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A play on Bones needs to be Jones ITD, not Jones straight. The same with Henderson. Henderson ITD (KO) is the much better bet on him. If available of course, but...
 
Sounds like Nate might have a pretty good sparring partner if he takes Edgar up on his offer to help him train for Henderson.

Alistair Overeem says Vitor Belfort just joined the Blackzillians.Can't really think of a more high profiled camp that does as bad seemingly in higher profiled fights.Even had Mike Van Arsdale leaving a while back.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Sounds like Nate might have a pretty good sparring partner if he takes Edgar up on his offer to help him train for Henderson.

Alistair Overeem says Vitor Belfort just joined the Blackzillians.Can't really think of a more high profiled camp that does as bad seemingly in higher profiled fights.Even had Mike Van Arsdale leaving a while back.[/QUOTE]

That camp seems like a bit of a mess, the van arsdale blow-up was surprising given what id seen/heard about the place up to that point.

Im curious about edgar training with nate. With his (both diaz i guess) stance on hating everybody he may eventually fight contrasting them both being parts of the gracie family.
 
[quote name='paz9x']Im curious about edgar training with nate. With his (both diaz i guess) stance on hating everybody he may eventually fight contrasting them both being parts of the gracie family.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure he could justify it with some "dirty look" or "disrespect" that Edgar gave him that he completely made up in his head, and that's why they "can't be friends" anymore. I understand where Frankie is coming from, being a little bitter and probably wanting to help ANYBODY take the belt away from Henderson, but as wacky as the Diaz boys are, I don't think they'd make great bedfellows. I would keep my guard up at all times around them.
 
Edgar has Renzo gracie affiliation with almeida. I figured thats where that came from. I recall something a while back about nate and edgar not caring to fight because of it. this was a year or more ago.
 
[quote name='paz9x']Edgar has Renzo gracie affiliation with almeida. I figured thats where that came from. I recall something a while back about nate and edgar not caring to fight because of it. this was a year or more ago.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm just saying if/when they need to fight, I'd be shocked if it was done amicably. I think fighting mad is the only way the Diaz brothers know how to fight, and he'd most likely have to fabricate some reason to all of a sudden have a problem with Edgar. Although, maybe Frankie IS planning on moving down to 145, so he knows it won't be an issue anyway.
 
Of course, within 20 seconds of listening to Mauro Ranallo, he's already irritated the shit out of me, lol. He points out Liz Carmouche in the crowd and refer to her Twitter as @iamaGOrilla. It says @iamaGIRLrilla, moron. She was obviously trying to be clever, and it just goes right over his head.

Wow...ZZ Top (referee) just told TJ Cook to "hurry up" after getting kicked in the nuts. How does this guy get to this level without knowing the rules?
 
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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Wow...ZZ Top (referee) just told TJ Cook to "hurry up" after getting kicked in the nuts. How does this guy get to this level without knowing the rules?[/QUOTE]
Dudes got shit to do, cant be waiting around all night for some nuts to rest.
 
[quote name='paz9x']Dudes got shit to do, cant be waiting around all night for some nuts to rest.[/QUOTE]

lol...I know right. He was clean shaven when the fight started. \\:D/
 
U know they don't think much of Kaufman when the strikeforce facebook poll was if the fight would go more than 1 round. That being said. Let's go Rhonda!
 
Damn...impressive technical striking from Souza. He was so patient waiting to see if Brunson was out yet. It was like "Oh...you're still awake? All right..." *bam, bam, bam* "Now? Nope..." *bam, bam* "Ok, there we go"
 
LMAO....oh, Frank Shamrock. You're like a real life Joey Tribbiani.

Will the Rousey/Kaufman fight last longer than one round?
Yes: 64%
No: 36%

Shamrock: "I think they're wrong! I think Kaufman makes it out of the first round."
Ranallo: "So, they were right?"
Shamrock: "Maybe..."
 
WOOOOOO!!! Another fight, another armbar! Rousey is just light years ahead of any woman in MMA right now. She's the female Jon Jones.

Pretty funny hearing Kaufman say she didn't deserve the title shot so quick. Care to rephrase that, Sarah? lol
 
6 wins 6 subs 6 armbars. Total of like 7. Or 8 min of fights. That's nuts. I've seen her a lot on eddie bravos school.channel on youtube. I never thought she was this dangerous.
 
[quote name='dkreegz515']6 wins 6 subs 6 armbars. Total of like 7. Or 8 min of fights. That's nuts. I've seen her a lot on eddie bravos school.channel on youtube. I never thought she was this dangerous.[/QUOTE]

Now imagine what her hourly pay would be if converted that way.

