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Wow... that was a really long read. While it kinda sucks how his family, girlfriend, his friends, his sponsor, and the girls next to him in his yearbook have been sucked into this public display of humiliation, it's really hard to feel bad for him at all if you've ever been scammed or close to being scammed. I mean, damn, the scammers on CAG had it pretty easy in comparison. The closest thing we ever had was... Cloudspekk?
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That was a scary/interesting read...
I hope I never scam anyone. xD
I hope I never scam anyone. xD
[quote name='judyjudyjudy']Wow... that was a really long read. While it kinda sucks how his family, girlfriend, his friends, his sponsor, and the girls next to him in his yearbook have been sucked into this public display of humiliation, it's really hard to feel bad for him at all if you've ever been scammed or close to being scammed. I mean, damn, the scammers on CAG had it pretty easy in comparison. The closest thing we ever had was... Cloudspekk?[/QUOTE]
That chick off to his left progressed into a hottie
That chick off to his left progressed into a hottie
Wtf. From page 19:
It's 60+ pages. The thing is resolved less than 1/3 of that. Why even keep going? Now it's just a stupid mob mentality of people (probably all nerds...depressed...sexually frustrated nerds...like me!!) being dicks because THE INTERNET LETS THEM BE ANONYMOUS NERDS.
Way to be douchebags and become the same thing you are rallying against you useless
s. Oh, and every last damn one of you use the one finger smiley. Original. Even after the 1,631st time it was used. I'm surprised people aren't writing GIT-R-DONE in each post. 
Still somewhat amusing though. It IS nice to see someone handed their own ass AND jam their head in it.
It's 60+ pages. The thing is resolved less than 1/3 of that. Why even keep going? Now it's just a stupid mob mentality of people (probably all nerds...depressed...sexually frustrated nerds...like me!!) being dicks because THE INTERNET LETS THEM BE ANONYMOUS NERDS.
Way to be douchebags and become the same thing you are rallying against you useless
s. Oh, and every last damn one of you use the one finger smiley. Original. Even after the 1,631st time it was used. I'm surprised people aren't writing GIT-R-DONE in each post. Still somewhat amusing though. It IS nice to see someone handed their own ass AND jam their head in it.
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I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. I've read some of the stuff and this is just out of control. This is what mods are for and, if I was one, I would have deleted any post with personal info and, if that did not work, then the whole topic. You can't just go around posting peoples address, phone number and family photos for everyone to see, it's dangerous. Just as we don't cut off peoples hands for stealing, giving out people ssn can't be allowed either as it's extremely excessive punishment. The guy scammed 25 bucks out of someone and sent used, but working, parts instead of new. For that they give out the guys ssn (which can lead to identity theft and many other things) and put him AND his family at risk by all the other info they give out? Someone should stop this, it's way out of control. I've been scammed out of money myself, but I'd never agree to taking it this far.
It seems some people have some sanity over there (a few particularly direct and vocal denouncements of how things have unfolded), but the mob mentality is still dominant and increasingly dangerous. There are plenty of sick people out there anyway, you have no idea how far some nutcase could take it. And, on page 47, he's already been called with a death threat.
A similar thing happened years ago according to a poster on page 60. I looked it up and he's right. Someone scammed a guy out of money and it spiralled out of control, including the posting of his address online and multiple threats against him. In the end, the kid was sent a bomb in a package and was killed upon opening it. His mother was in serious condition at the time the article was written, I'm not sure if she recovered or if there was any long term damage. You can read it here:http://www.timeswrsw.com/archive/1998/N0321980.HTM, or the wired online one (linked from the pirates site) here http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.12/murder.html, but the wired one is very sketchy and poorly done.
At this point I have more sympathy for the scammer than the one who was scammed. One lost 25 bucks, the other kid has to deal with death threats and having all his families info posted for any nutcase to do whatever he wants with it. I hope my fears are unfounded, but I have some concern that this won't end well.
I don't like the rampant bigotry either, which someone mentioned here.
