yet. He's shown improvement, but he's got a long way to go (and I'm still not sure he can get there considering his age). That still doesn't change the fact that Nelson fought him like a guy not very confident he could beat him. Like Dana said, he did just enough to win.
 
Before this season started, if someone would have told me that I would end up liking Kimbo more than Roy, I would have laughed in their face. However, Kimbo always seems humble and eager to learn, while Roy just seems like a jackass. I thought Kimbo looked a lot better than in his previous fights. His striking has improved a lot, as he showed a lot more patience and did a much better job keeping his chin down and his hands up. He still has an incredible amount to learn, specifically in how to stuff takedowns, but at least he seems willing and eager to learn.
 
Roy proved that skilled fat guy beats muscled athletic guy throwing tons of n00bs expectations into a spiral. I loved it.

I also am a huge user of the crucifix from top, it's a ridiculously powerful place. Typically I look for kimura/americana and mix it up with forearm choke attempts to get the finish. Generating power from that position isn't really that easy and if you look at Kimbo's legs he is making NO effort to free himself. Pathetic, really. The guy is years from being able to beat anyone with skills and he doesn't have years left to learn.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Roy proved that skilled fat guy beats muscled athletic guy throwing tons of n00bs expectations into a spiral. I loved it.

I also am a huge user of the crucifix from top, it's a ridiculously powerful place. Typically I look for kimura/americana and mix it up with forearm choke attempts to get the finish. Generating power from that position isn't really that easy and if you look at Kimbo's legs he is making NO effort to free himself. Pathetic, really. The guy is years from being able to beat anyone with skills and he doesn't have years left to learn.[/QUOTE]

While I agree with your main point, I still don't like to root for a jackass. All Roy has shown on TUF is a shitty attitude and an arrogant demeanor. He acts like he deserves the contract because of what he's already done in his career. In the first episode when he said "I thought I was the big announcement", I thought he was joking. But he actually does think that way.

I'm not a Kimbo fanboy, or think he's going to turn into the next heavyweight champion. But he's surprised me with his work ethic and general good attitude. It makes it easy to pull for him. You also have to remember, Kimbo never proclaimed to be the best MMA fighter of all time. That was EliteXC's fault.
 
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