*cries self to sleep*
 
That Hayastan Academy isn't that big of a name in terms of producing a bunch of good guys, but they are a TOP NOTCH place for sure. What a shock that Rousey wins by submission in the first /sarcasm.

She will be a heavy favorite over Cyborg though, especially if (s)he comes down to 135 where (s)he will be very dehydrated.
 
What's crazy to me is how fast Rousey snaked that armbar. She basically gave up mount so she could wrap her leg around Kaufman's face...and STILL, Kaufman doesn't see it coming. After that, it was like a Rottweiler with a chew toy, lol.
 
Ronda Rousey is fuckin' scary. She would wreck most male fighters at 135 (including Cyborg). There is no female in the world who can beat her in the cage. People joke about Caraway-Rousey. Ronda would—absolutely—decimate Caraway.

7-1 tonight on bets. 10-1 for MMA bets if you count Legacy FC on Friday. $$$
 
Went 7-2 in picks last night,felt like a pretty easy card.Got the Lumumba wrong and picking Yamanaka.Laid off the bets.Thought Kaufmann would provide a tougher,longer fight then she did but still thought Ronda via round 1 armbar.
 
Souza, Rousey, and Amagov: Relatively safe bets. Taking Souza in R1 against such low-level competition is easy money. Set at plus-money, too. Stoppage in Amagov fight is questionable, but, regardless, Amagov would have won. Rousey against anyone is a somewhat safe play. She is the only female fighter with enough athleticism and skill to be a 2012 fighter. All other female fighters, possibly even Cyborg, belong in 2002.

(And I had a risky play on Bowling over Saffiedine. As I thought: Competitive fight—but Saffiedine working out of Team Quest has proven to be an advantage over lesser fighters. In general, Saffiedine is unimpressive, but his chin seems decent, and he's a grinder.)
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Went 7-2 in picks last night,felt like a pretty easy card.Got the Lumumba wrong and picking Yamanaka.Laid off the bets.Thought Kaufmann would provide a tougher,longer fight then she did but still thought Ronda via round 1 armbar.
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identical picks. somehow my pickem didnt save.
 
So, it's finally confirmed that Frankie Edgar is moving down to Featherweight. Good for him. Maybe he'll actually be judged fairly now. A fight with Jose Aldo would be insane!
 
I was expecting Frankie to stay at 155. I don't think his chances of a title are any better at 145 and he would have an easier time not getting robbed against Bendo someday then beating Aldo, who will probably have the power to get a KO.

Frankie will beat 99.999% of people at 145 but unless Aldo moves up I think his chances of another belt are questionable, unfortunately.
 
Toughest fight of Aldo's career but the punching power difference could be...the difference! Frankie's chin and heart is unquestioned but he would have to box box box for 5 straight rounds without getting tagged cleanly with any knees, punches or kicks. Tough task.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Toughest fight of Aldo's career but the punching power difference could be...the difference! Frankie's chin and heart is unquestioned but he would have to box box box for 5 straight rounds without getting tagged cleanly with any knees, punches or kicks. Tough task.[/QUOTE]

Very tough task. Aldo is definitely a beast. I like both guys, but I wouldn't mind seeing a new champ in that weight class for a while.

Obviously I'm getting way ahead of myself here, though I do think Frankie will excel in his first 145 fight.
 
Nobody knows who Edgar will fight in his first fight at 145 but there are a few mid-level options in the division that Frankie would easily beat but could test him a little in his opening bouts at FW. Edgar is going to have an easy couple fights then a shot at Aldo though, moved along much like KenFlo I suspect (without the robberies that KenFlo won though).
 
So McKenzie called out Frankie on twitter. That fight would never happen because it is insulting to Edgar, but McKenzie must like getting knocked out if he wants to fish for a fight with Edgar. What does he think he can get a McKenzitine if Edgar shoots? Edgar wouldn't shoot...
 
McKenzie-Edgar would look similar to Mendes-McKenzie. Perhaps a round later, but Edgar would still finish him with strikes. McKenzie's stand-up is pretty awful, and he's a one-trick pony who keeps his chin up in the air.

I have nothing but love for Edgar—but Aldo will hurt him worse than Henderson. Edgar's "catch and counter" response to Henderson's kicks won't work with Aldo. I think Aldo has a good chance to finish Edgar. Now, Edgar could, and should, beat Cruz at 135. But, to be honest, I think Edgar should stay at 155. He has beat legit competition at the weight. Freakin' Dana White pushing his agenda.

