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[quote name='Chase']A Bisping loss? What a fantastic, belated Christmas present! Thank you, Santa![/QUOTE]
+1 possibly the only guy currently in mma that I cant stand.
 
Indeed.

And I understand why people dislike Chael, but what they need to remember is that Chael plays a character. Bisping is actually a dick. Also: Rousey also plays up her personality. Cyborg has a d— Ahem. ;)

Dana confirmed Maia-Weidman. Tough test for the Longo-Serra prospect.
 
Sonnen is annoying and a punk. If it's a gimmick it's even worse. Take that fake shit to wrestling. I'll be rooting for Bisping.
 
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Dana confirmed Maia-Weidman. Tough test for the Longo-Serra prospect.[/QUOTE]

Dana offered it to Palhares but he turned it down, too bad, it could have been a pretty interesting grappling battle.

On a side note, Mo Lawal tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, it seems to be a usual thing anymore. I hope they can figure out how to crack down on this stuff so we can find out who the real cream of the crops are.
 
[quote name='icp_00_111']On a side note, Mo Lawal tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, it seems to be a usual thing anymore. I hope they can figure out how to crack down on this stuff so we can find out who the real cream of the crops are.[/QUOTE]

impossible, he only cheats on video games.
 
[quote name='DT778']Sonnen Bisping is annoying and a punk.[/QUOTE]

Uh, I think you spelled Bisping's name wrong (don't worry, I fixed it for you ;)). Seriously, how does this not describe him even more? You have seen Michael Bisping right...? Maybe the speakers on your TV are broken?
 
Bisping is a great fight for Sonnen.

Weidman/Maia is going to be great though, a very underrated fight that probably won't be regarded as a possibly exciting match up. I think it will be. Huge step up for Weidman, although I'll within my thoughts on that fight until next week.
 
[quote name='DT778']Sonnen is annoying and a punk. If it's a gimmick it's even worse. Take that fake shit to wrestling. I'll be rooting for Bisping.[/QUOTE]



Bahahaha . . . Fair enough! ;)

It's similar to how the Diaz brothers trash talk, Ronda Rousey speaks freely, etc. The UFC is entertainment. Shit, even their business model is straight outta WWE. It's as, Olympic bronze medalist, Ronda Rousey says, "If you want pure competition, watch the Olympics. This is entertainment."

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Yep, Krakrabbit, Weidman-Maia is interesting. I was very surprised to see Weidman open as a -325 favorite. He's already down to -225, but it's still surprising to see him open as such a strong favorite.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I get why Maia stands up and boxes more, now, in his fights. Guy wants to expand his repertoire and become a more complete MMA fighter. However, I don't know if that's the strategy he wants to use against Weidman. I think Weidman uses striking better while Maia is—of course—the stronger grappler. I'd be interested to see how good Weidman's grappling performs against a world-class grappler like Maia. Tough call. I like Maia a sliver more than Weidman but wouldn't be surprised if Weidman takes a close decision.

And I heard about King Mo. Joe Lauzon has been pretty vocal against PEDs, which is good. I'm honestly surprised how more fighters don't test positive. Everyone is on something. Some supplements contain traces of PEDs.
 
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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Uh, I think you spelled Bisping's name wrong (don't worry, I fixed it for you ;)). Seriously, how does this not describe him even more? You have seen Michael Bisping right...? Maybe the speakers on your TV are broken?[/QUOTE]Heh, Bisping has no charm but I'll take anybody over Sonnen.

[quote name='Chase']Bahahaha . . . Fair enough! ;)

It's similar to how the Diaz brothers trash talk, Ronda Rousey speaks freely, etc. The UFC is entertainment. Shit, even their business model is straight outta WWE. It's as, Olympic bronze medalist, Ronda Rousey says, "If you want pure competition, watch the Olympics. This is entertainment."[/QUOTE]I know it's entertainment but I just don't like the way Sonnen plays the game. Which falls into exactly what he wants. Either to be loved or hated.
 
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Yep, Krakrabbit, Weidman-Maia is interesting. I was very surprised to see Weidman open as a -325 favorite. He's already down to -225, but it's still surprising to see him open as such a strong favorite.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I get why Maia stands up and boxes more, now, in his fights. Guy wants to expand his repertoire and become a more complete MMA fighter. However, I don't know if that's the strategy he wants to use against Weidman. I think Weidman uses striking better while Maia is—of course—the stronger grappler. I'd be interested to see how good Weidman's grappling performs against a world-class grappler like Maia. Tough call. I like Maia a sliver more than Weidman but wouldn't be surprised if Weidman takes a close decision.