It seems some people have some sanity over there (a few particularly direct and vocal denouncements of how things have unfolded), but the mob mentality is still dominant and increasingly dangerous. There are plenty of sick people out there anyway, you have no idea how far some nutcase could take it. And, on page 47, he's already been called with a death threat.
A similar thing happened years ago according to a poster on page 60. I looked it up and he's right. Someone scammed a guy out of money and it spiralled out of control, including the posting of his address online and multiple threats against him. In the end, the kid was sent a bomb in a package and was killed upon opening it. His mother was in serious condition at the time the article was written, I'm not sure if she recovered or if there was any long term damage. You can read it here:http://www.timeswrsw.com/archive/1998/N0321980.HTM, or the wired online one (linked from the pirates site) here http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.12/murder.html, but the wired one is very sketchy and poorly done.
At this point I have more sympathy for the scammer than the one who was scammed. One lost 25 bucks, the other kid has to deal with death threats and having all his families info posted for any nutcase to do whatever he wants with it. I hope my fears are unfounded, but I have some concern that this won't end well.
I don't like the rampant bigotry either, which someone mentioned here.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. I've read some of the stuff and this is just out of control. This is what mods are for and, if I was one, I would have deleted any post with personal info and, if that did not work, then the whole topic. You can't just go around posting peoples address, phone number and family photos for everyone to see, it's dangerous. Just as we don't cut off peoples hands for stealing, giving out people ssn can't be allowed either as it's extremely excessive punishment. The guy scammed 25 bucks out of someone and sent used, but working, parts instead of new. For that they give out the guys ssn (which can lead to identity theft and many other things) and put him AND his family at risk by all the other info they give out? Someone should stop this, it's way out of control. I've been scammed out of money myself, but I'd never agree to taking it this far.
It seems some people have some sanity over there (a few particularly direct and vocal denouncements of how things have unfolded), but the mob mentality is still dominant and increasingly dangerous. There are plenty of sick people out there anyway, you have no idea how far some nutcase could take it. And, on page 47, he's already been called with a death threat.
A similar thing happened years ago according to a poster on page 60. I looked it up and he's right. Someone scammed a guy out of money and it spiralled out of control, including the posting of his address online and multiple threats against him. In the end, the kid was sent a bomb in a package and was killed upon opening it. His mother was in serious condition at the time the article was written, I'm not sure if she recovered or if there was any long term damage. You can read it here:http://www.timeswrsw.com/archive/1998/N0321980.HTM, or the wired online one (linked from the pirates site) here http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.12/murder.html, but the wired one is very sketchy and poorly done.
At this point I have more sympathy for the scammer than the one who was scammed. One lost 25 bucks, the other kid has to deal with death threats and having all his families info posted for any nutcase to do whatever he wants with it. I hope my fears are unfounded, but I have some concern that this won't end well.
I don't like the rampant bigotry either, which someone mentioned here.[/QUOTE]
I'm tending to agree. I hope the kid takes some legal action about this, too.
It seems some people have some sanity over there (a few particularly direct and vocal denouncements of how things have unfolded), but the mob mentality is still dominant and increasingly dangerous. There are plenty of sick people out there anyway, you have no idea how far some nutcase could take it. And, on page 47, he's already been called with a death threat.
A similar thing happened years ago according to a poster on page 60. I looked it up and he's right. Someone scammed a guy out of money and it spiralled out of control, including the posting of his address online and multiple threats against him. In the end, the kid was sent a bomb in a package and was killed upon opening it. His mother was in serious condition at the time the article was written, I'm not sure if she recovered or if there was any long term damage. You can read it here:http://www.timeswrsw.com/archive/1998/N0321980.HTM, or the wired online one (linked from the pirates site) here http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.12/murder.html, but the wired one is very sketchy and poorly done.
At this point I have more sympathy for the scammer than the one who was scammed. One lost 25 bucks, the other kid has to deal with death threats and having all his families info posted for any nutcase to do whatever he wants with it. I hope my fears are unfounded, but I have some concern that this won't end well.
