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[quote name='Soodmeg']Ok I am not an animal rights guy or anything like that. But I really dont understand this.

I dont understand how people....and by people I mean rich people looked down their noses at Michael Vick screaming, "What the hell is going on in the ghettos of America?" Excuse us while we raise this horse for the sole reason to force it to race and if it gets hurt.....we are just going to kill it. Not even in a back room....we are just going to shoot this motherfucker in front of 20 thousand people. Dont worry, its not worth being alive unless its making us money.

Because you know...it cost more money to nurse it back to health and let it go.

The hypocrisy of America is sometimes overwhelming. So I am just going to assume their going to kill big brown at some point.[/QUOTE]

There are some unsavory elements to horse racing but it's not to the level of an illegal dog fighting ring. Plus though horses are loved by many, dogs are loved by many more.

On the Vick thing - I can easily see him making a complete comeback if he still has the football chops out of prison. America loves 2nd chances/redemption stories.
 
It seems marten doesn't have the kind of money he has professed to have in the past. I mean, the guy is cryin' about buyin' a boat for someone special. I mean, c'mon, I thought you had boat monies but I was misled.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']It seems marten doesn't have the kind of money he has professed to have in the past. I mean, the guy is cryin' about buyin' a boat for someone special. I mean, c'mon, I thought you had boat monies but I was misled.[/quote]

You're buying the gas. Have you seen the boat she wants?

That ain't a boat. It's like an island with a motor.
 
[quote name='wubb']There are some unsavory elements to horse racing but it's not to the level of an illegal dog fighting ring. Plus though horses are loved by many, dogs are loved by many more.

On the Vick thing - I can easily see him making a complete comeback if he still has the football chops out of prison. America loves 2nd chances/redemption stories.[/quote]

I think you are completely and utter wrong. I hate both. Dog fighting is horse racing. There is no difference. You can pamper the hell out of the horse/dog but when the race/fight starts the exact same thing happens.

I would love for you to tell how it isnt the same.

Quote.

"Essentially the only difference between horse racing and dog fighting is that the exploitation of horses by white people for profit is acceptable and the exploitation of dogs by black people for profit is unacceptable. Both are dirty, corrupt, and unrepenant sports that kill its athletes on a fairly regular basis."

http://thunewatch.squarespace.com/sdwatch/2008/5/6/time-to-euthanize-horse-racing.html


 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Ok I am not an animal rights guy or anything like that. But I really dont understand this.

I dont understand how people....and by people I mean rich people looked down their noses at Michael Vick screaming, "What the hell is going on in the ghettos of America?" Excuse us while we raise this horse for the sole reason to force it to race and if it gets hurt.....we are just going to kill it. Not even in a back room....we are just going to shoot this motherfucker in front of 20 thousand people. Dont worry, its not worth being alive unless its making us money.

Because you know...it cost more money to nurse it back to health and let it go.

The hypocrisy of America is sometimes overwhelming. So I am just going to assume their going to kill big brown at some point.[/quote]
:rofl:
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']Buy gas? I never said anything about keeping it fueled up. You better throw in some oars.[/quote]

What about the slave labor? Someone needs to man the oars.

Not me! :lol:
 
A lot of times there is nothing you can do for an injured horse. The expected outcome of dog fighting is that one dog will kill the other. The expected outcome of horse racing is that one horse will win a race. I don't really see any similarities.
 
Everyone should watch the Day of the Dead remake. Its fucking sweet.

Zombies that can walk on walls for the sole purpose of one scene is just great directing.
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']A lot of times there is nothing you can do for an injured horse. The expected outcome of dog fighting is that one dog will kill the other. The expected outcome of horse racing is that one horse will win a race. I don't really see any similarities.[/quote]

So your logic is this.


Your sport has slightly more deaths than ours. After all only 154 horses were killed in the 04-05 season. Many more dogs would have died right? Right?
 
A big difference is that horse racing is legal. But that should probably be set aside for this discussion.

I don't really know enough about horse racing to have a real opinion on it but aren't the horses fairly well cared for outside of being bred and trained solely to race? It has to be at least as humane as the way chickens are raised for food.

Dogs raised to fight are dangerous to people if they get out.

Rich white people used to love bear baiting (and probably dog fighting) but it was outlawed as a bloody spectacle.

Just seems like the sole purpose of running a dog fight is to see how badly one dog can hurt or kill another. That's just simply not the case with horse racing.

I'm not much of a horse racing fan and like I said I don't have much knowledge of the sport outside of watching the big races on TV.
 
