MODS PLEASE LOCK - The Wii VC Games - Volume 1

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So about Mario Kart 64...

It's one of the best games ever. However, I still have my N64 and the game along with four controllers. Here are my questions about the Virtual Console version:

1. How much sharper is it? Is it similar to Super Mario 64 on the VC versus N64?
2. Does it handle well on the different controllers?
3. Any new features/bonuses/additions?

And the big one...

4. Did they fix the slow down and lack of music during four-player splitscreen? I know Super Mario 64 on the VC got rid of slowdown (for example, the pyramid top exploding), so I'm wondering if MK64 is better now. That was always something that really bugged me, but if they fixed it, I'd easily plop down 1000 points for this.
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']1. How much sharper is it? Is it similar to Super Mario 64 on the VC versus N64?
2. Does it handle well on the different controllers?
3. Any new features/bonuses/additions?

And the big one...

4. Did they fix the slow down and lack of music during four-player splitscreen? I know Super Mario 64 on the VC got rid of slowdown (for example, the pyramid top exploding), so I'm wondering if MK64 is better now. That was always something that really bugged me, but if they fixed it, I'd easily plop down 1000 points for this.[/quote]

1. I don't think I can give an estimate. It looks nice. I haven't really seen SM64 to compare it with.
2. I used the GC controller and it was working great. I had no problems using it and it felt good.
3. Don't think there's any added content. The one thing I mentioned is that you can turn the BGM down with the 'Z' button on the GC controller, which I don't remember in the N64 version. And you can't save ghost data on this one, so that's a little disappointing.
4. I asked earlier and haven't heard from anyone. I was hoping somebody with four GC sitting around would try it already! I want to know the same thing, but I only have one Wavebird here with me.
 
[quote name='sails']New games coming in February (according to the March 2007 issue of Nintendo Power in the Wii Channel listing - being listed here means they will be out by March):

Donkey Kong Country (SNES, 800 pts)
Gain Ground (Genesis, 800 pts)
Streets of Rage (Genesis, 800 pts)
Super Mario Bros (NES, 500 pts)
Super Mario World (SNES, 800 pts)[/QUOTE]

the only one i want will be SMW. ah well. id rather wait for streets of rage 2. and even though i owned and beat DKC more than once, i think im content not playing it again.
 
Unfortunately the lack of ghost data kept me from buying MK64.

I hope they fix that at some point. IMO it's a fun and important feature.
 
I think I like DoubleDash better. IT's the first MK game I played so that may explain, but it seems livelier. And the graphics are much sharper and crisper.
 
He seems to think that the original has, in fact, aged better. While I haven't played the original in quite a while, you can definitely say that applies to a lot of other games. In many ways, simpler NES and SNES games hold up better than those first 3D games. I'm thinking of Donkey Kong Country, Sonic... We probably won't see as much dramatic aging with Cube titles as with N64 ones because 3D was pretty refined by that point.
 
[quote name='AHEADAMUS']He seems to think that the original has, in fact, aged better. While I haven't played the original in quite a while, you can definitely say that applies to a lot of other games. In many ways, simpler NES and SNES games hold up better than those first 3D games. I'm thinking of Donkey Kong Country, Sonic... We probably won't see as much dramatic aging with Cube titles as with N64 ones because 3D was pretty refined by that point.[/quote]
Exactly, the SNES version of Mario Kart has aged terribly in my opinion, despite it being one of my favorite Mario Karts. It's almost unplayable now.

I understand that typically 2d games age a lot better than the 3d iterations. But in regards to Super Mario Kart and Mario kart 64, it's not so.
 
[quote name='AHEADAMUS']He seems to think that the original has, in fact, aged better. While I haven't played the original in quite a while, you can definitely say that applies to a lot of other games. In many ways, simpler NES and SNES games hold up better than those first 3D games. I'm thinking of Donkey Kong Country, Sonic... We probably won't see as much dramatic aging with Cube titles as with N64 ones because 3D was pretty refined by that point.[/QUOTE]


I was thinking the same thing. Those first 3d games are a bit fugly. Nintendo's might hold up the best because of their fairly clean presentation, but still the first 3d games are like the first 2d games aka ATario 2600 games. Ok not that bad, but still play DoubleDash after you play MK64 and it's night and day difference in presentation.