I don't like the rampant bigotry either, which someone mentioned here.[/QUOTE]
I'm tending to agree. I hope the kid takes some legal action about this, too.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. I've read some of the stuff and this is just out of control. This is what mods are for and, if I was one, I would have deleted any post with personal info and, if that did not work, then the whole topic. You can't just go around posting peoples address, phone number and family photos for everyone to see, it's dangerous. Just as we don't cut off peoples hands for stealing, giving out people ssn can't be allowed either as it's extremely excessive punishment. The guy scammed 25 bucks out of someone and sent used, but working, parts instead of new. For that they give out the guys ssn (which can lead to identity theft and many other things) and put him AND his family at risk by all the other info they give out? Someone should stop this, it's way out of control. I've been scammed out of money myself, but I'd never agree to taking it this far.
It seems some people have some sanity over there (a few particularly direct and vocal denouncements of how things have unfolded), but the mob mentality is still dominant and increasingly dangerous. There are plenty of sick people out there anyway, you have no idea how far some nutcase could take it. And, on page 47, he's already been called with a death threat.
A similar thing happened years ago according to a poster on page 60. I looked it up and he's right. Someone scammed a guy out of money and it spiralled out of control, including the posting of his address online and multiple threats against him. In the end, the kid was sent a bomb in a package and was killed upon opening it. His mother was in serious condition at the time the article was written, I'm not sure if she recovered or if there was any long term damage. You can read it here:http://www.timeswrsw.com/archive/1998/N0321980.HTM, or the wired online one (linked from the pirates site) here http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.12/murder.html, but the wired one is very sketchy and poorly done.
At this point I have more sympathy for the scammer than the one who was scammed. One lost 25 bucks, the other kid has to deal with death threats and having all his families info posted for any nutcase to do whatever he wants with it. I hope my fears are unfounded, but I have some concern that this won't end well.
I don't like the rampant bigotry either, which someone mentioned here.[/QUOTE]
I agree somewhat. The scammer was dealt with and the the guy got his money back. Some of that is going too damn far though. For one thing, the guy posting his SSN could be held liable if someone would steal the number. I would think that even distributing somoene else's SSN would be illegal.
The scammer is a huge dick, but people got carried away with some of that crap.
It seems some people have some sanity over there (a few particularly direct and vocal denouncements of how things have unfolded), but the mob mentality is still dominant and increasingly dangerous. There are plenty of sick people out there anyway, you have no idea how far some nutcase could take it. And, on page 47, he's already been called with a death threat.
A similar thing happened years ago according to a poster on page 60. I looked it up and he's right. Someone scammed a guy out of money and it spiralled out of control, including the posting of his address online and multiple threats against him. In the end, the kid was sent a bomb in a package and was killed upon opening it. His mother was in serious condition at the time the article was written, I'm not sure if she recovered or if there was any long term damage. You can read it here:http://www.timeswrsw.com/archive/1998/N0321980.HTM, or the wired online one (linked from the pirates site) here http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.12/murder.html, but the wired one is very sketchy and poorly done.
At this point I have more sympathy for the scammer than the one who was scammed. One lost 25 bucks, the other kid has to deal with death threats and having all his families info posted for any nutcase to do whatever he wants with it. I hope my fears are unfounded, but I have some concern that this won't end well.
I don't like the rampant bigotry either, which someone mentioned here.[/QUOTE]
I agree somewhat. The scammer was dealt with and the the guy got his money back. Some of that is going too damn far though. For one thing, the guy posting his SSN could be held liable if someone would steal the number. I would think that even distributing somoene else's SSN would be illegal.
The scammer is a huge dick, but people got carried away with some of that crap.
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I only read about 12 to 15 pages from pages 1 to 23, but it sounds like it isn't over yet. The guy that got ripped wasn't able to cash the MO and he has to wait until monday.
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It also seems like there some other guy named justin who's business label was on charlie's truck or defended charlie or something (two different stories on here it seems). He's getting attacked too, even though he had nothing to do with it. A bunch of people are telling others to back off justin it seems.