Zombie love story? This movie is just full of win.

A zombie hearing directions over the radio proceeds to hide the corpse that he is eating...jump on the wall and wait for his next victim. After killing it with a female zombie the 2 zombies fall in love with each other on their way to kill more people.


How did this movie not get an Oscar.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']So your logic is this.


Your sport has slightly more deaths than ours. After all only 154 horses were killed in the 04-05 season. Many more dogs would have died right? Right?[/quote]
:rofl: x 20

SLIGHTLY?! :rofl:
You realize THOUSANDS of dogs are cruelly made to cut and bite each other up right?



The objective in horse racing isn't to kill the horse.
Horses are bred and fine tuned to do what they've done their entire existance, to simply run.

In Texas at least, 15 out of a 1000 horses are killed or seriously injured.
It's as much as risk as when people die during accidents in various sports.

In dog fighting, every animal is a loser. They either die, cruelly shred to pieces in a fight, or killed when their short-lived fighting "career" is over. I think good ol' Vick liked to electrocute and hang them to death right?
They can never be a normal dog.
 
And what is this "your sport" and "our sport"?

Your sport is dog fighting??
Haha!
Man, this is hilarious, I needed this after that 4 hour meeting.
 
[quote name='dallow']And what is this "your sport" and "our sport"?

Your sport is dog fighting??
Haha!
Man, this is hilarious, I needed this after that 4 hour meeting.[/quote]

I found that odd as well...are you saying that you participate in dog fighting soodmeg?
 
NOT TO MENTION the unsavory aspects such as children being exposed to it, the drugs and crime surrounding it, and the effect on communities as a whole.

STFU soodmeg.
Stop thinking you're being oppressed everywhere you go.
 
[quote name='dallow']And what is this "your sport" and "our sport"?

Your sport is dog fighting??
Haha!
Man, this is hilarious, I needed this after that 4 hour meeting.[/quote]

Dallow. Calm down dude. Your going over the line here. Stop attacking me in the flame war type way. I am not trying to fight you on this.

Actually I dont see it any other way. Your racing the horse to death. Maybe were focusing on different things here. For one I dont think you can get stats on dog fighting but the fact of the matter is that at the end of the day your still killing both animals.

I dont see how just saying...we dont expect them to die is justifying the fact that the horse die all the time. Its just confusing to me.

As wubb said. The only difference I see is that one is illegal and the other is not. They both make money by exploiting animals in a way that its very common for both to die. But I think you guys are not realizing that the same thing that happens in dog figthing happens in horse racing. Just because a famous person hasnt gotten caught beating a horse or shocking a horse with a cattle rod doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
 
For one I dont think you can get stats on dog fighting but the fact of the matter is that at the end of the day your still killing both animals.
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Yeah you can, they're called crime statistics.

You're aren't racing the horses to death, that is what horses naturally do.
The great majority of the horses retire to relaxing lives when they're done racing.

Every fighting dog is killed or euthanized.
 
[quote name='Pancake Rabbit']I know this is the internet but I still can't believe someone is defending dog fighting.[/quote]

Ugh. Just stop.

I never endorsed dog fighting. In fact in my post it says I hate both.

I simply dont see a difference in dog fighting and in horse racing. I think they both should be illegal because they result in the deaths of tons of animals for entertainment and money.

Thats it.

I hate when you guys try to make everything into a flame war. I really dont see why you guys have to do that almost every single time. I know its the OTT and we mostly just shoot the shit around here. But seriously just because someone says something a little more than a lilboo joke doesnt mean you should turn it into a flame war.

That happens so much in the OTT. I am not trying to fight any of you guys. As I havent attacked anyone of you. Yet 3 of you have already taken swipes at me.

Calm it down. God damn.
 
[quote name='dallow']The great majority of the horses retire to relaxing lives when they're done racing.
[/quote]

Shit, all they have to do is run a lot, then they get fuck every mare in existence. I'd take the small risk of dying for that.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']But I think you guys are not realizing that the same thing that happens in dog figthing happens in horse racing. Just because a famous person hasnt gotten caught beating a horse or shocking a horse with a cattle rod doesnt mean it doesnt happen.[/quote]

That's not part of horse racing though, that's something different altogether.
 
[quote name='dallow']Why did you call it "our sport", I'm curious.[/quote]

I dont even remember calling it your sport.

I said Rich people. Then quoted a guy who said it was a black white thing.

Show where I said your people.