And I heard about King Mo. Joe Lauzon has been pretty vocal against PEDs, which is good. I'm honestly surprised how more fighters don't test positive. Everyone is on something. Some supplements contain traces of PEDs.[/QUOTE]

LOL at Weidman having better striking. Maia hung with Munoz on the feet and has struck pretty well with everyone since Anderson (and he still did...OK I suppose). Weidman is a pure grappler, even more pure grappler then Maia. This could be a trap fight for him.
 
[quote name='DT778']I know it's entertainment but I just don't like the way Sonnen plays the game. Which falls into exactly what he wants. Either to be loved or hated.[/QUOTE]

At the end of the day, that's what it is. He's a great hype man. And it's not the same as pro wrestling because he's not doing it in the cage (where he's always been very respectful). It's not like when Brock flipped off the crowd and disrespected one of the UFC's biggest sponsors. Or where...speak of the devil, Michael Bisping spit on Jorge Rivera and told him to go fuck himself. That type of behavior is just moronic and classless.

What Chael does has been done in boxing for decades, and is really no different than what you see in other sports where a player (or hell, sometimes a coach) will rip on an upcoming opponent to the media, or guarantee a victory, or whatever. The risk is always that all it's accomplishing is giving your opponent more motivation to kick your ass, but the entertainment value is still there.

Obviously, you're still completely within your rights to hate him for it, lol. But I really like Chael as a fighter because he's a wrestler who keeps working after the takedown. He doesn't just grind out victories, and is always looking to finish (which is why he lost to Silva to begin with). I also think he's funny if you don't take him too seriously. I think most of the hate comes from people who think he takes himself that seriously...which he doesn't.
 
Boooo they're changing HDnet with Cuban and Ryan Seacrest teaming up and changing it to AXS TV and will be 50/50 partners and the new network will focus on " pop culture and entertainment fans instead of the mostly male demographic that HDnet catered to.".Seems like we're going to be getting less mma :(.

On a side think I think Melvin Guilliard can pull off the upset tonight.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Boooo they're changing HDnet with Cuban and Ryan Seacrest teaming up and changing it to AXS TV and will be 50/50 partners and the new network will focus on " pop culture and entertainment fans instead of the mostly male demographic that HDnet catered to.".Seems like we're going to be getting less mma :(.

On a side think I think Melvin Guilliard can pull off the upset tonight.[/QUOTE]

lol dude, you might want to read the press release.
 
[quote name='Maklershed']Cuban says that it actually will mean more mma. (according an mmajunkie interview anyway)[/QUOTE]
I'd hope so.MMA is all the channel seems being worthy for.I'd be fine without girls gone wild and all the drinking shows.
 
Does anyone else find it odd looking that they are forcing Bonnar and the other guy to hold their microphones. I mean, they're sitting down. It never looks weird when Rogan is standing there with a mic in his hand.
 
If the 5th flying knee in the first round doesn't work, go for a 6th!Surely he won't think you're starting to become predictable.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']If the 5th flying knee in the first round doesn't work, go for a 6th!Surely he won't think you're starting to become predictable.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Yeah, Guillard was pretty reckless (as per usual).

I ended up 9-1 in picks for the night. I should have known Shalorus would gas in the later rounds. I found Khabib a difficult pick as he beat a lot of lower-tier fighters to establish his streak. I won't underestimate him next time.

Anyone else disappointed by Brenneman's crucifix? Dude had Roberts in a crucifix a few times and only peppered him with punches. Brenneman showed that he lacked the killer instinct to drop elbows and do some damage. I'm particularly glad to see Jorge Rivera go out with a win. Great dude with a solid career.

Melvin Guillard's biggest weakness is himself. He has been through some truly disheartening and tough times (e.g., seeing floating bodies of kids post-Katrina, his father's death, etc.). Watch the fight again. You can see Melvin lose focus right after Miller got back up after being stunned by Melvin's best shots. For a guy with the high amount of talent and experience that Guillard possesses, it's unfortunate to see him make the same mistakes again. I think leaving the Blackzillians and going back to Jackson's MMA is a must if he wants to progress as a fighter. If anyone can teach Guillard to be less reckless and give him focus, it's Greg Jackson.