I think what happened was fine. Until he resolved evrything (apparently on page 19). From there, it needed to stop. But I only read the first three pages, so I really don't know if there was anything excessive before page 19. But posting any and all info related to the scammer is fair game, imo. He should know better than to mess with folks on the internet. And now he does. He is a low life and brought anything that happens to him upon himself.
His family is a different matter. My oldest brother was into some bad stuff, growing up in Vegas. And it was bad enough that our family was in danger muc of the time, even after he was kicked out of the house. And that definitely is not cool.
But I don't see how anyone can argue in the low life's favor. He did it to himself...
(Although, I personally hope that nothing bad happens to him and he straightens his life out from this ordeal.)
His family is a different matter. My oldest brother was into some bad stuff, growing up in Vegas. And it was bad enough that our family was in danger muc of the time, even after he was kicked out of the house. And that definitely is not cool.
But I don't see how anyone can argue in the low life's favor. He did it to himself...
(Although, I personally hope that nothing bad happens to him and he straightens his life out from this ordeal.)
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See, that's the point with me. Well that and his family. Besides the guy who got killed, it seems like people taking it too far is a recurrent theme when scammers info becomes widely known. The more people who have his info, the more likely some nutcase is to do something. Even if they don't really care, it's an excuse to act. That's why you can't give out personal info. It has nothing to do with being nice to or respecting the scammer, but the fact that it is dangerous to them and the innocent people the scammer knows.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']See, that's the point with me. Well that and his family. Besides the guy who got killed, it seems like people taking it too far is a recurrent theme when scammers info becomes widely known. The more people who have his info, the more likely some nutcase is to do something. Even if they don't really care, it's an excuse to act. That's why you can't give out personal info. It has nothing to do with being nice to or respecting the scammer, but the fact that it is dangerous to them and the innocent people the scammer knows.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but it was all the scammers fault. Had he not scammed the guy in the first place, all that stuff would have never happened. He needs to learn his lesson. It's his fault that it blew up the way that it did. Because he scammed, he should be ready for everything that happens to him. Karma's a bitch.
Yeah, but it was all the scammers fault. Had he not scammed the guy in the first place, all that stuff would have never happened. He needs to learn his lesson. It's his fault that it blew up the way that it did. Because he scammed, he should be ready for everything that happens to him. Karma's a bitch.
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[quote name='chaarlieee']Yeah, but it was all the scammers fault. Had he not scammed the guy in the first place, all that stuff would have never happened. He needs to learn his lesson. It's his fault that it blew up the way that it did. Because he scammed, he should be ready for everything that happens to him. Karma's a bitch.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Being taken for a small amount of money automatically grants one carte blanche to do whatever they want to the offending party. Why, it would only be fair if this scamming gentleman was killed over this. That would teach him.
Yes. Being taken for a small amount of money automatically grants one carte blanche to do whatever they want to the offending party. Why, it would only be fair if this scamming gentleman was killed over this. That would teach him.
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[quote name='chaarlieee']Yeah, but it was all the scammers fault. Had he not scammed the guy in the first place, all that stuff would have never happened. He needs to learn his lesson. It's his fault that it blew up the way that it did. Because he scammed, he should be ready for everything that happens to him. Karma's a bitch.[/QUOTE]
And, hypothetically, what if someone really does something then what? Even ignoring how grossly disproportional the punishment is or the risk to his innocent family, there's another issue. From the looks of it, the guy who got scammed has tried to stop it, saying its gone to far. If someone does do something to this kid, that could take a significant emotional toll on the original victim, since he is the one who started this (that's how I'd feel). It doesn't appear he wants this to continue down this path, as I believe I remember him saying its got out of hand and trying to stop it. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I seem to remember that.
Thinking someone may physically hurt him or his family may seem far fetched, but it's happened before and there's a legitimate chance of it happening again.