2d games? I had an easier time with Super Mario Bros graphics than with MK64 graphics.
 
[quote name='yukine']Exactly, the SNES version of Mario Kart has aged terribly in my opinion, despite it being one of my favorite Mario Karts. It's almost unplayable now.[/QUOTE]
I've always thought the original aged better than the 64 version, at least graphically. The 2D sprites trying to pose as 3D models look pretty crummy nowadays, especially when the DS version had full 3D carts using the same graphical style.

People have always had very different opinions on which Mario Kart game is the best... I've always thought that the recent iterations were a huge improvement over MK64. The original was different enough that it's not completely outclassed by Double Dash and MK:DS.
 
I don't know if I agree with the review. Back then this game was the coolest thing in the world, but now the kart handling is terrible IMO. However, I don't think that warrants a 6.2...
 
Personally, I think Mario Kart 64 has aged surprisingly well. I swallowed hard as I hit "download" figuring that all my wonderful highschool memories of the game would be dashed to pieces for the low-low price of $10. But, that wasn't the case at all.

Just about everything in the formula was done better by DS, but 64 still handles well, and if you're anything like me, many hours with DS means you're doing better at 64 than you ever used to. The tendency to oversteer is greater in 64, but it only takes a race or two to compensate for that.
 
[quote name='yukine']Gamespot's Alex Navarro isn't too impressed with Mario Kart 64: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/driving...&sid=6165002&part=rss&tag=gs_wii&subj=6165002

I don't get how you can say Mario Kart 64 hasn't aged well, and not the SNES version?[/QUOTE]
One of the author's aging issues is that the simpler control of SMK holds up over time better than the powerslides of MK64, which pale next to the more responsive slides of the latest MKs.

I think the author's play control issues with MK64 are understandable if you spend a lot of time with the MK series. I know that a lot of people have had fun with MK64's 4P mode (myself included), but if these folks could separate that experience from the play mechanics and simply race in the game for a while, I think they'd see that the ability to hop is not the indicator of tight play control that they assumed.

I disagree with the idea that track length can be directly correlated to difficulty, however. It's all in the AI. Shortening tracks is only a way to curb poor AI, so that CPUs don't have the time to fall as far behind as they would on a longer track. The better solution, for the sake of game quality, is to have more competitive CPUs no matter the length of the race.
 
It always seemed to me that MK64 took more skill to win. You always had an opponent right behind you, and they were always trying to get past.

I'm glad I downloaded it and LTTP, both are giving me lots of fun til the next Wii game comes out.
 
[quote name='OzCatter']It always seemed to me that MK64 took more skill to win. You always had an opponent right behind you, and they were always trying to get past.

[/QUOTE]

Exactly. You generally couldn't run away with the race because of this. Add to that the item distribution where the people further behind get better stuff, added to the challenge.
 
[quote name='Corvin']Exactly. You generally couldn't run away with the race because of this. Add to that the item distribution where the people further behind get better stuff, added to the challenge.[/QUOTE]

The item distribution system isn't exactly new or exclusive to the 64 version though.
 
[quote name='suko_32']The item distribution system isn't exactly new or exclusive to the 64 version though.[/QUOTE]

Of course, but it was definitely a bigger advantage in this game. You could almost guarantee a lightning bolt or two on the last lap.
 
I haven't downloaded MK64 but I think Super Mario 64 looks just as impressive, if not more, as it ever did. Moreso than a lot of new games, especially when you take the control/gameplay/design into consideration.
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']What the fuck is wrong with MK64?! I can't believe gamespots original review was so low.[/QUOTE]
gamespot is the least reputable review site in the world (IMO). They gave Double Dash a 7.9 and the game wash definately in the 9 category. They are biased towards the mature games and have never been fond of Nintendo.

I honestly could care less if the website shut down and the reviewers were all burnt alive in a grease fire...(can I say that?)
 
