MODS PLEASE LOCK - The Wii VC Games - Volume 1

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[quote name='mykevermin']There is on Castlevania IV, but it's been so long since I played the game I don't know if it's "classic" or "modern" slowdown. I'd like to think it's the former.[/QUOTE]

It's classic slowdown. There's a lot of slowdown Castlevania IV which is annoying. you'd think that Nintendo could fix some of these games, but the $8 of pure profit for Nintendo and Konami is too sparse obviously to fix the freaking thing.
 
[quote name='furyk']It's classic slowdown. There's a lot of slowdown Castlevania IV which is annoying. you'd think that Nintendo could fix some of these games, but the $8 of pure profit for Nintendo and Konami is too sparse obviously to fix the freaking thing.[/quote]
Apparently, only our version has slowdown. The Japanese version of Castlevania IV doesn't, and has a bunch of blood pools and what not as well.
 
[quote name='yukine']Hmm... another disappointing VC Monday. I guess there is always next week.[/quote]

That's what I said last week...

Oh well, Nintendo can do as they wish... I feel like this isn't the greatest business move on their part, though. Someone had said if the released more games people would probably buy more... and I feel like he;s probably right. I dunno WHY... but for some reason, the sparse releases are making me hoard my 2000 points... I think if there'd been more great stuff out, I would have gone on a crazy VC shopping spree by now...
 
[quote name='PleasantOne']That's what I said last week...

Oh well, Nintendo can do as they wish... I feel like this isn't the greatest business move on their part, though. Someone had said if the released more games people would probably buy more... and I feel like he;s probably right. I dunno WHY... but for some reason, the sparse releases are making me hoard my 2000 points... I think if there'd been more great stuff out, I would have gone on a crazy VC shopping spree by now...[/quote]

If Nintendo was putting out the games they know we want, you'd have already blown through those 2000 points and probably another 3000 points on top of that.
 
I got Soldier Blade because I wanted a VC game. It is pretty good for a schump. Personally, I probably would of never bought it if Nintendo released something good from their library because I am not a big schump fan, but it was there and there was nothing else.
 
[quote name='yukine']If Nintendo was putting out the games they know we want, you'd have already blown through those 2000 points and probably another 3000 points on top of that.[/QUOTE]
...and not saved $ for Wario Ware in the process.

I hope they save the big releases for the weeks that Ubisoft's horseshit ports are released, as they would be sweet medicine that makes Ubi's classless exploitation and laziness an easier pill to swallow.
 
[quote name='PleasantOne']...but for some reason, the sparse releases are making me hoard my 2000 points... I think if there'd been more great stuff out, I would have gone on a crazy VC shopping spree by now...[/QUOTE]

2000 points? I've got 8700 in my account with another 2000 point card on stand by, and I've already chunked in about 4300ish on games. I'm banking hard on a gold rush during the spring/summer.

But these past two weeks? Derf... what a shameful showing for the VC.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...and not saved $ for Wario Ware in the process.

I hope they save the big releases for the weeks that Ubisoft's horseshit ports are released, as they would be sweet medicine that makes Ubi's classless exploitation and laziness an easier pill to swallow.[/QUOTE]

There's definitely a question of whether or not spending on the VC substitutes (and does not add) to that on retail DVD games. It's not really obvious either way. I tend to think they're not full substitutes, though, because of the VC's impulse nature. It's far too easy to just add points, have left over ones that you want/need to add to, and the low prices invite reckless buying.

It's not a perfect comparison, but think about how easy it is to pick up Sonic at $8 vs. the whole collection for $20. I don't think people always think of them as perfect substitutes.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I got Soldier Blade because I wanted a VC game. It is pretty good for a schump. Personally, I probably would of never bought it if Nintendo released something good from their library because I am not a big schump fan, but it was there and there was nothing else.[/QUOTE]

And, of course, this validates Nintendo's trickle-'em-out strategy :lol: (boosting the 3rd parties and some of Nintendo's 'lesser' titles). I feel the same way, though - except so far I've held off, but I've been very tempted a few times. I've purposely passed up buying more Points cards because I didn't want to have the points ready and waiting for an impulse buy. I have 500 in there now and thought, for a minute, about getting Gradius. But I can wait... and wait...
 