And, hypothetically, what if someone really does something then what? Even ignoring how grossly disproportional the punishment is or the risk to his innocent family, there's another issue. From the looks of it, the guy who got scammed has tried to stop it, saying its gone to far. If someone does do something to this kid, that could take a significant emotional toll on the original victim, since he is the one who started this (that's how I'd feel). It doesn't appear he wants this to continue down this path, as I believe I remember him saying its got out of hand and trying to stop it. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I seem to remember that.
Thinking someone may physically hurt him or his family may seem far fetched, but it's happened before and there's a legitimate chance of it happening again.
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The correct course of action would have been taking the kid to small claims court. It's not at all difficult to do. I would have sided completely with the buyer then. Now I hope the kid gets a lawyer who then gets server logs for the site to find out who posted his personal information, and I think hope he takes them to to court over it and wins a bunch of money from them.
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WTF? When did I say he DESERVED all of it? I said it was his FAULT for bringing it to himself. He was responsible for everything coming to him. Never did I say that he deserved for his whole life to be leaked out, or that he deserved to die, because he DIDN'T DESERVE any of that. But if something happens to him, his family, his friends, his dog, that's HIS FAULT. Not that he DESERVES it, but it's HIS FAULT.
That's completely different from what you guys think I'm saying.
That's completely different from what you guys think I'm saying.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']I don't like the rampant bigotry either, which someone mentioned here.[/QUOTE]
LOL - at first when I saw all the rainbow flags, I was thinking that there are alot of gay pride truckers these days. It all seems to be in an Andy Mikolaus 15-year-old use of the term gay though, nothing to get the panties in a twist over.
I read that wired article and I think you make a good point - it's not all just scaring this kid, someone could get physically hurt. At the same time, I know that almost everyone who's traded on the internet has been scammed, and the current punishments (possible banning of an IP if the mods believe the wronged party's side, most of the time the local police do not care...) are not adequate.
The kid in the article was terrible ignorant - it seems like he went out of his way to antagonize others (with his CB rants that drowned out truckers looking for directions). It's like any small-time drug dealer or pimp who finally gets beaten up - most people are naturally going to feel that others are much more worthy of their sympathy.
LOL - at first when I saw all the rainbow flags, I was thinking that there are alot of gay pride truckers these days. It all seems to be in an Andy Mikolaus 15-year-old use of the term gay though, nothing to get the panties in a twist over.
I read that wired article and I think you make a good point - it's not all just scaring this kid, someone could get physically hurt. At the same time, I know that almost everyone who's traded on the internet has been scammed, and the current punishments (possible banning of an IP if the mods believe the wronged party's side, most of the time the local police do not care...) are not adequate.
The kid in the article was terrible ignorant - it seems like he went out of his way to antagonize others (with his CB rants that drowned out truckers looking for directions). It's like any small-time drug dealer or pimp who finally gets beaten up - most people are naturally going to feel that others are much more worthy of their sympathy.
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[quote name='chaarlieee']WTF? When did I say he DESERVED all of it? I said it was his FAULT for bringing it to himself. He was responsible for everything coming to him. Never did I say that he deserved for his whole life to be leaked out, or that he deserved to die, because he DIDN'T DESERVE any of that. But if something happens to him, his family, his friends, his dog, that's HIS FAULT. Not that he DESERVES it, but it's HIS FAULT.
That's completely different from what you guys think I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
Question: what section of the law of the United States do you think should have prepared him for this vigilantism instead of involvement of official authorities?
That's completely different from what you guys think I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
Question: what section of the law of the United States do you think should have prepared him for this vigilantism instead of involvement of official authorities?
I don't think any of you read the whole thread. The amount is $125 dollars and its not even close to $25. Secondly, it has not been resolved. He sent a money order from Western Union and he stated with links that it takes "one month for the CHECK TO CLEAR." Read again and read carefully. The scammer hasn't gave up yet and it just got started.
I pretty much skimmed through it after getting up to page 25.
I pretty much skimmed through it after getting up to page 25.