[quote name='maigoyume']anyone here think its better value to buy Zelda LotP four swords for the GBA than the VC version of LotP?[/quote]If you plan on playing Four Swords, sure. Otherwise, it depends on if you want it on your GBA or on Wii.
 
[quote name='tayaf69']gamespot is the least reputable review site in the world (IMO). They gave Double Dash a 7.9 and the game wash definately in the 9 category. They are biased towards the mature games and have never been fond of Nintendo.

I honestly could care less if the website shut down and the reviewers were all burnt alive in a grease fire...(can I say that?)[/QUOTE]

IGN gave it a 7.9!
 
despite those low reviews, it beats the shit out of buying the cartridge itself, and having to unhook, connect, and all that shit with the 64, the game is FINE, I dont understand why a 10 yr old system's graphics matter THAT much, it's an old game, jesus fucking christ.


the only thing I dont remember, is the handling is super sharp with the thumbstick... but that doesnt ruin it for me, I love the game to death :D
 
[quote name='tayaf69']gamespot is the least reputable review site in the world (IMO). They gave Double Dash a 7.9 and the game wash definately in the 9 category. They are biased towards the mature games and have never been fond of Nintendo.

I honestly could care less if the website shut down and the reviewers were all burnt alive in a grease fire...(can I say that?)[/quote]
And all because they have a different opinion than you. :lol:
 
My friend bought Mario Kart (I was going to but contra showed up), with 4 players it rules. Oh how I missed Rainbow Road. I will buy the game in march after I buy DKC, Streets of Rage, Warioware (I played it for 5 mins, now I need more...), and Sonic (if it is that damn good).
 
[quote name='tayaf69']gamespot is the least reputable review site in the world (IMO). They gave Double Dash a 7.9 and the game wash definately in the 9 category. They are biased towards the mature games and have never been fond of Nintendo.

I honestly could care less if the website shut down and the reviewers were all burnt alive in a grease fire...(can I say that?)[/QUOTE]

Oh come on... I did disagree with GameSpot's review of Double Dash and I might even identify myself as a Nintendo fanboy, too. But take a look at all the games that GameSpot has ever rated in the 9.7 to 10.0 range: 6 out of 16 are Nintendo games! I also think that you might be undervaluing a 7.9 score. Sometimes I really wish that GameSpot had added a miniscule 0.1 to that score just so Mario Kart fanatics would see a solid 8.0 and be less likely to gripe. I don't know how many times I've had to hear about "7.9" over the past few years...
 
[quote name='rapsodist']I also think that you might be undervaluing a 7.9 score.[/QUOTE]

... and over-valuing MK: DD... it was good, but lacked that certain something that MK: DS has in spades.
 
[quote name='Scobie']... and over-valuing MK: DD... it was good, but lacked that certain something that MK: DS has in spades.[/quote]

I find it hilarious how varied the opinions on the Mario Kart series are.

I thought 64 was the best by far, and I just couldn't get into Mario Kart DS. Double Dash was ok, but had nothing that made me come back for more after it was complete.
 
maybe I've been under a large rock with all of my friends, but I was always under the impression that Mario Kart 64 was one of the greatest games ever. Not simply by opinion, but by everything I've heard about it. I don't know, it could just be people getting excited due to nastalgia, but I still have it hooked up to my TV, and I still play it regularly.

Sure graphics are nice. I have played Gears of War online for 4 hours straight the other day. But even being a first generation 3d game, Mario Kart 64 still has colorful, cartoony graphics that look good to me today. And ya, it is my opinion that gamespot's reviews suck (as I believe I stated), but no one can argue the majority of the gamespot reviewers were very negative about the nintendo Wii during the release.
 
[quote name='tayaf69']And ya, it is my opinion that gamespot's reviews suck (as I believe I stated), but no one can argue the majority of the gamespot reviewers were very negative about the nintendo Wii during the release.[/QUOTE]

I didn't feel that GameSpot was particularly negative about the Wii during its release. Sure, there was the whole Zelda 8.8 uproar, but I'm a lifelong series fan and even I agreed with much of their assessment.