[quote name='AHEADAMUS']There's definitely a question of whether or not spending on the VC substitutes (and does not add) to that on retail DVD games. It's not really obvious either way. I tend to think they're not full substitutes, though, because of the VC's impulse nature. It's far too easy to just add points, have left over ones that you want/need to add to, and the low prices invite reckless buying.

It's not a perfect comparison, but think about how easy it is to pick up Sonic at $8 vs. the whole collection for $20. I don't think people always think of them as perfect substitutes.[/QUOTE]

Unless we, as consumers, have access to sales data for VC, XBLA, or the PS Network, we'll have nothing but assumptions to make. You make some good points, and as someone who likes to analyze numbers, it's infuriating that I can't make any claims about digital delivery services, their sales trends over time, and their potential impact on "hard" software sales.

I will slightly disagree that these are "impulse" purchases, however. For some, certainly. Don't mistake "convenience" with "impulse." There are a number of people who are planning their purchases (someone mentioned buying Castlevania IV if "nothing good" came out today) in advance, or anticipating nostalgic titles to them, etc. An impulse purchase-based market wouldn't have people shitting their pants about Pinball and Urban Champion, and demanding Super Mario World or Ocarina of Time.

I'm not suggesting there isn't impulse purchasing going on, but that some people's tales here suggest that isn't the case. Take Scobie's "Daddy Warbucks" VC account, mentioned above, for instance. In addition, I have three titles and 5400 points I'm sitting on, and I'm not using them until I really want something, rather than buying Gradius for the hell of it.

[quote name='Scobie']Derf[/QUOTE]

The only ever person on this planet who I have known to say "derf" was probably the coolest person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing in my life. I hope you can live up to those high standards.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Take Scobie's "Daddy Warbucks" VC account, mentioned above, for instance.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha! I got a modest deal on 'em, I swear! :D

[quote name='mykevermin']The only ever person on this planet who I have known to say "derf" was probably the coolest person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing in my life. I hope you can live up to those high standards.[/QUOTE]

Myke, I've come to love you like a brother, but I hate to live under the crushing weight of expectations, so I'll crap it up with a link to a snippet of Bea Arthur performing "What Can You Get A Nudist For Her Birthday?"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00005YTRL001004/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_004/102-7345360-6367308
 
"Via press release, Sega has announced the upcoming release of five new Virtual Console games for Wii expected sometime in the first quarter of this year. New Genesis titles hitting the emulation service include Streets of Rage, Bio-Hazard Battle, Gain Ground , Comix Zone and Bonanza Bros.

Though we'd assume all five games would cost the precedented 800 Wii Points ($8), the press release reads "prices to start at 800 Wii Points," leaving open the possibility that Sega could follow Hudson's lead of increasing VC prices. That would be weak sauce, as they say."


http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/08/sega-announces-five-new-vc-genesis-games/
 
[quote name='gunm']I'm still undecided about Star Soldier or Soldier Blade. Any suggestion on one or the other?[/quote]I think Soldier Blade is a sequal to Super Star Soldier, because on the Wii page is says another game in the Soldier series. I have Soldier Blade and I am enjoying it although I am getting my ass handed to me in level 2, haven't played Super Star Soldier though.
 
[quote name='gunm']I'm still undecided about Star Soldier or Soldier Blade. Any suggestion on one or the other?[/QUOTE]

I would also like to hear thoughts on this one...or two, I suppose.

RD
 
If nothing else, the past two pages seem to show that Nintendo needs to offer demos of these titles. Especially the TG16 games, which few have ever played.
 
I really dont care, I got some mastercard gift card with 100 bucks on it from my boss, and I spent it all on wii points, I'm just about to start up dungeon explorer. but I think I've got like 13 titles already, haha.
 
I'll put it this way...it is NOT gauntlet. Not as GOOD as gauntlet, and not as FUN as gauntlet. But apparently the only multiplayer games on VC right now are TG16 games so if you're desperate, knock yourself out.