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The kid in the article was terrible ignorant - it seems like he went out of his way to antagonize others (with his CB rants that drowned out truckers looking for directions). It's like any small-time drug dealer or pimp who finally gets beaten up - most people are naturally going to feel that others are much more worthy of their sympathy.[/QUOTE]
That kid did go out of his way to antagonize, instead of just responding like an idiot when he should respond anyway. But, I think simply the scale of whats going on makes up for that. People are accusing him of bragging about the scam originally anyway, but it's as if he's taking the heat for every time these people have been scammed.
He sold working used parts as new. He stated he wanted $100 then, when he recieved payment, he said it was a mistake and that he wanted 125.
Saying it's just 25 bucks is not to justify it or say it was meaningless, but to step back and question whether the punishment really fits the crime.
The kid in the article was terrible ignorant - it seems like he went out of his way to antagonize others (with his CB rants that drowned out truckers looking for directions). It's like any small-time drug dealer or pimp who finally gets beaten up - most people are naturally going to feel that others are much more worthy of their sympathy.[/QUOTE]
That kid did go out of his way to antagonize, instead of just responding like an idiot when he should respond anyway. But, I think simply the scale of whats going on makes up for that. People are accusing him of bragging about the scam originally anyway, but it's as if he's taking the heat for every time these people have been scammed.
He sold working used parts as new. He stated he wanted $100 then, when he recieved payment, he said it was a mistake and that he wanted 125.
Saying it's just 25 bucks is not to justify it or say it was meaningless, but to step back and question whether the punishment really fits the crime.
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[quote name='jmcc']The correct course of action would have been taking the kid to small claims court. It's not at all difficult to do. I would have sided completely with the buyer then. Now I hope the kid gets a lawyer who then gets server logs for the site to find out who posted his personal information, and I think hope he takes them to to court over it and wins a bunch of money from them.[/QUOTE]
That would piss me off to no end, but it would be just like today's sue-happy America. Let's reward scam artists and rampant ignorance of internet etiquette with big cash settlements!
Not everyone has time to go to small claims court over $25, some of us have jobs and responsibilities. I see no problem with someone who got ripped off posting a warning against trading with the bad party, and I fully side with MochaMike.
It was others on the site who may have crossed a line.
That would piss me off to no end, but it would be just like today's sue-happy America. Let's reward scam artists and rampant ignorance of internet etiquette with big cash settlements!
Not everyone has time to go to small claims court over $25, some of us have jobs and responsibilities. I see no problem with someone who got ripped off posting a warning against trading with the bad party, and I fully side with MochaMike.
It was others on the site who may have crossed a line.
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[quote name='jmcc']Question: what section of the law of the United States do you think should have prepared him for this vigilantism instead of involvement of official authorities?[/QUOTE]
Please, don't give me that. Never take anything for granted in this world, because anything is possible, no matter how cruel and unusual it may be.
If it happens to be this form of embarassment like it was for the scammer, it's just too bad. He brought all of this upon him. Who knew it would blow up to something like that?!
Did I say he had to be PREPARED for what's happened to him so far? No.. I said he was RESPONSIBLE for everything that's happened so far and that it was HIS FAULT that it's all happened. Like I said, who knew it would blow up into what it's turned into? I don't think anyone would have expected it.
You don't understand the simple concept that it's his fault that this was brought upon himself?
Please, don't give me that. Never take anything for granted in this world, because anything is possible, no matter how cruel and unusual it may be.
If it happens to be this form of embarassment like it was for the scammer, it's just too bad. He brought all of this upon him. Who knew it would blow up to something like that?!
Did I say he had to be PREPARED for what's happened to him so far? No.. I said he was RESPONSIBLE for everything that's happened so far and that it was HIS FAULT that it's all happened. Like I said, who knew it would blow up into what it's turned into? I don't think anyone would have expected it.
You don't understand the simple concept that it's his fault that this was brought upon himself?
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People post this stuff thinking they'll get complete sympathy and show how big their E-cock is. The guy who got scammed is obviously more of a dickhead than the actual scammer. There are responsible ways of getting money back but the buyer has some kind of horrible power complex and an unhealthy appetite for revenge...think about it: $25. that's all i gotta say about that.