I'm glad to see Jim Miller pick up the win. Guy is a hard-worker with legit talent. If he didn't have a kidney infection and other health problems going into the fight with Ben Henderson, you have to wonder if Bendo would still have dominated him like he did. I want to see Miller fight the winner of Edgar-Henderson for the 155-pound strap.

And hats-off to Pat Berry for visibly-progressing as a fighter. Dude obviously worked hard to improve his wrestling and submission defense. Morecraft is no jiujitsu standout, but Barry got out of some tight situations where other fighters would have failed. Berry is like the mirror-world, heavyweight version of Matt Serra—minus capturing a world title.
 
I did pretty bad,usually I do above average but not a good night for me in my picks.Went 5-5.Got Guiliard/Ludwig/Schafer/Schilling and Kamal all wrong.I suppose I should've seen the Ludwig/Neer fight, but I figured Neer would be stupid enough to keep it standing and just wanna box and favored Ludwig there.I don't feel that bad about picking Guiliard or the rest but man what was up with all of the flying knee attempts?Seriously, even for Guiliard that was a bit much.Sure a flying knee can lead to a nice KO over someone trying to take you down, but if you don't get that KO and hes still there it can also lead you being off balance and him able to slam you down to the mat.He seemed able to keep it on the feet on previous takedown attempts, just not with being in the air trying to get a flashy KO.
 
Brenneman did his thing on the card, but Roberts looked better then ever IMO with his submission attempts. Did not gas out as badly as usual (one round) and threw up with very tight submissions that I think would have tapped many other guys.

Guillard got choked, like usual. Miller was too durable and on the ground, as everyone expected, he was outmatched in a flash.

Barry looked good. His submission defense looked very solid against Morecraft who, really, isn't a very good grappler but nonetheless would have tapped "Old HD". Striking was no contest as expected, and the KO was nice.

P.S. The Neer comeback was pretty good. I was surprised he couldn't do anything on the feet, but baiting Ludwig into the Guillotine was pretty nice. I was impressed with the quickness he latched onto it when his bait was successful.
 
"I think Alistair, everything he does is one single shot because he knows he's got that glass jaw as well. He's been knocked out quite a few times in the past, even by Chuck Liddell as well. Every time when he punches, one hand is up. He throws single shots; he doesn't throw combinations. You saw that when he fought [Fabricio] Werdum. Werdum was actually tagging him more than he did to Werdum. I think that Junior dos Santos, with his combinations, his reach, I think he's going to tag him and he's going to throw combos and I think that yeah, he's going to take this fight." - Bas Rutten
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Ouch, that hurts.Bas use to think Alistair was the #1 Heavyweight in the world but he seems to be changing his mind on it.Possibly because of what he thinks about Alistair after the whole thing that went down with Alistair leaving and suing Golden Glory.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Ouch, that hurts.Bas use to think Alistair was the #1 Heavyweight in the world but he seems to be changing his mind on it.Possibly because of what he thinks about Alistair after the whole thing that went down with Alistair leaving and suing Golden Glory.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Bas is tight with the GG guys, I think that really soured him on reem.

I dont disagree with what Bas says about it either. Outside of all the hype I hear about K1 level stand up, its not a freak occurrence to see those guys take big shots in mma. The difference in glove size has a significant effect on their defense. I notice lesser head movement from K1 guys and a reliance on blocking shots with their gloves/arms. Not like this is a new opinion.
 
I love Bas—but his change of tune is absolutely related to Overeem's conflict with Golden Glory. He's right, though. I think Dos Santos drops Overeem. Overeem's chin—is—suspect while JDS took some of Carwin's best shots on the chin and smiled. Overeem may have better kicks and knees, but I would be surprised if he beats Dos Santos. Dos Santos is the more complete fighter.

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Front Row Brian reported a big rumor that Jon Jones will headline UFC 145 regardless of who wins the Evans-Davis fight. And if he wins at UFC 145, it's probably his final fight at 205.

I figured he had a year or two left before he outgrew 205. Evans better win! Those two MUST fight before Jones leaves the division.
 