And Anderson Silva has made public that he does not want to fight Chris Weidman and would prefer fights with, get this, Rich Franklin or, a considerably smaller, Georges St-Pierre. In addition, his management let out that Silva does not want to fight Jon Jones because Jones is too big. Some fucking champion. MMA cannot become a joke like boxing. There should be very little democracy in matchmaking.

Really now, St-Pierre is a much bigger draw than Silva. Sacrificing St-Pierre to Silva is stupid. Zuffa should use brute force and coerce Silva to fight Weidman—or any of the other contenders at 185. This has become a circus. Guy may be one of the best fighters on Earth, but, if he can't hang with title contenders, he should retire. He's holding hostage a very active division.
 
[quote name='Chase']And Anderson Silva has made public that he does not want to fight Chris Weidman and would prefer fights with, get this, Rich Franklin or, a considerably smaller, Georges St-Pierre. In addition, his management let out that Silva does not want to fight Jon Jones because Jones is too big. Some fucking champion. MMA cannot become a joke like boxing. There should be very little democracy in matchmaking.

Really now, St-Pierre is a much bigger draw than Silva. Sacrificing St-Pierre to Silva is stupid. Zuffa should use brute force and coerce Silva to fight Weidman—or any of the other contenders at 185. This has become a circus. Guy may be one of the best fighters on Earth, but, if he can't hang with title contenders, he should retire. He's holding hostage a very active division.[/QUOTE]

In all honesty, I feel like he's following the Fedor Emelianenko playbook. He's been given the title of #1 P4P fighter, and he's choosing his fights so he doesn't risk that. Eventually though, age is going to catch up with him and he's going to lose to someone that he didn't think he would.

If I'm Dana, I tell him if he wants to pick mediocre fights, he's going to get paid a mediocre salary and fight on a mediocre card (or the undercard for that matter). I'll even give him a pass on not wanting to fight Jon Jones...as the size difference IS a legitimate reason to turn down the fight (as it would be for GSP not wanting to fight Silva). But how the hell is he going to decide who the #1 contender in his own division is? That's ridiculous.
 
[quote name='Chase']McKenzie-Edgar would look similar to Mendes-McKenzie. Perhaps a round later, but Edgar would still finish him with strikes. McKenzie's stand-up is pretty awful, and he's a one-trick pony who keeps his chin up in the air.

I have nothing but love for Edgar—but Aldo will hurt him worse than Henderson. Edgar's "catch and counter" response to Henderson's kicks won't work with Aldo. I think Aldo has a good chance to finish Edgar. Now, Edgar could, and should, beat Cruz at 135. But, to be honest, I think Edgar should stay at 155. He has beat legit competition at the weight. Freakin' Dana White pushing his agenda.

And Anderson Silva has made public that he does not want to fight Chris Weidman and would prefer fights with, get this, Rich Franklin or, a considerably smaller, Georges St-Pierre. In addition, his management let out that Silva does not want to fight Jon Jones because Jones is too big. Some fucking champion. MMA cannot become a joke like boxing. There should be very little democracy in matchmaking.

Really now, St-Pierre is a much bigger draw than Silva. Sacrificing St-Pierre to Silva is stupid. Zuffa should use brute force and coerce Silva to fight Weidman—or any of the other contenders at 185. This has become a circus. Guy may be one of the best fighters on Earth, but, if he can't hang with title contenders, he should retire. He's holding hostage a very active division.[/QUOTE]

the weidman fight makes no money, thats why its not happening. ive heard numerous times that franklin is one of the few fighters that silva really respects, also. the gsp fight makes BIG money and supposedly is wanted by both guys. why not make it? why is the weidman fight the better option? gsp has to beat condit before thats an option.
 
I like your idea, Nate. Anderson Silva makes money for Zuffa but he's not a draw. Rashad Evans draws more than Anderson Silva. The only reason Silva-Sonnen 2 drew so big is because Chael Sonnen is the best marketer in MMA. I say freeze out Silva. Force him to fight competitive fights or sit out his contract. Heck, send the fucker to Strikeforce. Undoubtedly, he'd beat Luke Rockhold, but I'd love to see that fight happen.

If they can create hype for Okami-Silva and Cote-Silva, they can hype up Weidman-Silva. Weidman's inside elbow to Munoz is more impressive than anything Cote and Okami have ever done.