Imagine the buyer as the guy in Old Boy. :lol:
Imagine the buyer as the guy in Old Boy. :lol:
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']People are accusing him of bragging about the scam originally anyway, but it's as if he's taking the heat for every time these people have been scammed.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, he's the scape goat and mob mentality is taking over. Yet taking out the death threats, posting of the SSN, and involvement of family members, I am not sure whether what has been done to this point is morally wrong.
Exactly, he's the scape goat and mob mentality is taking over. Yet taking out the death threats, posting of the SSN, and involvement of family members, I am not sure whether what has been done to this point is morally wrong.
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[quote name='camoor']That would piss me off to no end, but it would be just like today's sue-happy America. Let's reward scam artists and rampant ignorance of internet etiquette with big cash settlements![/quote]
You reward people who are wronged. The buyer should get his money back. The scammer should get compensated for any and all trouble the buyer's nutty crusade cost.
[quote name='camoor']Not everyone has time to go to small claims court over $25, some of us have jobs and responsibilities. I see no problem with someone who got ripped off posting a warning against trading with the bad party, and I fully side with MochaMike.[/QUOTE]
If that's all that had happened, Mike would be in the clear. But it's not. He wrangled up a digital lynch-mob and set them on the seller. And if you don't have time to follow proper channels, that doesn't automatically mean you can work outside them. If small claims court is too time intensive for you (though you would have had to go for about 10 minutes with the other party not showing up before you'd win by default) filing a mail fraud case would be easier still.
You reward people who are wronged. The buyer should get his money back. The scammer should get compensated for any and all trouble the buyer's nutty crusade cost.
[quote name='camoor']Not everyone has time to go to small claims court over $25, some of us have jobs and responsibilities. I see no problem with someone who got ripped off posting a warning against trading with the bad party, and I fully side with MochaMike.[/QUOTE]
If that's all that had happened, Mike would be in the clear. But it's not. He wrangled up a digital lynch-mob and set them on the seller. And if you don't have time to follow proper channels, that doesn't automatically mean you can work outside them. If small claims court is too time intensive for you (though you would have had to go for about 10 minutes with the other party not showing up before you'd win by default) filing a mail fraud case would be easier still.
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[quote name='chaarlieee']Please, don't give me that. Never take anything for granted in this world, because anything is possible, no matter how cruel and unusual it may be.
If it happens to be this form of embarassment like it was for the scammer, it's just too bad. He brought all of this upon him. Who knew it would blow up to something like that?!
Did I say he had to be PREPARED for what's happened to him so far? No.. I said he was RESPONSIBLE for everything that's happened so far and that it was HIS FAULT that it's all happened. Like I said, who knew it would blow up into what it's turned into? I don't think anyone would have expected it.
You don't understand the simple concept that it's his fault that this was brought upon himself?[/QUOTE]
So no law cite then? I see you've changed your "I didn't say he deserved it!" line now, too. Good work. Now go to TV Guide's page and have them send you alerts whenever Death Wish movies come up so you can always have lotion and some tissue ready to go.
If it happens to be this form of embarassment like it was for the scammer, it's just too bad. He brought all of this upon him. Who knew it would blow up to something like that?!
Did I say he had to be PREPARED for what's happened to him so far? No.. I said he was RESPONSIBLE for everything that's happened so far and that it was HIS FAULT that it's all happened. Like I said, who knew it would blow up into what it's turned into? I don't think anyone would have expected it.
You don't understand the simple concept that it's his fault that this was brought upon himself?[/QUOTE]
So no law cite then? I see you've changed your "I didn't say he deserved it!" line now, too. Good work. Now go to TV Guide's page and have them send you alerts whenever Death Wish movies come up so you can always have lotion and some tissue ready to go.