EDIT: But since the more this goes on the more my actually point/thought/question will get lost in the "Soodmeg at it again" lets just end it here.
 
[quote name='soodmeg']
So your logic is this.


Your sport has slightly more deaths than ours. After all only 154 horses were killed in the 04-05 season. Many more dogs would have died right? Right?
[/quote]There you go.
I got upset because you called it "ours", as in your dog fighting sport.
That shit is sick.
 
I wouldn't say dogfighting and horse racing are comparable in terms of cruelty, but I do think bullfighting and dogfighting are just as bad.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Bear Baiting? never heard of that...what is it?[/QUOTE]

A bear is chained up and a series of dogs were set on it. Bets would be made as to how many dogs would be needed before the bear went down. At least I believe that's the gist.
 
Damn phone hasn't shipped yet.
I think AT&T lied about it shipping yesterday since after today's call, this lady said she had no clue as to when it would ship because of 'technical difficulties'.
I'm just gonna forget about it and let it come when it comes.
 
[quote name='dallow']There you go.
I got upset because you called it "ours", as in your dog fighting sport.
That shit is sick.[/quote]

That was referring to the sports man. I was talking in the first person via dog fighting.......if that makes sense.

I wasnt taking ownership of dog fighting. Replace ours and yours with this and that.



But in all seriousness. I think I am tired of being the "Hot button guy." I am kinda sick of the fact that every time I say anything above a GTA joke 5 people randomly turn on me and then I have to defend myself against half the OTT.

I foolishly kept trying to battle against people like Brak and Goomj or whatever his name is along with other always resulting in a ban for me. And I have notice that....there are like 5 guys here that no matter what they post will have a core group of battle ready guys ready to start a huge war.

Hmmmm. Off to finish my movie. Cya.
 
Its not that hes trying to turn it into a flame war... you're just being ignorant about it. Dog fighting and horse racing are two different things. Horses aren't out for blood, horses aren't beat (maybe for discipline, not to be vicious) and raised to kill.

Your argument is stupid and you should just drop it.
 
[quote name='wubb']A bear is chained up and a series of dogs were set on it. Bets would be made as to how many dogs would be needed before the bear went down. At least I believe that's the gist.[/quote]

Yeesh...humans are sick bastards.

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Soodmeg, the only reason why you got people against you on this one is because of the "our sport", "your sport" comments. You pretty much made it a racial thing at that point.

EDIT: and what TFN said...
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yeesh...humans are sick bastards.

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Soodmeg, the only reason why you got people against you on this one is because of the "our sport", "your sport" comments. You pretty much made it a racial thing at that point.

EDIT: and what TFN said...[/quote]

It was racial before that, back when he said dog fighting was illegal because people were black, while horse racing is legal because it's a rich white man's sport.
 
[quote name='tiredfornow']Its not that hes trying to turn it into a flame war... you're just being ignorant about it. Dog fighting and horse racing are two different things. Horses aren't out for blood, horses aren't beat (maybe for discipline, not to be vicious) and raised to kill.

Your argument is stupid and you should just drop it.[/quote]

Well thats the thing. Thats an opinion not a fact. I view them as the same thing. The fact that I view them that way doesnt make it a stupid argument.

Just beacuse you dont think they are on the same level doesnt mean I cant think the opposite.

I will drop it for the sole fact that you guys are being fucking dumb about it but not beacuse I think I am wrong.
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']It was racial before that, back when he said dog fighting was illegal because people were black, while horse racing is legal because it's a rich white man's sport.[/quote]

I guess I missed that part...there you go Soodmeg, now you know why everyone got upset.
 
That was the worst Sood- nickname, ever.

EDIT: Whoa, you just dug yourself a big hole. I bet you think its wrong when people put turtles in boxes and set them in the middle of a circle to see who can make it to the outer end, right?
 
[quote name='SneakyPenguin']It was racial before that, back when he said dog fighting was illegal because people were black, while horse racing is legal because it's a rich white man's sport.[/quote]

See I never said that you fucking idiot.

You guys barely fucking read any post before you go off on tiffs and attack people. Then because you have a different opinion you think thats enough for you to be right and that the other person to be wrong.

Then you call them ignorant which seems to be the OTT go to insult for winning a your point say a couple jokes and sit back and bask in the fact that you got 3 other idiots on your side so you think you won something.

Yeah fuck off.
 
You should have brought this up closer to post #500 and you would have had a good shot at a Sood themed next OTT. I have much to teach you Soodmeg.
 
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