Who wants to see Anderson Silva beat the shit out of Rich Franklin three times in a row? Who? Well, outside of Anderson Silva. Silva also respects Jones—yet he's so afraid to fight Jones he's shitting himself silly and crying to Uncle Dana to get him easier fights. It's a damn shame Chael lost focus and let himself get beat by Silva twice after early dominate performances. Chael would fight anyone. Now, we're stuck with a really good fighter who's too afraid to fight anyone who'd be competitive.
 
I love Silva but wanting to fight Rich Franklin again? fuck out of here with that. These fighters need to quit picking and choosing. What happened to being told who your going to fight and agreeing to it? Silva knows Weidman is a very bad style match up for him. Weidman not only has great wrestling, but good submissions to go along with it. Thats the fight that makes the most sense for him at MW. Hes probably going to ask for the winner of Bisping-Stann or maybe even Belfort-Belcher.
 
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[quote name='Chase']I like your idea, Nate. Anderson Silva makes money for Zuffa but he's not a draw. Rashad Evans draws more than Anderson Silva. The only reason Silva-Sonnen 2 drew so big is because Chael Sonnen is the best marketer in MMA. I say freeze out Silva. Force him to fight competitive fights or sit out his contract. Heck, send the fucker to Strikeforce. Undoubtedly, he'd beat Luke Rockhold, but I'd love to see that fight happen.

If they can create hype for Okami-Silva and Cote-Silva, they can hype up Weidman-Silva. Weidman's inside elbow to Munoz is more impressive than anything Cote and Okami have ever done.

Who wants to see Anderson Silva beat the shit out of Rich Franklin three times in a row? Who? Well, outside of Anderson Silva. Silva also respects Jones—yet he's so afraid to fight Jones he's shitting himself silly and crying to Uncle Dana to get him easier fights. It's a damn shame Chael lost focus and let himself get beat by Silva twice after early dominate performances. Chael would fight anyone. Now, we're stuck with a really good fighter who's too afraid to fight anyone who'd be competitive.[/QUOTE]

so youre a psychologist with intimate details of silva's motivation? the jon jones fight is a stupid fight for silva and for almost every other fighter. the GSP fight makes BIG money, do you routinely turn down high paying job opportunities for lesser gigs?

the cote fight didnt sell, and if the okami card sold decently it had more to do with it being a big rio card loaded with brazilians than the main card drawing. Weidman silva wont draw until weidman has soem more high profile wins. silva has maybe a handful of fights left, he should be able to make as much money as possible not get stuck fighting 200k buy ppv type fights.

and chael losing focus is how he ALWAYS loses, every time, its as much a part of him as his wrestling is.
 
Franklin is my favorite fighter....if he ever fights Silva again I will rock back and forth on the floor like Mankind. I don't want to watch him get mutilated again.
 
I totally understand not wanting to fight Jon Jones, and he shouldn't have to. He should have to fight the top contender in his weight class though, whoever the UFC deems that to be.

I think a Silva-GSP fight would be great to see, I think Silva would win for sure. Also, I hate GSP, why is he such a draw? (I've only been watching for maybe 2 years, maybe GSP was actually fun to watch before then?)
 
I'm sure Chase and the CAG bettors would agree that any line that lists Silva at anything better than a -800 favorite vs Ace is generous. A real easy parlay bet. The first two matches were lopsided wins for Spider and since then the gap between the two fighters has actually become even wider.
 
[quote name='tylerh1701']I totally understand not wanting to fight Jon Jones, and he shouldn't have to. He should have to fight the top contender in his weight class though, whoever the UFC deems that to be.

I think a Silva-GSP fight would be great to see, I think Silva would win for sure. Also, I hate GSP, why is he such a draw? (I've only been watching for maybe 2 years, maybe GSP was actually fun to watch before then?)[/QUOTE]


He was
 
I have nothing but love for St-Pierre. He dominates every fighter he fights. For a dude with perhaps a little mental fragility, he is able to stick to a plan and succeed. He is a very smart fighter with a lot of talent. Easily one of the best fighters on Earth—though behind Jones and Silva.

[quote name='ced']I'm sure Chase and the CAG bettors would agree that any line that lists Silva at anything better than a -800 favorite vs Ace is generous. A real easy parlay bet. The first two matches were lopsided wins for Spider and since then the gap between the two fighters has actually become even wider.[/QUOTE]


The last Strikeforce saw Ovince St-Preux at -800 against TJ Cook. Cook put a few good punches on St-Preux's head in R1. But yes, I was almost ready to bet against St-Preux on principle as he's far from a -800 fighter. Anderson Silva, though, is the best fighter on Earth—if you remove Jon Jones from the equation. -500 would be pretty generous. Lay 5000 to win 1000 seems pretty good for Silva against Franklin. I expect the oddsmakers to have him pretty high. Maybe a tennis-esque -1000. Any way you slice it, betting on Silva is free money.