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[quote name='jmcc']So no law cite then? I see you've changed your "I didn't say he deserved it!" line now, too. Good work. Now go to TV Guide's page and have them send you alerts whenever Death Wish movies come up so you can always have lotion and some tissue ready to go.[/QUOTE]
How you turned: "it's his fault that this was brought upon himself" into "he deserved it" is beyond me. I'm done talking to you. Please, just don't respond to this post you friggin genius, you.
How you turned: "it's his fault that this was brought upon himself" into "he deserved it" is beyond me. I'm done talking to you. Please, just don't respond to this post you friggin genius, you.
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[quote name='greendj27']I agree somewhat. The scammer was dealt with and the the guy got his money back. Some of that is going too damn far though. For one thing, the guy posting his SSN could be held liable if someone would steal the number. I would think that even distributing somoene else's SSN would be illegal. [/QUOTE]
You are correct:
In California, Senate Bill 168 was signed into law in October 2001. The bill gives individuals the ability to request that a "security alert" be placed on their credit record via a toll-free phone number. The bill also enables Californians to request a "security freeze" that prevents credit agencies from releasing personal information from an individual's credit report. The bill places important restrictions on use of the SSN—public posting of a SSN and printing the SSN on an identity card or document used to obtain a product or service is prohibited. Businesses that use the SSN to identify customers, such as utility companies, will no longer be permitted to print the SSN on invoices or bills sent through the mail.
You are correct:
In California, Senate Bill 168 was signed into law in October 2001. The bill gives individuals the ability to request that a "security alert" be placed on their credit record via a toll-free phone number. The bill also enables Californians to request a "security freeze" that prevents credit agencies from releasing personal information from an individual's credit report. The bill places important restrictions on use of the SSN—public posting of a SSN and printing the SSN on an identity card or document used to obtain a product or service is prohibited. Businesses that use the SSN to identify customers, such as utility companies, will no longer be permitted to print the SSN on invoices or bills sent through the mail.
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[quote name='camoor']Exactly, he's the scape goat and mob mentality is taking over. Yet taking out the death threats, posting of the SSN, and involvement of family members, I am not sure whether what has been done to this point is morally wrong.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's the whole point here. Also, you should add address since his family became involved the moment his address was given out.
Well, that's the whole point here. Also, you should add address since his family became involved the moment his address was given out.
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[quote name='jmcc']You reward people who are wronged. The buyer should get his money back. The scammer should get compensated for any and all trouble the buyer's nutty crusade cost.[/QUOTE]
It's now a crime to post on the internet that you got cheated on a deal? Can you point me to this law, this is unbelievable and if true I'm going to write to my congressman.
As for the shitstorm coming down on the scammer, all I have to say is
He certainly deserves more of a punishment then just 'paying back what he attempted to defraud'. Around here if you attempt to steal $25 or defraud a customer with illegal business practices, your punishment ranges from large fines to jail time.
Just so you know - I once had a rock thrown threw my window. They caught the kids throwing the rocks on the overpass, we got a court settlement whereby they were supposed to pay us back the money, and never saw a dime. So forgive me if I throw doubt on your ultimate confidence in the legal system righting wronged parties. The people who really profit from the legal system are the scammers and their lawyers, who know how to use it to win jackpot settlements.
EDIT: Holy crap I didn't realize Eddie Guerro died. RIP
It's now a crime to post on the internet that you got cheated on a deal? Can you point me to this law, this is unbelievable and if true I'm going to write to my congressman.
As for the shitstorm coming down on the scammer, all I have to say is
He certainly deserves more of a punishment then just 'paying back what he attempted to defraud'. Around here if you attempt to steal $25 or defraud a customer with illegal business practices, your punishment ranges from large fines to jail time.
Just so you know - I once had a rock thrown threw my window. They caught the kids throwing the rocks on the overpass, we got a court settlement whereby they were supposed to pay us back the money, and never saw a dime. So forgive me if I throw doubt on your ultimate confidence in the legal system righting wronged parties. The people who really profit from the legal system are the scammers and their lawyers, who know how to use it to win jackpot settlements.
EDIT: Holy crap I didn't realize Eddie Guerro died. RIP
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