But do not believe comparisons that suggest it is as good as a game like gauntlet...

Now if only they would bring Dracula X to the VC...now THAT was a good TG16 game...
 
Sega's new game announcements make me so happy! Comix Zone, Streets of Rage, and best of all, BONANZA BROS.!!!

This is awesome news, Comix Zone and Bonanza Bros. I was worried about, being uncertain of their popularity. And knowing Vectorman is inevitable and Kid Chameleon is probably coming since it's out in Japan, I can honestly say Sega has me most excited right now. Of course, the concept of having all those great SNES games is mouthwatering, but Sega is actually giving me the games I want.
 
[quote name='supershammy']Sega's new game announcements make me so happy! Comix Zone, Streets of Rage, and best of all, BONANZA BROS.!!!

This is awesome news, Comix Zone and Bonanza Bros. I was worried about, being uncertain of their popularity. And knowing Vectorman is inevitable and Kid Chameleon is probably coming since it's out in Japan, I can honestly say Sega has me most excited right now. Of course, the concept of having all those great SNES games is mouthwatering, but Sega is actually giving me the games I want.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the games are listed as "starting at 8 dollars", which basically means that they could charge you 10 bucks for Comix Zone.
 
[quote name='Arkay Firestar']I'll put it this way...it is NOT gauntlet. Not as GOOD as gauntlet, and not as FUN as gauntlet. But apparently the only multiplayer games on VC right now are TG16 games so if you're desperate, knock yourself out.

But do not believe comparisons that suggest it is as good as a game like gauntlet...

Now if only they would bring Dracula X to the VC...now THAT was a good TG16 game...[/quote]

I agree although I never played it but want to badly, but chances are if they somehow in hell do release it it will be atleast 800 wii points because they did it to fucking r-type.
 
[quote name='Arkay Firestar']I'll put it this way...it is NOT gauntlet. Not as GOOD as gauntlet, and not as FUN as gauntlet. But apparently the only multiplayer games on VC right now are TG16 games so if you're desperate, knock yourself out.

But do not believe comparisons that suggest it is as good as a game like gauntlet...

Now if only they would bring Dracula X to the VC...now THAT was a good TG16 game...[/quote]

Word. It was only $6 though and it will keep me entertained next weekend.
 
I hope they give a date for Streets of Rage, so i can write it on my fucking calendar.

I can't fucking wait, that game made me longgg for a Genesis as a kid. In fact, the only reason I visited my uncle really, was to play Streets of Rage (and Sonic, occasionally).

And for the record, while I hesitate on certain games at certain price points... Streets of Rage I would be WILLING to pay 10$ for... as opposed to the 8$ they're asking.
 
[quote name='varsitygamer']I hope they give a date for Streets of Rage, so i can write it on my fucking calendar.

I can't fucking wait, that game made me longgg for a Genesis as a kid. In fact, the only reason I visited my uncle really, was to play Streets of Rage (and Sonic, occasionally).

And for the record, while I hesitate on certain games at certain price points... Streets of Rage I would be WILLING to pay 10$ for... as opposed to the 8$ they're asking.[/quote]

I will love the damn game but $10 for the original, I would have to think there, that is N64 range and this is the first game... Yeah I want a street date to so I can put it on my Wii countdown on my PC.
 
[quote name='supershammy']Sega's new game announcements make me so happy! Comix Zone, Streets of Rage, and best of all, BONANZA BROS.!!!

This is awesome news, Comix Zone and Bonanza Bros. I was worried about, being uncertain of their popularity. And knowing Vectorman is inevitable and Kid Chameleon is probably coming since it's out in Japan, I can honestly say Sega has me most excited right now. Of course, the concept of having all those great SNES games is mouthwatering, but Sega is actually giving me the games I want.[/QUOTE]

I take it you don't have access to a PS2 to play Sega Genesis Collection, which is $20 and has both Comix Zone and Bananza Bros. -- along with about 20 other Genesis classics?
 