Jones is a beast, I feel like he needs to fight Evans before he leaves. I think he will crush evans, just on sheer size and explosiveness alone, but it would close that chapter that has been in the waiting for a while. I think Rashad would be better at 185 because he seems to be a smaller LHW, but it might just be me. Then Jones to HW would be very interesting, quite a few good matchups there for him and idk if he will be as physically dominating there as in the LHW division but it will be fun to find out.
 
[quote name='Chase']I love Bas—but his change of tune is absolutely related to Overeem's conflict with Golden Glory. He's right, though. I think Dos Santos drops Overeem. Overeem's chin—is—suspect while JDS took some of Carwin's best shots on the chin and smiled. Overeem may have better kicks and knees, but I would be surprised if he beats Dos Santos. Dos Santos is the more complete fighter.

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Front Row Brian reported a big rumor that Jon Jones will headline UFC 145 regardless of who wins the Evans-Davis fight. And if he wins at UFC 145, it's probably his final fight at 205.

I figured he had a year or two left before he outgrew 205. Evans better win! Those two MUST fight before Jones leaves the division.[/QUOTE]

I highly doubt Jones will be moving up in weight so soon, as far as I know he doesn't cut a ton of weight to make 205. He's just tall, tall doesn't mean he needs to add 50 pounds of muscle and end up like Overeem at HW.
 
FRB is usually money.

In my opinion, Jon Jones has two fights left at 205. Dan Henderson and the winner of Phil Davis and Shadface McGee. I don't have any local insiders, so I don't know his situation with the weight cut. From the looks of his build, his upper-body is pretty huge. Since he's young and ever-growing, once his legs start putting on mass, I think the cut to 205 will be pretty tasking. Just my two cents, tho. :)

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Jim Miller-Nate Diaz confirmed for UFC on FOX 3 in May. That fight should headline the show. Sounds like a title eliminator.


Edit: Miller-Diaz will not main event the UFC on FOX 3 show.
 
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Damn, I hope Jones doesn't move up so soon. He's incredibly talented, but I feel like his skills are still a bit raw. Becoming the smaller fighter against more experienced, well-rounded guys like Cain or JDS just doesn't feel right yet. What Jones needs is guys getting a second look at him, figuring out his style a bit more, and then him making adjustments in return. That's how you become a better fighter. If it was OK for Silva to just recycle opponents at 185 for years and years, I don't see why Jones needs to move up so quickly.

Speaking of Anderson, has anybody played the UFC Undisputed 3 demo yet? The available fighters are Jones and Silva at 205. This got me thinking, what if Anderson's "injury" is just a rouse and he's actually prepping himself for a permanent move to 205? This would be pretty funny as a way to not fight Chael and forever leave that last second defeat hanging over his head. I just don't know if Silva has the drive to do it, but he's obviously not getting any younger. I just thought that it was odd for THQ to put him in there as the other 205'er for Jones, and not someone like Henderson or Rashad. Maybe it's a clue! :)
 
^Not at all. They put Jones and Silva in there because they are 2 of the more popular champs in the UFC. Plus, Silva has competed at 205 before. Yes it would be a dream match, but it will likely not happen anytime soon.

Every injury is checked by the doctors appointed by the UFC so there is no faking injuries. Dana White said the winner of this Saturday's bout will face Silva next. Silva is aging and probably has a couple more fights left. I'm sure he would like to knock out Sonnen and the UFC would be crazy no t to put this match together. It will be the biggest rematch in MMA history. Plus if they can pull it off in Brazil, it'll be even bigger.
 
silva sonnen biggest rematch? no, no, a thousand times no. chael won't ever be a big name until he actually starts finishing opponents and learns some BJJ (yes i know his last win was finally not a decision for once). let's not even mention that he was popped for Test levels 17 times that of a normal human and tried to claim all sorts of excuses about why he shouldn't be suspended.

couture/liddell and tito/shamrock are far bigger rematches that have occurred. how about hughes/gsp or penn/hughes? hell even trigg/hughes was a much bigger rematch.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']silva sonnen biggest rematch? no, no, a thousand times no. chael won't ever be a big name until he actually starts finishing opponents and learns some BJJ (yes i know his last win was finally not a decision for once). let's not even mention that he was popped for Test levels 17 times that of a normal human and tried to claim all sorts of excuses about why he shouldn't be suspended.

couture/liddell and tito/shamrock are far bigger rematches that have occurred. how about hughes/gsp or penn/hughes? hell even trigg/hughes was a much bigger rematch.[/QUOTE]

Sonnen/Silva would be the biggest rematch Brazil has ever seen. :cool:
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Sonnen/Silva would be the biggest rematch Brazil has ever seen. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Hehehe . . . Trolling or not, I have to agree.