Oh and hey: Rumor around town is that Dan Henderson is in a knee brace and out of his title fight with Jon Jones. Some 2012, huh? Yeesh!
 
Silva would be at least, AT LEAST, -800, considering Rousey was around -600 at some point and Michael Chandler was like -1100 in his last fight. I highly doubt that fight would even happen anyway, nobody has interest in seeing Jim Carrey get murdered again.

P.S. Hendo with a knee brace and out of the fight? Haven't heard those rumors yet personally but it wouldn't shock me considering the rash of injuries hitting all these 2012 cards and Hendo's old age.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Silva would be at least, AT LEAST, -800, considering Rousey was around -600 at some point and Michael Chandler was like -1100 in his last fight. I highly doubt that fight would even happen anyway, nobody has interest in seeing Jim Carrey get murdered again.

P.S. Hendo with a knee brace and out of the fight? Haven't heard those rumors yet personally but it wouldn't shock me considering the rash of injuries hitting all these 2012 cards and Hendo's old age.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you might be right Krak. Dana to hold a press conference in a few hours regarding 151. Can't be good news.
 
Well its official, Dan Henderson is out and the whole event is now canceled. Jon Jones will face Lyoto Machida at UFC 152. Dana White said Chael Sonnen agreed to step in on short notice but Dana said Jones told him 'I'm not fighting Chael Sonnen on eight days notice."
 
Well, that doesn't come as a shock when I saw some of the tweets floating around the place. Interesting development, but I wonder...how can you cancel 151 entirely but put on a 152 show? So does that mean there will be a missing show in history? UFC 150 - UFC 152...
 
Sounds like Dana is Blasting off on Jon Jones for not taking on Chael as a replacement for Hendo and keep the card alive on September 1st.

But if im JJ i dont take that fight as well!. You basically got 7 days to prepare for a brand new fight with Chael. He has everything to loose. While Chael goes from one title fight to another in a different weight class?.

Jones to fight Machida on September 22nd. UFC 152 is now the new UFC 151.

As a fan, im not that mad. That 151 card was pretty weak anyway, merge some of the better fights on to the new 151 on the 22nd. (which now has 2 title fights Jones/Machida , Benavidez vs Johnson)
 
[quote name='Viol8tor']Sounds like Dana is Blasting off on Jon Jones for not taking on Chael as a replacement for Hendo and keep the card alive on September 1st.

But if im JJ i dont take that fight as well!. You basically got 7 days to prepare for a brand new fight with Chael. He has everything to loose. While Chael goes from one title fight to another in a different weight class?.

Jones to fight Machida on September 22nd. UFC 152 is now the new UFC 151.

As a fan, im not that mad. That 151 card was pretty weak anyway, merge some of the better fights on to the new 151 on the 22nd. (which now has 2 title fights Jones/Machida , Benavidez vs Johnson)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, whether he likes it or not, Dana has to acknowledge that that's an unfair expectation for the champion. I already feel like Jones has been overused because of the injuries to GSP and Anderson Silva. I know Dana's plan was to do more and more cards, but this year has just been a trainwreck for injuries. What the UFC needs to do is start promoting its mid tier fighters to be big names, so when these injuries happen they don't have to cancel an entire card because nobody cares about the other fights. They can't just get through a calendar year with Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, and GSP.

I guess part of the problem is that since season one of the Ultimate Fighter, they really haven't had that many fighters catch on...and the guys who have are douchebags that nobody likes, lol (Rashad Evans, Nate Diaz, etc). As loaded as the Lightweight division is with talent and personalities (Guida, Pettis, Cerrone, Guillard, etc), there's no reason any number of those guys couldn't headline a card. But it's going to take a little effort to build up those names and get people excited about their fights. You'd think this would be an obvious idea for the UFC because then, when your serious big money fighters are healthy and able to compete, it makes your cards look even more stacked.

Also...this would be a great motivation to start having female fights on your cards. If Strikeforce is able to pull good numbers with females (well...really, Ronda) headlining, I think the world is ready for women's MMA. Dana really just needs to start thinking outside the box. He's getting a little set in his ways in his old age, lol.
 
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