You went the direct route, I like getting the 2 other red chests that are in the canyon before going to 9 Toes, woulda had more guns and exp by the time we got to the boss. I did however get screwed out of exp for those 9 levels, which is no big deal whatsoever, I'll just run through it quick and get a decent set up. I didn't like having to compete that much with you for good items, anything I get good though is pretty much yours. I just need to find some elementals for that Siren.Langdon - Mad & I played some the other night....started with fresh characters and it about an hour we killed 3 Balls....er, 9 Toes then I had to call it quits. I did bump that character up to about level 9 last night. Feel free to PM Mad or I if we are playing. However, we can only get 4 in on Borderlands. Mad - I am changing how I play my sniper now by the way...that was a horrible death on my part. I like my flaming repeater better.