I took a sample of 10 launch games: Wii Sports, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Excite Truck, Madden NFL 07, Call of Duty 3, Red Steel, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, and Trauma Center: Second Opinion. I averaged their scores at GameSpot, and did the same for IGN's review scores and GameRankings' meta-review percentages.

GameSpot averaged at 7.5, IGN at 7.9, and GameRankings at 7.6.

So it's true that GameSpot's average is the lowest of the three, and at what I might consider a significant (meaning noticeable, not large) amount lower than IGN's average. But I personally find IGN's scoring to be too high anyway, and I usually subtract 0.5 from their individual scores to get an idea of how I might rate a game. Plus GameSpot's average isn't so far removed from that of GameRankings which itself averages out scores from across the board.
 
Just beat Mario Kart (that is, unlocked Extra), and it was just as fun as it ever was. And if you've played MK: DS recently, you'll probably tear the game a new one like I did. ;)

A worthy $10 on the VC if ever there was one.
 
Every reviewer has a different taste and opinion in games. If you don't care for the review one person has given a game then ignore it. Just find a reviewer who has simular tastes in games as you and base your future game purchases on their reviews.

[quote name='Plinko']I find it hilarious how varied the opinions on the Mario Kart series are.

I thought 64 was the best by far, and I just couldn't get into Mario Kart DS. Double Dash was ok, but had nothing that made me come back for more after it was complete.[/quote]

I agree, I loved MK64 and MKDD, but though MKDS was just alright. My friends however really like MKDS and dont care for MKDD so we never play it.
 
So has NOE wised up to folks peeking in on the VC server? Because now that the Segas and SMW weren't released after sitting on the server, I'm wondering if NOE won't start loading things up and leaving them there. Why the hell not, you know?

I follow NOE in wanting to spread out the titles over time, but I don't follow them with the big mystery. Would giving a release schedule at the start of the month for each Monday's releases undermine the "hype" that badly? A little notice would be nice just to help figure out what to spend where.

Yes, I know that NOE wants us to impulse buy everything, but surely they realize this secrecy thing cuts both ways: you've got people out there--ultra-budgeters, mind you--who are saving their original 2000 pts for ChronoTrigger or some other equally improbable release and in the meantime missing out on titles they might otherwise go in for if they had some kind of notion of how things will go down. This isn't a gripe so much as a friendly question.
 
I do think a monthly schedule would help. Then we wouldn't look at a week having only one game release or a couple disappointing ones. Much easier to focus on the whole thing.

Also, I don't think it would undercut the there's-nothing-this-week-so-i'll-pick-up-what-was-posted strategy. A week is a fairly long time, and people will have a better idea of what is or is not coming. That way, instead of just banking points, they may start looking to use them.
 
[quote name='AHEADAMUS']I do think a monthly schedule would help. Then we wouldn't look at a week having only one game release or a couple disappointing ones. Much easier to focus on the whole thing.[/QUOTE]

p'shaw. the week-to-week anticipation is 75% of the fun, hombre. It's like a game show that way - sometimes you win, and sometimes you get "Urban Champion."
 
[quote name='mykevermin']p'shaw. the week-to-week anticipation is 75% of the fun, hombre. It's like a game show that way - sometimes you win, and sometimes you get "Urban Champion."[/QUOTE]

I agree. The whole A Link to the Past potential fiasco was quite fun. Will it be there? Will it not? Will we just get crappy Genesis games? Now that's efun!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']the week-to-week anticipation is 75% of the fun, hombre.[/QUOTE]
The other 25% is the overspill of mirth from the release of Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. Man, was that one hell of a week.
 
For all of you that don't know, or forgot;Streets of Rage 2 is the best game in that series by far! VC is finally starting to look decent.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']Any press releases for games this week, I want to start yelling at Nintendo now because I can't find a fucking points card, lol.[/quote]you do know that you can buy points directly from your Wii, right?
 
[quote name='pop311']you do know that you can buy points directly from your Wii, right?[/quote]Yeah but I don't own a credit card, so I have to buy points from the card.
 
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