[quote name='dallow']If they added demos, people wouldn't buy most of these games.[/QUOTE]


QFT.

Sad, but true. Sadly most of the games I've been downloading have been TG16 games since I never had one and these are all new to me. Bomberman 93 is pretty sweet, but everything else.. meh. Not that they suck.. it's just, meh.
 
[quote name='varsitygamer']
Streets of Rage I would be WILLING to pay 10$ for... as opposed to the 8$ they're asking.[/quote]

Hey who's side are you on? ;)

I love the Streets of Rage series as well and incidentally I would have to purchase this because Sega didn't put it on their awesome Genesis Collection (damn you Sega & your Nintendo tendencies).

$8 please
 
[quote name='Arkay Firestar']Yeah but the games are listed as "starting at 8 dollars", which basically means that they could charge you 10 bucks for Comix Zone.[/quote]That's how the VC pricing structure works, it's not some new notice for these 5 games. All Genesis games "start at" $8. Luckily so far R-Type for TG-16 (800 instead of 600) is the only game that's taken advantage of that wording.
 
European Q1 VC releases:

http://gonintendo.com/?p=11410

The Virtual Console games that will be added to the Wii Shop Channel in Q1 include 20 Nintendo titles, 7 Turbografx (PC Engine) games and 9 classic SEGA MEGA DRIVE games.
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Fans of Nintendo’s classic titles will be delighted by games from the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES), Super Nintendo (SNES) and Nintendo 64 (N64), including Mario Kart 64, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Street Fighter II: World Warrior (CAPCOM), Super Probotector and the hugely popular Super Mario World.

SEGA is treating its fans with the release of a host of popular games including Streets of Rage, Bio-Hazard Battle, Bonanza Bros. and Comix Zone. Hudson will also be entertaining gamers with a selection of its best titles from Turbografx (PC Engine) including Soldier Blade, Double Dungeons and New Adventure Island.
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I think our releases have aligned a lot more with Europe than Japan, so hopefully Mario Kart 64, SMW, and OoT will find their way out.
 
Oh and another nice thing that they mentioned over at IGN regarding the Q1 releases in Europe..

Alongside the games, Nintendo's still hoping to roll out plans to include Wii Points in the Stars Catalogue on its European website, as previously reported. Each time you buy a Nintendo product (including Virtual Console games), you'll receive stars that can be exchanged for Wii Points.
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bastards.
 
[quote name='dallow']If they added demos, people wouldn't buy most of these games.[/quote]I agree but I would like to see a little preview of the game or video of it in action, seeing two screenshots don't help me but seeing some gameplay will, I would be a lot more into the TG-16 games if I had a preview first.
 
[quote name='varsitygamer']I hope they give a date for Streets of Rage, so i can write it on my fucking calendar.

I can't fucking wait, that game made me longgg for a Genesis as a kid. In fact, the only reason I visited my uncle really, was to play Streets of Rage (and Sonic, occasionally).

And for the record, while I hesitate on certain games at certain price points... Streets of Rage I would be WILLING to pay 10$ for... as opposed to the 8$ they're asking.[/quote] The boss music for Streets of Rage was AMAZING!
 
[quote name='Roufuss']In case anyone is wondering what Super Probotector is in Botticus's European report, it is Contra 3.[/quote]Nice if only we could get that along with streets of rage, what a happy Q1 that would be.
 
Oh my fuck! Gain Ground - did I see that? That was one of my favorite genesis games. You sorta collected/rescued all these little fighter guys. Some had melee abilities some had ranged and you would go through each level choosing the most appropriate one and rescue some on the way through the level. Man it was awesome.

*edit* wikipedia info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain_Ground

Streets of rage was pretty cool. Now - there was this - I think it was top down like Gain Ground - but it was in dungeons and you could play multiplayer and you had spells and shit you would cast?? Boy doesn't that sound generic - anyway it was on genesis also and I remember it as being pretty fun too.
 
[quote name='bordjon']Oh my fuck! Gain Ground - did I see that? That was one of my favorite genesis games. You sorta collected/rescued all these little fighter guys. Some had melee abilities some had ranged and you would go through each level choosing the most appropriate one and rescue some on the way through the level. Man it was awesome.