Brazil has a booming economy and is a huge market for MMA. (Think: UFC's market in Canada.) Sonnen-Silva 2 will draw incredibly well. Maybe not a million buys like Lesnar did. But 725K buys like UFC 126 did? Possible. Sonnen-Silva 2 will easily do plus-500K.

P.S. Couture-Liddell 3 only did 400K. Good for its time, but nothing special by today's numbers.
 
are we talking big in just sheer buys or big in actual sport impact?

in sport impact this means not very much, but of course i expect it to do bigger numbers than the ole days.
 
Dana White and his tendency to throw temper tantrums like a baby has gotten him in trouble with Anonymous. If you're not following the shenanigans on Twitter, user, @JoshTheGod posted White's info.

http://pastebin.com/D1zRYSYd

Social security number and everything. Anonymous itself has asked White to retract his position on SOPA/PIPA/ACTA.
 
I know alot of people don't like anonymous, but I do. I am heavily against sopa and kinda figured they were going to go after Dana like that and I am glad they did. I love the UFC and like DFW but not a fan of his tantrums and his sopa alliance so I am glad to see this. On another note, I will be pulling for Sonnen this weekend, I honestly don't like him or Bisping but I want to see Silva/Sonnen II. I am a huge Silva fan but not fighting Chael again could be a blemish to a remarkable career. I will also be pulling for Maia because he is a class act, and I guess I will be rooting for Evans just so Jones can finish him and then we don't have to hear about the Evans/Jones feud any more.
 
Dana is a fool for the most part and his public stance on trying to control everything has gotten him in some trouble this time. If he wants this fight I think he is going to be in for a long battle with a number of hackers.
 
UFC needs to reel in Dana. He actually continued to antagonize Anonymous to the point where they've released his salary, net worth, and other details. I can't remember the details, but if you had plans to order the next PPV through UFC's website, I'd avoid doing so.

Dana should get his credit report. While ID theft is more difficult in today's tech-savvy age, it's not impossible. And social security numbers never change.

In other news: Word around town is that Michael Bisping is having trouble cutting weight. Chael's a wrestler, so a weight cut ain't no thang. I respect Bisping's skills but how does Chael not win this fight?
 
I don't know. I think Dana really stuck his foot in his mouth with the whole SOPA thing, but at the same time, Anonymous is just as arrogant. "We disagree with what you said, so we're going to threaten you with a bunch of criminal activity." In a way, I hope he presses them into doing something, and then tracks their asses down. The problem is that 99% of those guys probably aren't in the US.

Obviously, this wouldn't happen, but I'm just picturing Chuck Liddell (simply because he has nothing else to do) knocking on the door of some home in the suburbs, and hearing a mother yell for her son down in the basement. "Steven, there's some man with a mohawk here to see you. He says he knows you from computer camp." And then...
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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Obviously, this wouldn't happen, but I'm just picturing Chuck Liddell (simply because he has nothing else to do) knocking on the door of some home in the suburbs, and hearing a mother yell for her son down in the basement. "Steven, there's some man with a mohawk here to see you. He says he knows you from computer camp." And then...
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Because in America, everything is settled with violence. Grrr.
 
Site got hacked again today, with the Anon logo put on the site. Its back restored but Dana won't stop but he CANNOT beat Anon. Just laughs and perhaps a lesson learned for old DFW.
 
Dana's "Come at me, bro" methodology of handling adversity just won't work against Anonymous and their "We'll come at you, bro" methodology.
 
Five things to take away from UFC on FOX 2.

1. Curt Menefee needs to stay away from MMA. Dude is awful at his job.

2. Anderson Silva has declined to fight Chael Sonnen on four separate occasions and stole Chael's title from his dressing room.

3. Silva would rather retire than fight Chael.

4. I'd be inclined to give Bisping his due credit as a fighter if he weren't such an awful person. (See: Illegal shots, classless post-fight behavior, etc.)

5. Jon Jones opens as a -625 favorite over Rashad Evans.
 
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