*edit* wikipedia info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gain_Ground

Streets of rage was pretty cool. Now - there was this - I think it was top down like Gain Ground - but it was in dungeons and you could play multiplayer and you had spells and shit you would cast?? Boy doesn't that sound generic - anyway it was on genesis also and I remember it as being pretty fun too.[/quote]

If im not mistaken Gain Ground is on the Sega Genesis Collection for PS2. I played it a couple weeks ago. It was damn near unplayable the controls were so bad.
 
[quote name='ViolentLee']I take it you don't have access to a PS2 to play Sega Genesis Collection, which is $20 and has both Comix Zone and Bananza Bros. -- along with about 20 other Genesis classics?[/quote]

No, I do not, hence my excitement.

Maybe I ought to get a PS2 so I can own all the shitty collections I get me ear chattered off about every time a good new game is released on the VC!
 
[quote name='schuerm26']If im not mistaken Gain Ground is on the Sega Genesis Collection for PS2. I played it a couple weeks ago. It was damn near unplayable the controls were so bad.[/QUOTE]


yeah - hearing about gain ground got me looking. Looks like there is a sega collection tv game thingie that plugs directly into the tv that has gain ground - and an original style genesis controller. I may wait and see how the controls are for the wii and see if I wanna get the vc version or the plug-into-the-tv version.
 
[quote name='lilboo']QFT.

Sad, but true. Sadly most of the games I've been downloading have been TG16 games since I never had one and these are all new to me. Bomberman 93 is pretty sweet, but everything else.. meh. Not that they suck.. it's just, meh.[/quote]
Exactly, they're all, meh. I can take 'em or leave 'em.
It's going to be that way for most of the back catalogue of games.
Great when they were first out, because it was all new.
But now, they really show their age.

I just bought Capcom Classics Collection V.2 for $10.
20 classic games, and I played each of them for less than 5 mins.
Now I feel ripped off. Haha.
Gosh, I can't even imagine paying for some of these VC games.

Very few still stand up in the face of all these fancy polygons.

SIDENOTE:

For the longest time, I thought QFT mean quit f'ing trolling.
So I had to laugh when first seeing this.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']If im not mistaken Gain Ground is on the Sega Genesis Collection for PS2. I played it a couple weeks ago. It was damn near unplayable the controls were so bad.[/quote]Gain Ground is on the... oh fuck (just checked and gain ground, bonanza bros, uh yeah all the q1 releases are there except for Streets of Rage if I am not mistaken, now I want the collection badly because I never played alot of those games). This really pisses me off because sega is going to charge 800 Wii points when there is a collection for $20. The only problem is my PS2 is at home while my Wii will be at college, fuck you sega. Oh and since we are on the sega rant, any chance of Sonic CD coming to the VC? I am not buying the second sonic collection just for that game.
 
[quote name='yukine']I know I'm a bit late about this, but the Virtual Console/Playstation Online... thing, just got owned:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163993.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6163993

:cry:[/quote]

No, the playstation just got owned. Konami can still release Rondo of Blood, or Dracula X for the VC, and Nintendo has alot of awesome games. Right now that is some major ownage, but in due time well... Now I know this should be in the X-box board, but do I need to upgrade to x-box live gold to download SOTN because the 360 is not in a room with internet access and the Wifi doesn't reach without the purchase of a new router. I don't really want to pay $50 plus the cost of SOTN to play that damn game when I will only use gold once which will require me moving the 360 to the room with the internet to download it and then back to my dads bedroom since he bought the damn thing.

Back to Nintendo's VC, I am really glad I downloaded Soldier Blade. Granted I still can't get past the second level because I suck (I must of put about 1-2 hours and still no luck, lol). If there is more quality stuff like this to the VC to replace Nintendo games, I am all for it but they need something to let me know if a game rocks or not, online reviews just don't do it except the one review site http://www.meanmachinesmag.co.uk/wii/available_now.php which still doesn't give me enough info.
 
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